"An Incredible Journey for Bands New Frontman"

[annie89509]

Like I said, all the Journey drama must rub off on the fans. If they come here and read this stuff, they must be laughing their asses off.

Back to the article, it seems to me the SP connection is what keeps Journey in the limelight. As long as there's breath, there will always be that glimmer of hope that Steve will return. Heck, all the lead singer replacements (from SA to JSS to AP) have mentioned stepping aside should SP decide to come back.

I mean, does any of us know for sure SP is truly retired? If we know for sure, dare I say half of us would really be done with Journey. I know I would be, I would have all the records and boots I need to listen to.

Hey, Neal and Jon are not as dumb as we thought.

[perryfaithful]

I had hoped re recording the classic songs, the dirty dozen, with a new front man was a bad rumor. Sadly (at least for me) I think this reporter found it true. (?)

[ohsherrie]

I cant wait for this DVD, and I cant wait for Journey to play in all the states surrounding where I live because I plan to see them in Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, Tennessee, and Alabama if they play it. Sure glad I payed the creit card down to near nothing and didnt break it out at Christmas!!! Also cant wait to see Frontiers in March back in Atlanta again. I plan on 2008 being a "Journey" year!!!

I'll just see Frontiers with my friends,

See you on the 5th and 11th!

I can't make the 5th, but I'll be seeing you both on the 11th.

Hey PF, you should try to make it down.

[annie89509]

I had hoped re recording the classic songs, the dirty dozen, with a new front man was a bad rumor. Sadly (at least for me) I think this reporter found it true. (?)

Yes, that is sad, and it will be bittersweet for all Perry fans to listen to those songs on a record. I don't think Neal&Jon care what we think, though.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Back to topic: Something that is being brought up is the fact that all the new songs were pre-written. That just doesn't sound like a "BAND" anymore.

What else is new?
This is status quo.
The best material produced since the band regrouped has been written primarily by Neal and Jon.
Augeri left his mark on a handful of tunes, but as far as recent bonafide classics are concerned, fans have as much a debt of gratitude owed to Jack Blades.

Maybe Cain felt threatened by Jeff’s lyrical prowess and decided to up his game for this impending release.

Part of what fuels Neal and Jon, I think, is spite towards Steve Perry. It seems they are constantly trying to convince the world, (and to a degree, themselves) that Journey’s success was earned on their backs as much as, if not more so, Perry’s.
So it should come as no surprise that they are highly reluctant to let ANY lead singer (Augeri, Soto, Pineda etc) have any appreciable sway.
Even the company’s official name “NoMoTa” a.k.a. No-More-Tails reeks of this petty "fuck-you Steve" sentiment.
At least, that's my armchair psychologist take on it.

[Rockindeano]

This Board NEEDS TNC. He is the voice of reason. He is my Robin Quivers.

[The_Noble_Cause]

I had hoped re recording the classic songs, the dirty dozen, with a new front man was a bad rumor. Sadly (at least for me) I think this reporter found it true. (?)

What difference does it make?
It's not as if these new recordings will supplant the original catalog or their cushy well-hewed spot in music history.
This is no different than a remake of a classic movie.
I reiterate, it's no more a big deal than the 2001 Augeri dvd of the hits.

[Lula]

I had hoped re recording the classic songs, the dirty dozen, with a new front man was a bad rumor. Sadly (at least for me) I think this reporter found it true. (?)

Yes, that is sad, and it will be bittersweet for all Perry fans to listen to those songs on a record. I don't think Neal&Jon care what we think, though.

I'd say Journey fans for the most part.

[ohsherrie]

I had hoped re recording the classic songs, the dirty dozen, with a new front man was a bad rumor. Sadly (at least for me) I think this reporter found it true. (?)

What difference does it make?
It's not as if these new recordings will supplant the original catalog or their cushy well-hewed spot in music history.
This is no different than a remake of a classic movie.
I reiterate, it's no more a big deal than the 2001 Augeri dvd of the hits.

You're probably right about the actual impact of it TNC, but it's such an abominable affront to Perry and his fans that if I had no other reason to hate them this would be quite enough.

