UNFUCKINGBELIEVABLE

[conversationpc]

Arrival" was leagues ahead of "Trial By Fire" and also "Raised on Radio", for that matter. If the exact songs from "Arrival" had been released in the 80s, it would have been a huge album.

Dave - you are so wrong I don't even know where to begin...

Probably because there is nowhere to begin since you are so obviously wrong.

[Rockindeano]

Dean -

Love your review back on page 1. Very cool.

I know. Pretty good writing, wasn't it?

[Moon Beam]

As for "Arrival"...well, I can totally understand why that album flopped...it just wasn't nearly good enough. It sounded like those middle-ranking AOR albums from the 80s which didn't do much back then either. But that's a highly subjective opinion and I guess we'll never know exactly why it failed.

"Arrival" was leagues ahead of "Trial By Fire" and also "Raised on Radio", for that matter. If the exact songs from "Arrival" had been released in the 80s, it would have been a huge album.

Dave I'll give ya Trial By Fire man.....
But Raised On Radio?, and I thought you were cool
(shaking my head)

[NealIsGod]

Moonie, ROR is not cool. Neither is TBF.

[Moon Beam]

Moonie, ROR is not cool. Neither is TBF.

Niggy there is not a poor tune on ROR
(rolling up sleeves and ready to fight)

[Just Mindy]

Moonie, ROR is not cool. Neither is TBF.

You crazy or something?

[Just Mindy]

Moonie, ROR is not cool. Neither is TBF.

Niggy there is not a poor tune on ROR
(rolling up sleeves and ready to fight)

YEAH!!! Get him Moon!!!

[Red13JoePa]

ROR is misjudged, misunderstood, amazing Jrny record.

Made under considerable duress, but that seemed to bring about the creative best.

[NealIsGod]

Moonie, ROR is not cool. Neither is TBF.

Niggy there is not a poor tune on ROR
(rolling up sleeves and ready to fight)

It's an aberration in the Journey catalog. The red-headed stepchild. Sure, it is ok for what it is, but it's just not a great JOURNEY album, IMO.

[Matthew]

ROR is misjudged, misunderstood, amazing Jrny record.

Made under considerable duress, but that seemed to bring about the creative best.

So true....

[Matthew]

Moonie, ROR is not cool. Neither is TBF.

Niggy there is not a poor tune on ROR
(rolling up sleeves and ready to fight)

It's an aberration in the Journey catalog. The red-headed stepchild.

Total crap...but funny.

[Moon Beam]

Moonie, ROR is not cool. Neither is TBF.

Niggy there is not a poor tune on ROR
(rolling up sleeves and ready to fight)

It's an aberration in the Journey catalog. The red-headed stepchild. Sure, it is ok for what it is, but it's just not a great JOURNEY album, IMO.

Awwwwww poor Niggy, we is all ganging up on him.
I'm sorry fella, your right....it's your opinion

[NealIsGod]

Moonie, ROR is not cool. Neither is TBF.

Niggy there is not a poor tune on ROR
(rolling up sleeves and ready to fight)

It's an aberration in the Journey catalog. The red-headed stepchild.

Total crap...but funny.

I don't think your opinion is crap, but that's ok.

All I can say is, after enjoying Infinity, Evolution, Departure, Captured, E5C4P3 and Frontiers, to go to the store and buy ROR as an 18 year old male, it didn't, and still doesn't, qualify as a Journey record. The hits from that one are more likely to be played on Lite stations. I couldn't believe it was the same band I grew up with. Today's version ain't gonna put out anything like that.

[Just Mindy]

I don't think your opinion is crap, but that's ok.

All I can say is, after enjoying Infinity, Evolution, Departure, Captured, E5C4P3 and Frontiers, to go to the store and buy ROR as an 18 year old male, it didn't, and still doesn't, qualify as a Journey record. The hits from that one are more likely to be played on Lite stations. I couldn't believe it was the same band I grew up with. Today's version ain't gonna put out anything like that.

Ok I see your point, it wasn't exactly the same as their earlier records....BUT can you honestly say that you don't like ONE song on ROR or TBF? I find that hard to believe...its still the same lineup (mostly) that you dug in the past, still Neal, and SP, sounding damn fine, IMO.

What about Happy to Give? Or BGTY? Or WYLAW? You really don't like those at all?

And no, I dont see a JSS led Journey doing that type of music...it'll be different, THATS for sure, but I welcome change...you know how much I love JSS

Not attacking, just so curious, is all

[NealIsGod]

Ok I see your point, it wasn't exactly the same as their earlier records....BUT can you honestly say that you don't like ONE song on ROR or TBF? I find that hard to believe...its still the same lineup (mostly) that you dug in the past, still Neal, and SP, sounding damn fine, IMO.

What about Happy to Give?

Ugh. Horrible.

Or BGTY? Or WYLAW?

BGTY is too cheesy, WYLAW is a good tune, but that's on TBF.

[Moon Beam]

It just rubbed ya the wrong way and
you don't like it, that's cool.
I agree that Journey's previous albums
were pure diamonds.

Do you tolerate any of the tracks on ROR Niggy?

[Just Mindy]

Ok I see your point, it wasn't exactly the same as their earlier records....BUT can you honestly say that you don't like ONE song on ROR or TBF? I find that hard to believe...its still the same lineup (mostly) that you dug in the past, still Neal, and SP, sounding damn fine, IMO.

What about Happy to Give?

Ugh. Horrible.

Or BGTY? Or WYLAW?

