The Joseph R Biden Presidential Thread

[Aaron]

Opinions vary ...

SCOTUS - Gun law relaxing NYC; RvW; and then the EPA ruling. Insanity...

[Aaron]

You mean they don't represent your personal view.

SCOTUS - Gun law relaxing NYC; RvW; and then the EPA ruling. Insanity...

Here is the issue...both W and Trump lost the popular vote but won their election. Combine that with McConnell ignoring the nomination of Merrick Garland. You end up with six justices nominated by Republicans, and a far right conservative majority that does not represent the people.

Voting matters....Democrats and Liberals should now know that.

[Aaron]

All true. However, the Gennie is out of the bottle on guns. Most crimes are commitment by illegal guns and there is enough guns in the general population that it's not fixable IMO, regardless of laws. And don't forget, criminals are criminals because they don't follow the law.

I acknowledge there is a certain level
Of bias present.

Indeed. Very dangerous and IMHO sets the USA back further still....on the same path the Orange Sphincter was sending the country.

Impossible to eliminate. We are currently on a very destructive path that I am not optimistic about
It changing for the better. We have a huge Gun violence problem that we are not willing to address head on.
Some of our most beautiful cities are being turned into crime wastelands and on and on.

[Aaron]

Truth for sure.

Dreadful. Horrible. For all people.... Sad.

[Aaron]

Man, you just called me a stupid and an asshole. Jeezus, I wouldn't do that. This is the kind of crap I'm talking about, when you can't talk issues you move to name calling. I'd bet a significant amount of $ that I am more educated than you. If you want to gain any traction with me, your comments are going to have to get a lot stronger.

The arrogance of those type of comments is shocking.

This is ridiculous....he supposed to have secrets about our nuclear arsenal. This absolutely ridiculous. He could have given this stuff to his boyfriend in Korea, or his idol in Russia. How could ANYBODY *NOT* want every property Trump has be "raided" and searched. The guy is a nut.

I've seen a few still defending him without question. I can understand someone being a Republican (don't get that way of thinking, especially now the party is hard right), but I have come to the conclusion that if you are a ardent Trump supporter you are either blindingly stupid or a complete asshole. maybe both.

[Aaron]

I have never understood that level of arrogance. I reckon you'll be banning me too. It's the only way to maintain control of people that don't agree with your view.

The dusch resident can only bring this much attention? Why is that?

Because it seems a lot of Journey fans are RWNJs and I banned a bunch for being totally objectionable. I have no respect for hard right wingers. It ain't 1950 anymore. No big loss as they only ever banged on about one side of the equation.

[Aaron]

I think a lot of the general problems we all seeing are being driven by the internet. The ability to obtain anonymity on the internet has emboldened people IMO. I believe this anonymity has elevated people's bad behavior and and reduced tolerance of people with opposing views.

I've been as guilty as anyone getting rev'd up on a topic. I've tried to temper my responses. I've been a part of this community for 20 plus years and I've taken that time to treat people here like I would my friends in person. I realize this may have been a mistake as people here don't have the experience with me in person which may lead to misinterpretation of my comments. I'll try to do better.

I'm disappointed in responses from people with different views. The level of arrogance is amazing. I find it very disheartening the lack of tolerance of people with a different view. One of my very best friends has a completely different view than I. I like that, we can talk on issues and learn from each other. I'd like to see more of that.

[Monker]

You mean they don't represent your personal view.

SCOTUS - Gun law relaxing NYC; RvW; and then the EPA ruling. Insanity...

Here is the issue...both W and Trump lost the popular vote but won their election. Combine that with McConnell ignoring the nomination of Merrick Garland. You end up with six justices nominated by Republicans, and a far right conservative majority that does not represent the people.

Voting matters....Democrats and Liberals should now know that.

No. Neither W nor Trump were elected by a majority vote. Therefore the judges they appointed were not represented by the majority of the people. Then add in Merrick Garland and McConnell refusing to hold hearings or vote his confirmation. The Supreme Court no longer has a membership that represents the will of the people. A minority in this country has manipulated their political views into the court. It is a court of politics, not law.

[Aaron]

100% correct and by design by the Founders. McConnell is just as bad as Garland. You may not like the result, but the SCOTUS was implemented as designed by the Founders. I'm betting if it was the other way you'd have no issue with the result.

No. Neither W nor Trump were elected by a majority vote. Therefore the judges they appointed were not represented by the majority of the people. Then add in Merrick Garland and McConnell refusing to hold hearings or vote his confirmation. The Supreme Court no longer has a membership that represents the will of the people. A minority in this country has manipulated their political views into the court. It is a court of politics, not law.

[Andrew]

Trump is a disrupter which is why he is so hated.

Nah, he's just a crook. A liar, a blatant racist, a compulsive liar and an enabler of other nut jobs like DeSantis, Lake, Walker, MTG etc...

Republicans need to stop raising up unqualified nut jobs just to piss off "the left".

[Andrew]

You do realize the 2nd Amendment was put into place to keep a tyrannical government from taking over the county. Freedom has a price.

I think your view of conservatives is very distorted based on my experience. What I miss is having an open conversation without name calling, etc.

