Tour Starts Tomm - 09/28

[The_Noble_Cause]

Not a peep from any of the guys about rehearsals or set lists or behind the scenes footage. Put a fork in it.

[Onestepper]

They are in neutral. The car drives itself at this point. Just show up, cash in and leave.

Pitiful.

[FamilyMan]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xiJLhjt6jeU

[The_Noble_Cause]

Like, at least play one tune from Revelation or something. Truly pathetic.

[Pacfanweb]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xiJLhjt6jeU

Yeesh. That was kind of brutal

[The_Noble_Cause]

The setlist from last night is online and it is just as stale as expected. I have to say, Hugo's tribute band has a better setlist at this point. They should really throw in the towel. This lineup is just a lazy uninspired money grab.

[scarab]

https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/journey/ ... c2620.html


Yep pretty lame setlist. Not one song from Arrival, Generations (maybe thats a good thing) Revelation, Eclipse or even TBF.

Sickens me that Neal would still play this dusty, crusty, moldy, oldie music instead of doing stuff he loved with JTT.

[The_Noble_Cause]

More footage of a second AC show is online. Gotta say, AP is hanging in there, just barely. Not a strong start to the tour/ residency.

[Memorex]

This lineup is just a lazy uninspired money grab.

You probably would be a lot less frustrated if you had of accepted this 7 or 8 years ago.

[The_Noble_Cause]

You probably would be a lot less frustrated if you had of accepted this 7 or 8 years ago.

Concert setlists from 2011 (8 years ago) actually featured new material.

[Monker]

You probably would be a lot less frustrated if you had of accepted this 7 or 8 years ago.

Concert setlists from 2011 (8 years ago) actually featured new material.

I told you they were at this point a very long time ago...and you insisted that Journey would have an album out before Styx. Well, "The Mission" came out and there should another Styx album out next year....and a DeYoung album.

The evidence of Journey just going through the motions has been there a very, very long time.

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[The_Noble_Cause]

I told you they were at this point a very long time ago...and you insisted that Journey would have an album out before Styx. Well, "The Mission" came out and there should another Styx album out next year....and a DeYoung album.

The evidence of Journey just going through the motions has been there a very, very long time.

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The Mission was only Styx's second album of original material since replacing DDY. Journey has done four albums + an EP since SP was replaced. At one point, it looked like Styx may never record new material. Styx has openly acknowledged the failure of Cyclorama and has only recently embraced the idea of creating more albums.

As Shaw said "We’re working on music for a new album. We went for 14 years without creating a new album because we didn’t think there was a  place for it."

Once again, you are just engaging in dishonest revisionist history. But what else is new?

[Monker]

I told you they were at this point a very long time ago...and you insisted that Journey would have an album out before Styx. Well, "The Mission" came out and there should another Styx album out next year....and a DeYoung album.

The evidence of Journey just going through the motions has been there a very, very long time.

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The Mission was only Styx's second album of original material since replacing DDY. Journey has done four albums + an EP since SP was replaced. At one point, it looked like Styx may never record new material. Styx has openly acknowledged the failure of Cyclorama and has only recently embraced the idea of creating more albums.

As Shaw said "We’re working on music for a new album. We went for 14 years without creating a new album because we didn’t think there was a  place for it."

Once again, you are just engaging in dishonest revisionist history. But what else is new?

Oh, please, you went on a triggered rampage in June of 2016 about why Journey would release a new album, and that Styx is still waiting. You were wrong. Period.

As for Styx, "it looked like Styx may never record new material". That is NOT TRUE, and is frankly either a rabid display of ignorance on your part, or a blatant lie.

In the few years prior to "The Mission" being released, Gowan had gone on several interviews saying they were working on a new album. In fact, just prior to your 2016 rampage, there was more news about it. So, yes, there was always hope that Styx would record a new album, and was doing so. It was becoming a bit frustrating waiting for it, but it was there - if you were paying attention...in fact, I said something like "yeah, when Steve Perry records a new album with Journey", or whatever. But, the HOPE was always there.

It is also untrue that there was NO new material. JY is on record in several interviews where he stated that the era of albums was over and it was a singles market now...and that is what they were trying to address. The CYO concert not only had "Walrus" but also, "Just Be", "Everything All the Time", and on the DVD the Christmas songs, "Ring the Bells" and "All I Want" (not covers, new songs). In addition, with their live CD they were releasing new songs for each CD. So, to say they were not recording new material is a flat out fallacy.

This also addresses Tommy's comment. Yes, they were taking the approach of not releasing an album. However, Tommy brought in the idea for "The Mission". They recorded and released it and it was well received. So they changed their approach to new music. It is that simple. Styx is a band where all the members get along and accommodate each other. There is no obvious conflict or ego clashing, etc. They do what they want to do.

On the other hand, Journey is a train wreck...and has been for years, decades really. Their is a HUGE divide between what Cain wants and what Schon wants. Schon going on Twitter assaults and starting rival versions of the band doesn't help any. ANYBODY with any common sense should be able to look at the unstable situation in Journey and KNOW there is little hope for any artistic output.

