Tommy gives Kudos to Dennis.. wow..

[7 Wishes]

He is infuriating, but his grammatically challenged posts are always ripe for the picking. I find him quite entertaining, in a twisted, sardonic kind of way.

[froy]

Hows this your stupid and you dont know a thing about Styx history

Speaking of "stupid"- It's "you're" not "your", it's "how's" and not "hows", it's also "don't" not "dont".

I know what it is
The grammer posts are ditch efforts move on.

[froy]

He is infuriating, but his grammatically challenged posts are always ripe for the picking. I find him quite entertaining, in a twisted, sardonic kind of way.

So does that mean you will Conede it.?

[7 Wishes]

No way, dude, because he's right. You're full of crap, Mrs. DeYoung.

[brywool]

Hows this your stupid and you dont know a thing about Styx history

Speaking of "stupid"- It's "you're" not "your", it's "how's" and not "hows", it's also "don't" not "dont".

I know what it is
The grammer posts are ditch efforts move on.

Actually, my original post was much longer but I edited it because even though I don't know you, I decided that personal attacks probably weren't great form. Even though you chose to get personal by calling me stupid, I thought better to leave your obvious retardation and DeYoung man love out of the original post.

By the way, it's "grammar", and what the hell is "Conede"??

[Zan]

JY had the balls to stand up to Dennis and that's something.

Here's my issue with your statement: JY could have done this many, many times in the past. They caved in 1979/1980. In fact, the 1981 agreement the classic 5 signed was pretty fair all around. Everyone made money.

Now, I saw the contract they signed in 1991. You would not say what you did if you saw what they signed. JY also was happy in 96/97 when the money was coming in.

Fast forward to some time between February, 1999 and May, 1999. While the seeds of discontent were sown prior, that's when it all came to a head because if you go by the TS 7DZ Borders tour where DDY showed up in 1998, all seemed just fine. We're literally talking about a 6 - 8 month window when it all completely fell apart.

It's just so darn refreshing to be discussing something we've never touched on before.

[brywool]

yeah yeah...
But now I'm reading Sterling's book and I'm all fired up!

There's not much about Styx that's new to discuss...

When will we get a new album of new music?

(how's that?)

Now somebody (gee, I don't know who) will have some stupid comment regarding that question.

[7 Wishes]

yeah yeah...

Wrong

But now I'm reading Sterling's book and I'm all fired up!

No, your not

There's not much about Styx that's new to discuss...

Nope

When will we get a new album of new music?


Soon you will see Dennis is going to the top
(how's that?)

Now somebody (gee, I don't know who) will have some stupid comment regarding that question.

Yep

HOW WAS THAT?

[LordofDaRing]

You will stop posting when DDY says anything positive about the other members of Styx? By all means somebody send this guy a copy of BTM or any recent (last 4 years) interview with DDY. How bout when JY says anything truthful about DDY or stops rewriting history. While you are viewing the BTM video, read Sterling's book and contrast the reasons that JC was fired (Sterling's book vs. JY's comments then/now), how bout Tommy's comments about the mean spirited notes sent to him by JY, or JY's insistence that TS be replaced in the band in 1983, etc. Methinks the reluctant legend is lurking.

[brywool]

They've all had positive things to say about each other at times. I don't think they HATE each other, I think they just can't work together.

[froy]

Hows this your stupid and you dont know a thing about Styx history

Speaking of "stupid"- It's "you're" not "your", it's "how's" and not "hows", it's also "don't" not "dont".

You have to edit your grammer reply
I'll stick to my story you're stupid

[brywool]

Froy, you stick to whatever delusions you want.

By the way, it's "grammar" not "grammer". I figured if you learned it once it wouldn't need to be repeated.
However, I must remember that sometimes "challenged" people need to hear things more than once.
Your stupidity has been challenged by more than just me little fellow. Invest in a spell checker so even
though you may sound like a complete psychotic idiot, you won't look like an illiterate psychotic idiot.
Just trying to help.

I don't understand your need to be nasty to those that disagree with you Froy. It's just a forum and it's just
a band that had their heyday 20 years ago. However, you act like YOU'RE Dennis or in his family or something.
Why is this so emotional for you?
(serious question)

[froy]

Froy, you stick to whatever delusions you want.

