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Postby Rockwriter » Sat Apr 14, 2007 5:53 am

StyxCollector wrote:I don't think anyone gets a free pass in Sterling's book, quite frankly. It's funny seeing people post that it is either pro-DDY or pro-TS.

Forget the fact I was interviewed for the book - I tend to agree that just putting interviews of people who worked with the band or were in the band doesn't give a whole balanced perspective. And those of us who have also encountered the band firsthand as I have also have some insight. I mean, I wouldn't go on record with some of the stuff that went down in '97 because it still annoys me a bit. The same type of stuff has happened since to me. I had to learn to divorce my love for the music from the band themselves. 96 and 97 was the first time I really opened my eyes to to how the workings of the band were.

I'll leave it at that.



Oh Allan, you diplomat, you! LOL.

Seriously, folks, without violating Allan's confidence, I can say that he and I, as outsiders approaching either side of the band, have had remarkably similar experiences . . . experiences that I hear echoed from others over and over. Like I said in my Styxnet interview, there are valid reasons why some people in the press feel the way they do about Styx. The fact that the band members tend to be completely incapable of seeing their own role in that only tends to make it that much worse. And that's the beginning, middle and end of that story.

Thanks. I hope all is well.



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Re: Sterling's book

Postby Rockwriter » Sat Apr 14, 2007 5:59 am

cittadeeno23 wrote:Sterling, I'm almost done with the book. I have to say it is much better than I ever expected.
The detail is amazing and the interviews are all very good. I wasn't expecting so much candid information being exposed by all the people you interviewed. It has ALWAYS been very difficult getting any inside information about Styx.
The only free time I get to read it is on my lunch hour and I have been extending that to 2-3 hours just because I can't put it down! I will give it a review on Amazon when I am finished, but so far it's a thumbs up.

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Thanks very much! Let me tell you,you have no idea what it took to get some of those interviews. I was editing new material in all the way down to a couple of weeks before we went to print, because I was convincing people at the very last minute to participate. A lot of that was them talking to others I had interviewed and hearing from them that talking to me was a positive experience. When you're cool with people, usually they are cool with you. If I had only had a few more months I could have gotten a few more, but at some point you just have to say that you are done and walk away, or you'll end up writing just one book in your entire life, LOL.

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Postby Abitaman » Sat Apr 14, 2007 7:32 am

Sterling, your book is very good read. Had it for three days now, will more than likely finish it tonight or tomorrow. Yes there was bad things said about Dennis, but bad things were said about every member of the bad (except maybe Todd). I was really surprised about the really lack of negative comments about Dennis by Tommy, unless they are in the last two chapters. Tommy even dissed JY a few times. First book in years to hold my interest like this, where I just can't put it down.

Now it is time to work on a Journey book!!!!!!!!!-ERIC
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Postby Rockwriter » Sat Apr 14, 2007 7:50 am

Abitaman wrote:Sterling, your book is very good read. Had it for three days now, will more than likely finish it tonight or tomorrow. Yes there was bad things said about Dennis, but bad things were said about every member of the bad (except maybe Todd). I was really surprised about the really lack of negative comments about Dennis by Tommy, unless they are in the last two chapters. Tommy even dissed JY a few times. First book in years to hold my interest like this, where I just can't put it down.

Now it is time to work on a Journey book!!!!!!!!!-ERIC



Thanks, I'm glad you are enjoying the book. I'm afraid Journey is more or less out of the question . . . too complicated. Makes Styx look like a Sunday picnic in the park. Though I feel certain that would sell well, I don't think it would be worth it.

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Postby LordofDaRing » Tue Apr 17, 2007 5:24 am

Just finished the book last night. I had a hard time putting it down myself, but you have to feed those kids every now and then. Some observations:

