Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice THREAD

[verslibre]

"Keep it up ahole"? Really? You can dish it out, but you can't take it. Start rolling those pennies, dude. You can get free paper coin rolls at the bank. Just ask for them.

[The_Noble_Cause]

"Keep it up ahole"? Really? You can dish it out, but you can't take it. Start rolling those pennies, dude. You can get free paper coin rolls at the bank. Just ask for them.

Sorry. You're being a delusional dickhead. As of this date, there is no MOS sequel. Just hype and fanboy nocturnal secretions. Better put in some overtime at the Pizza Hut, because I WILL take your ass to small claims court and leave you with nothing but a box spring and a tube of anal-eeze.

[verslibre]

"Keep it up ahole"? Really? You can dish it out, but you can't take it. Start rolling those pennies, dude. You can get free paper coin rolls at the bank. Just ask for them.

Sorry. You're being a delusional dickhead. As of this date, there is no MOS sequel. Just hype and fanboy nocturnal secretions. Better put in some overtime at the Pizza Hut, because I WILL take your ass to small claims court and leave you with nothing but a box spring and a tube of anal-eeze.

If WB officially announces it (sooner than later), it's going to happen. It's not not going to happen after BvS. Shit-talk won't change that. When isn't as much of an issue as you think, whether it's 2018 or 2028. WB is shifting into gear with their cinematic DCU. Rumors of actors up for various roles have been swirling all year, swirling like coils of hot vanilla on some botox-lipped platinum blonde in the adult VHS/DVD section behind the bead curtain at the video rental shop you work at.

[The_Noble_Cause]

If WB officially announces it (sooner than later), it's going to happen. It's not not going to happen after BvS. Shit-talk won't change that. When isn't as much of an issue as you think, whether it's 2018 or 2028. WB is shifting into gear with their cinematic DCU. Rumors of actors up for various roles have been swirling all year, swirling like coils of hot vanilla on some botox-lipped platinum blonde in the adult VHS/DVD section behind the bead curtain at the video rental shop you work at.

Uh-huh. And if Perry agrees to tour in support of Trial by Fire, then it's a done deal, rite? You are either extremely naive or blinded by virginal geek optimism. A press release don't mean shit, fool. Especially in Hollywood where broken promises line the streets like chewed gum. If a sequel was a foregone certainty, it would be the next film on the WB calendar. Instead of "The Batman Movie w/ a special guest cameo by some fag in tights." Get a clue and get ready to kiss my all-knowing ass.

[RedWingFan]

they completely screw the pooch with Shazaam and Sandman, I could see WB pulling the plug before they even get to MOS2.

I don't think Shazam is going to be a part of the DCUniverse and may be an entirely different franchise and entity so his franchise should and probably won't have any barring on MoS2 or future DC properties within' that Justice League universe.

If Shazam and then Sandman (whoever the hell that is) both bomb, you don't think that'll make the execs at WB week in the knees....like oh, Green Lantern did? If that happens I see that DC universe forecast changing. If you don't, you are kidding yourself. They're suits. They're not gonna throw good money down a toilet in box office bombs. Sony is going through this now after throwing out Raimi and ruining Spider-man. Not sure if they're gonna follow up the sub-par ASM2. http://www.joblo.com/movie-news/has-the ... eHg3Q7S.99

[RedWingFan]

If WB officially announces it (sooner than later), it's going to happen. It's not not going to happen after BvS. Shit-talk won't change that. When isn't as much of an issue as you think, whether it's 2018 or 2028. WB is shifting into gear with their cinematic DCU. Rumors of actors up for various roles have been swirling all year, swirling like coils of hot vanilla on some botox-lipped platinum blonde in the adult VHS/DVD section behind the bead curtain at the video rental shop you work at.

Uh-huh. And if Perry agrees to tour in support of Trial by Fire, then it's a done deal, rite? You are either extremely naive or blinded by virginal geek optimism. A press release don't mean shit, fool. Especially in Hollywood where broken promises line the streets like chewed gum. If a sequel was a foregone certainty, it would be the next film on the WB calendar. Instead of "The Batman Movie w/ a special guest cameo by some fag in tights." Get a clue and get ready to kiss my all-knowing ass.

