Live Earth

[Jeremey fan forever]

Uhh, yeah and all that machinery and those automobiles that have popped up over the last, say, 150 years (that WEREN'T there for the previous 2 million or so) have had NO effect whatsoever on the planet! My God, people, put your partisan bullshit aside for one moment and realize that there is a crisis going on.

And I don't know where you're getting your intel from. THe VAST majority of scientists out there DO believe global warming is and HAS occured. What they disagree on is the effect it will ultimately have, and WHEN that effect will start taking place.
This isn't a Republican or Democrat issue. It's a SURVIVAL issue. Perhaps we should all start to show a little concern for the world we're leaving behind for our grandchildren.

...but HEY...if that means I gotta stop driving my SUV why bother????

I agree. I don't know if Gore is the best ambassador for the job, but work need to start on global warming yesterday. Like you said, we've got millions of cars burning fossil fuel daily. We've got 100's of millions of air conditioning units belching out heat constantly. It has to have an effect. The effect is obvious. I went skiing in the southern Rocky mountains in February and skied on nothing but man made snow. The mountains were almost completely bare of snow. 20 years ago I was at the exact same ski resort during the same 3rd week of February and it was a winter wonderland. The kid at the ski rental shop said that this year was the best year for snow that they've had in 10 years, and the mountains were nearly bare. That freaked me the fuck out. It was 106° in Boise Idaho the other day. It was 116° in Las Vegas. The whole western part of the country is like an oven, and there are fires everywhere. People better wake up, or there's not going to be anything to wake up to.

Well, its been rainy for almost a month in Dallas, and North Texas had the coldest winter I ever saw here, so it seems to me that since Democrats took control of congress, global warming was been in retreat...at least thats how i see it from how the weather has changed around here..... the fact that weather or climate changes is not an indication ofr global warming. climate and weather has and always will change. The global warming theory suggests that man is causing the current changes, and not that the climate and weather is changing. Now everyone has bought into this, any time there is a heat wave, hail storm, or hurricane....its proof of global warming. That seems stupid to me. Maybe there is global warming, I dont say there is or isnt. Maybe there is justification to err on the side of caution, I won't argue against that. But the current attitude and hot air about global warming is dangerous too, because its not a science, but a religous cult that has taken control of people's senses. I think that scares me more than global warming does.

[G.I.Jim]

You guys do know that in the 70's the scientists were going to purposely MELT THE ICECAPS because they were convinced earth was going to freeze due to GLOBAL COOLING.

http://www.glennbeck.com/2006news/newsw ... gworld.pdf

Thank you! and for the record X-Factor, you need to go back and re-read my previous statement! I never said that the earth wasn't warming up, I said the majority of scientists don't believe in "Global warming" Meaning Man-made! I guess the cavemen were responsible for "Global cooling"??? I said the earth has been going through climate changes, since before we ever made the first Automobile! I also said that we can all do a little better of a job to preserve our natural resources.

And who the hell said anything about Democrats or Republicans??? I don't recall saying ANYTHING about Democrats...Don't put words in my mouth!

[Skylorde]

And I don't know where you're getting your intel from. THe VAST majority of scientists out there DO believe global warming is and HAS occured. What they disagree on is the effect it will ultimately have, and WHEN that effect will start taking place.
This isn't a Republican or Democrat issue. It's a SURVIVAL issue. Perhaps we should all start to show a little concern for the world we're leaving behind for our grandchildren.

I get my Intel from reliable places like heartland.org, not Al Gore.

http://downloads.heartland.org/20861.pdf

Snippet:

3. Are humans causing climate change?
The question most people are most keen to ask climate scientists is probably do you agree or disagree that climate change is mostly the result of anthropogenic (man-made) causes?” Slightly more than half (55.8 percent) of climate scientists surveyed agreed, 14.2 percent were unsure, and 30 percent disagreed. Interestingly, more scientists “strongly disagree” than “strongly agree” that climate change is mostly the result of anthropogenic causes.

I would hardly call that a *VAST* majority.

The Earth has experienced at least four major Ice Ages in it's history, the earliest was around 775 million years ago. What do you suppose caused the warming periods that came afterwards and melted the ice? Dinosaur farts?

Ice core samples have proven beyond any dispute the Earth has a very long history of heating and cooling. In fact, the climate of the last 10,000 years, according to core samples, has been extremely stable in comparison to 20,50,100 or more thousands of years prior to that.

Most kids in school wonder why a frozen wasteland called Greenland even has the word Green in it. Most people don't know that at one time, the Vikings actually grew crops in the south eastern part of the country. Scientists have found graves in areas that are now under permafrost..areas that were not under permafrost at the time of burial because no fucking person in their right mind would hack through feet and feet of permafrost to dig a grave.

What have we learned? At one time, Greenland was frozen over. Then it warmed and a sizable part of it was hospitable enough to farm crops. How did that happen? Dinosaur farts again? Oh wait, can't be dinosaurs, they were already extinct by the time the Vikings were busy colonizing. I know what it was! Viking farts!