By the way, it's "grammar" not "grammer". I figured if you learned it once it wouldn't need to be repeated.
However, I must remember that sometimes "challenged" people need to hear things more than once.
Your stupidity has been challenged by more than just me little fellow. Invest in a spell checker so even
though you may sound like a complete psychotic idiot, you won't look like an illiterate psychotic idiot.
Just trying to help.

I don't understand your need to be nasty to those that disagree with you Froy. It's just a forum and it's just
a band that had their heyday 20 years ago. However, you act like YOU'RE Dennis or in his family or something.
Why is this so emotional for you?
(serious question)

Im from Chicago my friend and thats why it means alot to me
I lived STYX for all my life.
Just like Dennis did.
To see greed kill a great band like STYX makes me sick.

You can follow along thinking your seeing STYX thats fine with me.
I know better

The current lineup proves time and time again that there chickens with there heads cut off
Whats next ?
Another new cover cd?
Another studio cd that sells nothing?
How long can they go on playing this game
We are happy and who cares about the fans
Thanks Shaw Im glad your happy.

As far as the grammer grammar issue
Tell Andrew to get a spell check and that issue will be dead.

[brywool]

Okay, that makes sense to me. I'm from Seattle and to if it was Heart or Hendrix, it'd be a fairly sensitive issue.
But Greed wasn't just on the JY, TS end, right? DeYoung also had his share of greed which drove a wedge between the band. Where there was a fairly equitable situation, he changed that so that he got the lion's share of profits from his publishing. That's totally fair, but it DID drive a wedge into the band and pretty much stuck it to Johnny and Chuck who didn't write a thing. I guess I just don't see how you're logic makes him blameless and that everything he did was amazing when it wasn't. If I was from Chicago and had grown up with them, possibly seeing them play at my school, the whole Kilroy thing would've made me cringe. Not just because it was interpreted as one of the worst pieces of Styx music but because that also pretty much broke the band up.

But greed in the music business (more today than yesterday) is what has killed the music business. That and over saturation. It used to be pretty cool if someone was a musician. Now it's just "well, everybody's a musician, aren't they?"

I also am not wild about cover CDs and Live albums. That doesn't mean I can't buy them and listen to it once in a while AND get SOME enjoyment out of it. Yet when they put out "Cyclorama" I thought it was an amazing album and a step in the right direction (away from the keyboard ballads with the word Paradise in them). The fact that Dennis wouldn't do ANYTHING for years made me dislike him, though I respect his talent in a big way.

Regarding the sales of Cyclorama- It didn't sell because they weren't on a decent label AND because it's a different time. Cheap Trick just put out one of the best CDs of their career and NOBODY heard it and radio didn't play it. That doesn't mean it sucks. That means it's not going to get heard in today's image-conscious, bankrolled, formatted musical environment. Styx (with or without DeYoung) will probably NEVER enjoy the success they did in the late 70's and early 80's. If we believe that, we're "fooling ourselves and we don't believe it". I could care less if they're huge stars again, I'm just happy to hear them put something out every few years.

I think Shaw DOES care about the fans. He's out there working and putting out SOMETHING. Dennis, I'm sorry to say seems to have spent the last 20 years in hibernation. Hopefully (and I hope as well as you do) his new album will come out and shut the critics and the naysayers up. But if he continues to stay stuck in the same mold that he's been in since 1979, that's not going to happen. At least Cyclorama had some current sounding stuff on it (Kiss Your Ass Goodbye should've been a BIG hit), but with them on a tiny label, their chances are only going to be so good. Dennis is in the same boat.

[FormerDJMike]

Styxcollector Wrote:
Everyone's entitled to their opinion and I don't care if you're a TS cocksucker or a DDY bootlicker lol, but when these threads break down into this stuff at this point makes it hard to want to post. A lot of us long timers to this situation have to wade through 1000 posts to find something to respond to. It's old. I know to some posting on message boards is like a competition sport, but after 8 years of this, I've had it. This whole topic has been reheated a billion times over.

Pretty much why I no longer post as actively as I did in years past on Styx boards. I am just content skipping over 90 % of the posts and reading only the ones that interest me, replying to almost none.

Mike

[ManOfMiracles]

A lot of us long timers to this situation have to wade through 1000 posts to find something to respond to. It's old. I know to some posting on message boards is like a competition sport, but after 8 years of this, I've had it. This whole topic has been reheated a billion times over.

