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When the fan asked Barbara to remember to include Ray Fisher in the film, the producer had a simple answer: “Obvio!!!” or “Obviously!!!” For quite some time, Ray Fisher’s future in the DCEU has been uncertain, but with this confirmation, as well as the talks happening with HBO Max and WarnerMedia for a Cyborg series, it seems Fisher and fans have a lot to look forward to.
Slated for release June 2, 2022, The Flash will be directed by Andy Muschietti and will star Ezra Miller in the titular role, as well as Ray Fisher as Cyborg.
RedWingFan wrote:I don't know,if it's funny or sad, but this "trailer" is more interesting than Josstice League
RedWingFan wrote:I don't know,if it's funny or sad, but this "trailer" is more interesting than MOS or BvS.
verslibre wrote:Glad to hear Ray's coming back as Cyborg. Too cool an actor AND character to leave out.
Monker wrote:verslibre wrote:Glad to hear Ray's coming back as Cyborg. Too cool an actor AND character to leave out.
Well, if Rey becomes a cyborg, wouldn't that mean she is a female version of Darth Vader?
verslibre wrote:
YoungJRNYfan wrote:DC fans are going to EAAAAT. We will be fed! The redemption is on another level. No time has there been a better power play move. How long have we been talking about the Multiverse? That is DC's baby and glad they are going ALL IN on the concept. It's something the MCU simply can't do and won't do properly. I can hear the phones going off in Sony's offices gearing up for a live-action Spider-Verse because DC has the next gamechanger. When Erza showed up on Crisis On Infinite Earth's, that was the shift. That was the statement. It's only the beginning. DC is going for it. About time!
'YoungJRNYfan wrote:Who's sweating it harder, Feige or Monker?
I love it.
DCFandome is going blow the roof off the joint. Did Endgame even happen? Nobody talks about it. Forgettable. The Multiverse will have how many realities of Chris Evans' Captain America doing different things in the universe? BORING.
Earth 89's Batman looking over parallel universes who interacts with Erza's Flash? YAHTZEE. As I said, Sony's phones are ringing off the hook. DC set yet another trend. All these WORLDS existing into one, not timelines. Mmmmmm,mmmm good.
I might have to get a bigger stogie to light. v, let me know when you can give me a light.
Monker wrote:'YoungJRNYfan wrote:Who's sweating it harder, Feige or Monker?
I love it.
DCFandome is going blow the roof off the joint. Did Endgame even happen? Nobody talks about it. Forgettable. The Multiverse will have how many realities of Chris Evans' Captain America doing different things in the universe? BORING.
Earth 89's Batman looking over parallel universes who interacts with Erza's Flash? YAHTZEE. As I said, Sony's phones are ringing off the hook. DC set yet another trend. All these WORLDS existing into one, not timelines. Mmmmmm,mmmm good.
I might have to get a bigger stogie to light. v, let me know when you can give me a light.
Well, I'm not sweating at all, and I doubt Feige is either. All I am saying is that the MCU has made the multiverse part of their plans for years now. It started with the first Dr. Strange movie and continued with Endgame. "Into the Spiderverse" is a direct reference to the multiverse. In the future, the MCU will have Dr. Strange and Scarlet Witch in "Multiverse of Madness". Starting with the Wanda/Vision series leading into the movie. I doubt very much it will have anything to do with multiple Captain America's. You saying that the MCU can't do a multiverse is ignorant and laughable...it's been planned and happening for years now....especially when they already did a miutiverse movie with "Into the Spiderverse".
I read about Toby McGuire being in a Spiderman movie months ago. That has nothing to do with Ezra or Michael Keaton. It has more to do with the success of "Into the Spiderverse" making it a possibility. Also, Miles is being brought into the gaming franchise in the next Spiderman game....which is incredibly timely given that this year will have the release of the next gen consoles. So, again, they have been setting this up for months. I can definitely see a multiverse movie with Toby McGuire, Tom Holland, maybe Andrew Garfield, and a new actor to play Miles Morales.
So, IMO, you are making fanboy statements about things that just don't match reality.
As for Ezra, I haven't followed the story too closely so how do you know that he hasn't choked his way out of the role of Flash? Also, Flash is going to be over shadowed by Michael Keaton's Batman...even your own statements imply that. IMO, bringing back Michael Keaton could be a miscalculation and very underwhelming. It's way past his time. I also do not trust a script written by the people who wrote Harley Quinn...even if there are others involved. This is far from a guaranteed hit or new direction.