Let's step back in time a bit shall we? On April 28. 1975, the same crowd that is screaming global warming was screaming global cooling.

http://denisdutton.com/cooling_world.htm

Is the Earth warming? Yes

Are humans responsible or contributing to the current warming trend? Possibly. The evidence is inconclusive

Is this a normal cycle for the planet: Most likely

Should we be taking measures to find alternative energy and wean ourselves from fossil fuels? Absolutely

Will Ethanol save us? No, it will not. At the end of the day, ethanol will put more carbon into the atmosphere than gasoline because it is inefficient and takes a tremendous amount of energy to produce.

Will hydrogen save us? Hydrogen is a by-product of natural gas. Although it does burn exceptionally clean, it takes a tremendous amount of energy to produce hydrogen...thus the energy consumption needed to produce it offsets it's benefits.

The left, like Al Goracle, likes to use conjecture and fear mongering to scare people into getting on board with them..and demonizing anyone that disagrees with them. That's because he has ulterior motives for pushing global warming (hint: 2008 or 2012)

If you want to go head to head with me on the science, you are welcome to try but you will not win.

Read the facts, do your own research and make your own decisions. If you try to convince anyone the earth is warming because "Al Goracle told you so" just makes you look like a fool.

[G.I.Jim]

And I don't know where you're getting your intel from. THe VAST majority of scientists out there DO believe global warming is and HAS occured. What they disagree on is the effect it will ultimately have, and WHEN that effect will start taking place.
This isn't a Republican or Democrat issue. It's a SURVIVAL issue. Perhaps we should all start to show a little concern for the world we're leaving behind for our grandchildren.

I get my Intel from reliable places like heartland.org, not Al Gore.

http://downloads.heartland.org/20861.pdf

Snippet:

3. Are humans causing climate change?
The question most people are most keen to ask climate scientists is probably do you agree or disagree that climate change is mostly the result of anthropogenic (man-made) causes?” Slightly more than half (55.8 percent) of climate scientists surveyed agreed, 14.2 percent were unsure, and 30 percent disagreed. Interestingly, more scientists “strongly disagree” than “strongly agree” that climate change is mostly the result of anthropogenic causes.

I would hardly call that a *VAST* majority.

The Earth has experienced at least four major Ice Ages in it's history, the earliest was around 775 million years ago. What do you suppose caused the warming periods that came afterwards and melted the ice? Dinosaur farts?

Ice core samples have proven beyond any dispute the Earth has a very long history of heating and cooling. In fact, the climate of the last 10,000 years, according to core samples, has been extremely stable in comparison to 20,50,100 or more thousands of years prior to that.

Most kids in school wonder why a frozen wasteland called Greenland even has the word Green in it. Most people don't know that at one time, the Vikings actually grew crops in the south eastern part of the country. Scientists have found graves in areas that are now under permafrost..areas that were not under permafrost at the time of burial because no fucking person in their right mind would hack through feet and feet of permafrost to dig a grave.

What have we learned? At one time, Greenland was frozen over. Then it warmed and a sizable part of it was hospitable enough to farm crops. How did that happen? Dinosaur farts again? Oh wait, can't be dinosaurs, they were already extinct by the time the Vikings were busy colonizing. I know what it was! Viking farts!

Let's step back in time a bit shall we? On April 28. 1975, the same crowd that is screaming global warming was screaming global cooling.

http://denisdutton.com/cooling_world.htm

Is the Earth warming? Yes

Are humans responsible or contributing to the current warming trend? Possibly. The evidence is inconclusive

Is this a normal cycle for the planet: Most likely

Should we be taking measures to find alternative energy and wean ourselves from fossil fuels? Absolutely

Will Ethanol save us? No, it will not. At the end of the day, ethanol will put more carbon into the atmosphere than gasoline because it is inefficient and takes a tremendous amount of energy to produce.

Will hydrogen save us? Hydrogen is a by-product of natural gas. Although it does burn exceptionally clean, it takes a tremendous amount of energy to produce hydrogen...thus the energy consumption needed to produce it offsets it's benefits.

The left, like Al Goracle, likes to use conjecture and fear mongering to scare people into getting on board with them..and demonizing anyone that disagrees with them. That's because he has ulterior motives for pushing global warming (hint: 2008 or 2012)

If you want to go head to head with me on the science, you are welcome to try but you will not win.

Read the facts, do you own reasearch and make your own decisions.

Thank you SkyLorde! All I'm saying to all you people who just say "Me too" because they want to go with the flow, read for yourself and reserve judgement until you read something that didn't come from CNN, or someone like Al Gore. He has an agenda people!

