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S2M wrote:The Jets didn't win that game, the Vikes lost it....the only props I'll give the Jets is that they kept the score low. 3 turnovers buried the Favre and company....and that short lob that was mere inches from being caught was the difference. I'm not saying the Jets stink, but they were lucky last night.
YoungJRNY wrote:S2M wrote:The Jets didn't win that game, the Vikes lost it....the only props I'll give the Jets is that they kept the score low. 3 turnovers buried the Favre and company....and that short lob that was mere inches from being caught was the difference. I'm not saying the Jets stink, but they were lucky last night.
Nope, the Jets won it, atleast that's what 29-20 means. Picking off Favre for 6 was huge. How can the Vikes lose it when they never even had the lead? Favre did play well in the second half, but tendinitis, ankle problems, and with new allegations against him, this season for the Vikes so far is a disaster.
S2M wrote:YoungJRNY wrote:S2M wrote:The Jets didn't win that game, the Vikes lost it....the only props I'll give the Jets is that they kept the score low. 3 turnovers buried the Favre and company....and that short lob that was mere inches from being caught was the difference. I'm not saying the Jets stink, but they were lucky last night.
Nope, the Jets won it, atleast that's what 29-20 means. Picking off Favre for 6 was huge. How can the Vikes lose it when they never even had the lead? Favre did play well in the second half, but tendinitis, ankle problems, and with new allegations against him, this season for the Vikes so far is a disaster.
Favre's miss on that short lob overthrow was the game....Harvin could has run for 40 yards....field goal...game over. Vikes lost it. Period.
Ehwmatt wrote:What a fuckin wild season so far. I was out of town and didn't watch much football save the last half of the fourth quarter last night, but the results speak for themselves.
S2M wrote:
Favre's miss on that short lob overthrow was the game....Harvin could has run for 40 yards....field goal...game over. Vikes lost it. Period.
Enigma869 wrote:S2M wrote:
Favre's miss on that short lob overthrow was the game....Harvin could has run for 40 yards....field goal...game over. Vikes lost it. Period.
Favre is a fucking fraud and apparently taking sex offending lessons from Ben. Guy is the most overrated QB in the history of the NFL and has way too many fucking apologists! I could care less about the yards, TD's or the bogus consecutive games streak. I've never seen a QB with ONE championship so built up that costs his teams more games with moronic throws and poor decision making! I'd take that rapist Ben over Favre 100 out of 100 times!
YoungJRNY wrote: Didn't boy wonder cheat on Bridget Moynahan
YoungJRNY wrote:
YoungJRNY wrote:S2M wrote:The Jets didn't win that game, the Vikes lost it....the only props I'll give the Jets is that they kept the score low. 3 turnovers buried the Favre and company....and that short lob that was mere inches from being caught was the difference. I'm not saying the Jets stink, but they were lucky last night.
Nope, the Jets won it, atleast that's what 29-20 means. Picking off Favre for 6 was huge. How can the Vikes lose it when they never even had the lead? Favre did play well in the second half, but tendinitis, ankle problems, and with new allegations against him, this season for the Vikes so far is a disaster.
Enigma869 wrote:YoungJRNY wrote:
You and I dont' disagree that everyone should have the presumption of innocence. That said, the guy is a complete fucking moron. As far as I know, this isn't the first time that he's put himself in a position like this. Someone needs to slap the shit out of this guy and stop blaming his transgressions on being "young". At some point, that excuse doesn't work any longer. On another note, the Steelers have proved what I've been saying for years...Ben really isn't that relevant to what they do. That team is all about defense. Always has been and always will be. Even when that fraud Bradshaw was playing, their offense sucked. The Steelers can't win without Polamalu. They've already proven that their QB isn't all that relevant to what they do.
Rockindeano wrote:Call me retarded and or fucked up, but you may have just watched a Super Bowl preview. The Vikings are close...they can run the next six games if they play 4 quarters a game. They got the Packers twice and perhaps one of them will be without Rodgers. Favre is getting in a groove. I know the holdout retirement BS didn't help his 41 yr old ass. He now has Moss and gets rice back in a week. Add to that, there is absolutely no separation in the NFC. And please don't shout out Chicago. They are the worst 4-1 team I have ever seen. It will still come down to Minnesota, Green Bay and a NFC East Team.
Rockindeano wrote:YoungJRNY wrote:S2M wrote:The Jets didn't win that game, the Vikes lost it....the only props I'll give the Jets is that they kept the score low. 3 turnovers buried the Favre and company....and that short lob that was mere inches from being caught was the difference. I'm not saying the Jets stink, but they were lucky last night.
Nope, the Jets won it, atleast that's what 29-20 means. Picking off Favre for 6 was huge. How can the Vikes lose it when they never even had the lead? Favre did play well in the second half, but tendinitis, ankle problems, and with new allegations against him, this season for the Vikes so far is a disaster.