Exactly. They want to make sure they're well in the black before risking MOS2. Iron Man was enough to secure IM2.

[verslibre]

If WB officially announces it (sooner than later), it's going to happen. It's not not going to happen after BvS. Shit-talk won't change that. When isn't as much of an issue as you think, whether it's 2018 or 2028. WB is shifting into gear with their cinematic DCU. Rumors of actors up for various roles have been swirling all year, swirling like coils of hot vanilla on some botox-lipped platinum blonde in the adult VHS/DVD section behind the bead curtain at the video rental shop you work at.

Uh-huh. And if Perry agrees to tour in support of Trial by Fire, then it's a done deal, rite? You are either extremely naive or blinded by virginal geek optimism. A press release don't mean shit, fool. Especially in Hollywood where broken promises line the streets like chewed gum. If a sequel was a foregone certainty, it would be the next film on the WB calendar. Instead of "The Batman Movie w/ a special guest cameo by some fag in tights." Get a clue and get ready to kiss my all-knowing ass.

Exactly. They want to make sure they're well in the black before risking MOS2. Iron Man was enough to secure IM2.

Iron Man 2's success = RDJ. The movie wasn't that great. IM3 crossed the billion dollar line thanks to Avengers.

It will be interesting to see how the next actor does post-reboot, since general audiences like RDJ's Stark (who is rather unlike the Stark of the comic).

[verslibre]

If WB officially announces it (sooner than later), it's going to happen. It's not not going to happen after BvS. Shit-talk won't change that. When isn't as much of an issue as you think, whether it's 2018 or 2028. WB is shifting into gear with their cinematic DCU. Rumors of actors up for various roles have been swirling all year, swirling like coils of hot vanilla on some botox-lipped platinum blonde in the adult VHS/DVD section behind the bead curtain at the video rental shop you work at.

Uh-huh. And if Perry agrees to tour in support of Trial by Fire, then it's a done deal, rite? You are either extremely naive or blinded by virginal geek optimism. A press release don't mean shit, fool. Especially in Hollywood where broken promises line the streets like chewed gum. If a sequel was a foregone certainty, it would be the next film on the WB calendar. Instead of "The Batman Movie w/ a special guest cameo by some fag in tights." Get a clue and get ready to kiss my all-knowing ass.

The hatorade is palpable. "All-knowing," huh? Haha.

Judging by what you've written so far, it appears this bet of yours is a "Gumby bet."

Basically, the ONLY way you lose, is if another solo Superman film is shipped to theaters with an official release date and the title posted on the marquee (the words Man of Steel do not necessarily need to be part of the title, either).

The ONLY way we lose, is if WB completely reboots Superman (again), without Cavill, and the entire universe they're currently shaping is swept aside wholly. The way things are gearing up...this is unlikely, to say the very least.

You realize, while the bettor at the blackjack table always feels lucky, the House always has the advantage, right?

[verslibre]

If Shazam and then Sandman (whoever the hell that is) both bomb

People love Neil Gaiman. If the movie is faithfully adapted, the only way it'll bomb is because the subject matter is above Joe Average Moviegoer's head.

If that's the case, they just won't make another Sandman movie.

Also, Guillermo del Toro's Justice League Dark table is still in development. It's going slowly, but he's assembling it.

[verslibre]

Marvel vs DC....I think Marvel is kicking DC's ass for a couple simple reasons. Marvel had an awesome long term vision and a plan...and executed it almost flawlessly

Here's the thing. Marvel Studios banks on nothing but Marvel characters and can focus on 10 movies a year because all of their success's hinges on NOTHING but Marvel movies. Hence "MARVEL STUDIOS."

WB is a much wider business that doesn't need to sorely rely on superhero movies to gain their profit. They do all types of movies and don't need to put all their bread and butter into one genre. They were always the ones tiptoeing over their properties, true, and seemed hesitant to expand on the properties of their DC licensed characters.

Since the late 90's/early 2000's, WB ALWAYS wanted to put out a Batman Vs Superman movie AND had a few projects fall through with the Justice League.