[sindee67]

You guys do know that in the 70's the scientists were going to purposely MELT THE ICECAPS because they were convinced earth was going to freeze due to GLOBAL COOLING.

http://www.glennbeck.com/2006news/newsw ... gworld.pdf

Thank you! and for the record X-Factor, you need to go back and re-read my previous statement! I never said that the earth wasn't warming up, I said the majority of scientists don't believe in "Global warming" Meaning Man-made! I guess the cavemen were responsible for "Global cooling"??? I said the earth has been going through climate changes, since before we ever made the first Automobile! I also said that we can all do a little better of a job to preserve our natural resources.

And who the hell said anything about Democrats or Republicans??? I don't recall saying ANYTHING about Democrats...Don't put words in my mouth!

THANK YOU! I was trying to say this, but, not sure how.
It's to me, something to try and get money. Scare the people into a decision.
Educate yourselves, learn on your own, and don't listen to just one group or person. I personally think, this is nature doing what God made it to do. JMHO! ~For what it's worth!

[*Laura]

The Earth has experienced at least four major Ice Ages in it's history, the earliest was around 775 million years ago. What do you suppose caused the warming periods that came afterwards and melted the ice? Dinosaur farts?

Ice core samples have proven beyond any dispute the Earth has a very long history of heating and cooling. In fact, the climate of the last 10,000 years, according to core samples, has been extremely stable in comparison to 20,50,100 or more thousands of years prior to that.

Most kids in school wonder why a frozen wasteland called Greenland even has the word Green in it. Most people don't know that at one time, the Vikings actually grew crops in the south eastern part of the country. Scientists have found graves in areas that are now under permafrost..areas that were not under permafrost at the time of burial because no fucking person in their right mind would hack through feet and feet of permafrost to dig a grave.

What have we learned? At one time, Greenland was frozen over. Then it warmed and a sizable part of it was hospitable enough to farm crops. How did that happen? Dinosaur farts again? Oh wait, can't be dinosaurs, they were already extinct by the time the Vikings were busy colonizing. I know what it was! Viking farts!

Let's step back in time a bit shall we? On April 28. 1975, the same crowd that is screaming global warming was screaming global cooling.

http://denisdutton.com/cooling_world.htm

Is the Earth warming? Yes

Are humans responsible or contributing to the current warming trend? Possibly. The evidence is inconclusive

Is this a normal cycle for the planet: Most likely

Should we be taking measures to find alternative energy and wean ourselves from fossil fuels? Absolutely

Will Ethanol save us? No, it will not. At the end of the day, ethanol will put more carbon into the atmosphere than gasoline because it is inefficient and takes a tremendous amount of energy to produce.

Will hydrogen save us? Hydrogen is a by-product of natural gas. Although it does burn exceptionally clean, it takes a tremendous amount of energy to produce hydrogen...thus the energy consumption needed to produce it offsets it's benefits.

The left, like Al Goracle, likes to use conjecture and fear mongering to scare people into getting on board with them..and demonizing anyone that disagrees with them. That's because he has ulterior motives for pushing global warming (hint: 2008 or 2012)

If you want to go head to head with me on the science, you are welcome to try but you will not win.

Read the facts, do you own reasearch and make your own decisions.

Great read and I agree.
It's true that we cannot possibly know how much of the modern toxic wastes are damaging our habitat,but it's obvious that those who can do harm should change their behavior,at least for the sake of our and our childrens' health.

For the most part tho,I guess the present global warming is caused by Politicians' Farts.They seem to be just as bad as Dinosaurs and Vikings.
(thanks for the good laughs,Sky)

[Rick]

I thought Keith Urban and Alicia Keys' performance kicked ass!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5u2HPbPy0wk

That was pretty cool. Keith Urban and Alecia Keys covering the Rolling Stones. It's cool to see Kieth Urban singing rock. He was doing a pretty freakin good job on the guitar too.

[G.I.Jim]

You know what,

I've broken one of my own 1st rules of coming in here to post, and for that I apologize. I promised myself that I would never come in here and discuss politics or religion. I have failed. I realize that people are from different regions of the world that come on here, and also that each of you are entitled to your own opinions. I apologize for "ruffling any feathers", and I will bow out of this conversation before feelings get hurt. I just have extremely strong convictions on this subject.

I will now go back to reading about Journey. Once again, I apologize.

Jim

[X factor]

You guys do know that in the 70's the scientists were going to purposely MELT THE ICECAPS because they were convinced earth was going to freeze due to GLOBAL COOLING.

http://www.glennbeck.com/2006news/newsw ... gworld.pdf

Thank you! and for the record X-Factor, you need to go back and re-read my previous statement! I never said that the earth wasn't warming up, I said the majority of scientists don't believe in "Global warming" Meaning Man-made! I guess the cavemen were responsible for "Global cooling"??? I said the earth has been going through climate changes, since before we ever made the first Automobile! I also said that we can all do a little better of a job to preserve our natural resources.

And who the hell said anything about Democrats or Republicans??? I don't recall saying ANYTHING about Democrats...Don't put words in my mouth!

