The FOUR Times Indicted Crook Thread

[Boomchild]

Wow, this situation is really exploding with lots of very interesting (and very helpful) information. So keeping in mind how Obama and various high ranking dems have been vigorously pushing the idea that Russia recently hacked the U.S. and it's election, their agenda is quite obvious, as we find out that under the Obama administration a huge spy/hack ring was operating secretly out of Germany and neighboring geographical locations. Get it now? Obama knew it was happening for a fact outside of U.S. soil. Obama and various top dems knew this before wikileaks made this information public.

What I don't get is why the lib dems are so upset about this whole wikileaks thingamajig. Wikileaks has ensured that Obama and his administration is the most transparent in history, just like how Obama boasted it would be. Oh I know, when Obama said it would be the most transparent in history, he actually meant he and his administration would pick and choose what components of his administration would be transparent. Well, too bad, wikileaks has taken away that luxury of pick and choose for ya. This is your admin and your admin owns every bit, ever piece of this huge corruption ring.

Yeah, the Obama administration was transparent all right. Transparent as a concrete wall.

[JBlake]

Wow, this situation is really exploding with lots of very interesting (and very helpful) information. So keeping in mind how Obama and various high ranking dems have been vigorously pushing the idea that Russia recently hacked the U.S. and it's election, their agenda is quite obvious, as we find out that under the Obama administration a huge spy/hack ring was operating secretly out of Germany and neighboring geographical locations. Get it now? Obama knew it was happening for a fact outside of U.S. soil. Obama and various top dems knew this before wikileaks made this information public.

What I don't get is why the lib dems are so upset about this whole wikileaks thingamajig. Wikileaks has ensured that Obama and his administration is the most transparent in history, just like how Obama boasted it would be. Oh I know, when Obama said it would be the most transparent in history, he actually meant he and his administration would pick and choose what components of his administration would be transparent. Well, too bad, wikileaks has taken away that luxury of pick and choose for ya. This is your admin and your admin owns every bit, ever piece of this huge corruption ring.

Yeah, the Obama administration was transparent all right. Transparent as a concrete wall.

Well that is until wikileaks straightened out their shit.

[Monker]

Wow, this situation is really exploding with lots of very interesting (and very helpful) information. So keeping in mind how Obama and various high ranking dems have been vigorously pushing the idea that Russia recently hacked the U.S. and it's election, their agenda is quite obvious, as we find out that under the Obama administration a huge spy/hack ring was operating secretly out of Germany and neighboring geographical locations. Get it now? Obama knew it was happening for a fact outside of U.S. soil. Obama and various top dems knew this before wikileaks made this information public.

What I don't get is why the lib dems are so upset about this whole wikileaks thingamajig. Wikileaks has ensured that Obama and his administration is the most transparent in history, just like how Obama boasted it would be. Oh I know, when Obama said it would be the most transparent in history, he actually meant he and his administration would pick and choose what components of his administration would be transparent. Well, too bad, wikileaks has taken away that luxury of pick and choose for ya. This is your admin and your admin owns every bit, ever piece of this huge corruption ring.

This just shows how naive and biased you truly are. This stuff has been going on for decades. Just as with Snowden, you try to blame ONE President when the reality is, in this case, it has been happening since PC's first became available and especially when the internet became public...and that would date back to Reagan and GW Bush.

[Monker]

Hey monker, you want to bitch about Rutherford B. Hayes ? Hell, he lost the popular vote, electorial vote when 20% obstained from voting.

Why should I care? I'm not complaining that Trump won. I'm complaining that Trump is acting like a clueless idiot who doesn't know what he is doing and blames everybody else instead of taking responsibility for his own failings.

Take Obamacare. Since the current proposal that he endorsed seems DOA because Tea Partyers do not support it (which I warned about before this even was proposed)...HIS answer is to let Obamacare fail and then blame Obama. Yeah, good plan there...kick 11 million voters off of their healthcare under your watch and try to blame somebody else...good plan.

He FAILS at every turn. He is incompitent. He runs government like he ran his casinos...but when his Presidency fails, he can't just declare Chapter 11 and move on. Or, maybe he thinks he can he is dumb enough to believe some such crap.

[JBlake]

What I find completely fascinating about this wikileaks situation goes a little something like this. I compare it to a lawsuit. In a lawsuit all evidence needs to be provided up front. Not like in the movies where the prosecution keeps the smoking gun hidden and unknown to the defense up until the day in court. But in this wikileaks situation, they let the dems lie and cover up and then release more docs to prove the dems are lying and covering up. I'm loving it.

