BackTalk Creator Weighs In:

[Red13JoePa]

Marty, it would be nice to see a revamp and upgrade on the official site...how 'bout getting rid of "The Nomota Family" moniker? Some of us Perry fans don't like it. If not, then better alter it to read, "The Nomotalippin' Family"!

You know, I almost fell out of my chair when I read the use of the word 'Nomota' on the site...For the longest time, I was under the impression, obviously mistaken, that the meaning of the word and subsequently its use was to be kept quiet.

Hell, no.

The long version of that name is the handle of one our own, best and brightest.

Even if he is too cool to post here anymore.

[bionic]

Is every women poster at back talk a sexually frustrated internet stalker, perry-jihadist, augeri throat slicer or a JSS-assassin? Is every moderator at back talker a power-abusing, power-hungry demon? No....but the fact of the matter is that BT is *very* much a mob. Mob-rules apply over there. You're not willing to turn around and tell CJ or any other mod "This place is disfunctional...we need to change it" and no one currently posting at back talk has the balls to question the job that moderators are doing at BT....because if that happens the poster is quickly silenced and the post itself disappears. Tell me thats healthy!?!

I wouldn’t shy away from telling CJ or anybody else what I felt needed to be done, and indeed I have made suggestions. They may or may not be taken into account but I haven’t been thrown out yet. LOL. However, CJ is more astute than you give her credit for. There are plans in progress for a revamp of the site so maybe we ought to wait to see what happens.

Likewise there are people actively posting on BT (eg Knox, JourneyMojo and others) who are offering dissenting views, but they do so courteously and intelligently. They haven’t been silenced.

...but trust me, there isn't a forum out there where people do H2H for the 18 billionth time. How many times are you going to pit Seperate Ways against Dont Stop Believin before it gets rediculous? 3, 4? These H2H threads have been going on for YEARS!!!! They were getting old back when I left.

Now is it right to critique a board for it's quirkiness. No. If H2H was my biggest complaint...I'd still be an active poster over at BT. The fact of the matter is that H2H is just another symptom and/or explaination of the disfunctional nature of the place.
So in this case, we're talking about two different things. The trivial threads are a result of the 2 things I mention which ruined the place....The fact of the matter is that H2H is done over there because this is the one way the mob can argue over things without getting the Meanie-treatment.

I have to admit I’ve never even looked in one of those threads, much less contributed to one, because they don’t interest me. However, I don’t see any harm in them. They are about as obtrusive as a 316 page Sex, Booze and Sports thread. I don’t see it as a means for political point scoring or a surreptitious way to conduct arguments. It’s a bit of fun – no more and no less.

Marty, respectfully you missed my point above. How long have you been a mod over at BT? Were you a poster prior to becoming a mod? Chances are, you were indoctrinated with the way the mob runs before you were even a moderator. You're simply acting out the role that you feel is appropriate for the given society.

I’ve only been a Mod there for a couple of months, and only posted on BT for a couple of years – a newbie by most standards. However, I do reject your assertion that I’ve been indoctrinated. I post here as often as on BT and if I was likely to be swayed by any mob mentality then surely I’d be agreeing with you and following the mob view here (and believe me the mob culture exists very strongly here too). I’m quite capable of forming an independent opinion and defending it against peer pressure.

So really what you're job exists for, is to stamp out extremely nasty behavior on the part of posters.

Have you done that?!! Absolutely not, I say...and there's no denying that. BT is one of the nastiest band forums on the internet....it's reputation is legendary. You say the wrong thing there, and you're either verbally attacked by a den of ferocious housewives or you're whacked by a moderator.

Hmmnn… not sure if I agree with this either. How does that differ from here, where if you say anything that the self imposed hierarchy on this site disagree with (and they know who they are) you get verbally attacked, insulted and intimidated using a lot more colourful language than that of the so-called ferocious housewives.
I’m not saying BT is any better than here – I enjoy posting on MR too – and I agree that certain things could and should be improved. However it is not one of the nastiest band forums on the internet, and its reputation is legendary among probably no more than a few dozen active forum users – mainly those that have some personal grudge against it. Anybody who thinks otherwise is either spending too much time online or is placing too much importance on such an insubstantial thing as a messageboard.