My apologies, Jim. Indeed you did not mention a political party...HOWEVER- look how many have in this thread? It seems that people are letting their hatred for Al Gore and liberals in gerneral blind them to his message.
I am aware that the Earth has been going through climate changes for millions of years. However, imho I don't see how someone could rationally think that the machinery of the modern age would not have previously unseen effects on our world.

And Jim, no apologies on your part necessary. You argue your points with logic and civility, and that earns you my respect, for what it's worth.

[Rick]

You know what,

I've broken one of my own 1st rules of coming in here to post, and for that I apologize. I promised myself that I would never come in here and discuss politics or religion. I have failed. I realize that people are from different regions of the world that come on here, and also that each of you are entitled to your own opinions. I apologize for "ruffling any feathers", and I will bow out of this conversation before feelings get hurt. I just have extremely strong convictions on this subject.

I will now go back to reading about Journey. Once again, I apologize.

Jim

It's all good brother. Your input is valued and appreciated.

[G.I.Jim]

You know what,

I've broken one of my own 1st rules of coming in here to post, and for that I apologize. I promised myself that I would never come in here and discuss politics or religion. I have failed. I realize that people are from different regions of the world that come on here, and also that each of you are entitled to your own opinions. I apologize for "ruffling any feathers", and I will bow out of this conversation before feelings get hurt. I just have extremely strong convictions on this subject.

I will now go back to reading about Journey. Once again, I apologize.

Jim

It's all good brother. Your input is valued and appreciated.

Thanks Rick, but I was serious. I can get really heated over some of these subjects, and I'm going to try to avoid them. I've been coming on here for several years, and looking in from the outside. I've loved this site, and have enjoyed a lot of posts from all of you. I only started posting on here in the last few months. I'll just try to keep my posts directed about Journey.

[X factor]

Uhh, yeah and all that machinery and those automobiles that have popped up over the last, say, 150 years (that WEREN'T there for the previous 2 million or so) have had NO effect whatsoever on the planet! My God, people, put your partisan bullshit aside for one moment and realize that there is a crisis going on.

And I don't know where you're getting your intel from. THe VAST majority of scientists out there DO believe global warming is and HAS occured. What they disagree on is the effect it will ultimately have, and WHEN that effect will start taking place.
This isn't a Republican or Democrat issue. It's a SURVIVAL issue. Perhaps we should all start to show a little concern for the world we're leaving behind for our grandchildren.

...but HEY...if that means I gotta stop driving my SUV why bother????

I agree. I don't know if Gore is the best ambassador for the job, but work need to start on global warming yesterday. Like you said, we've got millions of cars burning fossil fuel daily. We've got 100's of millions of air conditioning units belching out heat constantly. It has to have an effect. The effect is obvious. I went skiing in the southern Rocky mountains in February and skied on nothing but man made snow. The mountains were almost completely bare of snow. 20 years ago I was at the exact same ski resort during the same 3rd week of February and it was a winter wonderland. The kid at the ski rental shop said that this year was the best year for snow that they've had in 10 years, and the mountains were nearly bare. That freaked me the fuck out. It was 106° in Boise Idaho the other day. It was 116° in Las Vegas. The whole western part of the country is like an oven, and there are fires everywhere. People better wake up, or there's not going to be anything to wake up to.

Well, its been rainy for almost a month in Dallas, and North Texas had the coldest winter I ever saw here, so it seems to me that since Democrats took control of congress, global warming was been in retreat...at least thats how i see it from how the weather has changed around here..... the fact that weather or climate changes is not an indication ofr global warming. climate and weather has and always will change. The global warming theory suggests that man is causing the current changes, and not that the climate and weather is changing. Now everyone has bought into this, any time there is a heat wave, hail storm, or hurricane....its proof of global warming. That seems stupid to me. Maybe there is global warming, I dont say there is or isnt. Maybe there is justification to err on the side of caution, I won't argue against that. But the current attitude and hot air about global warming is dangerous too, because its not a science, but a religous cult that has taken control of people's senses. I think that scares me more than global warming does.

J-fan, with all due respect, THIS is reality, not religion:

(From the EPA)
What's Known
Scientists know with virtual certainty that:

Human activities are changing the composition of Earth's atmosphere. Increasing levels of greenhouse gases like carbon dioxide (CO2) in the atmosphere since pre-industrial times are well-documented and understood.
The atmospheric buildup of CO2 and other greenhouse gases is largely the result of human activities such as the burning of fossil fuels.
A warming trend of about 0.7 to 1.5°F occurred during the 20th century. Warming occurred in both the Northern and Southern Hemispheres, and over the oceans (NRC, 2001).
The major greenhouse gases emitted by human activities remain in the atmosphere for periods ranging from decades to centuries. It is therefore virtually certain that atmospheric concentrations of greenhouse gases will continue to rise over the next few decades.
Increasing greenhouse gas concentrations tend to warm the planet

[LucyFurr]

He made a movie, and got billions to watch a concert he put on. As well as being vice president.

And you?