Who is doing better with new music, or how prolific they are, is not my point. My point was, and is, that Styx finds ways of being creative. Journey hasn't...not since the release of Eclipse.

[Monker]

I told you they were at this point a very long time ago...and you insisted that Journey would have an album out before Styx. Well, "The Mission" came out and there should another Styx album out next year....and a DeYoung album.

The evidence of Journey just going through the motions has been there a very, very long time.

+

The Mission was only Styx's second album of original material since replacing DDY. Journey has done four albums + an EP since SP was replaced. At one point, it looked like Styx may never record new material. Styx has openly acknowledged the failure of Cyclorama and has only recently embraced the idea of creating more albums.

As Shaw said "We’re working on music for a new album. We went for 14 years without creating a new album because we didn’t think there was a  place for it."

Once again, you are just engaging in dishonest revisionist history. But what else is new?

Oh, please, you went on a triggered rampage in June of 2016 about why Journey would release a new album, and that Styx is still waiting. You were wrong. Period.

As for Styx, "it looked like Styx may never record new material". That is NOT TRUE, and is frankly either a rabid display of ignorance on your part, or a blatant lie.

In the few years prior to "The Mission" being released, Gowan had gone on several interviews saying they were working on a new album. In fact, just prior to your 2016 rampage, there was more news about it. So, yes, there was always hope that Styx would record a new album, and was doing so. It was becoming a bit frustrating waiting for it, but it was there - if you were paying attention...in fact, I said something like "yeah, when Steve Perry records a new album with Journey", or whatever. But, the HOPE was always there.

It is also untrue that there was NO new material. JY is on record in several interviews where he stated that the era of albums was over and it was a singles market now...and that is what they were trying to address. The CYO concert not only had "Walrus" but also, "Just Be", "Everything All the Time", and on the DVD the Christmas songs, "Ring the Bells" and "All I Want" (not covers, new songs). In addition, with their live CD they were releasing new songs for each CD. So, to say they were not recording new material is a flat out fallacy.

This also addresses Tommy's comment. Yes, they were taking the approach of not releasing an album. However, Tommy brought in the idea for "The Mission". They recorded and released it and it was well received. So they changed their approach to new music. It is that simple. Styx is a band where all the members get along and accommodate each other. There is no obvious conflict or ego clashing, etc. They do what they want to do.

On the other hand, Journey is a train wreck...and has been for years, decades really. Their is a HUGE divide between what Cain wants and what Schon wants. Schon going on Twitter assaults and starting rival versions of the band doesn't help any. ANYBODY with any common sense should be able to look at the unstable situation in Journey and KNOW there is little hope for any artistic output.

Who is doing better with new music, or how prolific they are, is not my point. My point was, and is, that Styx finds ways of being creative. Journey hasn't...not since the release of Eclipse.

[Aaron]

Sigh.

I saw Escape with Jason Kelty in Hope, IN this weekend. They we're AWESOME. All song in the original key. I'd pay to the see them before Journey. It's a sad state of afairs.

https://www.facebook.com/E5C4P3JourneyT ... 751258515/

https://www.facebook.com/E5C4P3JourneyT ... 401711828/

Have a look.

[scarab]

Does Journey still plan to tour with the Pretenders next year?

[FamilyMan]

While the complaints about the set list are valid for anyone on this board and beyond, I think we should consider that residencies are different from tours. The people coming to see Journey in Vegas will be tourists, not fans. They're the same people who will see Celine the night before, and Wayne Newton the night after. For such an audience, I'm sure Journey is inclined - if not directed - to play the hits, and nothing but the hits. Def Leppard just finished its residency and with perhaps one or two exceptions, they played their own dirty dozen. Go look at the set list. By all accounts, that residency was considered a big hit.

[RumTumJM]

While the complaints about the set list are valid for anyone on this board and beyond, I think we should consider that residencies are different from tours. The people coming to see Journey in Vegas will be tourists, not fans. They're the same people who will see Celine the night before, and Wayne Newton the night after. For such an audience, I'm sure Journey is inclined - if not directed - to play the hits, and nothing but the hits. Def Leppard just finished its residency and with perhaps one or two exceptions, they played their own dirty dozen. Go look at the set list. By all accounts, that residency was considered a big hit.

Respectfully, that is not what Def Lep did during their recent residency.

Did they play their "Dirty Dozen" in the later third of the show? Absolutely! But, prior to that they played some songs that made the die-hards lose their minds; notably some songs that they hasn't played in decades...if ever! Plus, when you consider that they added a significant acoustic set to the middle of the show (like they've only done one tour before, some years ago) & the fact that they changed the early part of the show nightly, I find it, once again, respectfully, inaccurate to say they did what Journey is likely to do.