Both franchise's were greenlights at one point but due to all kinds of things like lawsuits and what-not, it never came to fruition.

Before Marvel, WB ALWAYS had the idea first to do a shared cinematic universe with Justice League, but Marvel Studios beat them to the punch with a more clear path on the issue without having to worry about baggage. And hey, kudos to them but things are finally changing with WB with their vision.

Getting back to this, it reminds me of the animated Flash movie Kevin Smith talks about in one of his Fatman on Batman podcasts.

WB/DC focused a lot on animation, more so than Marvel, and there are great ideas in those films that would translate to live action exceedingly well.

I forget the title, but in the movie (did you watch it, by any chance?), Flash utilizes his "force power" (a derivative of his superspeed based on atomic vibrations) to pursue Professor Zoom into an alternate reality. There, he gets picked up (captured) by...you guessed it, Batman.

But wait. Batman isn't here to just sell the movie. This is not Bruce Wayne...it's Thomas Wayne. He's essentially Batman-meets-Punisher, and he's a gun-toter. In this reality, young Bruce was killed instead of his parents. Hence, Thomas Wayne is driven to become a vigilante who operates well above the limits of the law.

Kevin gave away the ending (which I won't reveal), but it would have made a killer live action film had they done it that way instead of bringing him in with a series, like Green Arrow.

There's also the Justice League movie which ends with a great defeat for Darkseid.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Also, Guillermo del Toro's Justice League Dark table is still in development. It's going slowly, but he's assembling it.

Another film unlikely to happen. How many projects has Del Toro worked on or talked about it, only to abandon? Hobbit, Disney Haunted House reboot, Wind in the Willows, Pinocchio, Frankenstein....guy is mostly all talk.

[The_Noble_Cause]

The ONLY way we lose, is if WB completely reboots Superman (again), without Cavill, and the entire universe they're currently shaping is swept aside wholly. The way things are gearing up...this is unlikely, to say the very least.

Umm, yea, ok. Or how about WB simply doesn't make the film? Are you still waiting for Ang Lee to film a Hulk sequel too? MOS has the stench of lukewarm success all around it.

[verslibre]

The ONLY way we lose, is if WB completely reboots Superman (again), without Cavill, and the entire universe they're currently shaping is swept aside wholly. The way things are gearing up...this is unlikely, to say the very least.

Umm, yea, ok. Or how about WB simply doesn't make the film? Are you still waiting for Ang Lee to film a Hulk sequel too? MOS has the stench of lukewarm success all around it.

Ang Lee's Hulk was abysmal. No debate there. He even said it almost toasted his career. For a director to admit that...at least he owned it.

Aside from pegging you as a mere hater, why do you sincerely feel there will not be another Superman film in the new shared universe, apart from your remarks about dollars and cents? The DVD release was met with much enthusiasm. The theatrical release was flanked— more like sandwiched — by two other big budget blockbuster-intentioned movies. WB could have used better judgment there, but what's done is done.

Star Trek Into Darkness ($467.4M worldwide) earned a bit more than Star Trek (385.6M worldwide) globally but grossed $29M less domestically. Still, Star Trek 3 is slated for 2016. They're optimistic. They need to avoid pastiches and not recycle story elements we're overly familiar with.

Man of Steel's $668M (worldwide) looks a fuckload better than those movies in terms of grosses. The cast was less expensive, too, no doubt. And it actually cost less to make than Singer's movie. If you wanted super-action it delivered.

BvS is going to have an "Avengers effect," it will stir a lot of interest in the DCU. People will be excited to see new characters.

It's not like we're talking about Dredd. Great movie, Urban & Thirlby rocked, it was a faithful adaptation, it had a smallish (low-risk) budget — and yet it tanked. Hard. I still hope they make another one.

[RedWingFan]

BvS is going to have an "Avengers effect," it will stir a lot of interest in the DCU. People will be excited to see new characters.

How can they be excited about new characters when Joe Movie-goer comes out of BvS asking, "Who the hell were those 5 characters that were fucking with Batman and Superman and why?"