His goal is not to "make a movie" or get people to "watch a concert" his goal is to convince you and everyone else to use less power in order to save the planet. You seem to be a dumb-ass too

I think that was uncalled for. I think GI is right, Gore needs to practice what he preaches. End of story. No need to bad mouth!

[Jeremey fan forever]

I think Al Gore's shot at the presidency is next to nil, but this global campaign might over come that....Al Gore, the first Emperor of the World!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[X factor]

Uhh, yeah and all that machinery and those automobiles that have popped up over the last, say, 150 years (that WEREN'T there for the previous 2 million or so) have had NO effect whatsoever on the planet! My God, people, put your partisan bullshit aside for one moment and realize that there is a crisis going on.

And I don't know where you're getting your intel from. THe VAST majority of scientists out there DO believe global warming is and HAS occured. What they disagree on is the effect it will ultimately have, and WHEN that effect will start taking place.
This isn't a Republican or Democrat issue. It's a SURVIVAL issue. Perhaps we should all start to show a little concern for the world we're leaving behind for our grandchildren.

...but HEY...if that means I gotta stop driving my SUV why bother????

I agree. I don't know if Gore is the best ambassador for the job, but work need to start on global warming yesterday. Like you said, we've got millions of cars burning fossil fuel daily. We've got 100's of millions of air conditioning units belching out heat constantly. It has to have an effect. The effect is obvious. I went skiing in the southern Rocky mountains in February and skied on nothing but man made snow. The mountains were almost completely bare of snow. 20 years ago I was at the exact same ski resort during the same 3rd week of February and it was a winter wonderland. The kid at the ski rental shop said that this year was the best year for snow that they've had in 10 years, and the mountains were nearly bare. That freaked me the fuck out. It was 106° in Boise Idaho the other day. It was 116° in Las Vegas. The whole western part of the country is like an oven, and there are fires everywhere. People better wake up, or there's not going to be anything to wake up to.

Well, its been rainy for almost a month in Dallas, and North Texas had the coldest winter I ever saw here, so it seems to me that since Democrats took control of congress, global warming was been in retreat...at least thats how i see it from how the weather has changed around here..... the fact that weather or climate changes is not an indication ofr global warming. climate and weather has and always will change. The global warming theory suggests that man is causing the current changes, and not that the climate and weather is changing. Now everyone has bought into this, any time there is a heat wave, hail storm, or hurricane....its proof of global warming. That seems stupid to me. Maybe there is global warming, I dont say there is or isnt. Maybe there is justification to err on the side of caution, I won't argue against that. But the current attitude and hot air about global warming is dangerous too, because its not a science, but a religous cult that has taken control of people's senses. I think that scares me more than global warming does.

J-fan, with all due respect, THIS is reality, not religion:

(From the EPA)
What's Known
Scientists know with virtual certainty that:

Human activities are changing the composition of Earth's atmosphere. Increasing levels of greenhouse gases like carbon dioxide (CO2) in the atmosphere since pre-industrial times are well-documented and understood.
The atmospheric buildup of CO2 and other greenhouse gases is largely the result of human activities such as the burning of fossil fuels.
A warming trend of about 0.7 to 1.5°F occurred during the 20th century. Warming occurred in both the Northern and Southern Hemispheres, and over the oceans (NRC, 2001).
The major greenhouse gases emitted by human activities remain in the atmosphere for periods ranging from decades to centuries. It is therefore virtually certain that atmospheric concentrations of greenhouse gases will continue to rise over the next few decades.
Increasing greenhouse gas concentrations tend to warm the planet

OK I'll shut up now.All I ask is the same of everyone who says "Do your research- don't believe AL Gore" I would ask that you do the same, and don't get your environmental facts from FOX news!

And quite frankly, that concert yesterday was so piss poor I almost wanted to go use MORE fossil fuels! GOD ALMIGHTY it's really pathetic when ROger Water's aged ass is the only thing I could find to get excited about in the largest concert ever!

[Greg]

You guys do know that in the 70's the scientists were going to purposely MELT THE ICECAPS because they were convinced earth was going to freeze due to GLOBAL COOLING.

http://www.glennbeck.com/2006news/newsw ... gworld.pdf

Thank you! and for the record X-Factor, you need to go back and re-read my previous statement! I never said that the earth wasn't warming up, I said the majority of scientists don't believe in "Global warming" Meaning Man-made! I guess the cavemen were responsible for "Global cooling"??? I said the earth has been going through climate changes, since before we ever made the first Automobile! I also said that we can all do a little better of a job to preserve our natural resources.

And who the hell said anything about Democrats or Republicans??? I don't recall saying ANYTHING about Democrats...Don't put words in my mouth!

My apologies, Jim. Indeed you did not mention a political party...HOWEVER- look how many have in this thread? It seems that people are letting their hatred for Al Gore and liberals in gerneral blind them to his message.
I am aware that the Earth has been going through climate changes for millions of years. However, imho I don't see how someone could rationally think that the machinery of the modern age would not have previously unseen effects on our world.