[Monker]

In a lawsuit all evidence needs to be provided up front. Not like in the movies where the prosecution keeps the smoking gun hidden and unknown to the defense up until the day in court.

You obviously have not seen "My Cousin Vinny".

[Monker]

You were bitching about Nixon, going back 50 years ago.

Absolutely....when TNC goes and implies he was advancing America. He didn't. He left the country in a mess that took three Presidents to mostly clean up.

Clinton has been impeached since then.

Yep...and he left the office more popular than Trump did as he entered.

I just thought you'd want a case where democrats really got screwed.

Why should I care? I'm not a Democrat. And, back then, a Republican of today would more likely support the Democrats, and the Democrats of today would support the Republicans. So, it really doesn't matter.

Democrats are responsible for Obamacare 100% You all wrote it, told Republicans to sit in the back seat, then passed it on your own, so own it.

That is complete bullshit. First of all, I didn't write it and I'm not a Democrat. And, at that time, my opinion was that it was the wrong time...the economy was so screwed up that it should take priority instead of ObamaCare.

Second, there was hearing after hearing after hearing trying to get Republicans involved. Obama even dropped "the public option" and did not get any support. There is a story about one senator complaining about the rule about taxing medical equipment, or whatever, and Obama replied saying that was a good point so if that is removed, what are you willing to give up...and there was no answer. That is not negotiations...that is obstruction.

Remember, there was already a plan in place to obstruct EVERYTHING OBAMA WANTED when ObamaCare was in the hearings. He was never going to get any good faith negotiations. No Republican was ever going to vote for it (or the stimulus) no matter what he said or did. So, IMO, he pushed ObamaCare early because he knew that it would never get done after the mid-term election.

Trump shouldn't have to worry about it. Liberals are looking for anything to put THEIR blame on Trump. At least Republicans are reading shit before they vote on it. If anyone is getting screwed because of this deal, it's because Democrats had a a shitty Bill written, didn't read it before they voted on it, and made damn sure it passed. Voters share some blame also. Everyone of them that voted for Obama in 2012 has no right to bitch now.

You are just wrong. They are pushing it through committees so fast that REPUBLICANS are saying they need to slow down. They are having 0 Senate hearings...compared to 12 hearings for ObamaCare. REPUBLICANS are saying they can't vote for it and it will be DOA in the Senate. Again, Trump gets NOTHING DONE...because he does not know how to legislate.

The bottom line is if ObamaCare fails with a Republican Congress and a Republican President, then the Republicans ruled and allowed 11 million people become uninsured. It will be their fault...just as it would be their fault if Social Security failed.

If you want to fix ObamaCare, fine...work with the Democrats and FIX IT. The Republicans are picking a fight at their own peril...and Trump is acting like a whiney bitch because of it.

[Monker]

"The bottom line is if ObamaCare fails with a Republican Congress and a Republican President, then the Republicans ruled and allowed 11 million people become uninsured. It will be their fault...just as it would be their fault if Social Security failed."

BULLSHIT ! Democrats wrote it, passed it, and own it. any Republican ideas were file thirteened. Not one Republican voted for it. Democrats jammed it through by themselves. Now it's failing and dying and you want to share blame? Horse shit.

You are not a Democrat? Then what? Communist? Socialist? Denile is a river in Africa.

....and it survived around 6yrs under Obama...

Trump has to govern. That includes managing Obamacare. If he can't govern, or refuses to, he should resign.

I am not "sharing blame". If Trump and the Republican congress KNOW Obamacare is failing and they "allow it to happen" (which means they do not even try to stop it), then THEY are to blame and nobody else.

And, it won't matter what you or I think...it will matter what all of those voters on the exchanges think.

I am an independent. I have never tied myself to any party and I never will. A socialist would have been for Bernie...and as TNC can remind you, I was totally against Bernie. TNC is the most liberal person on this forum (according to TNC anyway), not me.

IMO, it's obvious that this current TrumpCare bill is going to fail to get the votes in congress. Paul Ryan, and Trump did their half-assed best. You all say Trump won at least partially because voters were tired of nothing getting done in Washington. Looks like nothing has changed.