Nice to hear from you by the way.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Seems the original thread with this article got a bit sidetracked and therefore locked.
Try this Again! I thought the article was worth having around for a few days, not everyone gets here daily!
As "up to date" as we have it seems.


http://www.marinij.com/lifestyles/ci_7826224

Thanks for the article PF,

What’s so striking to me is the complete and utter acquiescence to the yoke of Perry past.
Any pretext of forging ahead is now completely absent from the equation.
As it currently reads, this article stands as a tacit admission on their part that they tried to break free from the stigma of being 80’s has-beens, and simply couldn’t hack it.
It seems that Neal, in his late age, is finally warming to the idea that what little success Journey had is due NOT to the sum of all parts, but rather, one factor alone.
Whether its true or not, is irrelevant.
The band has laid down their arms and instead of dissembling on the issue of hiring copycats (as they did with Augeri), have now opted to embrace it whole hog.

Personally, I can’t imagine hardcore OR casual fans getting worked up for a lineup which not only admits to being counterfeit, but incredulously, plays it up as a PR strength (!!!).

This album had better be fucking amazing.

[annie89509]

[quote="The_Noble_CauseEven the company’s official name “NoMoTa” a.k.a. No-More-Tails reeks of this petty "fuck-you Steve" sentiment.
At least, that's my armchair psychologist take on it.[/quote]

This always has bothered me. I only jumped on the fan-wagon a few years ago and now know the whole saga. I get it, there was a lot of acrimony when Steve couldn't/refused to tour for TBF. And that name likely was created for the corporation that was to be the new Journey. But it's been almost 10 long years, everybody has moved on, or so they say. Neal has stated several times, at the HWOF and interviews since: "life is too short, I won't hold a grudge if he doesn't." Words to that effect. So why keep this name, then? Extend an olive branch and change the corporate name. It IS a slap in the face, imo.

[larryfromnextdoor]

TNC , your hamburger is not showing right now.. i got you another one..

[ScarabGator]

Seems the original thread with this article got a bit sidetracked and therefore locked.
Try this Again! I thought the article was worth having around for a few days, not everyone gets here daily!
As "up to date" as we have it seems.


http://www.marinij.com/lifestyles/ci_7826224

Thanks for the article PF,

What’s so striking to me is the complete and utter acquiescence to the yoke of Perry past.
Any pretext of forging ahead is now completely absent from the equation.
As it currently reads, this article stands as a tacit admission on their part that they tried to break free from the stigma of being 80’s has-beens, and simply couldn’t hack it.
It seems that Neal, in his late age, is finally warming to the idea that what little success Journey had is due NOT to the sum of all parts, but rather, one factor alone.
Whether its true or not, is irrelevant.
The band has laid down their arms and instead of dissembling on the issue of hiring copycats (as they did with Augeri), have now opted to embrace it whole hog.

Personally, I can’t imagine hardcore OR casual fans getting worked up for a lineup which not only admits to being counterfeit, but incredulously, plays it up as a PR strength (!!!).

This album had better be fucking amazing.

The way I see it is bands go thru personnel all the time, its part of the biz. Even important parts of the band. Back in the 70's everyone probably dreaded the fact that Robert Fleischman was being replaced, or Greg Rollie was leaving. "How can they bring in this Jon Cain, or Steve Perry, or Randy Jackson, etc, etc, etc." But it happened and we remained fans. Journey is the band that Neal Schon and Greg Rollie founded. Its their right to push forward with a new singer. Kiss replaced Ace Frehely and Peter Criss and I remember thinking how can they keep on? Well, they seem to still be doing a pretty good job. I think they deserve a chance to prove themselves, whether they are still relevant or not. If it doesnt feel like your cup of tea then move away from it. But give it a chance, I think thats all they ask. Journey is bigger than any one person and as a band its their perogative to add/replace new members.

[The_Noble_Cause]

The way I see it is bands go thru personnel all the time, its part of the biz. Even important parts of the band. Back in the 70's everyone probably dreaded the fact that Robert Fleischman was being replaced, or Greg Rollie was leaving. "How can they bring in this Jon Cain, or Steve Perry, or Randy Jackson, etc, etc, etc." But it happened and we remained fans. Journey is the band that Neal Schon and Greg Rollie founded. Its their right to push forward with a new singer. Kiss replaced Ace Frehely and Peter Criss and I remember thinking how can they keep on? Well, they seem to still be doing a pretty good job. I think they deserve a chance to prove themselves, whether they are still relevant or not. If it doesnt feel like your cup of tea then move away from it. But give it a chance, I think thats all they ask. Journey is bigger than any one person and as a band its their perogative to add/replace new members.