And Jim, no apologies on your part necessary. You argue your points with logic and civility, and that earns you my respect, for what it's worth.

I can definitley say I'm not a big Al Gore fan, but I don't hate the guy. I got some useful info from Live Earth, and I think that's great. I have my own opinions of global warming, but this is probably not the forum to speak on that, as it's a personal belief and I'd rather not have to get into a heated debate/argument about it...especially since I hate politics to begin with!

[Skylorde]

You know what,

I've broken one of my own 1st rules of coming in here to post, and for that I apologize. I promised myself that I would never come in here and discuss politics or religion. I have failed. I realize that people are from different regions of the world that come on here, and also that each of you are entitled to your own opinions. I apologize for "ruffling any feathers", and I will bow out of this conversation before feelings get hurt. I just have extremely strong convictions on this subject.

I will now go back to reading about Journey. Once again, I apologize.

Jim

Jim, you need not apologize for your beliefs. If you refrain from speaking out against the radical left, then you go back to becoming part of the silent majority.

This isn't about Republican or Democrat, of which I am neither. This is about exercising your first amendment rights. Traditionally Conservatives do not engage in public debate about politics in non-political arenas. Traditionally, Conservatives are not politically active either which is the reason the mouth pieces of the left scream and scream until someone gives them air time.

That mentality has to change and soon otherwise we are going to end up with the socialist utopia as envisioned by the likes of Pelosi and Kennedy.

Remember who the "original" right wing extremists were...

[Jeremey fan forever]

Uhh, yeah and all that machinery and those automobiles that have popped up over the last, say, 150 years (that WEREN'T there for the previous 2 million or so) have had NO effect whatsoever on the planet! My God, people, put your partisan bullshit aside for one moment and realize that there is a crisis going on.

And I don't know where you're getting your intel from. THe VAST majority of scientists out there DO believe global warming is and HAS occured. What they disagree on is the effect it will ultimately have, and WHEN that effect will start taking place.
This isn't a Republican or Democrat issue. It's a SURVIVAL issue. Perhaps we should all start to show a little concern for the world we're leaving behind for our grandchildren.

...but HEY...if that means I gotta stop driving my SUV why bother????

I agree. I don't know if Gore is the best ambassador for the job, but work need to start on global warming yesterday. Like you said, we've got millions of cars burning fossil fuel daily. We've got 100's of millions of air conditioning units belching out heat constantly. It has to have an effect. The effect is obvious. I went skiing in the southern Rocky mountains in February and skied on nothing but man made snow. The mountains were almost completely bare of snow. 20 years ago I was at the exact same ski resort during the same 3rd week of February and it was a winter wonderland. The kid at the ski rental shop said that this year was the best year for snow that they've had in 10 years, and the mountains were nearly bare. That freaked me the fuck out. It was 106° in Boise Idaho the other day. It was 116° in Las Vegas. The whole western part of the country is like an oven, and there are fires everywhere. People better wake up, or there's not going to be anything to wake up to.

Well, its been rainy for almost a month in Dallas, and North Texas had the coldest winter I ever saw here, so it seems to me that since Democrats took control of congress, global warming was been in retreat...at least thats how i see it from how the weather has changed around here..... the fact that weather or climate changes is not an indication ofr global warming. climate and weather has and always will change. The global warming theory suggests that man is causing the current changes, and not that the climate and weather is changing. Now everyone has bought into this, any time there is a heat wave, hail storm, or hurricane....its proof of global warming. That seems stupid to me. Maybe there is global warming, I dont say there is or isnt. Maybe there is justification to err on the side of caution, I won't argue against that. But the current attitude and hot air about global warming is dangerous too, because its not a science, but a religous cult that has taken control of people's senses. I think that scares me more than global warming does.

J-fan, with all due respect, THIS is reality, not religion:

(From the EPA)
What's Known
Scientists know with virtual certainty that:

Human activities are changing the composition of Earth's atmosphere. Increasing levels of greenhouse gases like carbon dioxide (CO2) in the atmosphere since pre-industrial times are well-documented and understood.
The atmospheric buildup of CO2 and other greenhouse gases is largely the result of human activities such as the burning of fossil fuels.
A warming trend of about 0.7 to 1.5°F occurred during the 20th century. Warming occurred in both the Northern and Southern Hemispheres, and over the oceans (NRC, 2001).
The major greenhouse gases emitted by human activities remain in the atmosphere for periods ranging from decades to centuries. It is therefore virtually certain that atmospheric concentrations of greenhouse gases will continue to rise over the next few decades.
Increasing greenhouse gas concentrations tend to warm the planet

Proving that there is climate change occuring does not prove global warming is occurring. If the global warming theory stated that "climates change" or "the earth is warming" I think the evidence could support that. Global warming suggests that it is HUMANS who are causing climate change, and this has not been shown. It may be happening, but it has not been shown. If the Al Gore's of the world would admit this and campaign for changing our habits as a precaution just in case we really are causing it, that is a cause I could readily support.

