"Arrival: 2001" DVD goes platinum .....

[Matthew]

All The Way also.

Ah...so that's why it went platinum.

No it wasn't BECAUSE of Augeri but neither can we credit Steve Perry for it, either.

It was because it was Journey, with or without perry, that it went platinum.

It would be interesting to see how many DVDs Journey would sell just playing the songs from 1998 onwards. Then we'd see whether you're right about this or not Red....

[amaron]

All The Way also.

Ah...so that's why it went platinum.

No it wasn't BECAUSE of Augeri but neither can we credit Steve Perry for it, either.

It was because it was Journey, with or without perry, that it went platinum.

It would be interesting to see how many DVDs Journey would sell just playing the songs from 1998 onwards. Then we'd see whether you're right about this or not Red....

It wouldn't sell shit because Journey has not had a hit in the 8 odd years that Augeri was here. BUT, there's no guarantee PERRY would have had a hit with Journey from 98-07. You see how fucked the music scene is now.

[Matthew]

All The Way also.

Ah...so that's why it went platinum.

No it wasn't BECAUSE of Augeri but neither can we credit Steve Perry for it, either.

It was because it was Journey, with or without perry, that it went platinum.

It would be interesting to see how many DVDs Journey would sell just playing the songs from 1998 onwards. Then we'd see whether you're right about this or not Red....

It wouldn't sell shit because Journey has not had a hit in the 8 odd years that Augeri was here. BUT, there's no guarantee PERRY would have had a hit with Journey from 98-07. You see how fucked the music scene is now.

True Amaron - but it was pretty fucked up in '96 too wasn't it? Especially for AOR acts....

[amaron]

All The Way also.

Ah...so that's why it went platinum.

No it wasn't BECAUSE of Augeri but neither can we credit Steve Perry for it, either.

It was because it was Journey, with or without perry, that it went platinum.

It would be interesting to see how many DVDs Journey would sell just playing the songs from 1998 onwards. Then we'd see whether you're right about this or not Red....

It wouldn't sell shit because Journey has not had a hit in the 8 odd years that Augeri was here. BUT, there's no guarantee PERRY would have had a hit with Journey from 98-07. You see how fucked the music scene is now.

True Amaron - but it was pretty fucked up in '96 too wasn't it? Especially for AOR acts....

Quite true. This is why I don't look at TBF as the resounding success that some people do. Sony pushed WYLAW to the top of the AC charts and they are the ONLY reason that album hit #3 and SHIPPED platinum.

Great albums keep selling year after year. TBF has not.

[Matthew]

Quite true. This is why I don't look at TBF as the resounding success that some people do. Sony pushed WYLAW to the top of the AC charts and they are the ONLY reason that album hit #3 and SHIPPED platinum.

Great albums keep selling year after year. TBF has not.

I'm not sure I follow the logic here. You admit it was a terrible time for AOR bands in '96 yet say TBF was a failure because it went to Number 3.

Also - how do you know Sony's push was the ONLY reason? And where did you read that TBF hasn't backlisted?

Still...I agree with you up to a point....certainly compared to Journey's heyday it was a commercial disappontment....and their inability to reverse the freefall in frontlist album sales was probably a big reason why Perry became so disillusioned with it all.

[Michael Leigh]

What a bunch of morons.

He sang it live that night. I was there. However, it wasn't good enough to put on the DVD. They pro tooled his voice.

Red13 is about as bright as a dark alley.

I thought all live CDs and DVDs are cleaned up with ProTools?

You're right NIG.Most live CD/DVD's are cleaned up.Live and Dangerous by Thin Lizzy and Frampton Comes Alive have the rep of being 2 of the greatest live albums never made.If you saw the KISS:Alive Special on VH1,that album was so dubbed over that alot of people were outraged at how much of it wasn't live.ABout the only thing live on that album are the drums.If you have ever seen any of the video bootlegs from the Cobo Hall shows,you will see why the vocals were not usable.Not that they were bad, but with KISS' show, as much moving and dancing that they did, there were alot of vocal drop outs.

I have also heard Captured had some enhancement as well. I think backup vocals more than anything.You can actually hear Perry singing some of the backup vocals.

[amaron]

Quite true. This is why I don't look at TBF as the resounding success that some people do. Sony pushed WYLAW to the top of the AC charts and they are the ONLY reason that album hit #3 and SHIPPED platinum.