- My only criticsm is the constant reference to BTM, which all of us saw and most of know word by word by now. However without any interviews from DDY, Chuck, JY or anything recent from TS, I can understand why Sterling had to include them
- Most of my perceptions of various band members and surrounding cast (good and bad) were not changed, however Cahill comes off as a bigger jerk to me than what he was on BTM, and that is pretty amazing. I think this guy, for all of his positives in the music business really threw gasoline on a very lit fire. Derek Sutton was correct in his assesment that he should have fired the guy.
- Derek Sutton, Glen Burtnik, Jim Vose and even Cahill really come through in light of the fact that several members of the main cast opted out
- I continue to have nothing but respect for Glen Burtnik for telling it like it is (both sides). My one wish is that he would take his contribution to this band a bit more seriously. I put his contributions well over Gowan, obviously Philips, and when it comes down to pure talent, over JY as well
- One major criticsm of Dennis is that he should have followed the advice of Derek Sutton and held off on the Kilory project until another album of songs came out. But perhaps Sutton was gone, prior to DDY hearing the game plan
- JY and Tommy have indeed replaced DDY in this band. Not the talent or the marketablility, but the negative image of DDY that they have played up for the past 8 years. The book details that, Mrs. Shaw the Prom Queen and Mrs. Reluctant Legend are now the Yoko's ordering around people in the band and providing their inputs on issues they know nothing aobut. Tommy has now withdrawn ala DDY and not giving interviews or showing up at meet and greets.
- JY is summed up pretty well towards the end of the book by a journalist who hits on every thing negative that has been said about him in this forum. I think most of the people in the book who disliked DDY really would not come across as a surprise for him, however If JY reads or has excerpts of this book read to him, I think he will be unpleasantly surpriesed by some of the things said.

All in all an excellent read. I think it would be funny to have a book of what people who were interviewed for this book think about they way they all came off.
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Postby Zan » Tue Apr 17, 2007 5:44 am

LordofDaRing wrote:Just finished the book last night. I had a hard time putting it down myself, but you have to feed those kids every now and then. Some observations:

- My only criticsm is the constant reference to BTM, which all of us saw and most of know word by word by now. However without any interviews from DDY, Chuck, JY or anything recent from TS, I can understand why Sterling had to include them
- Most of my perceptions of various band members and surrounding cast (good and bad) were not changed, however Cahill comes off as a bigger jerk to me than what he was on BTM, and that is pretty amazing. I think this guy, for all of his positives in the music business really threw gasoline on a very lit fire. Derek Sutton was correct in his assesment that he should have fired the guy.
- Derek Sutton, Glen Burtnik, Jim Vose and even Cahill really come through in light of the fact that several members of the main cast opted out
- I continue to have nothing but respect for Glen Burtnik for telling it like it is (both sides). My one wish is that he would take his contribution to this band a bit more seriously. I put his contributions well over Gowan, obviously Philips, and when it comes down to pure talent, over JY as well
- One major criticsm of Dennis is that he should have followed the advice of Derek Sutton and held off on the Kilory project until another album of songs came out. But perhaps Sutton was gone, prior to DDY hearing the game plan
- JY and Tommy have indeed replaced DDY in this band. Not the talent or the marketablility, but the negative image of DDY that they have played up for the past 8 years. The book details that, Mrs. Shaw the Prom Queen and Mrs. Reluctant Legend are now the Yoko's ordering around people in the band and providing their inputs on issues they know nothing aobut. Tommy has now withdrawn ala DDY and not giving interviews or showing up at meet and greets.
- JY is summed up pretty well towards the end of the book by a journalist who hits on every thing negative that has been said about him in this forum. I think most of the people in the book who disliked DDY really would not come across as a surprise for him, however If JY reads or has excerpts of this book read to him, I think he will be unpleasantly surpriesed by some of the things said.

All in all an excellent read. I think it would be funny to have a book of what people who were interviewed for this book think about they way they all came off.




Many people I've talked to would have liked to have the online fan base more accurately represented than it was. Andie Denny, for instance, was a pathological liar psycho stalker fan. To use her as one of the only models for the online Styx fan base, is scary at best. Not that she's the only nutjob in this community. It makes me wonder how far off the mark everything else was, if that is any gauge of measurement. LOL
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Postby LordofDaRing » Wed Apr 18, 2007 3:43 am

Zan:
I am not as familiar with everybody's real names from the forums. Suite seems to be what I consider one of the more formible Styx people here, was she contacted about being in the book? Or Andrew? I have read some of Al Hirt's home page things.
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Postby Zan » Wed Apr 18, 2007 3:57 am

LordofDaRing wrote:Zan:
I am not as familiar with everybody's real names from the forums. Suite seems to be what I consider one of the more formible Styx people here, was she contacted about being in the book? Or Andrew? I have read some of Al Hirt's home page things.