But all this shrill hyseteria about the sky falling without evidence, is like a religious cult, not science, and i won't listen to it.

You can not conclude that the cause of climate change is human. You can make all the observations about climate and weather that you like, but if you don't have evidence that man causes it, then you are only furthering "global warming" with your own hot air.

[G.I.Jim]

You know what,

I've broken one of my own 1st rules of coming in here to post, and for that I apologize. I promised myself that I would never come in here and discuss politics or religion. I have failed. I realize that people are from different regions of the world that come on here, and also that each of you are entitled to your own opinions. I apologize for "ruffling any feathers", and I will bow out of this conversation before feelings get hurt. I just have extremely strong convictions on this subject.

I will now go back to reading about Journey. Once again, I apologize.

Jim

Jim, you need not apologize for your beliefs. If you refrain from speaking out against the radical left, then you go back to becoming part of the silent majority.

This isn't about Republican or Democrat, of which I am neither. This is about exercising your first amendment rights. Traditionally Conservatives do not engage in public debate about politics in non-political arenas. Traditionally, Conservatives are not politically active either which is the reason the mouth pieces of the left scream and scream until someone gives them air time.

That mentality has to change and soon otherwise we are going to end up with the socialist utopia as envisioned by the likes of Pelosi and Kennedy.

Remember who the "original" right wing extremists were...

Thanks SkyLorde, and that was a great post. On one hand, I agree with you 100%. We obviously share a lot of common beliefs! At the same time, I don't know if this is the place for me to debate Left-wing radicals. I come here to get away from all of that, and think about Journey. Thanks again though.

[Skylorde]

If the Al Gore's of the world would admit this and campaign for changing our habits as a precaution just in case we really are causing it, that is a cause I could readily support.

That's excellent! Let me add, I do support changing our habits not just for precaution but also because fossil fuels cannot sustain us forever!

It's quite funny. At the end of the day, most people come to the same conclusion but the destination is lost in the "IS NOT!" "IS TOO!" "IS NOT!" "IS TOO!" argument.

I readily admit we need to radically change our thinking about energy, and fast, for a variety of reasons. Please don't jam junk science down my throat in trying to make your point.

[Jeremey fan forever]

If the Al Gore's of the world would admit this and campaign for changing our habits as a precaution just in case we really are causing it, that is a cause I could readily support.

That's excellent! Let me add, I do support changing our habits not just for precaution but also because fossil fuels cannot sustain us forever!

It's quite funny. At the end of the day, most people come to the same conclusion but the destination is lost in the "IS NOT!" "IS TOO!" "IS NOT!" "IS TOO!" argument.

I readily admit we need to radically change our thinking about energy, and fast, for a variety of reasons. Please don't jam junk science down my throat in trying to make your point.

Amen. There are plenty of valid reasons to change the current MO without ever a word about global warming theory. I think we should change along those lines, and soon. It will take a lot more than rock stars and sitting in darkened houses to make a difference though.

I'm not going to significantly decrease my standard of living. Neither is Al Gore, or Madonna. That is why Live Earth is nonsense. Its ideas are simplistic, and unsustainable. Nobody is going to give up their quality of life, no matter how high or how low.

Sustainable solutions will involve serious investment and advancement it alternative technologies, not reverting to candle power, and giving up bathing.

[Lady Luck]

I thought Keith Urban and Alicia Keys' performance kicked ass!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5u2HPbPy0wk

That's one performance I did manage to catch...very good!

[squirt1]

Why does man try to take his lifespan as what is real when this earth has constantly had extreme heat followed by Ice Ages.This planet is 4.5 billion yrs old and everything is cyclical. I do believe that we should try to conserve, recycle and not waste. But, these politicians use this as a way to make money. And God save us all if Gore thinks this would make him a front runner again. Scientists say we are in a 1,300 sun cycle and Mars has sun effects ,too. These politicians think that while they take separate flights, hog energy for their huge estates drive limos etc we should change our ways. Who said "let them eat cake and what happened to her"? She lost her throne and so should these 2 bit politicians. Please someone do the equation.... If someone stuck a pin in Al Gore how much co2 and methane would be released? I would bet that John Kerry still could take him in the hot air category. The biggest poluters are under ocean volcanoes, above ground volcanoes, animal methane and then maybe China and India followed by Russia. Stop bashing yourselves. G I Jim, I am honored to read your post.

[G.I.Jim]

Why does man try to take his lifespan as what is real when this earth has constantly had extreme heat followed by Ice Ages.This planet is 4.5 billion yrs old and everything is cyclical. I do believe that we should try to conserve, recycle and not waste. But, these politicians use this as a way to make money. And God save us all if Gore thinks this would make him a front runner again. Scientists say we are in a 1,300 sun cycle and Mars has sun effects ,too. These politicians think that while they take separate flights, hog energy for their huge estates drive limos etc we should change our ways. Who said "let them eat cake and what happened to her"? She lost her throne and so should these 2 bit politicians. Please someone do the equation.... If someone stuck a pin in Al Gore how much co2 and methane would be released? I would bet that John Kerry still could take him in the hot air category. The biggest poluters are under ocean volcanoes, above ground volcanoes, animal methane and then maybe China and India followed by Russia. Stop bashing yourselves. G I Jim, I am honored to read your post.

