'Journey, will they ever get back to be a real band ?'

[Saint John]

Overall people played to per tour versus the late 80's...Down

Of course it is, they aren't stupid enough to be doing back to back 250-date tours anymore either.
I was right.

Albums sold versus the late 80's...Down

True - different market.
I was right.

Percent of live shows live versus the late 80's...Down

See answer to first one.....and ignoring the "live" comment.
I was right.

They're doing well, but they are NOT "still going strong as ever." That is pure poppycock.

Going a lot stronger than most of the others in their genre.

Sounds like a concession to me!!!

[Deb]

Overall people played to per tour versus the late 80's...Down

Of course it is, they aren't stupid enough to be doing back to back 250-date tours anymore either.
I was right.

Albums sold versus the late 80's...Down

True - different market.
I was right.

Percent of live shows live versus the late 80's...Down

See answer to first one.....and ignoring the "live" comment.
I was right.

They're doing well, but they are NOT "still going strong as ever." That is pure poppycock.

Going a lot stronger than most of the others in their genre.

Sounds like a concession to me!!!

[Saint John]

Overall people played to per tour versus the late 80's...Down

Of course it is, they aren't stupid enough to be doing back to back 250-date tours anymore either.
I was right.

Albums sold versus the late 80's...Down

True - different market.
I was right.

Percent of live shows live versus the late 80's...Down

See answer to first one.....and ignoring the "live" comment.
I was right.

They're doing well, but they are NOT "still going strong as ever." That is pure poppycock.

Going a lot stronger than most of the others in their genre.

Sounds like a concession to me!!!

Don't be so hard on yourself, Deb.

[Deb]

Overall people played to per tour versus the late 80's...Down

Of course it is, they aren't stupid enough to be doing back to back 250-date tours anymore either.
I was right.

Albums sold versus the late 80's...Down

True - different market.
I was right.

Percent of live shows live versus the late 80's...Down

See answer to first one.....and ignoring the "live" comment.
I was right.

They're doing well, but they are NOT "still going strong as ever." That is pure poppycock.

Going a lot stronger than most of the others in their genre.

Sounds like a concession to me!!!

Don't be so hard on yourself, Deb.

Don't make me hurt you.

[Journey69]

Oh yeah...Brian May's sappy thoughts again. If he was so impressed with Jeff he should've hired him for Queen. Journey did go with option 4...just not his option 4. Arnel doesn't look like Steve Perry and they're making new music with him. What the fuck else do people want? Fuckin' crybabies. May's got a viable rocking group. He should keep his nose out of Journey's business. Either that or at least attack a real poser band...say Bon Jovi or Def Leppard. I guess it's OK for your show to be pre-recorded shit if you have the original lineup. But he'd rather attack a group that is doing the exact same thing they were going to do when his buddy was in the band. Play the hits on tour and record a new album. What a douchebag.

x2 on what you said.. Also,I still don't think the production on Frontiers was as good as say,Escape,hell even Arrival...

[wildone]

Here's some interesting thoughts from Mr Marcel Jacob (from few months ago) regarding Journey and their choice of singer.
Having followed Marcel's career for over 20 years as a fan and friend, Ive always enjoyed Marcel's blogs and this one is no exception. Marcel can truly see things from every different aspect and describe things the best way that only he can.


Journey, will they ever get back to be a real band ?

Probably not! I was planning to write about Journey later. But last night, the insomaniac that I am, I surfed sites I don't visit regularly. And I came across the information that there is a guy named Arnell Pineda that supposedly might be the new singer for Journey.
I had to check him out, like I did Jeremy and Hugo when the talk's been about them. This guy Arnell sings better than either of those two, but I still can't help but wonder what he sounds like when he is Arnell and not impersonating real vocalists...which he does pull off though.

But if I was Arnell I would think joining Journey over quite a bit. What kind of career would it be trying to be Steve Perry night after night ? Would I want to take the risk of public humiliation getting fired for no real reason, especially since I would have to sign a one way contract regulating my possibilities of giving my side of things ? Do I need to be given the silent treatment by Neal whenever he feels upset over something, which apparently happens more often than not ? Do I need to be treated like an intruder by their callous and moneygrubbing management whenever I wonder if I'll get paid, even though I'm supposed to be in the band ?
I think I'd tell them to fuck off...

They had the chance of moving forward with some prospect of having a new sound. Instead they seem to want to, much like old people who start to reminisce, go back to what they once were. Apparently they don't see that it will be fake. For Arnell Pineda, if he does join, maybe it will be a great move going from a cover band like the Zoo apparently is, to a better and more well paid cover band gig. For Schon & Cain maybe it's a good move going from a real singer like Jeff to someone who can fake it to their liking. For the Journey fans, well, if I was one, I would feel quite cheated.

Me, I am still angry about the inhuman manner in which Jeff was treated. Enough has been said about it, probably. I just hope people won't forget.

By the way: Edge of the blade is one of my favourite Journey songs. It was suggested some years ago that Human Clay should contribute a cover for a Journey tribute CD. That never came to fruition. But since we still have it and it will never be released anywhere, I chose to put it on here for a while, just to show interested people how cool Journey could have been had they not elected to look for a SP clone...hurry up and download, I'll eventually remove it.