Great albums keep selling year after year. TBF has not.

I'm not sure I follow the logic here. You admit it was a terrible time for AOR bands in '96 yet say TBF was a failure because it went to Number 3.

Also - how do you know Sony's push was the ONLY reason? And where did you read that TBF hasn't backlisted?

Still...I agree with you up to a point....certainly compared to Journey's heyday it was a commercial disappontment....and their inability to reverse the freefall in frontlist album sales was probably a big reason why Perry became so disillusioned with it all.

I didn't say failure. Some people (usually loons) point to TBF as if it sold 10 million copies and it is proof that a Perry lead Journey was still a huge success 10 years later.

[Red13JoePa]

All The Way also.

Ah...so that's why it went platinum.

No it wasn't BECAUSE of Augeri but neither can we credit Steve Perry for it, either.

It was because it was Journey, with or without perry, that it went platinum.

It would be interesting to see how many DVDs Journey would sell just playing the songs from 1998 onwards. Then we'd see whether you're right about this or not Red....

Do you think a perry who'd been mothballed for 5 years at the time had the most to do with that DVD going platinum?

[ohsherrie]

Do you think a perry who'd been mothballed for 5 years at the time had the most to do with that DVD going platinum?

He had more to do with it than Augeri did. Not only did most people who bought it think they were buying Journey with Steve Perry, but most of the material on it was co-written by Perry and the performances were meant to sound as much like Perry's vocals as possible.

[Matthew]

All The Way also.

Ah...so that's why it went platinum.

No it wasn't BECAUSE of Augeri but neither can we credit Steve Perry for it, either.

It was because it was Journey, with or without perry, that it went platinum.

It would be interesting to see how many DVDs Journey would sell just playing the songs from 1998 onwards. Then we'd see whether you're right about this or not Red....

Do you think a perry who'd been mothballed for 5 years at the time had the most to do with that DVD going platinum?

The quality of the songs...nostalgia...and the fame of the Journey name were the three main reasons, I reckon. And Perry played a big part in all three. Do I really have to spell out the obvious, Red?

[Matthew]

Quite true. This is why I don't look at TBF as the resounding success that some people do. Sony pushed WYLAW to the top of the AC charts and they are the ONLY reason that album hit #3 and SHIPPED platinum.

Great albums keep selling year after year. TBF has not.

I'm not sure I follow the logic here. You admit it was a terrible time for AOR bands in '96 yet say TBF was a failure because it went to Number 3.

Also - how do you know Sony's push was the ONLY reason? And where did you read that TBF hasn't backlisted?

Still...I agree with you up to a point....certainly compared to Journey's heyday it was a commercial disappontment....and their inability to reverse the freefall in frontlist album sales was probably a big reason why Perry became so disillusioned with it all.

I didn't say failure. Some people (usually loons) point to TBF as if it sold 10 million copies and it is proof that a Perry lead Journey was still a huge success 10 years later.

TBF certainly seems like a monumental success now given the history of the band over the last ten years. That's for sure. We can only dream of Journey getting back up to where they were in '96...

[Abitaman]

It was because it was Journey, with or without perry, that it went platinum.

Well said Big Red-ERIC

[Red13JoePa]

Let's see now.
Unless I'm wrong loon dogma states that Journey with Augeri was incapable of success and had none.

Except this DVD that went platinum 5 years after perry left. And that? That was b/c of perry ANYway. Either just because or b/c people did not know perry left. 5 years before. Even though 9 months before the dvd released millions of people viewed Behind The Music where it was announced to those who did not already know that perry had been gone for 5 years.

More than 50,000 people who didn't see that show watched by millions bought the dvd w/ Augeri (expecting to see perry) and made it platinum.


Some draw that perry.


It's either THAT or some people will not extend credit where due and admit people bought that dvd and made it platinum to see Journey. Period.

[ohsherrie]

It's either THAT or some people will not extend credit where due and admit people bought that dvd and made it platinum to see Journey. Period.

Well hell yeah they all bought it to see Journey. They just had no idea that Perry wasn't there or that Augeri was there. Face it 13, 90% of the people who attended Journey concerts at that time didn't even know the name Augeri. Most of them still don't.