I'm not questioning their right to sally forth - I am simply aghast at the way they are handling it.
With Augeri and Soto, adherence to “the Perry sound” was mentioned in passing, but never conceded as the central lynchpin to the band’s success.
The same cannot be said about this interview or the official press release.
The familiar refrain of "he's similar enough that we can cover the classics, but still allowing us to explore new directions" is nowhere to be found.
They aren't even trying to disguise what detractors have been leveling at them since finally regrouping: that they are nothing without Steve Perry.

I don't agree with it, but how do you make that case in the face of a new lineup and a venal bandleader that has clearly given up the good fight?

[chf34jmac]

TNC you're right on the mark with that last post. How can anyone argue that they've thrown in the towel and finally realized that they are NOTHING close to what they once were without Perry at the helm.

[ohsherrie]

The way I see it is bands go thru personnel all the time, its part of the biz.

I was going to respond to this, but what I wrote quickly became a personal attack because there's just no other way to account for this statement than...................

OK, I almost did it again. I'm letting it go now.

[ScarabGator]

The way I see it is bands go thru personnel all the time, its part of the biz. Even important parts of the band. Back in the 70's everyone probably dreaded the fact that Robert Fleischman was being replaced, or Greg Rollie was leaving. "How can they bring in this Jon Cain, or Steve Perry, or Randy Jackson, etc, etc, etc." But it happened and we remained fans. Journey is the band that Neal Schon and Greg Rollie founded. Its their right to push forward with a new singer. Kiss replaced Ace Frehely and Peter Criss and I remember thinking how can they keep on? Well, they seem to still be doing a pretty good job. I think they deserve a chance to prove themselves, whether they are still relevant or not. If it doesnt feel like your cup of tea then move away from it. But give it a chance, I think thats all they ask. Journey is bigger than any one person and as a band its their perogative to add/replace new members.

I'm not questioning their right to sally forth - I am simply aghast at the way they are handling it.
With Augeri and Soto, adherence to “the Perry sound” was mentioned in passing, but never conceded as the central lynchpin to the band’s success.
The same cannot be said about this interview or the official press release.
The familiar refrain of "he's similar enough that we can cover the classics, but still allowing us to explore new directions" is nowhere to be found.
They aren't even trying to disguise what detractors have been leveling at them since finally regrouping: that they are nothing without Steve Perry.

I don't agree with it, but how do you make that case in the face of a new lineup and a venal bandleader that has clearly given up the good fight?

They know where their success was so it would be wise for them to never change that sound. To me, that would be a bigger mistake. The sound is whats made them what they are. If they cant convince "The Voice" to return with that sound then might as well get the next closest thing.

[ScarabGator]

The way I see it is bands go thru personnel all the time, its part of the biz.

I was going to respond to this, but what I wrote quickly became a personal attack because there's just no other way to account for this statement than...................

OK, I almost did it again. I'm letting it go now.

Go ahead OS. Im a big boy and can handle it! I know not everyone feels the same way as I do and thats alright. Its what makes this country so damn great.

[ohsherrie]

The way I see it is bands go thru personnel all the time, its part of the biz.

I was going to respond to this, but what I wrote quickly became a personal attack because there's just no other way to account for this statement than...................

OK, I almost did it again. I'm letting it go now.

Go ahead OS. Im a big boy and can handle it! I know not everyone feels the same way as I do and thats alright. Its what makes this country so damn great.

OK, if you think of Steve Perry as nothing more than expendable personnel to Journey then you.............................

I just can't say it SC because I know Drew would be very pissed at me if I did.

[donnaplease]

The way I see it is bands go thru personnel all the time, its part of the biz. Even important parts of the band. Back in the 70's everyone probably dreaded the fact that Robert Fleischman was being replaced, or Greg Rollie was leaving. "How can they bring in this Jon Cain, or Steve Perry, or Randy Jackson, etc, etc, etc." But it happened and we remained fans. Journey is the band that Neal Schon and Greg Rollie founded. Its their right to push forward with a new singer. Kiss replaced Ace Frehely and Peter Criss and I remember thinking how can they keep on? Well, they seem to still be doing a pretty good job. I think they deserve a chance to prove themselves, whether they are still relevant or not. If it doesnt feel like your cup of tea then move away from it. But give it a chance, I think thats all they ask. Journey is bigger than any one person and as a band its their perogative to add/replace new members.