Now, the tides have changed. Neal and Deeno to some extent has made anti-augeri statements on this very website....so you as moderators, are forced to eat your words.

You now have to enforce a pro-JSS agenda at BT...and squelch the very mob that you created through your actions.

No eating of words here. I was a big fan of JSS long before he joined Journey and have followed him all over the UK on his solo projects. I was one of the very first people to email him congratulations the day the news broke back in July that he was stepping in temporarily.

But, I am also a fan of Augeri. I don’t see why it has to be a case of either/or. I can’t speak for others, but I certainly won’t squelch anybody that has a positive comment to make about any member of Journey past or present, as long as it doesn’t denigrate another member.

Marty

Marty you seem to get upset when BTis mentioned and constantly feel the need to defend them,let it go dude,you are never going to convince people here that BT is anything other than a joke.The whole tape-gate scandel really showed how blind and out of touch so many as i was called them 'Bored Housewives' are.We should accept that this site and the other are for two diffrent kinds of fan, we dont need to go into what that is, you just seem to jump the moment you see BTmentioned...why? Let it go dude enjoy both sites,but remember people are here for a reason and nothing you say will sway what they think of the other site.
On a lighter note if that site was to updated and was about reality had interviews,video's etc then even i would ask to return,but as it stands i and many others do not consider it to be a good place to go for Journey related topics.In the past months of problems i can tell you i have found more truth here than i ever did at BT!

[SteveForever]

Oversexed/Undersexed....isn't it all just logistics?

I'm implying that there's some level of disfunction of a sexual nature. If the woman in question (lets assume that this is mostly a hetero situation) can't get enough of it...and has to suplement it with a Portoguese Sausage obsession ..or the woman in question doesn't get it at all and is ever-governed by the PS fantasy....does it really matter?

NO, you are the one that brought it up Ever seen "Best in Show" made by the same troupe that made "Spinal Tap"? there are loads of underground sub-cultures, all weird!! Journey has become one of those. Most of the population likes even loves Journey songs but they couldn't tell you the current band member's names much less what instruments they play, where they live, who their wives are....its all crazy. Don't you see that's what makes it so beautiful? Its not just the music, its the crazy fans and crazy women that keep it all rollin......

[pdsidd]

Is every women poster at back talk a sexually frustrated internet stalker, perry-jihadist, augeri throat slicer or a JSS-assassin? Is every moderator at back talker a power-abusing, power-hungry demon? No....but the fact of the matter is that BT is *very* much a mob. Mob-rules apply over there. You're not willing to turn around and tell CJ or any other mod "This place is disfunctional...we need to change it" and no one currently posting at back talk has the balls to question the job that moderators are doing at BT....because if that happens the poster is quickly silenced and the post itself disappears. Tell me thats healthy!?!

I wouldn’t shy away from telling CJ or anybody else what I felt needed to be done, and indeed I have made suggestions. They may or may not be taken into account but I haven’t been thrown out yet. LOL. However, CJ is more astute than you give her credit for. There are plans in progress for a revamp of the site so maybe we ought to wait to see what happens.

Likewise there are people actively posting on BT (eg Knox, JourneyMojo and others) who are offering dissenting views, but they do so courteously and intelligently. They haven’t been silenced.

...but trust me, there isn't a forum out there where people do H2H for the 18 billionth time. How many times are you going to pit Seperate Ways against Dont Stop Believin before it gets rediculous? 3, 4? These H2H threads have been going on for YEARS!!!! They were getting old back when I left.

Now is it right to critique a board for it's quirkiness. No. If H2H was my biggest complaint...I'd still be an active poster over at BT. The fact of the matter is that H2H is just another symptom and/or explaination of the disfunctional nature of the place.
So in this case, we're talking about two different things. The trivial threads are a result of the 2 things I mention which ruined the place....The fact of the matter is that H2H is done over there because this is the one way the mob can argue over things without getting the Meanie-treatment.