Thank you Squirt1. I appreciate it. I also agree with your post 100%! You would think that these millionaires that claim to be worried about the environment would at least invest in solar power, windmills, and build smaller houses to help conserve! I don't believe these are being put to use in Al or John's houses. It would ruin the appearances of those "Mansions" they like to preach from.

[Just Mindy]

I thought Keith Urban and Alicia Keys' performance kicked ass!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5u2HPbPy0wk

That's the first time I've ever heard either of them...pretty good, I thought.

[Moon Beam]

I thought Keith Urban and Alicia Keys' performance kicked ass!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5u2HPbPy0wk

That's the first time I've ever heard either of them...pretty good, I thought.

You serious Mindy?....wow.
I love Alicia Keys, have one of her cd's.
Keith Urban does nothing for me but this was a fantastic performance.



Thanks muchly for throwin up a link Deb1.

[Rick]

There's a lot of evidence supporting that the earth is heating up because of greenhouse gases. I see words like junk science and stuff like that, and it's that same perspective that says that one volcanic eruption can do more damage to the atmosphere than humans have since the earth cooled. Why is the science that talks about volcanic eruptions any better than the science that suggests human created pollution is causing the warming? These are just questions that bother me. They talk about 1.5° increases, but when I was in the Rockies in February, they talked about how the snow was gone since it had gotten warmer. They hadn't had snow on the mountains that lasted throughout the day without melting off in 10 years. There was a 25+° difference in my two trips there over the span of 18 years. When I got there 18 years prior, it was 6°F outside the first morning. It never got above 22°F that whole week. This time it never got below 30°F at any point that I was there, and got up as high as 48°F.

It scares the shit out of me. It's too coincidental that humans are burning more fossil fuel than ever before, and by pretty hefty margins, and the earth is warming at a pretty alarming rate. Maybe the atmosphere is now just too saturated with pollution to handle any more, and we've reached that level in the last 15 to 20 years.

I keep hearing people saying we shouldn't listen to these claims because they're baseless, but just think about the consequences if these claims are in fact correct and we do nothing.

[JrnyScarab]

Here's some interesting news about Greenland. Seems the computer models about Greenland's past weren't accurate. It appears to me there is always something new and surprising to learn. To suggest that scientists know absolutely about global warming is not true. Too many variables to account for. Hell, they can't even predict the weather 5 days from now using their supercomputers. How can they possible know what 50 years from now will be like. Man is not the only factor in all this. We can do what we can but I'm afraid it won't be enough to offset the natural part of this warming.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news ... t-dna.html

[G.I.Jim]

There's a lot of evidence supporting that the earth is heating up because of greenhouse gases. I see words like junk science and stuff like that, and it's that same perspective that says that one volcanic eruption can do more damage to the atmosphere than humans have since the earth cooled. Why is the science that talks about volcanic eruptions any better than the science that suggests human created pollution is causing the warming? These are just questions that bother me. They talk about 1.5° increases, but when I was in the Rockies in February, they talked about how the snow was gone since it had gotten warmer. They hadn't had snow on the mountains that lasted throughout the day without melting off in 10 years. There was a 25+° difference in my two trips there over the span of 18 years. When I got there 18 years prior, it was 6°F outside the first morning. It never got above 22°F that whole week. This time it never got below 30°F at any point that I was there, and got up as high as 48°F.

It scares the shit out of me. It's too coincidental that humans are burning more fossil fuel than ever before, and by pretty hefty margins, and the earth is warming at a pretty alarming rate. Maybe the atmosphere is now just too saturated with pollution to handle any more, and we've reached that level in the last 15 to 20 years.

I keep hearing people saying we shouldn't listen to these claims because they're baseless, but just think about the consequences if these claims are in fact correct and we do nothing.

Let's see what this man has to say about it Rick. http://www.newswithviews.com/NWVexclusi ... ive113.htm

Go to the 4th paragraph! This isn't the only place I've read that volcano's (Even small to medium sized) put more pollutants into the air than ALL pollutants put here by man. Just the 1st one I pulled up!

[Moon Beam]

It scares the shit out of me. It's too coincidental that humans are burning more fossil fuel than ever before, and by pretty hefty margins, and the earth is warming at a pretty alarming rate.

I am not one of them.........though I still fancy a nice long Sunday ride in the country
and sitting by a wood friendly fire pit, I have tried to make my family's lives more
waste less for years.
I recycle toilet paper rolls and don't have a/c.
It's very irritating to see it advertised or shot out everywhere but in the end
if doing simple tasks help in the bigger beauty, I'm in.
Every extra step I take to do simple things saves my waistline even without
the environment argument.