[The_Noble_Cause]

A socialist would have been for Bernie...and as TNC can remind you, I was totally against Bernie. TNC is the most liberal person on this forum (according to TNC anyway), not me.

For once, I agree.

[The_Noble_Cause]

What, you thought we were so innocent?

The fake outrage over "Russia hacking" requires that we pretend we are. Obama tried to influence Brexit. Nixon/Kissinger overthrew Chile's Allende who later blew his brains out. Hacking 2 websites, if true, is small change.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Trump is so unpredictable in what he says and does that I would expect some Republicans to support an independent investigation of Trumps relationship with Russia. He is ACTING guilty...and people can see that.

Not really. His tweets mocking Schumer and Pelosi for meeting with Putin proves that comedy is a great weapon. Trump is Trump. The Dems just look desperate.

Nobody in this thread even mentioned the CIA until you. What you are saying above is simply more conspiracy theory bullshit.

CIA support of Hillary ran in major publications. So did the CIA deal with Amazon. Links included below., That’s not a conspiracy theory. You are just uninformed, as usual. The “Russia hacked the election” story – which doesn’t even make any sense – is pure tin foil nuttery.

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/05/opin ... .html?_r=0
http://wapo.st/2lfQ4EB?tid=ss_tw
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/03/o ... 016-221276
https://www.thenation.com/article/amazo ... -contract/

Yep, and if you look back, I stopped posting after Comey's remarks about reopening the Clinton investigation due to new Emails. When that happened, I knew it would hurt her pretty bad.

Polls did not bear that out. Hillary was still overwhelmingly pegged to be the winner. Democrats, like you, are just reaching for anything to justify the party’s failure for nominating a horrible candidate. It was Comey…it was Putin….it was Fox News...etc. C’mon, Hillary had every advantage in the world and she still lost. An actual video of Trump grabbing a pussy could have came out and he still would have won. That’s how universally disliked Hillary was and you totally missed it!

Except I was saying it before they were. For Clinton, I was saying it before she even announced. For Russia, I was saying after Spicer's first news conference where everything he said was a lie.

So you were saying the DNC and Podesta emails were hacked by Russia before it even happened? Prove it. Unless you are a time traveler, that makes no sense.

Oh, so you are now saying Trump may be killed?

What do you think?

After being handed off an economy near depression, industries failing, huge numbers of unemployment each month...and then correcting all of that...Obama left America in decline.

The election results speak for themselves. Democratic policies need to have tangible results. Everybody on Obamacare that I know hates it. The economy’s gain have all been low paying service jobs.

And, Nixon was not 'fighting the good fight'. He was lying, abusing his authority as President to hide evidence, firing his Attorney General in an effort to control the Justice Department and end the Watergate investigation. All with an attitude that he did nothing wrong and the President can not break the law because he's "President".

As Ralph Nader is fond of saying, Nixon was the last liberal president we truly had – EPA, Affirmative Action, War on Cancer, Price Caps. Tricky Dick even toyed with guaranteed income at one point.

Whatever. But, it does explain why you have no issue with Trump and his spokespeople lying, Trump governing by executive order, and over-all acting like a crazed megalomaniac and narcissist....pretty close to what Nixon did.

Obama began legislating by executive order towards the end because he finally realized the system is broken. Trump is not going to waste his term trying to play nicey-nicey with the opposition.

[Boomchild]

[Monker]

Monker wrote:
Trump is so unpredictable in what he says and does that I would expect some Republicans to support an independent investigation of Trumps relationship with Russia. He is ACTING guilty...and people can see that.

Not really. His tweets mocking Schumer and Pelosi for meeting with Putin proves that comedy is a great weapon. Trump is Trump. The Dems just look desperate.

All I will say is this Russia thing is not going away any time soon. Trump's tweets are not going to stop it. In fact, his accusations towards Obama "tapping his wires" only deepened the investigation. what an idiot.

Monker wrote:
Nobody in this thread even mentioned the CIA until you. What you are saying above is simply more conspiracy theory bullshit.


CIA support of Hillary ran in major publications.

Blah, blah, blah. Nobody has even mentioned this. Clinton is pretty much irrelevent now. We were talking about Donald Judas Trump and his connection to Russia.

Monker wrote:
Yep, and if you look back, I stopped posting after Comey's remarks about reopening the Clinton investigation due to new Emails. When that happened, I knew it would hurt her pretty bad.


Polls did not bear that out.