I have to admit I’ve never even looked in one of those threads, much less contributed to one, because they don’t interest me. However, I don’t see any harm in them. They are about as obtrusive as a 316 page Sex, Booze and Sports thread. I don’t see it as a means for political point scoring or a surreptitious way to conduct arguments. It’s a bit of fun – no more and no less.

Marty, respectfully you missed my point above. How long have you been a mod over at BT? Were you a poster prior to becoming a mod? Chances are, you were indoctrinated with the way the mob runs before you were even a moderator. You're simply acting out the role that you feel is appropriate for the given society.

I’ve only been a Mod there for a couple of months, and only posted on BT for a couple of years – a newbie by most standards. However, I do reject your assertion that I’ve been indoctrinated. I post here as often as on BT and if I was likely to be swayed by any mob mentality then surely I’d be agreeing with you and following the mob view here (and believe me the mob culture exists very strongly here too). I’m quite capable of forming an independent opinion and defending it against peer pressure.

So really what you're job exists for, is to stamp out extremely nasty behavior on the part of posters.

Have you done that?!! Absolutely not, I say...and there's no denying that. BT is one of the nastiest band forums on the internet....it's reputation is legendary. You say the wrong thing there, and you're either verbally attacked by a den of ferocious housewives or you're whacked by a moderator.

Hmmnn… not sure if I agree with this either. How does that differ from here, where if you say anything that the self imposed hierarchy on this site disagree with (and they know who they are) you get verbally attacked, insulted and intimidated using a lot more colourful language than that of the so-called ferocious housewives.
I’m not saying BT is any better than here – I enjoy posting on MR too – and I agree that certain things could and should be improved. However it is not one of the nastiest band forums on the internet, and its reputation is legendary among probably no more than a few dozen active forum users – mainly those that have some personal grudge against it. Anybody who thinks otherwise is either spending too much time online or is placing too much importance on such an insubstantial thing as a messageboard.

Now, the tides have changed. Neal and Deeno to some extent has made anti-augeri statements on this very website....so you as moderators, are forced to eat your words.

You now have to enforce a pro-JSS agenda at BT...and squelch the very mob that you created through your actions.

No eating of words here. I was a big fan of JSS long before he joined Journey and have followed him all over the UK on his solo projects. I was one of the very first people to email him congratulations the day the news broke back in July that he was stepping in temporarily.

But, I am also a fan of Augeri. I don’t see why it has to be a case of either/or. I can’t speak for others, but I certainly won’t squelch anybody that has a positive comment to make about any member of Journey past or present, as long as it doesn’t denigrate another member.

Marty

Marty you seem to get upset when BTis mentioned and constantly feel the need to defend them,let it go dude,you are never going to convince people here that BT is anything other than a joke.The whole tape-gate scandel really showed how blind and out of touch so many as i was called them 'Bored Housewives' are.We should accept that this site and the other are for two diffrent kinds of fan, we dont need to go into what that is, you just seem to jump the moment you see BTmentioned...why? Let it go dude enjoy both sites,but remember people are here for a reason and nothing you say will sway what they think of the other site.
On a lighter note if that site was to updated and was about reality had interviews,video's etc then even i would ask to return,but as it stands i and many others do not consider it to be a good place to go for Journey related topics.In the past months of problems i can tell you i have found more truth here than i ever did at BT!

Why not do as Microsoft do with Apple, acknowledge that the other exists if asked but don't give em good bad or indifferent publicity on anyother count. BT exists MR exists if BT floats your boat the fine, same with MR. If both do then so much the better. They're just forums for heaven's sake - it ain't life or death, is it?

[ohsherrie]

This is the interesting dilhema that BT has right now. As marty has said, the band does give some direction to moderation. This happened moreso after I was gone...as I never really heard something along the lines of "Neal wants all the Perry threads shut down asap"....Regardless, you couldn't deny the fact that there was a definite Anti-Perry undertone to the moderation...sometimes very strong...