And respectively... not everyone HAD been here for years and years. And being a public board, some people may choose to want to discuss this or anything else. All the "old timers" have to do is skip the posts to keep the peace then, yes? You had your chance to "hash out" this tired old subject, until you were satisfied and deemed it over. Now, step back, and allow others the same courtesy to go through their own motions with it.

Just my two cents.

[cittadeeno23]

Tommy is smart to be nice because he knows the day will come when he and Dennis will be on stage together again.

Now just a quick change of subject. I saw a Damn Yankees concert on VH1 Classic yesterday.
It was the first time I had ever seen it. I didn't go see them in the early 90's because I spent most of my cash following Styx around on the 'Edge' tour.
I liked the 2 Damn Yankees albums, even though I think Tommy is 10 times better in Styx.
But after watching that concert on VH1, I have to say I am so glad I never decided to see them live. Not because they weren't good. Tommy and Jack sounded amazing together live.
It was TED that drove me nuts. What an ego-maniac!
Tommy was singing his ass off on "Come Again" and TED is raising his hands in the air like he is the greatest Guitar god that ever walked the planet. He kept getting in between Jack and Tommy like he wanted to be noticed. I know most musicians like to shine on stage and get attention, but Ted was way over the top. I have NEVER seen any musician trying so hard to get attention and BE the center of attention. EVER. And I have been to a lot of concerts.
That was Just my opinion, and the 4 people who were watching it with me too. Ted was annoying as hell. I thought the way they dragged him off stage at the end was appropriate.
They should have pried his guitar out of his hands and beat him with it too!

And I'm sorry, but If I had been at one of the shows where he shot his stupid Bow and Arrow through a STYX logo, I would have gotten thrown out of the concert for heaving my beer in his face!!

[brywool]

I feel the same way about Ted, however, I felt that he was really funny with DY and in that video. That whole band was a good fit (and I don't dig Ted much at all). I think Tommy's best work was with them.

[bugsymalone]

Mike and Allan - Agree with you 100% I visit. I read. I don't post much. I try to avoid the latest troll. I do enjoy some of the new subjects that are brought up. Am pleased to hear Tommy and Jack are doing well and seem to have a lot of label support.

MOM - Have at it. I am tired of the same ol' same ol' but understand new members being interested in hashing it all out again. Have at it.

cittadeeno - I am with you on Nugent. He is unwatchable, unlistenable to me. I think, and have always thought, his talent was minimal. Tommy and Jack far outshone him in DY, not that I paid that much attention.

Bugsy

[FormerDJMike]

cittadenno23 wrote:

but Ted was way over the top. I have NEVER seen any musician trying so hard to get attention and BE the center of attention. EVER. And I have been to a lot of concerts.
That was Just my opinion, and the 4 people who were watching it with me too. Ted was annoying as hell. I thought the way they dragged him off stage at the end was appropriate.
They should have pried his guitar out of his hands and beat him with it too!

And I'm sorry, but If I had been at one of the shows where he shot his stupid Bow and Arrow through a STYX logo, I would have gotten thrown out of the concert for heaving my beer in his face!!

I would have thought this too but in 90 or 91 we went backstage to meet the band. Ted was the nicest of them all and stayed and talked to my brother and I for over TWO HOURS after the show. Jack was around maybe a half hour, Tommy was gone after one picture and was backstage less than 5 minutes. Kudos to Ted for showing us some respect and talking to us that long when he didn't have to. We kept saying "if you gotta go, go" but he said "I enjoy chatting with you guys let's hang out for a while".

Ted is just... well TED.

Mike

[cittadeeno23]

That's pretty cool. I never would have figured that from watching him. I guess you can't tell a book by it's cover.
Tommy does say nothing but nice things about him. I guess seeing Tommy on stage with a band other than Styx bothered me more than I thought! But Ted was really all over the place and seemed to me like he was craving all the attention. But if he is a nice guy, then that's all that matters. But I still don't like the Bow and arrow routine through the Styx logo! That was cold, even if it was meant as a joke. NOT FUNNY.

By the way, when I met John Panozzo in 1991 he was the same way. I kept saying "I better let you go" but he just kept chatting away. What a nice guy he was.