That's not true. Nationaly, Trump was within %5. I would have to look this up, but I think many of the toss up states were within the margin of error.

It is a LIE to say the polls did not match the results. They did, almost perfectly. They were just not interpreted very well.

Democrats, like you,

I'm not a Democrat. But, I am even less a subscriber to Trump.

C’mon, Hillary had every advantage in the world and she still lost. An actual video of Trump grabbing a pussy could have came out and he still would have won. That’s how universally disliked Hillary was and you totally missed it!

Clinon lost because so few voted. For all of the propaganda about Trump, fewer people voted for him then either Romney or McCain. He did not bring any new people into the party. The truth is people abandoned the party. Clinton was the same way...except it was even worse. She lost because more Democrats abandoned the party and didn't vote then Republicans doing the same. And, yes, I do think Comey reoopening the investiagion was the last straw for many people.

Monker wrote:
Except I was saying it before they were. For Clinton, I was saying it before she even announced. For Russia, I was saying after Spicer's first news conference where everything he said was a lie.

So you were saying the DNC and Podesta emails were hacked by Russia before it even happened? Prove it. Unless you are a time traveler, that makes no sense.

Quit making stuff up. I was saying Clinton would win before she announce she was running.

I was saying the Russia thing was going to be an issue for Trump back in January. The house, senate and FBI all investigating him? Not good.

Monker wrote:
Oh, so you are now saying Trump may be killed?


What do you think?

I think that it would be dangerous for me to say what I think about this online.

Monker wrote:
After being handed off an economy near depression, industries failing, huge numbers of unemployment each month...and then correcting all of that...Obama left America in decline.


The election results speak for themselves. Democratic policies need to have tangible results. Everybody on Obamacare that I know hates it. The economy’s gain have all been low paying service jobs.

The election resulted in Clinton winning the popular vote and a continuing state of protests and an unhappy majority of the country being against what Trump is doing.

The last poll I saw shows ObamaCare being favored by 60% of the population.

I can gaurantee you that not all jobs added to the economy were low paying. I KNOW IT jobs were added because the recession started with layoffs and now they can't find enough people.

Monker wrote:
Whatever. But, it does explain why you have no issue with Trump and his spokespeople lying, Trump governing by executive order, and over-all acting like a crazed megalomaniac and narcissist....pretty close to what Nixon did.

Obama began legislating by executive order towards the end because he finally realized the system is broken. Trump is not going to waste his term trying to play nicey-nicey with the opposition.

Executive orders are not legislation.

Obama did his executive orders because congress was not legislating. Obama slowed down or stopped proposing legislation because anything Obama was for was obstructed. But, that was at the END of his term

Obama got ObamaCare and the stimulus passed in congress...with many hearings and debate. The Republicans rejected Obama's proposals outright and demanded to substitute their own. That is not a minority party negotiating in good faith.

Republicans like to say Obama forced ObamaCare down our throats because they did it without a super majority and they rushed to get it done by the end of the year...and it passed late in December.

Now, look at TrumpCare. We are in MARCH and they are rushing it to get passed. Paul Ryan is saying this is the last chance they will get to repeal/replace ObamaCare. They are attaching it to a budget bill to AVOID the supermajority. Even Senate Republicans are saying to slow down.

If ObamaCare was rushed and forced down their throats, then TrumpCare is a warp speed enema.

This is Trump's ONLY attempt at legislation and it is destined to fail. Next is budgeting The Wall. He will have to face the same split party where Tea Party'ers can spoil and split the Republican majority vote.

[Monker]

If I recall TNC, Obama pumped millions into Israel to defeat Netenyahu. I wonder where those millions came from?

It's a lie: http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/st ... tion-effo/

[trekman]

Why dont the democrats and liberals care how many immigrants/refugees are allowed into the USA? Are they really so naive or stupid to not see what the consequences can and will be?

Is there anyone here that believes in "Open Borders"?

[The_Noble_Cause]

If I recall TNC, Obama pumped millions into Israel to defeat Netenyahu. I wonder where those millions came from?

It's a lie: http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/st ... tion-effo/

Not really. The article just says there is no paper trail. The fact remains that taxpayer money/grants were sent to a non-profit group that hates Netanyahu and supports Palestinian interests. In today's fact-free media environment, where drinking Smirnoff passes as evidence of being KGB, this should be a slam-dunk of Obama election meddling.