The dilhema for BT, is that the if the moderators are forced to quell the growing group of unhappy Augeri fans...they will lose some credibility. How can you, for years and years, show an obvious bias against Perry fans...only to be forced to do it again towards the very fans you 'protected' for years and years.

If the band keeps the messsage board up and running, it'll be interesting to see how the mods handle that.

Especially interesting, in light of the reading I did over there this morning about MR and Andrew. Somehow it was more wrong for Andrew to allow some of his board members to transcribe and proofread his interviews because of alleged anti-Augeri bias than it has been for BT to allow their Augeriheads to determine which Journey fans shall be allow to talk about which Journey members in what way on JOURNEY'S OFFICIAL Website.

[Lula]

This is the interesting dilhema that BT has right now. As marty has said, the band does give some direction to moderation. This happened moreso after I was gone...as I never really heard something along the lines of "Neal wants all the Perry threads shut down asap"....Regardless, you couldn't deny the fact that there was a definite Anti-Perry undertone to the moderation...sometimes very strong...

The dilhema for BT, is that the if the moderators are forced to quell the growing group of unhappy Augeri fans...they will lose some credibility. How can you, for years and years, show an obvious bias against Perry fans...only to be forced to do it again towards the very fans you 'protected' for years and years.

If the band keeps the messsage board up and running, it'll be interesting to see how the mods handle that.

Especially interesting, in light of the reading I did over there this morning about MR and Andrew. Somehow it was more wrong for Andrew to allow some of his board members to transcribe and proofread his interviews because of alleged anti-Augeri bias than it has been for BT to allow their Augeriheads to determine which Journey fans shall be allow to talk about which Journey members in what way on JOURNEY'S OFFICIAL Website.

Now the thread regarding Deen's interview has been closed at his request. I don't think I'll ever understand the reasoning behind the moderation at BT. I am perplexed as to why that thread remained open as long as it did. Deen's words were picked apart and analyzed beyond belief. He was insulted and disrespected. I couldn't care less at this point what others think of me and my choices, but Deen did not deserve to be raked over the coals.

[tammy]

That must've just happened...poor Deen. His character has always been sweet & child-like (that is a compliment!) -- I hope he realizes that many people felt he was just being honest & not intending any insinuations with his story. And I hope that doesn't make him shy away from being open in the future.

Here's CJ's post:


Hello Folks,

I just got off the phone with Deen and he would like to tell you these things:

1: Steve Augeri is a brother and Deen has nothing but love for him.

2: You are reading way too much into the MR interview and his comments.

3:These comments you are making about him not caring about Steve make Deen very unhappy and are simply untrue.

4: He would like you all to know that you are spending way too much of your energy on/over the negatives and would hope that you will all realize that he wishes nothing but the best for Steve, his fans and the band.

[Deen is the most emotional guy with the biggest heart that I know. He gives nothing less than 100% of his heart and talent to his craft. He does not deserve to be nit-picked to death over an interview given. With that in mind, I am closing this topic. If you had made points within this post that do not concern Deen's interview, place them into a new topic, please.]

Cj

[bionic]

People slag this site off....so what! People slag BT off...so what! What i will say is Andrew is closer to Journey than the official site and gives us more info,something the band seem very happy with!! as are we

[bionic]

That must've just happened...poor Deen. His character has always been sweet & child-like (that is a compliment!) -- I hope he realizes that many people felt he was just being honest & not intending any insinuations with his story. And I hope that doesn't make him shy away from being open in the future.

Here's CJ's post:


Hello Folks,

I just got off the phone with Deen and he would like to tell you these things:

1: Steve Augeri is a brother and Deen has nothing but love for him.

2: You are reading way too much into the MR interview and his comments.

3:These comments you are making about him not caring about Steve make Deen very unhappy and are simply untrue.

