Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice THREAD

[verslibre]

[YoungJRNYfan]

Ben Affleck to present the BvS trailer on Kimmel tonight.

Official trailer run time: 2:59.

[verslibre]

Saw the trailer.



Head exploded.

[Abitaman]

Awesome trailer, with a little bit of humor. Some are complaining on other sites they gave the movie away. They showed alot, but who didn't have this figured out already?!?

[The_Noble_Cause]

Trailer looks good. Eisenberg's portrayal of Luthor blows. Kid can't act for shit. Otherwise, looks like a winner.

[verslibre]

Awesome trailer, with a little bit of humor. Some are complaining on other sites they gave the movie away. They showed alot, but who didn't have this figured out already?!?

It's weird. On SHH, where I thought feedback would be pos > neg, it's more neg (at least last night it seemed that way).

Yet on CBR, where I thought feedback would be neg > pos, it was much more pos.

I think, again, the trailer was cut to mislead. (And yes, it gave a few more details away, but we voluntarily chose to watch it, LOL.)

I don't think that's Doomsday's "final" look. His fully-engaged mode will be much more extreme in its appearance.

For some bizarre reason, people were complaining about "Is she with you?" "I thought she was with you!" Myself, I liked that.

Wonder Woman looks awesome.

[verslibre]

Trailer looks good. Eisenberg's portrayal of Luthor blows. Kid can't act for shit. Otherwise, looks like a winner.

It was a little OTT (deliberately), but I really liked the dialogue between Clark and Bruce before he showed up.

I was watching Now You See Me a few nights ago, and Eisenberg does a pretty good job in that.

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[YoungJRNYfan]

Quick thoughts:

I mentioned awhile ago that a way to introduce Wondy is for her to make an appearance through a Boom Tube and portals from one time period to another. With Doomsday showing up and then Wondy saving the day at the last second, it makes me think that could be true and I would love that.

I believe the Doomsday appearance is there for Wondy to destroy. It's going to be her defining moment that gets us ready for her solo. Everyone will connect Doomsday with the Death of Superman, but I think Diana is going to own the beast and be the scene stealer.

There's more that meets the eye, here. When Lex says "..the devil will do it!" You see Superman in the background crossing his arms. They look to be standing in the scout ship from Man of Steel, which looks like nobody removed from Centennial Park next to the Superman statue. Interesting stuff. The trailer is choppy and I think there's more going on here than it looks like.

Everything about this trailer lined up exactly how I thought it would go and I always had a feeling Doomsday would be apart of this in some capacity or another, especially with Cavill talking about it on the MoS BluRay and the BlueRay namedropping a Doomsday reference. It was all there.

Eisenberg's Lex is awkward and weird. This portrayal could have more layers, we'll see. He definitely comes off as a schizophrenic and his personality is obviously for public judgement on his happy-go-lucky; forced character. The dude is no doubt in the loony bin. The Clark/Bruce confrontation was gold. The rivalry and standoff is quickly established there. Intense.

[Monker]

Here it is:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMqHUeZsmug

A much better trailer than the last one.

Lex is annoying. He would have made a great Joker. In fact, switch those two actors up and it may have been some great casting. At it is, it's like casting Jim Carey as Lex. All of the traits that make him annoying as Lex would make him a perfect Joker...especially his whiney voice.

Interesting that they injected so much humor after all the talk and critique of Marvel's humor. In fact, I think there was more humor here that in the Civil War trailer. The truth is, they are using it here in the same way that Marvel does. The entire, "Is she with you?" could have been cut from a Marvel movie with Iron Man and CA trading the same lines.

I have to wonder if all of the critique of BvS being too dark had an impact on this trailer...it does not have the same mood presented at all as the last one. So, what is the reality...a dark and serious movie, or a Marvel movie clone with a DC label? They can't be both.

The end was good...but I like the Iron Man beat down at the end of Civil War better.

[verslibre]

Why does one sarcastic line and one semi-humorous exchange equate the same type and level of humor in a typical MCU outing?