BGTY is too cheesy, WYLAW is a good tune, but that's on TBF.

I know its on TBF thought you were not happy about both of them

Wow, I really like Happy To Give....

So you can't pick out ONE song that you like on ROR?

Oh NIGGY I'm crushed

[NealIsGod]

I like GCHI, esp. the live version. Other than that, not really. I remember when I went to the record store and saw the cardboard cutouts of the boys with perms and skinny ties, I had a bad feeling about it.

[Matthew]

Moonie, ROR is not cool. Neither is TBF.

Niggy there is not a poor tune on ROR
(rolling up sleeves and ready to fight)

It's an aberration in the Journey catalog. The red-headed stepchild.

Total crap...but funny.

I don't think your opinion is crap, but that's ok.

All I can say is, after enjoying Infinity, Evolution, Departure, Captured, E5C4P3 and Frontiers, to go to the store and buy ROR as an 18 year old male, it didn't, and still doesn't, qualify as a Journey record. The hits from that one are more likely to be played on Lite stations. I couldn't believe it was the same band I grew up with. Today's version ain't gonna put out anything like that.

NIG - you probably do - but you're being a little more polite than I am today.

Well, as an 18 year old male in 1986 I was blown away by ROR. The reason? It features the greatest performance by the greatest singer in the history of rock. So I couldn't care less how "Lite" it is. There's enough on the album from Schon and Cain to make it sound like Journey...but ROR was Perry at his peak and this alone makes it a classic album.

No, today's version of the band won't release a record like that. ROR was a very mid-80s kind of record. But if the new album surprises the fans as much as ROR did then we're on to a good thing. I'll take anything but the plodding predictibility of the Augeri albums.

[NealIsGod]

ROR was a very mid-80s kind of record.

Ah, we agree on this. ROR was an attempt by the band to meld the "Journey" sound with that "mid-80's" sound. That's why I find that ROR does not stand the test of time as their other albums do.

And Matt, I do agree with most of your posts. Esp. the ones about ONJ.

[heardonthestreet]

Nig! Didn't you get to meet Neal last weekend? Hard to believe. He has to know that you're his biggest fan.

[Red13JoePa]

I like GCHI, esp. the live version. Other than that, not really. I remember when I went to the record store and saw the cardboard cutouts of the boys with perms and skinny ties, I had a bad feeling about it.

the skinny, leathur, "Louie, Louie" ties were a fashion abortion. Yet, Neal still pulled it off. What a cool dude.

[NealIsGod]

Nig! Didn't you get to meet Neal last weekend? Hard to believe. He has to know that you're his biggest fan.

Nah, I'm just one of many.

[Moon Beam]

Niggy, how bout the song ROR?

That one gabs me, it's so alive and rockin.
I also fancy WCTNGOF and Happy To Give.

Can't believe you don't like Happy To Give

[Just Mindy]

And Matt, I do agree with most of your posts. Esp. the ones about ONJ.

[frostbite]

I have agreed with Matthew on more than one occasion here and he's a cool guy...but I'm with NIG on this one. I remember taking Raised On Radio home and hating it. I do not know how people accept it as a Journey record. It is foul. "Positive Touch"? OH MY GOD. It is an album full of dire pop and the only reason I thought the title track and "Be Good.." were ok was only in comparison to the rest of the shite on there. A baaaad album...it wouldn't even pass for a Phil Collins album. And he's crap.

On the other hand I think TBF is a fine album. A bit formulaic in places but it's strong. It's a world apart from Raised On Radio which just plain stinks. Even though it's got Perry's voice, he couldn't salvage tripe like "When You Love Somebody". Even typing that song title made me shudder.

[heardonthestreet]

ROR is misjudged, misunderstood, amazing Jrny record.

Made under considerable duress, but that seemed to bring about the creative best.

................................

Ah! Great minds think alike,.............sometimes.

[frostbite]

There's a world of difference between "misunderstood" and "pile of shit". I'd love someone to explain to me why ROR is an "amazing" Journey record as opposed to a bland pop album.

[Matthew]

ROR was a very mid-80s kind of record.

Ah, we agree on this. ROR was an attempt by the band to meld the "Journey" sound with that "mid-80's" sound. That's why I find that ROR does not stand the test of time as their other albums do.

And Matt, I do agree with most of your posts. Esp. the ones about ONJ.

Yes - we're in perfect harmony on that one.

I guess the "mid-80s sound" is the key to it. I LOVE that kind of production. It worked brilliantly on ROR...on Don Henley's "Boys of Summer"...on Heart's "These Dreams"...Foreigner's "That Was Yesterday"...even Springsteen's "Tunnel of Love". But I do understand why some people might not like the synthetic, mechanical production - but for me 1984-1987 was a classic period in AOR.

Does it sound dated? Or just evocative of the era? To me, Boston's first album - an undeniable classic - sounds very mid-70s. But it's still an amazing record.

I don't know...it's hard to judge whether ROR is 'dated' or 'evocative' because the mid-80s is so bound up in nostalgia...but NIG...come on...Perry's voice must have impressed you at least to some extent on that record. Or not?

[Red13JoePa]

There's a world of difference between "misunderstood" and "pile of shit". I'd love someone to explain to me why ROR is an "amazing" Journey record as opposed to a bland pop album.

Everything that made past Journey records great is there. The difference makers are the drum sound, my favorite Perry performance, and my absolute favorite Schon playing.

That a good enough reason?

A good pal of mine called NoMoreTails god bless him will nail me to the wall on this.