And, none of this is going to matter if the Trump Virus keeps theaters closed.
YoungJRNYfan wrote: "I'm not sweating it.."
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Monker wrote:YoungJRNYfan wrote: "I'm not sweating it.."
*Makes long winded post full of out of context diarrhea*
It's not out of context...it is in direct reply to you saying Marvel can not do a multiverse. The FACT is that they already have and it was an ignorant comment for you to make. And, they have plans to continue it.
YoungJRNYfan wrote:Monker wrote:YoungJRNYfan wrote: "I'm not sweating it.."
*Makes long winded post full of out of context diarrhea*
It's not out of context...it is in direct reply to you saying Marvel can not do a multiverse. The FACT is that they already have and it was an ignorant comment for you to make. And, they have plans to continue it.
Any studio can do a time traveling film (it's already been done countless of times) and call it a Multiverse. I said they can't do it properly like DC will, because it's their baby and it has always been their baby and their thing. Just like when Feige caught wind of BvS, he scrambled for Civil War. Bet your ass his phones rang off the hook along with Sony to pump a live action Spider-Verse (not animation, doof).
Once Erza showed up on Crisis on Infinite Earths, that was THEE first time different live action actors of the same character crossed over. That's a FACT. The Multiverse done right isn't just timelines with the same actors. Dr.Strange and the Multiverse of Madness might be called what it's called..
..but it's not the true Multiverse done right because the MCU is one connected timeline. DC is blowing the Multiverse off its hinges and connecting ALL THEIR WORLDS that were already created since 1978.
Huge difference buttface. Besides, Geoff Johns has been talking Multiverse since 2014. Now, everything is spear headed by the legend...Jim Lee.
Monker wrote:Your whole argument is basing it on DC doing it better. Well, they haven't done it yet in movies, and the movies are a completely different media than comics. Again, Ezra may have choked his way out of the Flash role, and the writer wrote the "Birds of Prey" move...the worst from the DCU thus far. Then Michael Keaton is 40yrs out of the Batman role. As far as I know Tim Burton has nothing to do with it. All of that weighs against this working.
Monker wrote:Contrast that with the fact that "Into the Spiderverse" was very well received. The last Spiderman game was extremely popular. The sequel will introduce Miles to the Spiderman games...and will be a premier title for the PS5. Toby McGuire was not THAT long ago so it's not that hard to imagine him coming back. The Spiderman movies thus far have all been done well, as has Marvel in general. And, having Sam Raimi direct is a no brainer that it will be good. So, yes, I have much more confidence that this will work.
verslibre wrote:Leave the Doctor Magoo shit out of this, maaan! Irrevelant.
verslibre wrote:Sony will keep making movies as long as they feel like keeping the licenses. If Disney wants them to "share," they'll have to pony up Sony's fee. Sony isn't hurting. Sony doesn't care. Marvel sold them the IPs in the '90s. So that is THAT.
The "Spiderverse" refers to Spider-Man and all the characters and rogues whose film rights were included in the deal.
It does NOT mean the Spiderverse and the MCU are occupying the same joint, as the mutants and the Fantastic Four and their associated IPs do.
Monker wrote:Your whole argument is basing it on DC doing it better. Well, they haven't done it yet in movies, and the movies are a completely different media than comics. Again, Ezra may have choked his way out of the Flash role, and the writer wrote the "Birds of Prey" move...the worst from the DCU thus far. Then Michael Keaton is 40yrs out of the Batman role. As far as I know Tim Burton has nothing to do with it. All of that weighs against this working.
Bullshit. Nobody gives a fuck about Tim Burton. That was then. This is now. Look at some of the crap he's done since. I don't want him anywhere near the DCEU.
Monker wrote:Contrast that with the fact that "Into the Spiderverse" was very well received. The last Spiderman game was extremely popular. The sequel will introduce Miles to the Spiderman games...and will be a premier title for the PS5. Toby McGuire was not THAT long ago so it's not that hard to imagine him coming back. The Spiderman movies thus far have all been done well, as has Marvel in general. And, having Sam Raimi direct is a no brainer that it will be good. So, yes, I have much more confidence that this will work.
Oh, bullshit. You fucking shill. I like Raimi, too, but if you think he hasn't made any clunkers, you're clueless.
Monker wrote:verslibre wrote:Leave the Doctor Magoo shit out of this, maaan! Irrevelant.
It's perfectly relevant when you want to claim that DC did it first. The fact is, they didn't. Actually, Sliders did it, too.