The "Avengers effect" was the anticipation of seeing Hulk, Iron Man, Thor, and Cap coming together after having their characters properly fleshed out and backstories told creating a connection and an investment with the audience. DC is throwing shit up on the screen and hoping it doesn't suck too bad. Sure people have a fresh Superman and some kind of Batman, and the only thing many will know about Wonder Woman is Linda Carter. (Man she was hot!) Again, Joe Movie-goer, Who is she?

[verslibre]

BvS is going to have an "Avengers effect," it will stir a lot of interest in the DCU. People will be excited to see new characters.

How can they be excited about new characters when Joe Movie-goer comes out of BvS asking, "Who the hell were those 5 characters that were fucking with Batman and Superman and why?"

Wonder Woman and Flash aren't obscure by any means. If Marvel Studios can introduce Hawkeye (who was mostly in the shadows in the first Thor) to general audiences, WB can introduce Cyborg. It's not that hard, man.

[verslibre]

Also, Guillermo del Toro's Justice League Dark table is still in development. It's going slowly, but he's assembling it.

Another film unlikely to happen. How many projects has Del Toro worked on or talked about it, only to abandon? Hobbit, Disney Haunted House reboot, Wind in the Willows, Pinocchio, Frankenstein....guy is mostly all talk.

Now you're a GdT hater? Good grief, TNC Brown. JLD may take a while, but it'll be worth the wait.

GdT being all talk is a matter of opinion. He left The Hobbit to make Pacific Rim. Yeah, he disappointed people by doing that, but in turn he gave us a really cool movie (if you enjoy that genre).

For the record, GdT halted At the Mountains of Madness because he felt there were a few too many similarities to Prometheus. He's not all about the money.

[RedWingFan]

BvS is going to have an "Avengers effect," it will stir a lot of interest in the DCU. People will be excited to see new characters.

How can they be excited about new characters when Joe Movie-goer comes out of BvS asking, "Who the hell were those 5 characters that were fucking with Batman and Superman and why?"

Wonder Woman and Flash aren't obscure by any means. If Marvel Studios can introduce Hawkeye (who was mostly in the shadows in the first Thor) to general audiences, WB can introduce Cyborg. It's not that hard, man.

Yeah, and he was only known to comic fans. His name wasn't even mentioned, just a dude that chose a bow and arrow over a rifle. Actually his inclusion was shot after that whole scene was finished.

Too many new characters unless BvS is going to clock in at 3.5-4 hours.

[verslibre]

The "Avengers effect" was the anticipation of seeing Hulk, Iron Man, Thor, and Cap coming together after having their characters properly fleshed out and backstories told creating a connection and an investment with the audience. DC is throwing shit up on the screen and hoping it doesn't suck too bad. Sure people have a fresh Superman and some kind of Batman, and the only thing many will know about Wonder Woman is Linda Carter. (Man she was hot!) Again, Joe Movie-goer, Who is she?

Joe Average Moviegoer* did not have a hard-on for Hulk after the first movie (and not really after the second movie). He has to be written well to be little more than an indestructible green ogre. The kind of Hulk movie I'd love to see will never be made, because it would bore *JAM stiff.

Iron Man was not a household name, either. Heavy promotion, a killer trailer, and RDJ drove the point home. After the first movie, things were different.

The (obvious) point is Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman and even Flash (who reportedly will have a cameo, at least) are more well-known to the g.a. now than Iron Man, Black Widow and even Thor were before they got screen time. They didn't have one-sixteenth of, say, Spider-Man's fame and popularity. WW's movie can come afterward.

Wait till the first full trailer emerges and we see all of them in garb. That is the herofilm everyone will be talking about.

[YoungJRNY]

It seriously is a GAME.SET.MATCH once WB release's the TRINITY in one press release. It will take WB/DC one movie to accomplish what Marvel took numerous movies to set up. All WB/DC really needed was the confidence and the greenlight to give us this universe and they now have their plan set in place. Marvel Studios is one thing, but DC, in one simple announcement, is stealing the show with BvS and the inclusion of this DCU. They will close the gap pretty easily with one or two movies and that's an understatement.