4: He would like you all to know that you are spending way too much of your energy on/over the negatives and would hope that you will all realize that he wishes nothing but the best for Steve, his fans and the band.

[Deen is the most emotional guy with the biggest heart that I know. He gives nothing less than 100% of his heart and talent to his craft. He does not deserve to be nit-picked to death over an interview given. With that in mind, I am closing this topic. If you had made points within this post that do not concern Deen's interview, place them into a new topic, please.]

Cj

It boils down to the fact they need to be angry at someone for Steve not being in the band,if they only new half the truth of all this regarding Augeri

[MJM1959]

Up until recently I thought that the Back Talk board was one of the more sedate music message boards. (Although that Augeri wiggle thread made me want to vomit.) I only recently discovered the psycho fan phenomonon in all of it's glory. I did get the feeling that a lot of it was truly fanatic lady fans sticking up for their fav singer. And there was no discussing anything with many of them. That turned out to be an exercise iin futility.

I would have to say that it is not the most dysfunctional board that I have been to. That distinction would have to go the the now defunct Lynyrd Skynyrd message board. OMG! Now there was a cyber-space train wreck! It has since gone the way of the dodo bird. I think it was in due to the fact that it was turning into the first stop @ Dysfunction Junction. (Threads encouraging female fans to post suggestive photos of themselves) I believe that either the band or management pulled the plug.

The same sort of behavior that BT is experiencing has happened @ the Chicago board. IT came down after too much bad blood was being spilled over stupid crap that got ugly. I can see the same thing happening with Journey's board. Even Peter Frampton's web site pulled their discussion board. And it was one of the most congenial boards I had ever visited.

[*Laura]

That must've just happened...poor Deen. His character has always been sweet & child-like (that is a compliment!) -- I hope he realizes that many people felt he was just being honest & not intending any insinuations with his story. And I hope that doesn't make him shy away from being open in the future.

Here's CJ's post:


Hello Folks,

I just got off the phone with Deen and he would like to tell you these things:

1: Steve Augeri is a brother and Deen has nothing but love for him.

2: You are reading way too much into the MR interview and his comments.

3:These comments you are making about him not caring about Steve make Deen very unhappy and are simply untrue.

4: He would like you all to know that you are spending way too much of your energy on/over the negatives and would hope that you will all realize that he wishes nothing but the best for Steve, his fans and the band.

[Deen is the most emotional guy with the biggest heart that I know. He gives nothing less than 100% of his heart and talent to his craft. He does not deserve to be nit-picked to death over an interview given. With that in mind, I am closing this topic. If you had made points within this post that do not concern Deen's interview, place them into a new topic, please.]

Cj

How sad that Deen had to feel all that uncalled hatered.

Of all people,he should be left alone.I cannot remember him once being anything but a respectful,humble guy,a true professional working his ass off and a guy with a completely positive aura.

It's really disgusting when some people feel the urge to slap the innocent.

[Melissa]

Yikes, poor Deen. That is really sad it got to the point that he had to talk to mod on the phone about it.

[Andrew]

Fucking disappointing and downright sad is what it is.

You know what....I don't even care what they are saying about me and this damn feature - they are NOT a reflection of reality, nor of any realm of sanity.
They are only pissy because their wiggler is gone.

I know for a fact that Steve has read the entire feature and he has no problem with it. If he doesn't, then why should this lot have a problem???
And poor Deen.....fuck me.

I had to go to an old friend's funeral Wednesday. They were killed in a car accident before Chrustmas. THAT is reality. Get a freeking life already before it is too late.

As for the proof reading - I picked 3 VERY passionate Journey fans I knew of and 3 professionals that I am friends with/work in the industry. ALL found typos, which was the whole point. They only read the bloody thing, they did not write or edit it to their own adgenda.

What a cook-a-hoop this whole thing has been from one particular section of the fanbase.

[strangegrey]

What exactly, were the acusations that were being cast in the direction of Deeno by back talkers?

Can someone sum it up for me so I dont have to read a gazzilion posts over at BT? I have a 5 minute time quota over there...