Call me retarded and or fucked up, but you may have just watched a Super Bowl preview. The Vikings are close...they can run the next six games if they play 4 quarters a game. They got the Packers twice and perhaps one of them will be without Rodgers. Favre is getting in a groove. I know the holdout retirement BS didn't help his 41 yr old ass. He now has Moss and gets rice back in a week. Add to that, there is absolutely no separation in the NFC. And please don't shout out Chicago. They are the worst 4-1 team I have ever seen. It will still come down to Minnesota, Green Bay and a NFC East Team.
YoungJRNY wrote:I don't disagree that the city of Pittsburgh and its football team is run, and ALWAYS will be run by the physicality of our defense. It's no secret and everyone and their mother knows what Steelers football is all about: Defense.
Pittsburgh Steelers defensive rank since 1990:
1990: 1
1991: 22
1992: 13
1993: 3
1994: 2
1995: 3
1996: 2
1997: 6
1998: 12
1999: 11
2000: 7
2001: 1
2002: 7
2003: 9
2004: 1
2005: 4
2006: 9
2007: 1
2008: 1
2009: 5
Steelers Super Bowl rings, with a dominant defense before Roethlisberger's emergence: 0.
The Steelers defense, before Ben Roethlisberger's arrival, has topped the NFL's top 10 defense's 10 times from 1990-2003 and finished in the top 5 six times within that time period. Result? 0 Super Bowl rings.
Say what you want, but it's easy to say that even though as DOMINANT as the Steelers defense has been during Pittsburgh football's existence, since Terry Bradshaw, the missing ingredient to propel us over the ledge to Super Bowl champions was the play of the quarterback position.
Ben had one of THEE worst Super Bowl's in XL (second year in the league, age 24) but we would have NEVER made the run we made without his arm, and certainly wouldn't have won in 2008 neither the way he performed on that last drive in Super Bowl XLIII. As good as the Steelers defense always was/is, do you REALLY think that they could of achieved the same results with Kordell fucking Stewart under center? History says no. The X-factor to the Steelers championship runs over the years, was Roethlisberger and if you can't make that correlation, then it's not worth the argument.
Even last season, as bad as the Steelers defense melted down in the 4th QRT, we still ranked #5 overall and only missed the post-season by a game. Roethlisberger threw for over 4,000 yards, 26 td's behind a LOUSY line and a non-existent running game. The Steelers offense is in the pits right now and rank 32 in passing offense. You don't think Ben will give this team the kind of power it needs and how the defense can dictate off of that? The biggest fans of Ben from here on out, is the Steelers defense, as dominant as they are.
Enigma869 wrote:YoungJRNY wrote:I don't disagree that the city of Pittsburgh and its football team is run, and ALWAYS will be run by the physicality of our defense. It's no secret and everyone and their mother knows what Steelers football is all about: Defense.
Pittsburgh Steelers defensive rank since 1990:
1990: 1
1991: 22
1992: 13
1993: 3
1994: 2
1995: 3
1996: 2
1997: 6
1998: 12
1999: 11
2000: 7
2001: 1
2002: 7
2003: 9
2004: 1
2005: 4
2006: 9
2007: 1
2008: 1
2009: 5
Steelers Super Bowl rings, with a dominant defense before Roethlisberger's emergence: 0.
The Steelers defense, before Ben Roethlisberger's arrival, has topped the NFL's top 10 defense's 10 times from 1990-2003 and finished in the top 5 six times within that time period. Result? 0 Super Bowl rings.
Say what you want, but it's easy to say that even though as DOMINANT as the Steelers defense has been during Pittsburgh football's existence, since Terry Bradshaw, the missing ingredient to propel us over the ledge to Super Bowl champions was the play of the quarterback position.
Ben had one of THEE worst Super Bowl's in XL (second year in the league, age 24) but we would have NEVER made the run we made without his arm, and certainly wouldn't have won in 2008 neither the way he performed on that last drive in Super Bowl XLIII. As good as the Steelers defense always was/is, do you REALLY think that they could of achieved the same results with Kordell fucking Stewart under center? History says no. The X-factor to the Steelers championship runs over the years, was Roethlisberger and if you can't make that correlation, then it's not worth the argument.
Even last season, as bad as the Steelers defense melted down in the 4th QRT, we still ranked #5 overall and only missed the post-season by a game. Roethlisberger threw for over 4,000 yards, 26 td's behind a LOUSY line and a non-existent running game. The Steelers offense is in the pits right now and rank 32 in passing offense. You don't think Ben will give this team the kind of power it needs and how the defense can dictate off of that? The biggest fans of Ben from here on out, is the Steelers defense, as dominant as they are.
Listen, I'm on record as someone who believes that Ben is a very good NFL QB. That said, if you take Polamalu off that team, they're winning absolutely NOTHING! If you don't believe me, put in your tapes from last season and the "eyeball test" should vaidate my point!
