TageRyche wrote:Be more interesting to know the terms of the settlement.
Hollywood wrote:Valory and Smith could have grabbed other players and gone out and really made a mess of thing until this had time to go through the court system.
Hollywood wrote:This is how it was always going to play out. I think the pandemic actually helped this situation as the only messiness that could have come out of it was two versions of Journey on the road as everyone in the Nightmare Inc partnership claimed to have rights to the name and likely did. Valory and Smith could have grabbed other players and gone out and really made a mess of thing until this had time to go through the court system.
At the end of the day, the band is a business and you can't deprive someone of the value of a partnership. Valory and Smith were bought out with cash or future earnings of the band. On paper a very simple process, personally and emotionally, not so much.
Onestepper wrote:As long as there is money to be made, lawsuits like this one are going to continue to be brought, and settlements continue to paid out. The details and arguments may be unique, but the end result is always the same.
Certain people get paid to just go away.
Monker wrote:Onestepper wrote:As long as there is money to be made, lawsuits like this one are going to continue to be brought, and settlements continue to paid out. The details and arguments may be unique, but the end result is always the same.
Certain people get paid to just go away.
Well, first Valory and Smith are still on Nightmare's board...at least they haven't filed a change. So, they have not gone away. Neal and Jon took them to court partially because they thought they wanted to be paid for doing nothing. According to you, they settled and are paying Ross and Steve for doing nothing. Seems to me that Journey is paying for their retirement anyway.
Onestepper wrote:Monker wrote:Onestepper wrote:As long as there is money to be made, lawsuits like this one are going to continue to be brought, and settlements continue to paid out. The details and arguments may be unique, but the end result is always the same.
Certain people get paid to just go away.
Well, first Valory and Smith are still on Nightmare's board...at least they haven't filed a change. So, they have not gone away. Neal and Jon took them to court partially because they thought they wanted to be paid for doing nothing. According to you, they settled and are paying Ross and Steve for doing nothing. Seems to me that Journey is paying for their retirement anyway.
Ahh so you think after all this, Neal and Jon are going to be asking Valory and Smith their opinions on how a chorus should sound
or how many lights to use when they tour? Okay.
Bands pay guys to shut up and get out of their way all of the time, whether they remain part of the administrative structure or not. See: Eagles, Don Felder.
Monker wrote:That's not what happened. Neal took them to court because he felt they were trying to take over Journey by being placed on the board at Nightmare....and trying to fund retirement without doing any work. So, now they are on the board at Nightmare and, according to you, getting paid by Journey to do nothing. It was a huge waste of time.
JourneyHard wrote:From what I understand, Perry's deal with Journey to get % of albums and tours has run out. So, I am surprised Perry doesn't do one new song with Journey with the conditions he gets % of future albums and future tours. I guess Perry has enough money. So, I am starting to think we will never see another Perry tour because that is where they money is and Perry seems to have enough money.
jrnyman28 wrote:Is it possible that Perry's % has bottomed out but not ended?
Either way, he has no need nor desire to work with Journey. He has been very smart with investments and business decisions. He will forever be tied by the music they created. And he can be creatively happy without them.
Monker wrote:JourneyHard wrote:From what I understand, Perry's deal with Journey to get % of albums and tours has run out. So, I am surprised Perry doesn't do one new song with Journey with the conditions he gets % of future albums and future tours. I guess Perry has enough money. So, I am starting to think we will never see another Perry tour because that is where they money is and Perry seems to have enough money.
Perry is 70something years old. He can release an album whenever he wants on Frontiers, or any label like that. He simply doesn't need Journey for anything. There was never going to be another Perry tour with Journey because Perry doesn't want anything to do with the band.
ebake02 wrote:There will never be another Perry concert or tour at all ever, solo or with Journey. If he had any interest in doing any kind of live show then he would have a couple years ago when he was making the media rounds pushing Traces.
JourneyHard wrote:ebake02 wrote:There will never be another Perry concert or tour at all ever, solo or with Journey. If he had any interest in doing any kind of live show then he would have a couple years ago when he was making the media rounds pushing Traces.
I am starting to agree with you. The last year would have been perfect if Perry wanted to do something. He could have done a full concert in an empty concert hall somewhere and recorded it and had a special on some channel or streaming or something. When people were stuck at home all year, they were starved for entertainment. A new Perry concert might have went over big. This is just further proof Perry doesn't want to tour or do anything like that.
Monker wrote:JourneyHard wrote:ebake02 wrote:There will never be another Perry concert or tour at all ever, solo or with Journey. If he had any interest in doing any kind of live show then he would have a couple years ago when he was making the media rounds pushing Traces.
I am starting to agree with you. The last year would have been perfect if Perry wanted to do something. He could have done a full concert in an empty concert hall somewhere and recorded it and had a special on some channel or streaming or something. When people were stuck at home all year, they were starved for entertainment. A new Perry concert might have went over big. This is just further proof Perry doesn't want to tour or do anything like that.
You guys should have known this back when he did the Eels shows and could barely sing any version of a Journey song.
bellairepark73 wrote:ummm....I beg to differ. He got right back into his stride after 1 show. The fact that he did 3 of them was incredible. If Perry thought his voice was trash, he would have NEVER had done any of them. And yes, he did sing them WELL. And DO NOT FORGET, that he did the spontaneous song on the red carpet at the NEED FOR SPEED premiere in 2014. And I and 200 others heard him live, acapella in Rhode Island at the breast cancer event, in 2019. He was so SMOOTH, with no roughness in his voice, AT ALL.
bellairepark73 wrote:
ummm....I beg to differ. He got right back into his stride after 1 show. The fact that he did 3 of them was incredible. If Perry thought his voice was trash, he would have NEVER had done any of them. And yes, he did sing them WELL. And DO NOT FORGET, that he did the spontaneous song on the red carpet at the NEED FOR SPEED premiere in 2014. And I and 200 others heard him live, acapella in Rhode Island at the breast cancer event, in 2019. He was so SMOOTH, with no roughness in his voice, AT ALL.
The_Noble_Cause wrote:bellairepark73 wrote:ummm....I beg to differ. He got right back into his stride after 1 show. The fact that he did 3 of them was incredible. If Perry thought his voice was trash, he would have NEVER had done any of them. And yes, he did sing them WELL. And DO NOT FORGET, that he did the spontaneous song on the red carpet at the NEED FOR SPEED premiere in 2014. And I and 200 others heard him live, acapella in Rhode Island at the breast cancer event, in 2019. He was so SMOOTH, with no roughness in his voice, AT ALL.
Didn't he do 3 songs with Eels at each show? Using basic math, he's performed 11 songs live in almost 30 years. Not really the strongest case that he is going to tour someday. It's over.
Onestepper wrote:Oh good grief. The guy did a multi-week media tour during the launch of Traces. At any one of those interviews, he could have done a live song under the most controlled and preferred circumstances for him to sound his best. He did none.
It's just amazing that people can't see what is right in front of their eyes.
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