-F

[ohsherrie]

Fucking disappointing and downright sad is what it is.

You know what....I don't even care what they are saying about me and this damn feature - they are NOT a reflection of reality, nor of any realm of sanity.
They are only pissy because their wiggler is gone.

I know for a fact that Steve has read the entire feature and he has no problem with it. If he doesn't, then why should this lot have a problem???
And poor Deen.....fuck me.

I had to go to an old friend's funeral Wednesday. They were killed in a car accident before Chrustmas. THAT is reality. Get a freeking life already before it is too late.

As for the proof reading - I picked 3 VERY passionate Journey fans I knew of and 3 professionals that I am friends with/work in the industry. ALL found typos, which was the whole point. They only read the bloody thing, they did not write or edit it to their own adgenda.

What a cook-a-hoop this whole thing has been from one particular section of the fanbase.

Sorry about your friend Andrew. Sorry you and poor sweet Deen got such a beating up over at that place. And sorry for so many typos.

[Melissa]

Sorry to hear about your friend Andrew.

[Enigma869]

Fucking disappointing and downright sad is what it is.

You know what....I don't even care what they are saying about me and this damn feature - they are NOT a reflection of reality, nor of any realm of sanity.
They are only pissy because their wiggler is gone.

I know for a fact that Steve has read the entire feature and he has no problem with it. If he doesn't, then why should this lot have a problem???
And poor Deen.....fuck me.

I had to go to an old friend's funeral Wednesday. They were killed in a car accident before Chrustmas. THAT is reality. Get a freeking life already before it is too late.

As for the proof reading - I picked 3 VERY passionate Journey fans I knew of and 3 professionals that I am friends with/work in the industry. ALL found typos, which was the whole point. They only read the bloody thing, they did not write or edit it to their own adgenda.

What a cook-a-hoop this whole thing has been from one particular section of the fanbase.

Drew...

This is one of your best posts, EVER!!!!! It's nice to see you finally lash out at these MORONS! I thought the venom they were spewing at Deen was WAY over the top! You know...When I was a frequent contributor to Jackass Talk, I saw the most innocuous threads get locked and deleted, because the mods were apparently bored and trying to meet their quota for the day! Then, they allow these Augeri crotch-sniffers to bash a current member of the band, mercifully! I just don't get the psychology of that place and never will. On another note, my sincerest condolences to you on the loss of your friend. You are 100% correct about that being reality! This is simply the "Toy Department", folks! Lighten the fuck up!!!!!


John from Boston

[KCfla]

Fucking disappointing and downright sad is what it is.

You know what....I don't even care what they are saying about me and this damn feature - they are NOT a reflection of reality, nor of any realm of sanity.
They are only pissy because their wiggler is gone.

I know for a fact that Steve has read the entire feature and he has no problem with it. If he doesn't, then why should this lot have a problem???
And poor Deen.....fuck me.

I had to go to an old friend's funeral Wednesday. They were killed in a car accident before Chrustmas. THAT is reality. Get a freeking life already before it is too late.

As for the proof reading - I picked 3 VERY passionate Journey fans I knew of and 3 professionals that I am friends with/work in the industry. ALL found typos, which was the whole point. They only read the bloody thing, they did not write or edit it to their own adgenda.

What a cook-a-hoop this whole thing has been from one particular section of the fanbase.

Drew...

This is one of your best posts, EVER!!!!! It's nice to see you finally lash out at these MORONS! I thought the venom they were spewing at Deen was WAY over the top! You know...When I was a frequent contributor to Jackass Talk, I saw the most innocuous threads get locked and deleted, because the mods were apparently bored and trying to meet their quota for the day! Then, they allow these Augeri crotch-sniffers to bash a current member of the band, mercifully! I just don't get the psychology of that place and never will. On another note, my sincerest condolences to you on the loss of your friend. You are 100% correct about that being reality! This is simply the "Toy Department", folks! Lighten the fuck up!!!!!


John from Boston

AMEN- to Both of you!