[Monker]

Why does one sarcastic line and one semi-humorous exchange equate the same type and level of humor in a typical MCU outing?

I didn't say "level" of humor...I said 'type'.

Because sarcastic one-liners and semi-humorous exchanges are the very thing that you guys complain about in Marvel movies...and to compare apples to apples, none of this is in the Civil War trailer. Therefore, BvS turned to the same type of humor to lighten their tone and make the trailer seem less dark and serious....exactly as Marvel does in their movies.

[verslibre]

Why does one sarcastic line and one semi-humorous exchange equate the same type and level of humor in a typical MCU outing?

I didn't say "level" of humor...I said 'type'.

Then why did you write "they injected so much humor"? Because that clearly isn't the case. And note that I did say type, as well.

Because sarcastic one-liners and semi-humorous exchanges are the very thing that you guys complain about in Marvel movies...and to compare apples to apples, none of this is in the Civil War trailer.

The Russos are in place now. The Russos are clearly influenced by Nolan's approach. It's evident in TWS and the footage for Civil War. And that's not a bad thing. They no doubt cut the trailer for it. The new BvS trailer doesn't really feel like Zack cut the entirety of it. Those jump-cuts aren't really his style. The consensus across the CBM boards is that this new trailer is tailored to general audiences, the first one was for DC/CBM/comics devotees/enthusiasts. Trailer #2 has a different dynamic, but the second half offers more Snyder-centric editing — the Batwing's assault on Superman, the line "If I want it, you'd be dead already," and, of course, the first full reveal of the proto-JL standing together against an as-yet-unrevealed threat (no, not Doomsday).

Therefore, BvS turned to the same type of humor to lighten their tone and make the trailer seem less dark and serious....exactly as Marvel does in their movies.

Talk about jumping the gun. Show me where in the trailer you hear a barrage of exchanges like the ones Stark has had with any given character. If RDJ-Stark was standing in back of Wonder Woman, he'd be ad-libbing all these remarks about her legs, her ass, what's she like in the sack, what's she doing "after the battle," and so on.

There's some passive-aggressiveness in the dialogue between Clark and Bruce. Lex shows up and acts like an ass, but his mannerisms are quite peculiar. Superman and Batman ping-pong the "I thought she was with you" line. And that's about it.

[verslibre]

Quick thoughts:

I mentioned awhile ago that a way to introduce Wondy is for her to make an appearance through a Boom Tube and portals from one time period to another. With Doomsday showing up and then Wondy saving the day at the last second, it makes me think that could be true and I would love that.

I believe the Doomsday appearance is there for Wondy to destroy. It's going to be her defining moment that gets us ready for her solo. Everyone will connect Doomsday with the Death of Superman, but I think Diana is going to own the beast and be the scene stealer.

Totally agree with all of this!

[Monker]

Then why did you write "they injected so much humor"? Because that clearly isn't the case. And note that I did say type, as well.

Because compared to the Civil War trailer, this one could have been on Comedy Central.

When the first trailer was released, you guys beamed with pride that BvS was going to be a dark and serious movie. It was to be in line with the Dark Night movies. It was everything that Marvel was not doing. But, now this latest trailer seems to show that the movie is much less dark and serious as we were lead to believe.

Surprise...the BvS trailer is more light hearted and the Civil War trailer is more series.

Can you not see that? Did I see a different trailer?

And, frankly, I don't think those are two styles that can mix very well in one movie. If the movie can't decide on what it is, it will be another negative. Also, if the studio is trying to change how they are promoting it, it's a sign they are getting bad feedback from somewhere credible that they feel they need to address...and that is also not good.

The Russos are in place now.

So what...it < a three minute trailer. If anything this shows how you can cut up a movie and create a three minute clip to make it seem the full movie can be anything you want. Who the director is is meaningless. What I cut and did not quote from your post shows you know this.