[Zan]

That's pretty cool. I never would have figured that from watching him. I guess you can't tell a book by it's cover.
Tommy does say nothing but nice things about him. I guess seeing Tommy on stage with a band other than Styx bothered me more than I thought! But Ted was really all over the place and seemed to me like he was craving all the attention. But if he is a nice guy, then that's all that matters. But I still don't like the Bow and arrow routine through the Styx logo! That was cold, even if it was meant as a joke. NOT FUNNY.

I once thought as you did, but then I hit puberty.

By the way, when I met John Panozzo in 1991 he was the same way. I kept saying "I better let you go" but he just kept chatting away. What a nice guy he was.

I can totally see it. He was great.

Speaking of Ted, I met him only two days after his father passed away, backstage at a show they played in Ft. Lauderdale. He was so modest and humble and we talked about our dads...and hunting...and gun laws. lol

[cinj]

That's pretty cool. I never would have figured that from watching him. I guess you can't tell a book by it's cover.
Tommy does say nothing but nice things about him. I guess seeing Tommy on stage with a band other than Styx bothered me more than I thought! But Ted was really all over the place and seemed to me like he was craving all the attention. But if he is a nice guy, then that's all that matters. But I still don't like the Bow and arrow routine through the Styx logo! That was cold, even if it was meant as a joke. NOT FUNNY.

Didn't Ted do the bow and arrow thing through a cardboard cutout of Saddam Hussein? I seem to recall that he put a Styx t-shirt on the cutout AFTER Dennis and Tommy worked through their differences about the "bashing of the 'Babe' song" talked about on VH-1. Maybe it was Ted's way of saying "O.K. I can't bash your guitar anymore, so maybe I'll shoot an arrow through the Styx logo."

Cinj

[stmonkeys]

never met the wackmaster. but, after seeing him on the vh1 "reality band show" damnocracy last spring, i found him to be one of the funniest, down to earth rockstars amonst the bunch. Not like the prissy, whiney Sebastian Bach. I totally DON'T agree with Ted's politics, but he's a hell of a conversationalist, and extremely intelligent. He's also a great guitar player, i think he and tommy made a killer team in DY- very melodic hard rock. it was kind of nice to see ted as part of a band instead of the frontman. i'd love to have the opportunity to see DY live. i'm glad t&J have continued to record and write together. IMO, they really bring out the best in each other. (even when recording covers) and since DY never officially broke up, lets keep our fingers crossed for a reunion one of these years. (yeah, i know all about the third album fiasco with Damon). maybe one day all of those styx/DY/SB/NR/TN tour rumors will come true

[FormerDJMike]

The arrow thru the Styx shirt was before Tommy & DDY made up. That event is what led to them making up. And I know Dennis & Ted get along just fine and had a wonderful time together a few years ago on a VH1 show (forgot the name of the show).

[Rockwriter]

cittadenno23 wrote:

but Ted was way over the top. I have NEVER seen any musician trying so hard to get attention and BE the center of attention. EVER. And I have been to a lot of concerts.
That was Just my opinion, and the 4 people who were watching it with me too. Ted was annoying as hell. I thought the way they dragged him off stage at the end was appropriate.
They should have pried his guitar out of his hands and beat him with it too!

And I'm sorry, but If I had been at one of the shows where he shot his stupid Bow and Arrow through a STYX logo, I would have gotten thrown out of the concert for heaving my beer in his face!!

I would have thought this too but in 90 or 91 we went backstage to meet the band. Ted was the nicest of them all and stayed and talked to my brother and I for over TWO HOURS after the show. Jack was around maybe a half hour, Tommy was gone after one picture and was backstage less than 5 minutes. Kudos to Ted for showing us some respect and talking to us that long when he didn't have to. We kept saying "if you gotta go, go" but he said "I enjoy chatting with you guys let's hang out for a while".

Ted is just... well TED.

Mike

I know Ted can come off a certain way, and I can't say that I care all that much for his stage persona either, but like Mike says, he's altogether different in person. Kinda reminds me of Gene Simmons in that respect . . . Gene can seem like such an ass, but in person he's really a sweetheart. So is Ted. Very different from what you would probably expect. Kinda quiet, believe it or not, until he starts telling some great rock and roll war story and the whole room is just hanging there waiting for the next sentence.

I know Ted really did not endear himself to a lot of Styx fans with some of his comments and actions during the Damn Yankees era, but you have to understand that's how he gets PR, is by saying and doing outlandish things. I thought it was stupid, too, but that's his persona and he was playing to his audience.