2nd A is 200 years old and 100 years out of date.

As are most conservative talking points. The world moves on folks...get over it!

[Aaron]

And you still can't do it. I don't work on talking points, I work on my experience. Again, that arrogance is impressive. When you come over here to live I might listen a little more.

You do realize the 2nd Amendment was put into place to keep a tyrannical government from taking over the county. Freedom has a price.

I think your view of conservatives is very distorted based on my experience. What I miss is having an open conversation without name calling, etc.

2nd A is 200 years old and 100 years out of date.

As are most conservative talking points. The world moves on folks...get over it!

[Aaron]

Do you watch anything other than CNN or MSMBC? I actually live here sir.

I have bad news for you, Lake, MTG, DeSantis etc. are gaining traction. I'm not sure why you have to use nut jobs to describe them. What do you see as their values that you disagree with?

Trump is a disrupter which is why he is so hated.

Nah, he's just a crook. A liar, a blatant racist, a compulsive liar and an enabler of other nut jobs like DeSantis, Lake, Walker, MTG etc...

Republicans need to stop raising up unqualified nut jobs just to piss off "the left".

[Andrew]

Again, that arrogance is impressive. When you come over here to live I might listen a little more.

I wanted to more than anything for a number of years....been to the states 15 times.

Now you couldn't pay me to live there. Divisions are too obvious thanks to Trump's divisive rhetoric and conservatives trying to turn the country back to 1950.

[Andrew]

Do you watch anything other than CNN or MSMBC?

I don't watch CNN or MSNBC. Neither are available in Australia. Do you only watch Fox? That ain't here either, but we do have Sky news, which is part of the Murdoch media poison, it tries to mirror Fox's right wing, scare tactics.

I do get a wide range of news media sources across my desk, I'm well aware of the bias in any given platform and others that are neutral (getting fewer these days sadly).

Walker - almost as many lies as Trump.
Desantis - people smuggling asshole.
Lake - absolute nutter who refuses to accept last election result.
MTG - as dumb as a fucking plank of wood and less useful. If she was a progressive, I'd be embarrassed to be associated with her. Moron. Poisonous.
Boebert - total hypocrite and even stupider than MTG.

God, it goes on an on....so many fucking lunatics!!! Just really stupid people representing a good number of people who all deserve better.

And here's the thing - I don't watch news coverage and commentary on these people - I see their press conferences, I see their rallies, I watch live-streams as I've always been interested in US politics. I judge them on what they actually say. Horrifyingly stupid, inaccurate and downright deceitful.

Time to get some brains back into politics.

[Monker]

100% correct and by design by the Founders. McConnell is just as bad as Garland. You may not like the result, but the SCOTUS was implemented as designed by the Founders. I'm betting if it was the other way you'd have no issue with the result.

No. Neither W nor Trump were elected by a majority vote. Therefore the judges they appointed were not represented by the majority of the people. Then add in Merrick Garland and McConnell refusing to hold hearings or vote his confirmation. The Supreme Court no longer has a membership that represents the will of the people. A minority in this country has manipulated their political views into the court. It is a court of politics, not law.

Prove it. Show me ANY evidence that the founders installed the electoral college because they wanted the ability for the supreme court to be out of touch with the majority of the country. Show me ANY evidence that the founders wanted to give the ability to stall a supreme court nominee to oblivion so the next President could nominate someone else.

You are flat out wrong.

[Monker]

Wow, and this coming from you? You arrogance is astounding.

Why so little discussion on Brandon's thread? He must be doing such a great job there's not comments to make. Inquiring minds want to know.

Because when you say things like "Brandon's thread", all you are doing is trolling for a reply to an insult, and you are not even attempting to "discuss" anything. It is the same thing with your "killing babies" post. People gave up on this thread, and the Trump thread, a very long time ago for any type of real "discussion", free of trolling and insults.

You just do not like the fact that I am calling you out for the very things you are accusing others of. Calling me arrogant for pointing out the obvious shows that you are doing nothing but trolling the accusation. It is also incredibly arrogant to call the forum owner arrogant. It's Andrew's forum, he can act however he wants. He's God here.

[Monker]

Do you watch anything other than CNN or MSMBC? I actually live here sir.

I have bad news for you, Lake, MTG, DeSantis etc. are gaining traction. I'm not sure why you have to use nut jobs to describe them. What do you see as their values that you disagree with?

Trump is a disrupter which is why he is so hated.

Nah, he's just a crook. A liar, a blatant racist, a compulsive liar and an enabler of other nut jobs like DeSantis, Lake, Walker, MTG etc...

Republicans need to stop raising up unqualified nut jobs just to piss off "the left".

Because they ARE nuts. The stunt DeSantis did with the immigrants should have put him in jail. Almost every time MTG opens her mouth shows how insane she is. She went on a rampage that the election was fake...now she claims Biden is the President but her husband has proof of widespread fraud....something Trump and his nutty lawyers could not prove in 60 cases. It is all bullshit talk and lies that people like you believe. There was no widespread fraud...it's a lie. When asked in debate what she had accomplished for her district, MTG could not name ANYTHING. She is only there to get a paycheck, and for the power she feels....she is obviously not there to work for the people she represents.