Far as I can tell, the only real fans contacted were Allan and Andie (who is completely uncredible). Perhaps Sterling is a better person to answer that question. lol
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Postby StyxCollector » Wed Apr 18, 2007 1:34 pm

Here's my take: I could give two shits what people think about me and if it did or did not lend credibility, or if they even think I'm credible. Nice if they do, not going to crush me if they say I'm full of shit. Sterling asked me to do the interview and I did it. Simple as that.

I honestly don't know Andie - never met her, so I can't speak to how she operated.

One thing I've always said is that I was never looking for the guys in Styx to be my best friend, and I mean it. There's still a respect/distance thing you have to maintain no matter who you are. My first interview with Tommy was embarassing at times - I was also I think 21 or so at the time. It was a good interviewin content, but definitely some cringeworthy moments. I was so green at the time. It took a few years to learn the difference of being a fan and staying professional vs. being a fanboy doing an interview.

The other thing you have to keep in mind is that anyone like myself who has the ability to get closer inside the circle than others, you have to have perspective overall - and a life. By no means can you eat, sleep, breathe, dream whatever it is; at that point is an obsession.

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Postby Zan » Wed Apr 18, 2007 10:33 pm

Damn, Allan. A little defensive? lol

I said you and Andie were the only fans represented, plain & simple. Because you were. And Andie was (probably still is) a pathological liar and major nutcase. I'm thrilled that you don't give a shit what anyone thinks of you, but you might want to tell that to your last post. ;-)
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Postby Rockwriter » Thu Apr 19, 2007 12:00 am

Zan wrote:
LordofDaRing wrote:Zan:
I am not as familiar with everybody's real names from the forums. Suite seems to be what I consider one of the more formible Styx people here, was she contacted about being in the book? Or Andrew? I have read some of Al Hirt's home page things.




Far as I can tell, the only real fans contacted were Allan and Andie (who is completely uncredible). Perhaps Sterling is a better person to answer that question. lol



I wanted to have at last some semblance of a fan perspective in the book, but I didn't want to solicit random fan opinions because, to the average reader, that would probably provide no value or interest. So I chose to contact a few select people whose fandom had led them into some kind of formal contact with the band members and who might have a bit of credibility.

Allan, of course, is recognized by virtually everyone who knows anything about the topic as the foremost Styx collector in the world. The guy knows more about that side of Styx' career than most of the band members. When VH1 doesn't have what they need, they call Allan, LOL. His stuff has appeared in BTM and a few other things. He also appeared in the "Mr. Roboto" True Spin episode. Allan is also a journalist who has interviewed Tommy, Dennis and JY ( on top of lots of others outside of Styx) and has a pretty balanced view of the past and present band. So I thought his presence provided a certain amount of fan perspective balanced with a certain amount of "in the know" credibility.

As for Andie, she published The Main Event, which prior to the fan base taking to the Internet for its primary interaction was one of the larger Styx fanzines. I was referred to her by another interview subject who used to work for the band and has corresponded with her. My only interaction with her has been in interviewing her and following up, and I can only comment that she didn't seem insane or anything like that, LOL. She was fine, perfectly lucid as far as I can tell. I've had a little bit of feedback that some fans object to her point of view or her inclusion in the book, but I honestly don't see the problem. It's not like her point of view colors a large portion of the book . . . most of what I included from her are the harmless and completely non-controversial recollections, from a fan point of view, about things like seeing Kilroy live, seeing JY live, seeing Hunchback live and such, none of it at all negative. The part I suppose some object to is her take on the Internet fan wars, but even in that I don't think she did anything but give a fairly straightforward account of what happened. She basically says in the book that the fans took it upon themselves to re-create the drama that was going on in the band among themselves (true), that it got really ugly (also true), that Tommy was in the middle of it (also true), and that it divided the fan base because being a Styx fan was no longer fun, because of the other fans. All of which is true. She just happened to be the one saying it, and since some people in the fan base were on the other side of the wars from her, they seem to be projecting those statements onto themselves and extrapolating that I wrote my book as a personal slam to them, which I certainly did not. I just want to point out, as diplomtically as possible, that no matter who I talked to, others would have challenged their credibility. I wanted to speak to another fan who also plays a large role in the fandom and was on the polar opposite side of the issue from Andie, and that person did not wish to speak to me . . . but if they had, the same things would be said about them as well. Each side wants to see the other side as wrong and say that the people on the other side are nothing but wacky, unstable stalker fans. I can't stop people from fulfiling their own emotional needs by taking bits and pieces of what I wrote out of context and applying it however they need to in order to justify themselves to themselves.