Monker wrote:So what, I never said anything disagreeing with that. "Into the Spiderverse" is a multiverse. Period. Sony and Marvel have been cooperating quite well...and Spiderman does crossover to the Marvel movies. Thus, they are related.
Monker wrote:verslibre wrote:Bullshit. Nobody gives a fuck about Tim Burton. That was then. This is now. Look at some of the crap he's done since. I don't want him anywhere near the DCEU.
That is only one point from what you quoted above. Glad you agree that the rest are valid.
Monker wrote:Sam Raimi directing a Spiderman movie is huge news. Toby McGuire also being a part of that movie makes it even bigger.
First of all, you are wrong that the "Erza" crossover was the first time live action actors of the same character crossed over. As I said before, Dr. Who has done this many times, starting in 1972 with "The Three Doctors", then 1983 with "The Five Doctors", then 1982 with "The Two Doctors", then 1986 "The Trial of a Timelord" (though I don't think they shared a scene), 2007 with "Time Crash", 2013 with "The Day of the Doctor", 2014 with "Deep Breath", 2017 "The Doctor Falls", 2017 "Twice Upon a Time", 2020 "Fugitive of the Judoon".[/quote)
Dr.WHO GIVES A SHIT! We're not talking irrelevant 1960's British television shows, dickspash ( )Then your argument is DC does multiverse better because there is no timeline.
DC does Multiverse better because DC does it better.Again, "Into the Spiderverse" not does mess with timelines.
And?I am saying that "End Game", "Doctor Strange", and even the two Antman movies have set up the MCU to use the multiverse.
Yawn.
"Into the Spiderverse" was the first movie by EITHER DC or Marvel to use it. The fact that it is animated is irrelevant....it is a very good movie.
Try again.DCAU and the multiverse:
As first confirmed in Superman: The Animated Series episode “Brave New Metropolis, the DCAU exists in a multiverse, and is not subject only to influence from the citizens of it’s own universe. The DCAU itself showed glimpses of three different AUs, including:
Brave New Metropolis
Justice Guild Universe
Justice Lords Universe
After the DCAU ended, characters from the universe made cameos in a multiverse tale from Batman the Brave and the Bold episode ”Night of the Batmen“
'The Batman: Brave and the Bold' aired in 2011.Your whole argument is basing it on DC doing it better.
That's because they do.Well, they haven't done it yet in movies..
YET.The Spiderman movies thus far have all been done well, as has Marvel in general.
The Holland movies are unwatchable hot garbage on a stick.And, having Sam Raimi direct is a no brainer that it will be good. So, yes, I have much more confidence that this will work.
Shill.There has not been too much said about either WandaVision or "Multiverse of Madness"...only that they tie together. But, it is all going to be using the multiverse concept...and Wanda finding the full strength of her powers.
Yawn.You did the same thing with Birds of Prey, saying that Harley's popularity guaranteed a success.
First of all, you are wrong that the "Erza" crossover was the first time live action actors of the same character crossed over. As I said before, Dr. Who has done this many times, starting in 1972 with "The Three Doctors", then 1983 with "The Five Doctors", then 1982 with "The Two Doctors", then 1986 "The Trial of a Timelord" (though I don't think they shared a scene), 2007 with "Time Crash", 2013 with "The Day of the Doctor", 2014 with "Deep Breath", 2017 "The Doctor Falls", 2017 "Twice Upon a Time", 2020 "Fugitive of the Judoon".
Then your argument is DC does multiverse better because there is no timeline.
Again, "Into the Spiderverse" not does mess with timelines.
I am saying that "End Game", "Doctor Strange", and even the two Antman movies have set up the MCU to use the multiverse.
"Into the Spiderverse" was the first movie by EITHER DC or Marvel to use it. The fact that it is animated is irrelevant....it is a very good movie.
DCAU and the multiverse:
As first confirmed in Superman: The Animated Series episode “Brave New Metropolis, the DCAU exists in a multiverse, and is not subject only to influence from the citizens of it’s own universe. The DCAU itself showed glimpses of three different AUs, including:
Brave New Metropolis
Justice Guild Universe
Justice Lords Universe
After the DCAU ended, characters from the universe made cameos in a multiverse tale from Batman the Brave and the Bold episode ”Night of the Batmen“
Your whole argument is basing it on DC doing it better.
Well, they haven't done it yet in movies..
The Spiderman movies thus far have all been done well, as has Marvel in general.
And, having Sam Raimi direct is a no brainer that it will be good. So, yes, I have much more confidence that this will work.