The bottom line is you have two trailers for BvS that set moods that contradict each other. In fact, this latest trailer contradicts itself from the first half to the last half...as you also admitted in stuff I cut. If you are honest with yourself, you are only guessing what the full movie will be like. You have your desires and you have a director that you think will deliver to those wants - but the current trailers prove that you do know for certain what the final movie is truly going to be.

The consensus across the CBM boards is that this new trailer is tailored to general audiences, the first one was for DC/CBM/comics devotees/enthusiasts.

Oh, come on. They don't know anything more than you and I know and are just guessing.just like everybody else. I would rather look at the facts that are presented for me to see and hear...not a bunch of rumors, gossip and opinions that are no better or worse than yours or mine.

Talk about jumping the gun. Show me where in the trailer you hear a barrage of exchanges like the ones Stark has had with any given character. If RDJ-Stark was standing in back of Wonder Woman, he'd be ad-libbing all these remarks about her legs, her ass, what's she like in the sack, what's she doing "after the battle," and so on.

Your critique of the script is not the point. The point is this trailer used humor to lighten the mood so it did not seem so dark and serious. To deny that is to deny reality, IMO.

There's some passive-aggressiveness in the dialogue between Clark and Bruce. Lex shows up and acts like an ass, but his mannerisms are quite peculiar. Superman and Batman ping-pong the "I thought she was with you" line. And that's about it.

Yep, all in less than three minutes. It's a trailer...and it's more humor than Civil War presented...and that is my point.

And, why are you focusing so much on the negatives that I posted? I was not trying to be overly critical of this trailer...but your replies are certainly guiding the conversation down that path.

[verslibre]

Says the guy who's critical of everything. But that's okay. It's just a trailer. The movie is going to be roughly 2-1/2 hours long. There's room for a line like "I thought she was with you!" It won't affect the movie's overall tone.

[YoungJRNYfan]

So, what is the reality...a dark and serious movie, or a Marvel movie clone with a DC label? They can't be both.

Easy. This is going to be a dark and serious movie. A Marvel clone with a DC label? Here we fucking go! First off, Marvel wouldn't know two shits what to do with a villain like Doomsday. They would somehow turn him into a comedic pussy.

Second, this trailer was cut for a national live audience and for Kimmel's television audience for the mass's. The tone of this trailer skipped around because they wanted to show some instances that reassured soccer moms that it's still a superhero property with lighter banter, but make no mistake about it, if you pay attention, this movie has some dark undertones and is going to be brutally serious for the majority.

There's an abundance of difference between characters sharing a line for placed humor and shoehorning unnecessary humor at almost every gut wrenching instance like Marvel does. DC will NOT do that. It will be sprinkled in and be subtle..if that. That said, there's some KILLER lines in this trailer and Chris Terrio's fingerprints are all over it. "Maybe it's just the Gotham City in me. We have a bad history with freaks dressed up as clowns." "That son of a bitch took..the war..to us..." "STAY DOWN, if I wanted it, you'd be dead already." Those were fantastic lines.

When Wondy shows up, just look at how fucking fierce this chick is going to be. I would go as far to say that she's going to single handily cut Doomy's head off with her sword and eat it for lunch! She's going to be insanely brutal, something Marvel is incapable of doing with their characters.

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[YoungJRNYfan]

Take a closer look at the bottom right of Doomy's chest. Looks to be a backwards S. The Doomsday we saw in the trailer is NOT his final form. No way. I think he's a hybrid of many forms.. we're talking Zod/Bizarro/Doomsday. In the comics, Doomsday origin was a tested lab-rat that was killed over and over and over again until he reached his final form. There could be some twist to that here. I don't think what we saw was Doomsday's final look. The backward S is interesting.

[YoungJRNYfan]

[verslibre]

Take a closer look at the bottom right of Doomy's chest. Looks to be a backwards S. The Doomsday we saw in the trailer is NOT his final form. No way. I think he's a hybrid of many forms.. we're talking Zod/Bizarro/Doomsday. In the comics, Doomsday origin was a tested lab-rat that was killed over and over and over again until he reached his final form. There could be some twist to that here. I don't think what we saw was Doomsday's final look. The backward S is interesting.