Let me just say in closing that there is no such thing as being truly "unbiased"; there is merely understanding bias and trying to control it through balance. I interviewed Tommy . . . hell, does Tommy Shaw not have a bias? How about Glen? Todd? Jim Vose? Derek Sutton? Well, duh! LOL, of course they all have a bias, that's human nature. There is nobody in the world I could ever interview that someone else would not see them as biased in some way, shape or form. Nobody's credibility is unimpeachable. That's why it's important to get as many perspectives as you can and try to edit them together in a way that presents multiple angles, which is what I did. I can't control how others take what I wrote and turn it to serve their own existing needs. There are always going to be people who disagree, and that's something you live with in this particular job all the time.

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Postby MtlLady » Thu Apr 19, 2007 2:02 am

Rockwriter wrote: As for Andie, she published The Main Event, which prior to the fan base taking to the Internet for its primary interaction was one of the larger Styx fanzines. I was referred to her by another interview subject who used to work for the band and has corresponded with her. My only interaction with her has been in interviewing her and following up, and I can only comment that she didn't seem insane or anything like that, LOL. She was fine, perfectly lucid as far as I can tell. I've had a little bit of feedback that some fans object to her point of view or her inclusion in the book, but I honestly don't see the problem. It's not like her point of view colors a large portion of the book . . . most of what I included from her are the harmless and completely non-controversial recollections, from a fan point of view, about things like seeing Kilroy live, seeing JY live, seeing Hunchback live and such, none of it at all negative. The part I suppose some object to is her take on the Internet fan wars, but even in that I don't think she did anything but give a fairly straightforward account of what happened. She basically says in the book that the fans took it upon themselves to re-create the drama that was going on in the band among themselves (true), that it got really ugly (also true), that Tommy was in the middle of it (also true), and that it divided the fan base because being a Styx fan was no longer fun, because of the other fans. All of which is true. She just happened to be the one saying it, and since some people in the fan base were on the other side of the wars from her, they seem to be projecting those statements onto themselves and extrapolating that I wrote my book as a personal slam to them, which I certainly did not. I just want to point out, as diplomtically as possible, that no matter who I talked to, others would have challenged their credibility. I wanted to speak to another fan who also plays a large role in the fandom and was on the polar opposite side of the issue from Andie, and that person did not wish to speak to me . . . but if they had, the same things would be said about them as well. Each side wants to see the other side as wrong and say that the people on the other side are nothing but wacky, unstable stalker fans. I can't stop people from fulfiling their own emotional needs by taking bits and pieces of what I wrote out of context and applying it however they need to in order to justify themselves to themselves.

Let me just say in closing that there is no such thing as being truly "unbiased"; there is merely understanding bias and trying to control it through balance. I interviewed Tommy . . . hell, does Tommy Shaw not have a bias? How about Glen? Todd? Jim Vose? Derek Sutton? Well, duh! LOL, of course they all have a bias, that's human nature. There is nobody in the world I could ever interview that someone else would not see them as biased in some way, shape or form. Nobody's credibility is unimpeachable. That's why it's important to get as many perspectives as you can and try to edit them together in a way that presents multiple angles, which is what I did. I can't control how others take what I wrote and turn it to serve their own existing needs. There are always going to be people who disagree, and that's something you live with in this particular job all the time.

Thanks, I hope all is well.


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Sterling, if your book is as well written as this post, then I'm very much looking forward to receiving my (already ordered) book from Amazon.ca and reading it.

I've learned something today. Thank you for your insight.

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Postby brywool » Thu Apr 19, 2007 3:44 am

I'd be curious as to how Chuck's book stands up next Sterling's. I've ordered Chuck's book, but since I just read Sterling's, I'm thinking of canceling the order...
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Postby Zan » Thu Apr 19, 2007 3:46 am

brywool wrote:I've ordered Chuck's book, but since I just read Sterling's, I'm thinking of canceling the order...




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Postby brywool » Thu Apr 19, 2007 3:57 am

which part and why is that a "shirley"?
Are you saying the Chuck book might be difficult to swallow? (OUCH!- just jokin'!)
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Postby Zan » Thu Apr 19, 2007 4:11 am

brywool wrote:which part and why is that a "shirley"?
Are you saying the Chuck book might be difficult to swallow? (OUCH!- just jokin'!)