There has not been too much said about either WandaVision or "Multiverse of Madness"...only that they tie together. But, it is all going to be using the multiverse concept...and Wanda finding the full strength of her powers.
You did the same thing with Birds of Prey, saying that Harley's popularity guaranteed a success.
verslibre wrote:Monker wrote:So what, I never said anything disagreeing with that. "Into the Spiderverse" is a multiverse. Period. Sony and Marvel have been cooperating quite well...and Spiderman does crossover to the Marvel movies. Thus, they are related.
Thanks for the tip, Captain Obvious! My point was, again, if Disney wants to use Spidey, they have to PAY Sony because Sony isn't selling back. Disney would rather pay one big lump sum to get him Webhead back because he prints money.
And not everybody likes Holland.
verslibre wrote:Putting words in my mouth, like before. Some things never change!
[/quote]Monker wrote:Sam Raimi directing a Spiderman movie is huge news. Toby McGuire also being a part of that movie makes it even bigger.
Again, I like Raimi, but he's not A-list like Nolan, Wan, Villeinage, etc. Not these days.
Monker wrote:verslibre wrote:Monker wrote:So what, I never said anything disagreeing with that. "Into the Spiderverse" is a multiverse. Period. Sony and Marvel have been cooperating quite well...and Spiderman does crossover to the Marvel movies. Thus, they are related.
Thanks for the tip, Captain Obvious! My point was, again, if Disney wants to use Spidey, they have to PAY Sony because Sony isn't selling back. Disney would rather pay one big lump sum to get him Webhead back because he prints money.
Again, so what. Yeah, Disney would LOVE to have Spiderman back, I'm sure of that. But, so far, Sony plays ball to work together. Not THAT big of a deal. And, if Sony doesn't want to work with Marvel, again, so what...Marvel has a LOT of other things they are working on that all make money.
Monker wrote:verslibre wrote:And not everybody likes Holland.
Which is why Tobie McGyver coming back in a live Spiderverse is a good thing.
Monker wrote:verslibre wrote:Putting words in my mouth, like before. Some things never change!
And, you still don't disagree with me.
Monker wrote:verslibre wrote:Again, I like Raimi, but he's not A-list like Nolan, Wan, Villeinage, etc. Not these days.
So what. It's cool to have him do another Spiderman movie...just as it would be cool to have Burton do a Keaton Batman movie.
Monker wrote:That part of the "universe" will not look and feel the same without Tim Burton's influence.
Monker wrote:Also, having "A List" directors doesn't seem to mean much. Most of Marvel's directors were not well known before they did Marvel movies.
Monker wrote:Those "A List" names also have flops, like Villeinage's Blade Runner sequel. "Tenent" is also questionable, IMO. So, having an "A list" director guarantees nothing.
verslibre wrote:[
People can still tire of a franchise. Look how much less each of these last few Star Wars movies made. Audiences are sick of the rehashes and the bullshit and the bad stories. It doesn't look good when fans almost unanimously favor the two standalone movies over the trilogy. And they lost major bank over Solo because it was redone from the ground up with Ron Howard stepping in, much like WB blowing it with the Justice League fiasco. They made NO money off that. They fudged the books to make Captain Marvel look like a success, too. Shit can change overnight, buddy.
It's not like anybody wants Garfield back
Monker wrote:verslibre wrote:Again, I like Raimi, but he's not A-list like Nolan, Wan, Villeinage, etc. Not these days.So what. It's cool to have him do another Spiderman movie...just as it would be cool to have Burton do a Keaton Batman movie.
That's just your opinion. It would be a cheesefest. It would be like Dark Shadows with Batman. It's thirty years later, dude.
Who says it's supposed to!!!???
Scott Derrickson had built up some serious cred with Sinister and Deliver Us from Evil. And he already bailed from the Strange sequel!
Ryan Coogler made a big splash with Fruitvale Station and Creed. Patty Jenkins was known for Monster; she walked off the set of Thor: The Dark World (and Natalie Portman was very unhappy over her exit).
If Disney brings in "lesser known" directors, like Taika Waititi, it's because they know they can pay less (look at how much they coughed up for Ron Howard to redo Solo, and it flopped), they can expect less creative pushback, and most importantly, they have the BRAND backing the movie up.
Tenet is questionable how? Have you seen it? No? I didn't think so.
If Tenet isn't a success, it's because theaters aren't fully open right now.
[/quote]Nolan hasn't had a flop yet. If this is his first flop, it'll be a money flop, not a critical flop, just like Blade Runner 2049, which was well-received.
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