I believe he will be much more gnarly in his final appearance. Those bone spurs will grow. Yes, it's a backwards-S. So he's BiZod'sday!!

[verslibre]

"FINAL" DOOMSDAY LEAKED!!!

[verslibre]

Here's a really HQ pic of this mofo.

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[YoungJRNYfan]

I'm on my phone, so it's hard to navigate. On SHH, a poster popped back up to give us info on the recent trailer. He was involved heavily as an extra on BvS and can't say much, but at the time while he was filming, he provided visual evidence in advance that ended up being true so he's a trusted poster. He said he's not concerned at all with the look of Doomsday and he does in fact grow more and more in appearance. Also, he said the movie is going to be much, much darker than the last trailer showed and how the latest trailer was cut for a bigger viewing audience but the film is going to represent more of the first two trailers as far as tone is concerned. He also said working with Snyder that Snyder isn't afraid to take on the darker aspect of what they are creating and most of the background scenes he was involved in were highly intense. I'll post his quotes later.

[verslibre]

I am absolutely confident that this film is going to kick my ass. I know the new trailer was cut to appeal to a somewhat wider demographic, and I'm perfectly fine with it. It's a great fucking trailer. Lots of people (even Monker!) like it.

That said, hearing from somebody who was a part OF the film saying the early teaser and Comic Con trailer are more representative of the film's tone and mission is nonetheless awesome.

I can't believe all the numbskulls (on SHH, especially) who are so affected by the cut of the new trailer to the point they've convinced themselves it's going to be a subpar film. They should sign up for therapy ASAP!

Methinks there's a good chance the climactic battle with DoomZod is going to be so epic, it'll probably outdo every other superhero-centric battle onscreen to date. And that's after we've seen the inevitable confrontation between our titular heroes.

And no matter what people think, about anything, Gal Gadot has won just about everybody over.

I'm on my phone, so it's hard to navigate. On SHH, a poster popped back up to give us info on the recent trailer. He was involved heavily as an extra on BvS and can't say much, but at the time while he was filming, he provided visual evidence in advance that ended up being true so he's a trusted poster. He said he's not concerned at all with the look of Doomsday and he does in fact grow more and more in appearance. Also, he said the movie is going to be much, much darker than the last trailer showed and how the latest trailer was cut for a bigger viewing audience but the film is going to represent more of the first two trailers as far as tone is concerned. He also said working with Snyder that Snyder isn't afraid to take on the darker aspect of what they are creating and most of the background scenes he was involved in were highly intense. I'll post his quotes later.

[YoungJRNYfan]

Lmao, SHH's response was hilarious. I don't pay attention to geek heaven that is those communities when these things release. The majority of the majority of these forums and fans will see this film more than once regardless of the moaning. Though, the complaint is more of the editing of the trailer than the content itself in most cases with them and how Doomy looks, but sensible fans know this isn't Doomsday's final form.

You're certainly right about the general audience, though and this trailer was cut for them. It's had a great reception across the board from the casual, which is a good sign, but also shows the difference of taste all around. BvS is going to do big.

[Monker]

Easy. This is going to be a dark and serious movie. A Marvel clone with a DC label? Here we fucking go! First off, Marvel wouldn't know two shits what to do with a villain like Doomsday. They would somehow turn him into a comedic pussy.

You assume so much. You are really talking like a fanboy who just can't face what may be happening at DC.

If this is a "dark and serious" movie, they lied to the general public...and that's not a good thing. If they can't represent the reality of what the movie is and pull in the expected audience (whatever that is), then they won't pull in the expected audience. People don't like it when you lie to them.

Second, this trailer was cut for a national live audience and for Kimmel's television audience for the mass's. The tone of this trailer skipped around because they wanted to show some instances that reassured soccer moms that it's still a superhero property with lighter banter, but make no mistake about it, if you pay attention, this movie has some dark undertones and is going to be brutally serious for the majority.