[verslibre]

It seriously is a GAME.SET.MATCH once WB release's the TRINITY in one press release. It will take WB/DC one movie to accomplish what Marvel took numerous movies to set up. All WB/DC really needed was the confidence and the greenlight to give us this universe and they now have their plan set in place. Marvel Studios is one thing, but DC, in one simple announcement, is stealing the show with BvS and the inclusion of this DCU. They will close the gap pretty easily with one or two movies and that's an understatement.

Another thing of note is they've laid out this plan minus a new solo Batman film. It's very deliberate, almost like "No, we DON'T need to oversaturate you with Batman following Nolan's bazillion-dollar trilogy, but this is a new universe and WB & Zack are doing this World's Finest-slanted movie — which includes Wonder Woman — to set up a proper team film."

I agree. They're going to close the gap...FAST. When they show footage of Batman and the new Batmobile (which looks badass) on a collision course with Superman, people are gonna love it.

People hate on Goyer and Zack, but to their credit we for once got a Superman movie WITHOUT fucking kryptonite. Singer literally had a mountain of it in his film because he had those two doofs write it.

[Majestic]

I think Superman can easily stomp Batman. Hardly a fair matchup.

[RedWingFan]

Holy Hell. Now throw fucking Aquaman in the mix. The first talkbacker nailed it, "desperate for Avengers money".
http://www.aintitcool.com/node/67661

[RedWingFan]

Iron Man was not a household name, either. Heavy promotion, a killer trailer, and RDJ drove the point home. After the first movie, things were different.

Exactly! which was the point of doing the Iron Man film and spending 2+ hours getting to know who Stark was what happened to him and see who he became and why. They focused on IM and made a kick ass movie.

Also, Heavy promotion and a killer trailer wouldn't = box office success and repeat viewings. A great movie with great characters and storytelling does.

[YoungJRNY]

Holy Hell. Now throw fucking Aquaman in the mix. The first talkbacker nailed it, "desperate for Avengers money".
http://www.aintitcool.com/node/67661

Good Christ dude you're seriously stuck in MONTHS ago. Justice League is coming after BvS, hence: DAWN OF JUSTICE. The production was delayed almost an entire year because the studio needed to get the necessary players under longterm contract. Aquaman, Cyborg and Wonder Woman are nothing more than a small but significant or cameo parts to kick off into Justice League. You don't need to build half-assed filler movies like First Avenger and Thor to build a Universe ala Harry Potter and I'm glad WB/DC isn't following that Marvel formula. DC characters are entirely different than Marvel characters. Start off with a goddamn bang! It's going to be wild.

Seriously can't believe people bitch about a goddamn BvS and JL movie when people have bitched and complained only a few years ago because there wasn't one and now that we're getting childhood fantasy movies, people bitch. People shit down WB's throat for not having a longterm plan and when they finally do, people bitch. Step away from the goddamn internet for a second. THIS IS AWESOME.

[RedWingFan]

Great talkback post from that link.

JackSprat •an hour ago

Sort of sucks how everyone sees that WB is plunging in headfirst without a strategy except.... well.... except the guys and gals who run Warner Brothers. Leave it to WB to blow an opportunity to capitalize on one of the last great unexploited movie franchises.

We can't pass final judgment until the trailers and reviews start coming out for BvS and whatever else they have planned, but it sure does look like they keep changing the plans.
Marvel had a strategy from the get go. Marvel said: "We're going to first release movies for our four main Avengers - Hulk, Thor, Captain America, and Iron Man - to introduce them to the public. We're going to include end scenes in all these movies leading up the big event which is Avengers." Then they spell out which movies they will make next. Whether or not we really want to see a Doctor Strange, Ant-Man or Guardians of the Galaxy movie, by god, that's what we're going to get. Marvel isn't innocent. They go through new directors too much, but again.... Marvel has a clear strategy and if you don't agree with their overall vision, they let you go.