There's a scene I left out of the book because I didn't really know where to slot it, but it was really interesting: did any of you see the episode of VH1's 'The List' where Dennis and Ted are on together? It's from maybe 2000 or so. Someone from VH1 told me they were hesitant to ask Dennis because of Ted being there, but Dennis said, "I have no problem with Ted . . . he doesn't even know me." So they booked them both, and before the show, Dennis and Ted had a nice chat in the green room and wound up getting along really great. Ted had only ever heard Tommy's side of things and just went with it . . . but you have to realize that in 1999-2000 DY was supposed to get together, but Tommy opted for Styx instead. It was the exact opposite of the situation in 1990 when the guys in Styx felt that Tommy had strung them along, only to go with DY instead. So now Ted saw that he and Dennis had had similar experiences with Tommy and that maybe Dennis was not the devil that Tommy had portrayed. If you watch the show, he and Dennis are debating, but also raising their water glasses to each other and goofing around a lot. They had a great time together. It is no secret that Ted was very angry with Tommy at that time. I bet he has a very different take on the Styx situation now.

I hope all is well.


Sterling

[7 Wishes]

Jack is usually the life of the party, though - last one to get on the bus. He's very down-to-earth and just loves talking about music.

[stabbim]

There's a scene I left out of the book because I didn't really know where to slot it, but it was really interesting: did any of you see the episode of VH1's 'The List' where Dennis and Ted are on together? It's from maybe 2000 or so. Someone from VH1 told me they were hesitant to ask Dennis because of Ted being there, but Dennis said, "I have no problem with Ted . . . he doesn't even know me." So they booked them both, and before the show, Dennis and Ted had a nice chat in the green room and wound up getting along really great. Ted had only ever heard Tommy's side of things and just went with it . . . but you have to realize that in 1999-2000 DY was supposed to get together, but Tommy opted for Styx instead. It was the exact opposite of the situation in 1990 when the guys in Styx felt that Tommy had strung them along, only to go with DY instead. So now Ted saw that he and Dennis had had similar experiences with Tommy and that maybe Dennis was not the devil that Tommy had portrayed. If you watch the show, he and Dennis are debating, but also raising their water glasses to each other and goofing around a lot. They had a great time together. It is no secret that Ted was very angry with Tommy at that time. I bet he has a very different take on the Styx situation now.

I can see them getting along well on a personal level. They both have that Alpha Dog thing going on which would make working together problematic, but I'll bet they've got a lot of similar experience in upbringing and musical/cultural influences. As far as a change in perspective, I don't recall Nugent's (and, indeed, DY's) antagonistic stance towards Styx being based on personal issues -- more a matter of TS/JB renouncing their ballad-heavy reputations and that attitude being carried to an extreme for entertainment purposes. But then, I've never spoken to the guy, I just know what I saw on stage and in interviews.

[FormerDJMike]

7 Wishes Wrote:

Jack is usually the life of the party, though - last one to get on the bus. He's very down-to-earth and just loves talking about music.

I will say this: In 91 I had a chance to meet Jack, breifly. I was working part-time in radio then and I had a hand shake and autopgraph. This maybe lasted 5 minutes tops. Anyway, months down the road I saw DY again and Jack saw me and said "What's up Mike?" and I have respected him ever since for remembering my name after such a brief encounter.

[Zan]

I will say this: In 91 I had a chance to meet Jack, breifly. I was working part-time in radio then and I had a hand shake and autopgraph. This maybe lasted 5 minutes tops. Anyway, months down the road I saw DY again and Jack saw me and said "What's up Mike?" and I have respected him ever since for remembering my name after such a brief encounter.

That's really cool. He always struck me as being very nice.

The second time I ever met JY, it was after a JYG show at a local bar in Ft. Lauderdale I jokingly told him that he needed to space out his shows because I had to rearrange my work schedule at the last minute to be at this one (it was two weeks to the day after the first - and I only found out about it the DAY OF the show, so I had to get someone to cover for me like 2 hours before the show was set to start, it was crazy). The next time they came into town was 6 months later. When I saw JY, I (again, jokingly) asked him what took them so long getting back to South Florida, and he pointed at me and shouted, "YOU SAID: Give me a little more time in between shows, so I don't have to rearrange everything! YOU said that." Freaked me out completely. LOL