In disbelief that you would opt not to buy Chuck's book based on the fact that you have already read Sterling's.
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Postby brywool » Thu Apr 19, 2007 4:28 am

Ah! okay. No, I just might be Styx-ed out at this point in my literary schedule ;)

Did anybody read the Perry book that Shania (journey forum) did?
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Postby rajah2165 » Thu Apr 19, 2007 5:04 am

Zan wrote:
LordofDaRing wrote:Just finished the book last night. I had a hard time putting it down myself, but you have to feed those kids every now and then. Some observations:

- My only criticsm is the constant reference to BTM, which all of us saw and most of know word by word by now. However without any interviews from DDY, Chuck, JY or anything recent from TS, I can understand why Sterling had to include them
- Most of my perceptions of various band members and surrounding cast (good and bad) were not changed, however Cahill comes off as a bigger jerk to me than what he was on BTM, and that is pretty amazing. I think this guy, for all of his positives in the music business really threw gasoline on a very lit fire. Derek Sutton was correct in his assesment that he should have fired the guy.
- Derek Sutton, Glen Burtnik, Jim Vose and even Cahill really come through in light of the fact that several members of the main cast opted out
- I continue to have nothing but respect for Glen Burtnik for telling it like it is (both sides). My one wish is that he would take his contribution to this band a bit more seriously. I put his contributions well over Gowan, obviously Philips, and when it comes down to pure talent, over JY as well
- One major criticsm of Dennis is that he should have followed the advice of Derek Sutton and held off on the Kilory project until another album of songs came out. But perhaps Sutton was gone, prior to DDY hearing the game plan
- JY and Tommy have indeed replaced DDY in this band. Not the talent or the marketablility, but the negative image of DDY that they have played up for the past 8 years. The book details that, Mrs. Shaw the Prom Queen and Mrs. Reluctant Legend are now the Yoko's ordering around people in the band and providing their inputs on issues they know nothing aobut. Tommy has now withdrawn ala DDY and not giving interviews or showing up at meet and greets.
- JY is summed up pretty well towards the end of the book by a journalist who hits on every thing negative that has been said about him in this forum. I think most of the people in the book who disliked DDY really would not come across as a surprise for him, however If JY reads or has excerpts of this book read to him, I think he will be unpleasantly surpriesed by some of the things said.

All in all an excellent read. I think it would be funny to have a book of what people who were interviewed for this book think about they way they all came off.




Many people I've talked to would have liked to have the online fan base more accurately represented than it was. Andie Denny, for instance, was a pathological liar psycho stalker fan. To use her as one of the only models for the online Styx fan base, is scary at best. Not that she's the only nutjob in this community. It makes me wonder how far off the mark everything else was, if that is any gauge of measurement. LOL


Nah...she just had a different opinion about the band situation than you and you do what you always do...resort to name calling..
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Postby Zan » Thu Apr 19, 2007 5:09 am

rajah2165 wrote:Nah...she just had a different opinion about the band situation than you and you do what you always do...resort to name calling..




Do you know her? (Actually, THAT wouldn't surprise me at all)
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Postby Rockwriter » Thu Apr 19, 2007 6:27 am

brywool wrote:I'd be curious as to how Chuck's book stands up next Sterling's. I've ordered Chuck's book, but since I just read Sterling's, I'm thinking of canceling the order...



I myself am eagerly looking forward to Chuck's book. I'm sure there will be some of the same stories in there, but from a new perspective, and I'm also sure there will be a lot that I did not address. I can't wait! I'd also love to see books from Tommy, Dennis and JY . . . and if they do write them, I feel certain that each of them will be from very different perspectives, which is great. I've heard through the grapevine that Chuck's book is very good.


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Postby rajah2165 » Fri Apr 20, 2007 4:35 am

Zan wrote:
rajah2165 wrote:Nah...she just had a different opinion about the band situation than you and you do what you always do...resort to name calling..




Do you know her? (Actually, THAT wouldn't surprise me at all)


No I don't, but if you treat her like everybody else who disagrees with you about DDY....enough said..
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Postby Zan » Fri Apr 20, 2007 4:41 am

rajah2165 wrote:....enough said..




God, if that were only true...
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Postby Andrew » Fri Apr 20, 2007 10:24 am

rajah2165 wrote:
Zan wrote:
rajah2165 wrote:Nah...she just had a different opinion about the band situation than you and you do what you always do...resort to name calling..