This Fuckin Guy Hit The Nail Right on The Fuckin Head!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[treetopovskaya]

marcel probably witness irl how jss was affected by the way neal & co treated him. he has every right to be upset. jss is his friend & brother. maybe jss can't speak but his friends can. }:C))

[Deb]

marcel probably witness irl how jss was affected by the way neal & co treated him. he has every right to be upset. jss is his friend & brother. maybe jss can't speak but his friends can. }:C))

True, and Marcel's got an opinion just like all the rest of us.

[texafana]

....Thing is though, Journey's going to put out an album with Arnel that, as far as I can see, will have a 90% chance of staying 100% within the Journey sound without breaking any new ground or progressing at all. With Jeff, Journey had a chance to completely change their sound and go into what had been uncharted territory with the band. Arnel's a great singer, yes, but with JSS the band had an opportunity to explore a wealth of other influences. I agree with so many of Brian May's points and hold him in a higher artistic regard than Journey as a whole, because he's changed and reinvented what he's been about several times.

I see no reason Arnel can't go in any direction Journey wants to go. Let's face it, the guy could probably sing any style asked of him, so I don't see Arnel limiting any potential new direction. Arnel has proved by his YouTube antics that he has many singing styles available. That had to have made the Journey camp think in several possible directions. (Re-do the classics, record new material, etc.)

[Calbear94]

I still think Brian May's comments nail it. They had Option 4 with Jeff.


http://www.brianmay.com/brian/brianssb/brianssb.html

May is a hypocrite. If he is such a big Soto fan why didn't he give him a semi-permanent job as the new lead singer of Queen. He cashed in with Rogers. Journey tried to give Soto an even bigger shot that Queen did, but for whatever reason it wasn't meant to be. I do agree that Schon and Cain should have been more professional in their firing of Jeff, though.

[stevew2]

No No way

[annie89509]

So I gather this thread is in arguing mode?

BTW, why the heck do people feel the need to change their addy's? As a long-time visitor, I like to think I know everyone here. I just figured out EgoCrusher is Behshad. And TVL, The Voice Lover as she was first known, is now BlueSkies. And where is AR (ArrivalRules)?

hence the disclaimer ...I am only me....Beshad?..just finding out about that myself. AR is now a poltergiest...one of those shape shifters...Drew locked the door and did an exorcism but he keeps seeping back in through cracks from time to time in different forms. You missed out on Larry's name changes...those where great! ...you see..when you miss out on episodes of As The MR World Turns it gets hard to follow the plot line.....of course you could go back and try to catch up with reruns but there are those pulled shows...I wonder if Andrew has a bunch of lost episodes in a vault somewhere?

Just joshing with ya, TVL, er BlueSkies, er Regan . I do recall Larry had some name changes, but they were only for a brief time, and I don't remember what they were now. Ah, yes, this board is a lot of fun -- all this drama. I have always said Journey fans must take after our favorite band .... but what does that say about us as civilized human beings ?

[lparn]

I am not sure if that is ever going to happen.
It is unfortuanate that they have done and handled things the way that they have.
They have surrounded themselves with people over they years that have given them bad advise career. personal and fan wise.
I truly do not feel that they care or appreciate the fans. The first thing they did after they fired JSS was take down the message board so clearly they don;t care what we think or have to say. The only thing remaining is the store which they are using to continue to make money.
They handled the departure of JSS and SA very poorly. and lied, decieved and bs'd the fan base.
I have a hard time blindly following and supporting people like that.
They have ruined things for alot of people.
I still support SA also and wish him the best and that he succeeds in whatever he does. I truly hope that he realizes there are people outside his "inner circle" that do support him as well and that he apreciates that.
It is all too bad. Things could have been handled differently without being motivated by greed and listening to people with their own agenda.
I have no real interest in seeing them again and am not into going to shows anymore.

[jrnyman28]

They must care what we have to say or they wouldn't watch us here!

The fact is, Back Talk evolved into a terrible forum. It was a tumor that needed to be removed.

Other than that, I completely agree that the band does not care about it's devoted hard-core fanbase. They are making decisions based solely on the casual fan and dollar signs.

[Behshad]

They must care what we have to say or they wouldn't watch us here!

The fact is, Back Talk evolved into a terrible forum. It was a tumor that needed to be removed.

Other than that, I completely agree that the band does not care about it's devoted hard-core fanbase. They are making decisions based solely on the casual fan and dollar signs.

Bingo!
And I for one, wont let them have my dollars

[lparn]

I will agree about that. BT was indeed developing into something else.
It certainly ran the gamut of postings and topics, from intelligent to stupid and drippy at times to
people being mean and nasty to each other. I agree it had to go. It was hard to tell what and who was real on there and easy to be decieved and find out things/are not what they seem the hard way,.
I don;t see how anything that the band had or has done in the past few years has been motivated by appreciating and caring what the hardcore fans think., The band had surrounded themselves with people with their own agenda that have given them bad advise as far as careers, personal and fans. While I truly feel SA kind and caring nature IS genuine, I think it is hard for him to see and appreciate that there are people that are not "close to him" that do support him and for him to appreciate that/them. It is too bad.
I seems to be about money and making a dollar now with the band.
The lies and deceit and the way they handled things esp their singers proves that.
Funny how they keep that store opened to make money off the merchandise. Don;lt think I will be buying anything anytime soon.