They bought the DVD because it said Journey and Journey to them meant Infinity, Evolution, Departure, Escape, Frontiers and ROR. Those albums were co-written and sung by Steve Perry. It was Perry's voice on the radio that they identified with. Only a small portion of the people who were Journey fans in the '80s had kept up with them. They didn't know or care who Augeri was. They bought it for nostalgia, Steve Perry was the voice of their nostalgia and the only name they new, if any, of the band members.

[Red13JoePa]

It's either THAT or some people will not extend credit where due and admit people bought that dvd and made it platinum to see Journey. Period.

Well hell yeah they all bought it to see Journey. They just had no idea that Perry wasn't there or that Augeri was there. Face it 13, 90% of the people who attended Journey concerts at that time didn't even know the name Augeri. Most of them still don't.

They bought the DVD because it said Journey and Journey to them meant Infinity, Evolution, Departure, Escape, Frontiers and ROR. Those albums were co-written and sung by Steve Perry. It was Perry's voice on the radio that they identified with. Only a small portion of the people who were Journey fans in the '80s had kept up with them. They didn't know or care who Augeri was. They bought it for nostalgia, Steve Perry was the voice of their nostalgia and the only name they new, if any, of the band members.

Face nothing. Millions of people watched BTM. You're saying NONE of them went to a show w/ Augeri if you're saying 90 % of the people who went to shows didn't know p was gone for 5 years.

perry sang the songs and played a big part in making them famous.
But to most of the people who bought that dvd the fact that he wasn't on it didn't matter enough to make them not buy it.

[Moon Beam]

More than 50,000 people who didn't see that show watched by millions bought the dvd w/ Augeri (expecting to see perry) and made it platinum.

Bit of a stretch there in the line of Millions ain't it JoePa?

[ohsherrie]

Geez 13, there's no point in even arguing this with you because if you believe what you're saying you're hopeless and I like you(and Andrew) too much to say the shit that I would need to say to disabuse you.

[amaron]

It's either THAT or some people will not extend credit where due and admit people bought that dvd and made it platinum to see Journey. Period.

Well hell yeah they all bought it to see Journey. They just had no idea that Perry wasn't there or that Augeri was there. Face it 13, 90% of the people who attended Journey concerts at that time didn't even know the name Augeri. Most of them still don't.

They bought the DVD because it said Journey and Journey to them meant Infinity, Evolution, Departure, Escape, Frontiers and ROR. Those albums were co-written and sung by Steve Perry. It was Perry's voice on the radio that they identified with. Only a small portion of the people who were Journey fans in the '80s had kept up with them. They didn't know or care who Augeri was. They bought it for nostalgia, Steve Perry was the voice of their nostalgia and the only name they new, if any, of the band members.

If they went to concerts or the Journey website after the change they sure as hell knew SP was gone. Journey even made notices and posted them at concerts.

[Matthew]

It's either THAT or some people will not extend credit where due

Which is exactly what you're guilty of in this thread....

[ohsherrie]

If they went to concerts or the Journey website after the change they sure as hell knew SP was gone. Journey even made notices and posted them at concerts.

But amaron, do you think all of those people who have made the GH such a huge seller watch VH1, attend concerts or check out the website? The majority of the boomer, and early boomer offspring, Journey listening public wouldn't know about Augeri. You can believe or not. Most of them are either too busy or don't care enough anymore to keep up with this shit. They just buy the stuff when they see it because it reminds them of their youth when they weren't so busy and stressed out.

[piecesofeight]

It's either THAT or some people will not extend credit where due and admit people bought that dvd and made it platinum to see Journey. Period.

Well hell yeah they all bought it to see Journey. They just had no idea that Perry wasn't there or that Augeri was there. Face it 13, 90% of the people who attended Journey concerts at that time didn't even know the name Augeri. Most of them still don't.

They bought the DVD because it said Journey and Journey to them meant Infinity, Evolution, Departure, Escape, Frontiers and ROR. Those albums were co-written and sung by Steve Perry. It was Perry's voice on the radio that they identified with. Only a small portion of the people who were Journey fans in the '80s had kept up with them. They didn't know or care who Augeri was. They bought it for nostalgia, Steve Perry was the voice of their nostalgia and the only name they new, if any, of the band members.

If they went to concerts or the Journey website after the change they sure as hell knew SP was gone. Journey even made notices and posted them at concerts.