They know where their success was so it would be wise for them to never change that sound. To me, that would be a bigger mistake. The sound is whats made them what they are. If they cant convince "The Voice" to return with that sound then might as well get the next closest thing.

Frank,

Can you not see the hypocrisy in your two posts? If they wanted to prove how relevant they are as musicians, the smart thing would've been to move into a new direction with JSS. Actually, by flat-out admitting that Steve Perry's voice is what made them great (and since he won't sing for them, scouring the internet for someone that sounds just like him) it seems to me that they are proving exactly how irrelevant they truly are. JMO.

[ohsherrie]

The way I see it is bands go thru personnel all the time, its part of the biz. Even important parts of the band. Back in the 70's everyone probably dreaded the fact that Robert Fleischman was being replaced, or Greg Rollie was leaving. "How can they bring in this Jon Cain, or Steve Perry, or Randy Jackson, etc, etc, etc." But it happened and we remained fans. Journey is the band that Neal Schon and Greg Rollie founded. Its their right to push forward with a new singer. Kiss replaced Ace Frehely and Peter Criss and I remember thinking how can they keep on? Well, they seem to still be doing a pretty good job. I think they deserve a chance to prove themselves, whether they are still relevant or not. If it doesnt feel like your cup of tea then move away from it. But give it a chance, I think thats all they ask. Journey is bigger than any one person and as a band its their perogative to add/replace new members.

They know where their success was so it would be wise for them to never change that sound. To me, that would be a bigger mistake. The sound is whats made them what they are. If they cant convince "The Voice" to return with that sound then might as well get the next closest thing.

Frank,

Can you not see the hypocrisy in your two posts? If they wanted to prove how relevant they are as musicians, the smart thing would've been to move into a new direction with JSS. Actually, by flat-out admitting that Steve Perry's voice is what made them great (and since he won't sing for them, scouring the internet for someone that sounds just like him) it seems to me that they are proving exactly how irrelevant they truly are. JMO.

Bless you Donna. That's what I meant to say before my temper tied my fingers.

[ScarabGator]

The way I see it is bands go thru personnel all the time, its part of the biz. Even important parts of the band. Back in the 70's everyone probably dreaded the fact that Robert Fleischman was being replaced, or Greg Rollie was leaving. "How can they bring in this Jon Cain, or Steve Perry, or Randy Jackson, etc, etc, etc." But it happened and we remained fans. Journey is the band that Neal Schon and Greg Rollie founded. Its their right to push forward with a new singer. Kiss replaced Ace Frehely and Peter Criss and I remember thinking how can they keep on? Well, they seem to still be doing a pretty good job. I think they deserve a chance to prove themselves, whether they are still relevant or not. If it doesnt feel like your cup of tea then move away from it. But give it a chance, I think thats all they ask. Journey is bigger than any one person and as a band its their perogative to add/replace new members.

They know where their success was so it would be wise for them to never change that sound. To me, that would be a bigger mistake. The sound is whats made them what they are. If they cant convince "The Voice" to return with that sound then might as well get the next closest thing.

Frank,

Can you not see the hypocrisy in your two posts? If they wanted to prove how relevant they are as musicians, the smart thing would've been to move into a new direction with JSS. Actually, by flat-out admitting that Steve Perry's voice is what made them great (and since he won't sing for them, scouring the internet for someone that sounds just like him) it seems to me that they are proving exactly how irrelevant they truly are. JMO.

I didnt mean it to sound that way. Im simply stating that if they wanna continue the band then they should, and if SP doesnt want any involvement then so be it. But the band shouldnt put their careers away and kill off the Journey name because of SP not wanting to be in the band anymore. Now think about it-when SP first left and you heard Augeri was coming in werent you skeptical? But he did an admirable job and won over most of the fan base. Perry will always be the man, no doubt, but its his choice to not be involved. And Journey should continue if this is what Neal Schon sees fit to do. And the formula of success is the SP sound so why not find the next best thing? I can understand why they didnt think JSS fit. While trying to remain relevant in todays music world they are built on the dirty dozen and 75% of people who see them live want these tunes, and only these tunes. Soto did a great job belting them out, but it wasnt the sound that the 75% I referred to came to know and love. It was Journey before SP, and it will be Journey after SP evidentally. By the way, my name is Tim, not Frank but you seem like a nice person and not insulting like some here so you can call me whatever you like!