Yeah, sure, they spent a bunch of money specifically for a trailer on one late night TV talk show and a live premier. You're lying to yourself if you believe that.

IMO, it is much, much more likely that they received feedback from the first trailer that it was TOO DARK AND SERIOUS and that tone turned too many people off. So, they did their focus groups and such and found a balance that attracted the most people...and that is the trailer we got.

Yes, it is absolutely a good trailer. That is not even an argument with me. However, if it is a lie and this movie is going to be like Watchmen, or even one of the Dark Knight movies, then you will see a backlash of bad reviews of people who saw it expecting one thing and getting another.

There's an abundance of difference between characters sharing a line for placed humor and shoehorning unnecessary humor at almost every gut wrenching instance like Marvel does. DC will NOT do that.

Again, fanboy critique and assumptions.

You don't KNOW how DC will use humor.

The FACT is that humor was used in this trailer a LOT more than humor was in the Civil War trailer, which is none at all. You can critique Marvel but the facts of what is happening between these two movies does not correspond to your fanboy opinion.

That said, there's some KILLER lines in this trailer and Chris Terrio's fingerprints are all over it. "Maybe it's just the Gotham City in me. We have a bad history with freaks dressed up as clowns." "That son of a bitch took..the war..to us..." "STAY DOWN, if I wanted it, you'd be dead already." Those were fantastic lines.

You have got to be kidding me.

The "Gotham City in me..." is taken from something else. I've heard it before and I don't remember where. Actually, now that I have written this...I think it was stolen and rephrased from Captain American in one of the Marvel movies. I'd have to go back and watch it to find out where.

The same thing "you'd be dead already..." It's been said before....in "Wrath of Khan", "No, Jim, he's dead already."

"a bad history with freaks dressed as clowns." is obviously pointed to the Joker. The problem is, in this universe, he doesn't look like a "clown" at all. Oops. To me, this was the greatest fucked up line I have heard in a LONG time.

In general, the dialogue was good. I'd even say great. But, it's nothing so exceptional that it deserves the high praise and over the top praise you give it.

When Wondy shows up, just look at how fucking fierce this chick is going to be. I would go as far to say that she's going to single handily cut Doomy's head off with her sword and eat it for lunch! She's going to be insanely brutal, something Marvel is incapable of doing with their characters.

Of course you are going to say such exaggerated things. But, again, realistically, it was a good and funny appearance and all that...but you are putting far higher than it should be.

[Monker]

Take a closer look at the bottom right of Doomy's chest. Looks to be a backwards S. The Doomsday we saw in the trailer is NOT his final form. No way. I think he's a hybrid of many forms.. we're talking Zod/Bizarro/Doomsday. In the comics, Doomsday origin was a tested lab-rat that was killed over and over and over again until he reached his final form. There could be some twist to that here. I don't think what we saw was Doomsday's final look. The backward S is interesting.

I believe he will be much more gnarly in his final appearance. Those bone spurs will grow. Yes, it's a backwards-S. So he's BiZod'sday!!

If you look at the picture, some of the Godzilla bones look like the points are broke off.

[Monker]

I'm on my phone, so it's hard to navigate. On SHH, a poster popped back up to give us info on the recent trailer. He was involved heavily as an extra on BvS and can't say much, but at the time while he was filming, he provided visual evidence in advance that ended up being true so he's a trusted poster. He said he's not concerned at all with the look of Doomsday and he does in fact grow more and more in appearance. Also, he said the movie is going to be much, much darker than the last trailer showed and how the latest trailer was cut for a bigger viewing audience but the film is going to represent more of the first two trailers as far as tone is concerned. He also said working with Snyder that Snyder isn't afraid to take on the darker aspect of what they are creating and most of the background scenes he was involved in were highly intense. I'll post his quotes later.

And, "extra" is not going to know what Doomsday looks like...unless they decided to use some type of live actor and not CGI.

This guy seems to be saying FAR more about the movie than an "extra" would even possibly know.