Andrew- I'm very sorry to hear about your friend. My condolences to all concerned.....

[Red13JoePa]

What exactly, were the acusations that were being cast in the direction of Deeno by back talkers?

Can someone sum it up for me so I dont have to read a gazzilion posts over at BT? I have a 5 minute time quota over there...

-F

Basically, reading MR.com's October interview with Castronovo one might draw the conclusion that the band and Augeri are not coming over eachothers' houses to play cribbage and swap spittle right now, and predictably it went over like a lead balloon over there.

[conversationpc]

Fucking disappointing and downright sad is what it is.

You know what....I don't even care what they are saying about me and this damn feature - they are NOT a reflection of reality, nor of any realm of sanity.
They are only pissy because their wiggler is gone.

I know for a fact that Steve has read the entire feature and he has no problem with it. If he doesn't, then why should this lot have a problem???
And poor Deen.....fuck me.

I had to go to an old friend's funeral Wednesday. They were killed in a car accident before Chrustmas. THAT is reality. Get a freeking life already before it is too late.

As for the proof reading - I picked 3 VERY passionate Journey fans I knew of and 3 professionals that I am friends with/work in the industry. ALL found typos, which was the whole point. They only read the bloody thing, they did not write or edit it to their own adgenda.

What a cook-a-hoop this whole thing has been from one particular section of the fanbase.

I haven't done any extensive reading over there in a while so I'm surprised they've lashed out at Deen. Guess I'll have to take a peak.

Anyway, I guess we are free to comment on BT here now?

[ohsherrie]

This is the interesting dilhema that BT has right now. As marty has said, the band does give some direction to moderation. This happened moreso after I was gone...as I never really heard something along the lines of "Neal wants all the Perry threads shut down asap"....Regardless, you couldn't deny the fact that there was a definite Anti-Perry undertone to the moderation...sometimes very strong...

The dilhema for BT, is that the if the moderators are forced to quell the growing group of unhappy Augeri fans...they will lose some credibility. How can you, for years and years, show an obvious bias against Perry fans...only to be forced to do it again towards the very fans you 'protected' for years and years.

If the band keeps the messsage board up and running, it'll be interesting to see how the mods handle that.

Especially interesting, in light of the reading I did over there this morning about MR and Andrew. Somehow it was more wrong for Andrew to allow some of his board members to transcribe and proofread his interviews because of alleged anti-Augeri bias than it has been for BT to allow their Augeriheads to determine which Journey fans shall be allow to talk about which Journey members in what way on JOURNEY'S OFFICIAL Website.

Now the thread regarding Deen's interview has been closed at his request. I don't think I'll ever understand the reasoning behind the moderation at BT. I am perplexed as to why that thread remained open as long as it did. Deen's words were picked apart and analyzed beyond belief. He was insulted and disrespected. I couldn't care less at this point what others think of me and my choices, but Deen did not deserve to be raked over the coals.

It's just unfathomable. Deen is sweet, humble guy who loves what he does and does it well. If Augeri had half his humility he may have deserved about half the adoration he's received over there.

[strangegrey]

Basically, reading MR.com's October interview with Castronovo one might draw the conclusion that the band and Augeri are not coming over eachothers' houses to play cribbage and swap spittle right now, and predictably it went over like a lead balloon over there.

Man, it's like the twilight zone over there...

Deen Castronovo and Steve Augeri are two of the sweetest, nicest guys in the business. To try to infer something like that from reading those interviews is just nuts...

If you were talking about John Mayer or John Petrucci, I'd believe it...but come on, back talkers!?!?!

[frfksakes]

Fucking disappointing and downright sad is what it is.

DITTO!!


and excellent post from Frank. Except; the kooks, idiots and assholes at backtalk are not all women. While greatly outnumbered, some of the biggest jerks at least claim they have penises.

[Red13JoePa]

Basically, reading MR.com's October interview with Castronovo one might draw the conclusion that the band and Augeri are not coming over eachothers' houses to play cribbage and swap spittle right now, and predictably it went over like a lead balloon over there.