Meanwhile DC says: "Meh.... we'll make a Wonder Woman TV Show, no wait, we'll make a movie. We'll turn Flash into a teenie bopper TV Show, no wait, we'll make a movie. We'll make a Man of Steel 2, no wait, it's a prequel for Justice League.. just like the comics, it's issue #0. Oh wait, let's not just put Batman and Superman in it, let's put Wonder Woman. Hey, hey, throw in Aquaman too! We can't pay Christian Bale a gazillion dollars to be in Batman v Superman, so let's just hire a 40-something popular actor to play him!"

I guess they didn't learn their lesson from Superman Returns. You're never going to re-capture the Nolan & Bale greatness, just like Singer couldn't bring Donner & Reeves out of the bottle again. Might as well reboot the entire Batman concept first before throwing him into a Justice League movie. I also think since they already have the problem of no actor continuity or no solo movies released before Justice League, they should bring Ryan Reynolds back as Green Lantern. Who knows? Maybe he could be DC's Hulk. A green hero who is suddenly popular again once you hire a director and writer who knows how to use him properly.

And a funny one! "Tiny Tunes"?

Make Fists With Your Toes •2 hours ago

Fuck it...just throw in all the WB staples in there while you're at it. Dirty Harry, Looney Tunes, Tiny Toons, Animaniacs, Freakazoid, have the animate Batman from the 90's come from a parallel universe to fight side by side with Affleck Batman, you can probably get some Buffy and Dawson's Creek cameos because...why not?, oh...I see Harry Potter is under the studio too, can't forget him! Kids'll LOVE IT!

[YoungJRNY]

Internet know it all big mouths. Who would have ever thought they existed?

[YoungJRNY]

Avengers:

The trailer is garbage. There is an art and language to movie trailers, and when three or more trailers are released for the same movie with the same scenes and clips it translates into English as “I really hope people go see this movie.. “ Here are all the clips from the Avengers trailer: 1) up-close shots of each actor’s face in slow motion to make viewers say; “..OH DAMN, that is like… THOR?! Who’s that?! Charlie Brown!! Er I mean, Captain America!!! HOLY SH^%!!” 2) bunch of explosions in the same two blocks of city in the day 3) Robert Downey Jr. making quirky remarks. Oh, and robots because when you can’t write dialogue just make most of the enemies robots who can’t talk, thanks Marvel. And do they really need Hawkeye and Black Widow when you have Thor and the Hulk already on the team? They ditched Hawkeye’s mask, which I always thought was very cool. Marvel hates masks in their movies. - I’m bitter because I love Marvel, and that is why I hate them; the same reason why we hate George Lucas for destroying what we loved. Ah, the creator is now the destroyer. The train wreck is coming, I hope it can be avoided but Nerd Caliber doesn’t pay me all these cases of money to be wrong. I’ll be camped in line for the Dark Knight Rises. In Nolan I trust.

[YoungJRNY]

Getting this BS back on topic:



AWESOME!

[The_Noble_Cause]

Holy Hell. Now throw fucking Aquaman in the mix. The first talkbacker nailed it, "desperate for Avengers money".
http://www.aintitcool.com/node/67661

The whole thing sounds like a mess to me. Should've went with George Miller's Justice League film. While 'Man of Steel' had interstellar and and fantasy elements, it tried to be grounded in some type of realism (kinda like Nolan's Bat films). But this? Cyborg? Aquaman? Wonder Woman? All these fruity characters throwing a big tea party? I dunno, man...

[The_Noble_Cause]

GdT being all talk is a matter of opinion. He left The Hobbit to make Pacific Rim. Yeah, he disappointed people by doing that, but in turn he gave us a really cool movie (if you enjoy that genre).

I dug Pacific. Too many dark night time battle sequences tho, had me squinting (same with the new Godzilla). I guess studios prefer to save $$ on CGI that way, but if I can barely see the fight sequences, why bother? I like alot of GDT's work. And I wish he HAD done Hobbit, cuz Jackson is becoming a parody of himself.

For the record, GdT halted At the Mountains of Madness because he felt there were a few too many similarities to Prometheus. He's not all about the money.

Toro also bailed cuz the studio wouldn't greenlight Mountains with an R rating. Maybe someday. Sounds epic!