[The_Noble_Cause]

All I will say is this Russia thing is not going away any time soon. Trump's tweets are not going to stop it. In fact, his accusations towards Obama "tapping his wires" only deepened the investigation. what an idiot.

Wild-eyed conspiracy mongering about Obama’s birth certificate and Vince Foster’s death also didn’t go away any time soon. Like greyhounds chasing a mechanical rabbit at the track, you’re being led around.

Blah, blah, blah. Nobody has even mentioned this. Clinton is pretty much irrelevent now. We were talking about Donald Judas Trump and his connection to Russia.

You may think that’s the story. Anyone who is actually paying attention (or is not a partisan dolt) knows the story behind the story is the CIA’s proxy war in Syria. You sound EXACTLY like the fools who thought Iraq was predicated on a genuine threat of aluminum tubes and mushroom clouds.

That's not true. Nationaly, Trump was within %5. I would have to look this up, but I think many of the toss up states were within the margin of error.

It is a LIE to say the polls did not match the results. They did, almost perfectly. They were just not interpreted very well.

You obviously don’t understand polling. Hillary’s popular vote win came mostly from California and New York. State-by-state polling had red states even going to Hillary. By the night of the election, Trump had been all but completely written off.







https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LBQdhR--cmY

I'm not a Democrat. But, I am even less a subscriber to Trump.

Bernie and Trump appealed to independents. Meanwhile, u were on here non-stop waving the pom-poms for Hillary. Only the most dyed-in-the-wool Democrats care about the Russia BS.
-Where was your outrage when Donna Brazille sent debate questions in advance to Hillary?
-Where was your outrage over Obama interfering in the Brexit vote?
-Where was your outrage over US involvement in color revolutions to influence elections overseas?

You are just a hypocrite and a shill.

Clinon lost because so few voted.

In other words, she sucked. There wasn’t a freak natural disaster that prevented people from going to the polls. Nobody liked her and yet you were on here carrying water for her and saying she "had permission" to set up a private server in a toilet.

For all of the propaganda about Trump, fewer people voted for him then either Romney or McCain.

More people of color voted for Trump than Romney. Trump also broke the blue wall – states Hillary didn’t even campaign in because she took them as a foregone conclusion. Nobody saw that coming. Hillary, on the other hand, lost blacks, Latinos, females, young voters etc.

He did not bring any new people into the party. The truth is people abandoned the party.

Uhh, I’m a die-hard liberal and I voted for Trump. As mentioned above, Trump got more minorities than Romney. While not scientific, many of my Democrat friends either voted for Gary, Jill, or Trump.

And, yes, I do think Comey reoopening the investiagion was the last straw for many people.

She would have lost regardless. Nobody liked her. We tried warning people, but Democratic hacks like you wouldn't listen.

I was saying the Russia thing was going to be an issue for Trump back in January. The house, senate and FBI all investigating him? Not good.

The FBI is not on record about the parameters of the Trump investigation at all. You are just speculating.

I think that it would be dangerous for me to say what I think about this online.

Pussy. And you say Trump is paranoid for saying he was wire tapped?

The last poll I saw shows ObamaCare being favored by 60% of the population.

Polls don’t mean anything. The election proved this. We are in a completely new paradigm of information.

I can guarantee you that not all jobs added to the economy were low paying. I KNOW IT jobs were added because the recession started with layoffs and now they can't find enough people.

Even if that's the case, it’s the President’s job to communicate to the American people. Many aspects of the New Deal failed, but FDR got re-elected because Americans consistently thought he was fighting on their behalf. Obama didn’t lead and didn’t fight on anything.

Executive orders are not legislation.
Obama did his executive orders because congress was not legislating. Obama slowed down or stopped proposing legislation because anything Obama was for was obstructed. But, that was at the END of his term.

You are just making the case WHY Trump is legislating via executive order NOW instead of wasting precious time.

[Boomchild]

And there you have it....

FBI Actively Cultivated Informants in Best Buy’s Geek Squad

New federal court filings analyzed by the Orange County Weekly reveal a deeper relationship than previously understood between the FBI and members of Best Buy’s Geek Squad. The documents include information about the long-term training and management of Geek Squad staff as FBI informants, who used their access to customers’ computers to actively search for illegal material, primarily child pornography.

http://fortune.com/2017/03/12/rbi-best-buy-geek-squad/

[Monker]

Monker wrote:
All I will say is this Russia thing is not going away any time soon. Trump's tweets are not going to stop it. In fact, his accusations towards Obama "tapping his wires" only deepened the investigation. what an idiot.