Do you know her? (Actually, THAT wouldn't surprise me at all)


No I don't, but if you treat her like everybody else who disagrees with you about DDY....enough said..


Give it a rest already....
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Postby Monker » Fri Apr 20, 2007 12:22 pm

Rockwriter wrote:I wanted to have at last some semblance of a fan perspective in the book, but I didn't want to solicit random fan opinions because, to the average reader, that would probably provide no value or interest. So I chose to contact a few select people whose fandom had led them into some kind of formal contact with the band members and who might have a bit of credibility.


Off the top of my head, here are a few people that I wonder if you considered, or did interview, since I do not own this book:

Donna Lettow - Creater of 976-Styx fanzine and a resource of keeping Styx fans together between Kilroy and Edge. She moved on from Styx fandom and into writing for TV (the Highlander series being one of them). She would have definitely brought some credibility along with her Styx credentials.

Cheryl Leigh Chamberlin - a huge online presence around the time of Edge, and rival of Donna's...It would have been interesting to read their contrasting viewpoints on a great many things...and talk about a collector and someone full of knowledge, geesh, at least she was back then.

Mickey Jorgenson - Creater of 976-Styx spin-off Yankee Pride...a DY fanzine...and as far as I know she has maintained her presence thru today....and she would have been a great resource to get some good pics.

Both Mickey and Donna also have had connections to the band. Cheryl Leigh would have brought some balanace. If you had those three people interviewed in your book, I'd buy it just for that...and Mickey's pics.
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Postby Monker » Fri Apr 20, 2007 12:25 pm

And, I'll just add that Allan has been around for a very long time as well...longer then Andrew even. I remember writing bits into SFK, which was always a good read back in the olden days.

StyxCollector wrote:Here's my take: I could give two shits what people think about me and if it did or did not lend credibility, or if they even think I'm credible. Nice if they do, not going to crush me if they say I'm full of shit. Sterling asked me to do the interview and I did it. Simple as that.

I honestly don't know Andie - never met her, so I can't speak to how she operated.

One thing I've always said is that I was never looking for the guys in Styx to be my best friend, and I mean it. There's still a respect/distance thing you have to maintain no matter who you are. My first interview with Tommy was embarassing at times - I was also I think 21 or so at the time. It was a good interviewin content, but definitely some cringeworthy moments. I was so green at the time. It took a few years to learn the difference of being a fan and staying professional vs. being a fanboy doing an interview.

The other thing you have to keep in mind is that anyone like myself who has the ability to get closer inside the circle than others, you have to have perspective overall - and a life. By no means can you eat, sleep, breathe, dream whatever it is; at that point is an obsession.

Just my $.02.
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Postby rajah2165 » Sat Apr 21, 2007 3:37 am

Andrew wrote:
rajah2165 wrote:
Zan wrote:
rajah2165 wrote:Nah...she just had a different opinion about the band situation than you and you do what you always do...resort to name calling..




Do you know her? (Actually, THAT wouldn't surprise me at all)


No I don't, but if you treat her like everybody else who disagrees with you about DDY....enough said..


Give it a rest already....


I ain't the guy calling people lunatics and psycho, that would be Zan...
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Postby FormerDJMike » Sat Apr 21, 2007 8:56 pm

I know Donna would have been a great source for information. I lost contact with her years ago but once in a blue moon I will hear from her. Those fanzines were my only contact with the Styx world at one time. Looking forward to those newsletters was exciting when there was no news outlets like there are now.

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Postby Archetype » Sat Jul 16, 2011 7:37 am

7 Wishes wrote:Froy, I'll stop posting on this board the day Dennis says ANYTHING positive or "nice" about ANY of the remaning members of Styx.


So you're done posting now then?
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Postby Abitaman » Sat Jul 16, 2011 11:14 am

Archetype wrote:
7 Wishes wrote:Froy, I'll stop posting on this board the day Dennis says ANYTHING positive or "nice" about ANY of the remaning members of Styx.


So you're done posting now then?
How long did it take you to go dig that up?
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Postby pinkfloyd1973 » Sat Jul 16, 2011 1:52 pm

Abitaman wrote:
Archetype wrote:
7 Wishes wrote:Froy, I'll stop posting on this board the day Dennis says ANYTHING positive or "nice" about ANY of the remaning members of Styx.


So you're done posting now then?
How long did it take you to go dig that up?



4 years, apparently :lol:
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