We used to go to megabuttloads of concerts when I was healthier. All sorts of venues and settings. I can't tell you how many times when SA was on stage we heard people telling each other how good SP still sounds!
A lot of people who we ran into don't even do much online as far as band websites or groups like this.
They are just going to hear the hits.
Call it the casual fan, call it ignorant, call it just the one's we ran into, call it drunk, whatever..just stating what our experiences were from those we ran into.
We have a local indoor arena that holds about 12,000. Great place to see a indoor show. Really not a bad seat and the way it's set up, it's a great place to chat with people before the show.
We are rathy chatty people and we have seen almost every rock show that has come to this place.
In all seriousness, most people at these shows have no idea what's going on with the bands.
They hear so and so is coming to town and for nastalgia reasons, they get tickets.

[piecesofeight]

If they went to concerts or the Journey website after the change they sure as hell knew SP was gone. Journey even made notices and posted them at concerts.

But amaron, do you think all of those people who have made the GH such a huge seller watch VH1, attend concerts or check out the website? The majority of the boomer, and early boomer offspring, Journey listening public wouldn't know about Augeri. You can believe or not. Most of them are either too busy or don't care enough anymore to keep up with this shit. They just buy the stuff when they see it because it reminds them of their youth when they weren't so busy and stressed out.

Great post, you can see my post attempting to say the same...

[amaron]

If they went to concerts or the Journey website after the change they sure as hell knew SP was gone. Journey even made notices and posted them at concerts.

But amaron, do you think all of those people who have made the GH such a huge seller watch VH1, attend concerts or check out the website? The majority of the boomer, and early boomer offspring, Journey listening public wouldn't know about Augeri.

And this falls directly on Sony IMO. More and more it seems like they wanted nothing to do with Journey once SP left, I don't care how good of friends Neal and Tommy Mottola were.

I'm getting to the point now where I just want SP to come back so they can do a farewell tour and finally put a bullet in the head of this band.

[Red13JoePa]

It's either THAT or some people will not extend credit where due

Which is exactly what you're guilty of in this thread....

How can I credit the guy for something he took ZERO part in?

[Red13JoePa]

More than 50,000 people who didn't see that show watched by millions bought the dvd w/ Augeri (expecting to see perry) and made it platinum.

Bit of a stretch there in the line of Millions ain't it JoePa?

What were the ratings? I guarantee at least 1 million watched BTM.

[Moon Beam]

More than 50,000 people who didn't see that show watched by millions bought the dvd w/ Augeri (expecting to see perry) and made it platinum.

Bit of a stretch there in the line of Millions ain't it JoePa?

What were the ratings? I guarantee at least 1 million watched BTM.

I never claimed to know, just looked like a bit of a stretch to me.

[whocares]

JoePa, you're talking out of your ass, for the sake of arguing with people. back up your guarantee's with hard fact. YOU do the research on how many people saw the BTM shows. I wont' guarantee it, but I doubt it was a million.

If you're going to guarantee 1 million people saw the show, then show us the cold hard facts. otherwise shut your fucking piehole, and stop arguing just to see your own words on the screen.

Much as you want to believe it, your word isn't any better than anyone else here.

[Red13JoePa]

WhoCares? giving more credit to steve perry than anyone else for the 2001 dvd going platinum is talking out of one's ass.

If my statement upsets you I will go a little more conservative and dumb it down for you. I'll cut my guarantee in 1/2 and say that if 500,000 (one of the episodes I pulled had an overnight viewership of 670,000 and Journey's acknowledged as having been one of the more successful episodes) people tuned into that BTM than it is STILL extremely unlikely that the most of the 50 or more k who bought that dvd did not come out of that sampling.
Therefore they knew that dvd was perryless and didn't give a shit.

There's a cold hard fact, now stick it in your prissy little ass and set fire to it before you sache around here telling me what and what not to post.

[whocares]

it's ok JoePa, you aren't worth saying anymore to, but for the idea that you are guaranteeing numbers that you can't back up.

No need to dumb anything down for me. It only makes you look more of an ass.

[Socratic Methodist]

I would say, if I may, that the NUMBER ONE reason 2001 DVD sold was:

Tight Red Leather Pants.....and I mean the eye candy, not the voice in them. SA was eye candy for stay-at-home moms.

I never bought it, watched it, nor ever cared to.....

I have the F&B DVD, and the Houston DVD....and I watch them once a month.