Wild-eyed conspiracy mongering about Obama’s birth certificate

I do not recall congress and the FBI investigating Obama's birth certificate.

This is obviously more serious than you will ever admit.

Monker wrote:
That's not true. Nationaly, Trump was within %5. I would have to look this up, but I think many of the toss up states were within the margin of error.

It is a LIE to say the polls did not match the results. They did, almost perfectly. They were just not interpreted very well.

You obviously don’t understand polling. Hillary’s popular vote win came mostly from California and New York. State-by-state polling had red states even going to Hillary. By the night of the election, Trump had been all but completely written off.

You are simply WRONG. You posted links to interpretations of the polls..."best guesses".

So, let's take a look at a couple of these big surprises:

Ohio: The last poll in Ohio had Trump up by 7pts:
Ohio: Trump vs. Clinton vs. Johnson vs. Stein Emerson Trump 46, Clinton 39, Johnson 7, Stein 3 Trump +7

PA : The last poll had Trump up by 1:
Pennsylvania: Trump vs. Clinton vs. Johnson vs. Stein Trafalgar Group (R) Clinton 47, Trump 48, Johnson 2, Stein 1 Trump +1

FL had been in a virtual tie for a couple weeks.

You look at the raw data, not what some site expected to happen...
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls ... elections/

WI amd MI were surprises, but many of these other states should not have been.

Here is RCP's last poll averages. Almost all of the swing states were within the margin of error. But, they give many of them to Clinton because of the history of the poll and if it is traditionaly a Democrat state. They INTERPRETED the polls wrong.
Let's take a look at a few states.




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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LBQdhR--cmY

Monker wrote:
I'm not a Democrat. But, I am even less a subscriber to Trump.

Bernie and Trump appealed to independents. Meanwhile, u were on here non-stop waving the pom-poms for Hillary.[/quote]

That's not true. In fact, you kept complaining that I WAS NOT doing that. I simply kept repeating that she would win.

Only the most dyed-in-the-wool Democrats care about the Russia BS.

Not true again. There are absolutely Republicans who want to understand more about Trump's ties to Russia. You are denying reeality if you deny that...and what you say above is completely false.

-Where was your outrage when Donna Brazille sent debate questions in advance to Hillary?
-Where was your outrage over Obama interfering in the Brexit vote?
-Where was your outrage over US involvement in color revolutions to influence elections overseas?

Where were the FBI and congress?

Monker wrote:
Clinon lost because so few voted.

In other words, she sucked.

The entire election sucked and drove voters away.

Monker wrote:
I was saying the Russia thing was going to be an issue for Trump back in January. The house, senate and FBI all investigating him? Not good.

The FBI is not on record about the parameters of the Trump investigation at all. You are just speculating.

It is enough for me to know that the FBI started this investigation from conversations the NSA intercepted between Trump people and Russia. Once the NSA is involved with all of their tools to LEGALY listen to any phone conversation, Trump is in big trouble.

Monker wrote:
I think that it would be dangerous for me to say what I think about this online.

Pussy. And you say Trump is paranoid for saying he was wire tapped?

I never said anything of the sort. Find it and quote where I called Trump "paranoid".

Monker wrote:
The last poll I saw shows ObamaCare being favored by 60% of the population.

Polls don’t mean anything. The election proved this. We are in a completely new paradigm of information.

You're wrong about this, too. Information and facts are static. Donald Judas Trump can't change that.

Monker wrote:
Executive orders are not legislation.
Obama did his executive orders because congress was not legislating. Obama slowed down or stopped proposing legislation because anything Obama was for was obstructed. But, that was at the END of his term.

You are just making the case WHY Trump is legislating via executive order NOW instead of wasting precious time.

Then he is proving himself an idiot. He has both houses of congress...NOW is the time to legislate, just as Obama did.

But, he is proving that he CAN'T, he doesn't know how. His first attempt, to repeal and replace ObamaCare, is on the edge of failure.

[Boomchild]

[verslibre]

http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/13/politics/sean-spicer-donald-trump-wiretapping/index.html?adkey=bn

Spicer: Trump didn't mean wiretapping when he tweeted about wiretapping

...But Monday, Spicer was open to providing an interpretation for Trump's tweet, saying the President told Spicer he was referring to means of surveillance beyond wiretapping in his tweets accusing Obama of doing just that.