[ScarabGator]

The way I see it is bands go thru personnel all the time, its part of the biz.

I was going to respond to this, but what I wrote quickly became a personal attack because there's just no other way to account for this statement than...................

OK, I almost did it again. I'm letting it go now.

Go ahead OS. Im a big boy and can handle it! I know not everyone feels the same way as I do and thats alright. Its what makes this country so damn great.

OK, if you think of Steve Perry as nothing more than expendable personnel to Journey then you.............................

I just can't say it SC because I know Drew would be very pissed at me if I did.

OS, of course I dont see SP this way. He is the man. If I ever met him I would probably pass out. It would be a dream come true if somehow he and Journey could overcome the issues and reunite. Im sorry I gave this impression. I just merely want to see what Journey can do next and will remain eager about it.

[Lula]

I just merely want to see what Journey can do next and will remain eager about it.

I so wish I was feeling this way. I was so excited to hear new music that showed the level of talent in the band before letting JSS go. The search for that "legacy" sound has left me with the feeling that the creative well has run dry and faith in their own talents has vanished. It seems as though the search for a Perry sound a like is where their energy was spent and sadly their glory days have been lived out.

[ohsherrie]

OS, of course I dont see SP this way. He is the man. If I ever met him I would probably pass out. It would be a dream come true if somehow he and Journey could overcome the issues and reunite. Im sorry I gave this impression. I just merely want to see what Journey can do next and will remain eager about it.

Thank you for clearing that up.

I just read your response to Donna though and have to disagree with you. You said:

when SP first left and you heard Augeri was coming in werent you skeptical? But he did an admirable job and won over most of the fan base

I never thought he did an admirable job and he didn't do what most of the fanbase called an admirable job. He did what most of the people who were allowed to post at BT called an admirable job. If most of the fanbase had called it an admirable job most of the people at the concerts would have known who he was and maybe they would have wanted to hear something off Arrival.

Augeri was their first failure and Arnel will be their second. JSS was the only chance they had to be something besides just another pathetic nostalgia act.

[conversationpc]

If most of the fanbase had called it an admirable job most of the people at the concerts would have known who he was and maybe they would have wanted to hear something off Arrival.

For the longest time, most of the folks going to Journey shows didn't even realize Perry had been replaced. That speaks pretty well of Augeri, if you ask me.

[ohsherrie]

If most of the fanbase had called it an admirable job most of the people at the concerts would have known who he was and maybe they would have wanted to hear something off Arrival.

For the longest time, most of the folks going to Journey shows didn't even realize Perry had been replaced. That speaks pretty well of Augeri, if you ask me.

Anyone who didn't know that wasn't Perry was probably a casual fan and never visited a Journey or Perry messageboard. There were at least as many fans on the internet who didn't like Augeri as did. They just weren't accepted or allowed on the Journey messageboards. Even those that didn't know it wasn't Perry didn't want to hear anything that Perry didn't make familiar to them though did they?

If all that matters is hearing someone who sounds like Steve Perry sing the classics why pay Journey prices? There are lots of tribute bands that have singers who sound more like Perry than Augeri ever did. If Neal and/or Jon are as much of the sound as Perry then why does the singer they choose have to sound as much like Perry as possible?

Who the hell asked you anyway?

[perryfaithful]

Augeri was their first failure and Arnel will be their second. JSS was the only chance they had to be something besides just another pathetic nostalgia act.

right with you

[mistiejourney]

:?: So whad'ya think perryfaithful....will YOU give the NEW Journey a listen?

Think Not...

You?

I might listen, I won't buy or see in concert. I can appreciate that Arnel is a good singer, maybe even great. I'm tired of Journey's antics. It's Journey I'm through with. Many good wishes to Arnel, though.

[mistiejourney]

doesnt sound like they let Arnel write one single lyric..

new singer= 0 input

AND he was so nervous he wasn't sleeping AND they gave him no advance info on the songs AND he was HOARSE from a "cold" when they talked to him.

Geeze, sounds like they aren't treating Arnel any better.

They don't want him for writing, they want him for singing. And the day he can't will be the day Neal hits You Tube.

Very sad.