Man, it's like the twilight zone over there...

Deen Castronovo and Steve Augeri are two of the sweetest, nicest guys in the business. To try to infer something like that from reading those interviews is just nuts...

If you were talking about John Mayer or John Petrucci, I'd believe it...but come on, back talkers!?!?!

Actually, I feel the interviews were laced with simmering animosity too.

Not Cain's or JSS' but Neal and Deens'.
You should go check it out real quick, Andrew has a link on the front page.
I love the band, I love Augeri's work IN the band so I don't care either way, but it was definately eye-opening.

[Liz22562]

Ohsherrie, it is remarks like yours regarding Augeri not having any humility that sets people off. How do you know he doesn't? Do you know him personally? Or, are you judging him based on what Journey did this summer?

It took more than one person to organize "tapegate" (tm-Red13JoePa). They are all at fault.


P.S. Red, do you take I.O.U's?

[strangegrey]

Fucking disappointing and downright sad is what it is.

DITTO!!

and excellent post from Frank. Except; the kooks, idiots and assholes at backtalk are not all women. While greatly outnumbered, some of the biggest jerks at least claim they have penises.

Well, been down this road a handful of times in this thread....I totally agree that BT has had its share of male antagonists...

I'm just saying the character of fighting over there that has really eaten the place from the inside is inherently female. Male antagonists are more trollish or agressive in nature....Not only that, but I would submit, conservatively, that a good 75% of back talk is female anyway.

Regardless, not looking to piss off the women...I *love* women....all kinds...really, I do...

[Tom Jrnyfn]

Now the thread regarding Deen's interview has been closed at his request. I don't think I'll ever understand the reasoning behind the moderation at BT. I am perplexed as to why that thread remained open as long as it did. Deen's words were picked apart and analyzed beyond belief. He was insulted and disrespected. I couldn't care less at this point what others think of me and my choices, but Deen did not deserve to be raked over the coals.

No shit..Deen is way cool..They've let everyone shit on him, Jeff and Neal for days on end and now close it..Why? shut that shit hole down once and for all..

[ohsherrie]

Ohsherrie, it is remarks like yours regarding Augeri not having any humility that sets people off. How do you know he doesn't? Do you know him personally? Or, are you judging him based on what Journey did this summer?

It took more than one person to organize "tapegate" (tm-Red13JoePa). They are all at fault.


P.S. Red, do you take I.O.U's?

No Liz, I don't know him personally and I didn't mean that remark to imply that I did. I do know how sweet and self effacing Deen is and I've heard a lot said about Augeri being so. I've gotten the feeling that Augeri's humility is one of the biggest reasons they adore him so much. I was making the point that they were tearing apart a guy that may very well be even more humble and sensitive than the guy whose feelings they're so concerned about.

Yes, they're all at fault. I've never said otherwise, but it's Augeri's voice that had to be replaced either with tapes or another singer if Journey was to continue. I don't see why they don't understand that. Would they rather have them continue using tapes?

There has been nothing said by the band that indicates that they are blaming him or "thowing him under the bus". If they had addressed "Tapegate" in the interviews they would have had to assign blame somewhere in some manner. That's probably why the issue wasn't allowed to be discussed. Yes, fans on here, including myself, have ripped on Augeri for being the reason it happened, but that has nothing to do with what the band said in the interviews.

I think those comments over there about the band throwing Augeri under the bus were an unjust example of those people transferring their anger at MR to the band.

They don't appear to be Journey fans right now. They appear to be Augeri fans who don't give a tinker's damn about Journey. I was accused of that over Steve Perry, and deservedly so, at one time. I know what they're feeling. In this case though, I just honestly don't see why.

I'm sorry if my disgust over it taking Deen calling CJ(to close a thread that would never have been allowed to exist beyond one post if it had been about Augeri) made me snippy, but it's just too annoying.

[Red13JoePa]

Well, I think this thread went well.

[strangegrey]

lol