[Memorex]

Is there anyone that doesn't think Trump was surveilled? I'm sure Hillary was too. And most of the other candidates. You don't think Obama, et al are being surveilled right now?

When you give agencies like that the tools to monitor, then you strip away most of the checks and balances, and when those agencies are now ideology-driven, what do you think is going to happen?

[verslibre]

Everything and everyone is under surveillance. It's been that way for decades. I just think the article's funny because they keep having Spicer revise their rhetoric.

[verslibre]

Everything and everyone is under surveillance. It's been that way for decades. I just think the article's funny because they keep having Spicer revise their rhetoric.

You forgot to

Put your monocle on and squint, old-timer!

[Monker]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/03/13/hillary-clintons-team-met-russian-ambassador-says-kremlin-spokesman/

What goes around.

"Monker wrote:
All I will say is this Russia thing is not going away any time soon. Trump's tweets are not going to stop it. In fact, his accusations towards Obama "tapping his wires" only deepened the investigation. what an idiot."

How many weeks and still nothing about Trump. It certainly isn't going away now that it's expanding.

How many people have testified before the committees? This is going to take a LONG time.

[Monker]

Everything and everyone is under surveillance. It's been that way for decades. I just think the article's funny because they keep having Spicer revise their rhetoric.

Everybody and everyone has ALL of their electronic communications intercepted and stored by the NSA. All of those communications are then examined by computer programs to find anything of interest to the intelligence community and it is then reviewed. This is different than surveillance...these are public domain signals. If you had the right equipment, you could intercept them, too.

There is nothing stopping the NSA to go back over the past few months and search for other Trump/Russia connections. In fact, I'm certain they did that.

There are not enough people at the CIA/FBI/NSA to watch every microwave oven in the country for something of interest to happen. Yes, the CIA probably has the capability to hack into any device that is connected to the internet. But, to do THAT, IMO, they would need a warrant. If that's not happening, then somebody should take them to court - they would most likely win.

[Monker]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/03/13/hillary-clintons-team-met-russian-ambassador-says-kremlin-spokesman/

What goes around.

"Monker wrote:
All I will say is this Russia thing is not going away any time soon. Trump's tweets are not going to stop it. In fact, his accusations towards Obama "tapping his wires" only deepened the investigation. what an idiot."

How many weeks and still nothing about Trump. It certainly isn't going away now that it's expanding.

How many people have testified before the committees? This is going to take a LONG time.

SEVEN MONTHS of NOTHING !

http://video.foxnews.com/v/535833458000 ... show-clips

Correct. Nobody has even testified. How can there be something when nobody has even testified before the committees?

The FBI investigation is classfied...you are not going to hear anything from that. Well, unless you want more people to leak information. I thought you Republicans wanted the leaks to stop. At least that is what Trump said.

If you want to know what is going on, then you (and FOX) should be calling for an independent and public investigation. Even the committees are classified. So, if FOX, and all you whiners, want ito know more info then you should be screaming for the independent investigation. What does Trump and you Republicans have to hide?

You whine about leaks. You don't want a public investigation, but you whine when you don't get enough info. Hypocrites.

[Boomchild]

Interesting tidbit, Wikileaks is reporting that there have been talks between officials close to Pence and Hillary Clinton have spoken about "impeachment" of Trump.

Julian Assange:

« It should be noted that both the officials close to Pence and Hillary Clinton spoke of moving towards an 'impeachment' not other action. »

[Memorex]

Interesting tidbit, Wikileaks is reporting that there have been talks between officials close to Pence and Hillary Clinton have spoken about "impeachment" of Trump.

Julian Assange:

« It should be noted that both the officials close to Pence and Hillary Clinton spoke of moving towards an 'impeachment' not other action. »

On what grounds? Did he whip out his cigar in the Oval?

[Boomchild]

Interesting tidbit, Wikileaks is reporting that there have been talks between officials close to Pence and Hillary Clinton have spoken about "impeachment" of Trump.

Julian Assange:

« It should be noted that both the officials close to Pence and Hillary Clinton spoke of moving towards an 'impeachment' not other action. »

On what grounds? Did he whip out his cigar in the Oval?

I'm not sure what to make of this at this point. This is all I could find. At least from Wikileaks that is.