[Monker]

You do realize the 2nd Amendment was put into place to keep a tyrannical government from taking over the county. Freedom has a price.

I think your view of conservatives is very distorted based on my experience. What I miss is having an open conversation without name calling, etc.

2nd A is 200 years old and 100 years out of date.

As are most conservative talking points. The world moves on folks...get over it!

And, if somebody like Aaron is going to get into why the 2nd ammendment is put in place, they need to actually read it because "a well formed malitia" is part of that amendment. Meaning, it was NEVER meant as a general right for the people, but only those who are part of what at that time was basically what the National Guard is today. It was NEVER intended to give the right to the people to own AR15's or kill children in schools. This is why it needs to be reconsidered and rewritten...it no longer even applies to the current times because militia groups no longer are the main defense for the states, or the country as a whole.

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed

[Monker]

You do realize the 2nd Amendment was put into place to keep a tyrannical government from taking over the county. Freedom has a price.

Prove it. Quote some founders. Quote the federalist papers.

You have NO CLUE what you are talking about. The founders were obsessed with the militia, and they did NOT want a standing army, which we have today. The amendment was put in place to try to ensure the states were defended by a militia...not to give individuals rights, and not to give the ability for the population to rise up and revolt. Those are myths that you have bought into.

[Andrew]

Please America. Vote with your brains.

NO NUT JOBS!

[Andrew]

Not a bad result. A few nut jobs cutoff at the knees.

The Orange Sphincter handed a bunch of endorsed losses. Fuck off forever you despicable shitbarrel.

[Monker]

Not a bad result. A few nut jobs cutoff at the knees.

The Orange Sphincter handed a bunch of endorsed losses. Fuck off forever you despicable shitbarrel.

Yep...the worst performance in a mid-term election from the party not in power in decades. And, yes, Trump and his candidates losing is to blame for it....and abortion being more of an issue than people expected.

Kari Lake and Boebert may both lose.
Herschel Walker may lose in a run-off in December.
Desantis won and he may be way over confident considering how his type of politics (Trump like) went nationally.

[Aaron]

Nah, you don't live here and don't know. You believe what you see on MSNBC. Trump hasn't helped across the isle but other side was worse, they just weren't straight forward. Trump will tell you what he thinks. From a person that lives here, doesn't visit.

Again, that arrogance is impressive. When you come over here to live I might listen a little more.

I wanted to more than anything for a number of years....been to the states 15 times.

Now you couldn't pay me to live there. Divisions are too obvious thanks to Trump's divisive rhetoric and conservatives trying to turn the country back to 1950.

[Aaron]

Yep I'll prove it. Exactly what incapable say that can't participate in the discussion. I'm not a fan of your approach. I'll try to prove it.

100% correct and by design by the Founders. McConnell is just as bad as Garland. You may not like the result, but the SCOTUS was implemented as designed by the Founders. I'm betting if it was the other way you'd have no issue with the result.

No. Neither W nor Trump were elected by a majority vote. Therefore the judges they appointed were not represented by the majority of the people. Then add in Merrick Garland and McConnell refusing to hold hearings or vote his confirmation. The Supreme Court no longer has a membership that represents the will of the people. A minority in this country has manipulated their political views into the court. It is a court of politics, not law.

Prove it. Show me ANY evidence that the founders installed the electoral college because they wanted the ability for the supreme court to be out of touch with the majority of the country. Show me ANY evidence that the founders wanted to give the ability to stall a supreme court nominee to oblivion so the next President could nominate someone else.

You are flat out wrong.

[Aaron]

Dude why do you care. You don't live here.

Please America. Vote with your brains.

NO NUT JOBS!

[Aaron]

I'm not sure what you're reading or watching. I've not run the math but the bad orange man is batting at least .850. It's terrible ....

Not a bad result. A few nut jobs cutoff at the knees.

The Orange Sphincter handed a bunch of endorsed losses. Fuck off forever you despicable shitbarrel.

[Aaron]

Prove it sir. LOL

You do realize the 2nd Amendment was put into place to keep a tyrannical government from taking over the county. Freedom has a price.

Prove it. Quote some founders. Quote the federalist papers.

You have NO CLUE what you are talking about. The founders were obsessed with the militia, and they did NOT want a standing army, which we have today. The amendment was put in place to try to ensure the states were defended by a militia...not to give individuals rights, and not to give the ability for the population to rise up and revolt. Those are myths that you have bought into.

[Andrew]

Nah, you don't live here and don't know. You believe what you see on MSNBC. Trump hasn't helped across the isle but other side was worse, they just weren't straight forward. Trump will tell you what he thinks. From a person that lives here, doesn't visit.

Don't watch MSNBC. Don't get it here. I must have been mistaken as to what country I chose to hold 5 MRF events in...seeing that I've never been to the US.

[Andrew]

Dude why do you care. You don't live here.

Please America. Vote with your brains.

NO NUT JOBS!

I think the USA needs outsides to care about it's future. A healthy America helps the world at large.