YoungJRNY wrote: the interior lines that dictates what a player like Polamalu can do
YoungJRNY wrote:But anyway, who do you like this year, JFB?
Enigma869 wrote: He's easily the best defensive player on that team and honestly, for my money, there isn't a defensive player in the NFL I like more.
Saint John wrote:When he's healthy, Ed Reed is one bad dude!
Enigma869 wrote:Saint John wrote:When he's healthy, Ed Reed is one bad dude!
Love Ed Reed's game too. He's the second best Safety in the NFL...behind Polamalu. Troy is the man. Hopefully the fans in Pittsburgh appreciate what a great player this guy is. Remember, Baltimore wins without Reed. Pittsburgh is irrelevant without Polamalu.
Saint John wrote:
I'm gonna correct you when you said "without," John. Ed Reed coaches from the sideline and has been a great teammate while they're "without" him on the field.A lot of guys would just stand on the sideline and watch the game, or be in a press box. This guy is right there encouraging, coaching and firing his teammates up. That's great, and very rare, to see. This guy embodies what it is to be a "teammate."
Um, NO. Polamalu is a special player and what he does is attributable to one thing and one thing only...his immense talent. He's easily the best defensive player on that team and honestly, for my money, there isn't a defensive player in the NFL I like more. Dude is intense and a great, great player!
S2M wrote:This is a very mediocre year for the NFL...an influx of rookie DBs has definitely hurt the outcomes of games. I don't know how many times I've seen these DBs face-guarding, only to be burnt by receiver time and time again...never turning around to find the ball. Memo: If you know your team is getting a decent enough pass rush - gamble. Jump the fucking route. Turn your fucking head around. And not only that....receivers have adapted to the DBs that don't turn around - they don't reach their hands out until the last second...also, play calling this year is appalling. *I* could do a better job at calling offensive plays than a majority of these losers....mix in a little deception in now and again: flea-flicker, hook and ladder....SOMETHING. I've seen FAKE reverses this year....no real ones though. There's nothing better at stopping the over persual of RBs more than reverses...throw in a naked bootleg every once in awhile....and on defense? Jump a fucking slant route sometime...play up on a receiver and knock his ass to the ground in the first 5 yds. or push a Mofo out of bounds while on his route...the NFL has really become sterile.
S2M wrote:This is a very mediocre year for the NFL...an influx of rookie DBs has definitely hurt the outcomes of games. I don't know how many times I've seen these DBs face-guarding, only to be burnt by receiver time and time again...never turning around to find the ball. Memo: If you know your team is getting a decent enough pass rush - gamble. Jump the fucking route. Turn your fucking head around. And not only that....receivers have adapted to the DBs that don't turn around - they don't reach their hands out until the last second...also, play calling this year is appalling. *I* could do a better job at calling offensive plays than a majority of these losers....mix in a little deception in now and again: flea-flicker, hook and ladder....SOMETHING. I've seen FAKE reverses this year....no real ones though. There's nothing better at stopping the over persual of RBs more than reverses...throw in a naked bootleg every once in awhile....and on defense? Jump a fucking slant route sometime...play up on a receiver and knock his ass to the ground in the first 5 yds. or push a Mofo out of bounds while on his route...the NFL has really become sterile.
Enigma869 wrote:S2M wrote:This is a very mediocre year for the NFL...an influx of rookie DBs has definitely hurt the outcomes of games. I don't know how many times I've seen these DBs face-guarding, only to be burnt by receiver time and time again...never turning around to find the ball. Memo: If you know your team is getting a decent enough pass rush - gamble. Jump the fucking route. Turn your fucking head around. And not only that....receivers have adapted to the DBs that don't turn around - they don't reach their hands out until the last second...also, play calling this year is appalling. *I* could do a better job at calling offensive plays than a majority of these losers....mix in a little deception in now and again: flea-flicker, hook and ladder....SOMETHING. I've seen FAKE reverses this year....no real ones though. There's nothing better at stopping the over persual of RBs more than reverses...throw in a naked bootleg every once in awhile....and on defense? Jump a fucking slant route sometime...play up on a receiver and knock his ass to the ground in the first 5 yds. or push a Mofo out of bounds while on his route...the NFL has really become sterile.
The NFL really isn't any different than it's ever been. The only real difference this season is the mediocrity is a bit more widespread. There are a whole lot of teams that simply aren't good. There are other teams (and I count the Patriots among these teams) who really don't know what they are, and then there are the Carolinas and Buffalos who simply suck. At the end of the year, the only thing that I'm supremely confident about is that everyone's pre-season picks for the Super Bowl (Jets and Cowgirls) will only be attending the Super Bowl if they purchase a ticket to attend!
Ehwmatt wrote:Bigger pretender: 09 Broncos at 6-0 or '10 Bears at 4-1?
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