[RumTumJM]

While the complaints about the set list are valid for anyone on this board and beyond, I think we should consider that residencies are different from tours. The people coming to see Journey in Vegas will be tourists, not fans. They're the same people who will see Celine the night before, and Wayne Newton the night after. For such an audience, I'm sure Journey is inclined - if not directed - to play the hits, and nothing but the hits. Def Leppard just finished its residency and with perhaps one or two exceptions, they played their own dirty dozen. Go look at the set list. By all accounts, that residency was considered a big hit.

Respectfully, that is not what Def Lep did during their recent residency.

Did they play their "Dirty Dozen" in the later third of the show? Absolutely! But, prior to that they played some songs that made the die-hards lose their minds; notably some songs that they hadn't played in decades...if ever! Plus, when you consider that they added a significant acoustic set to the middle of the show (like they've only done on one tour before) & the fact that they changed the early part of the show nightly, I find it, once again, respectfully, inaccurate to say they did what Journey is likely to do.

[FamilyMan]

While the complaints about the set list are valid for anyone on this board and beyond, I think we should consider that residencies are different from tours. The people coming to see Journey in Vegas will be tourists, not fans. They're the same people who will see Celine the night before, and Wayne Newton the night after. For such an audience, I'm sure Journey is inclined - if not directed - to play the hits, and nothing but the hits. Def Leppard just finished its residency and with perhaps one or two exceptions, they played their own dirty dozen. Go look at the set list. By all accounts, that residency was considered a big hit.

Respectfully, that is not what Def Lep did during their recent residency.

Did they play their "Dirty Dozen" in the later third of the show? Absolutely! But, prior to that they played some songs that made the die-hards lose their minds; notably some songs that they hasn't played in decades...if ever! Plus, when you consider that they added a significant acoustic set to the middle of the show (like they've only done one tour before, some years ago) & the fact that they changed the early part of the show nightly, I find it, once again, respectfully, inaccurate to say they did what Journey is likely to do.

Fair enough, but that acoustic set is something I've seen DL do the last couple times I've seen them. So it's not as if they're mixing it up just for Vegas.

[ebake02]

I looked at tickets for tonight's show in Niagara Falls but $180.00 for a ticket was laughably outrageous. There was no way in hell that I was paying that price for a casino show.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Oh, please, you went on a triggered rampage in June of 2016 about why Journey would release a new album, and that Styx is still waiting. You were wrong. Period.

If I did that, please quote me. All I can tell you is, up until Eclipse, Journey has been more prolific than Styx and many of their other stagnant peers.

As for Styx, "it looked like Styx may never record new material". That is NOT TRUE, and is frankly either a rabid display of ignorance on your part, or a blatant lie.

Styx has openly admitted as much.

In the few years prior to "The Mission" being released, Gowan had gone on several interviews saying they were working on a new album. In fact, just prior to your 2016 rampage, there was more news about it. So, yes, there was always hope that Styx would record a new album, and was doing so. It was becoming a bit frustrating waiting for it, but it was there - if you were paying attention...in fact, I said something like "yeah, when Steve Perry records a new album with Journey", or whatever. But, the HOPE was always there.

And at the time of those Gowan bread crumbs, the band had not released any new songs since 2003! What does this prove? Both Cain and Schon also drop hints about doing something in the future. Neal has new Journey-spinoff music in the can and ready to go.

It is also untrue that there was NO new material. JY is on record in several interviews where he stated that the era of albums was over and it was a singles market now...and that is what they were trying to address. The CYO concert not only had "Walrus" but also, "Just Be", "Everything All the Time", and on the DVD the Christmas songs, "Ring the Bells" and "All I Want" (not covers, new songs). In addition, with their live CD they were releasing new songs for each CD. So, to say they were not recording new material is a flat out fallacy.

I don't count Beatles covers as new material. Everything else you mentioned - concert, DVDs etc. - are not a new album. Even with The Mission, it is still only 2 albums of new material. Compared to Journey's post-Perry output (Arrival, Red 13, Generations, Revelation, Eclipse), that is fairly weak.

This also addresses Tommy's comment. Yes, they were taking the approach of not releasing an album. However, Tommy brought in the idea for "The Mission". They recorded and released it and it was well received. So they changed their approach to new music. It is that simple. Styx is a band where all the members get along and accommodate each other. There is no obvious conflict or ego clashing, etc. They do what they want to do.

I am in complete agreement that The Mission was a successful creative achievement for the band. I am glad they are back to embracing new music. But again, it's only the sophomore non-DDY cd.

On the other hand, Journey is a train wreck...and has been for years, decades really. Their is a HUGE divide between what Cain wants and what Schon wants. Schon going on Twitter assaults and starting rival versions of the band doesn't help any. ANYBODY with any common sense should be able to look at the unstable situation in Journey and KNOW there is little hope for any artistic output.

This is all true. I think once Deen was fired, the balance of power has shifted. Of the current guys, only Neal has any interest in new material.

Who is doing better with new music, or how prolific they are, is not my point. My point was, and is, that Styx finds ways of being creative. Journey hasn't...not since the release of Eclipse.

Currently Journey is stagnant. Cain's evangelical awakening has warped his brain and the rest of the guys, excluding Neal, are just collecting a paycheck.