Not impressed

[texafana]

...but I can't help thinking that I need to stick to the Perry era once and for all.

Enjoy your virtual concerts on your computer, dvd, cd's, etc. I'll be having some fun with a few 1000 peeps enjoying some of the best musicians alive playing music, live in person.

[Voyager]

...
Some think that Perry fans are stuck in the past and won't move forward. The same could be said about Elvis fans when they are disappointed with an Elvis impersonator show. "It's just not as good as Elvis." No shit. It never will be. You cannot recreate the past, only mimic it.

Or...you could just LET IT REST IN PEACE and do something "creative" and "different".

This is all just so sad and pathetic really...

I don't get you loons. if it's what got them notoriety in the 1st place, are they just supposed to walk away from it? Pathetic is not paying respect to past success. True I want new music but that's expected to be here soon enough. I saw a venue full of screaming Chileans who got what they wanted to see and then...for quite a long time, asked for more of it.

The only thing I disgreed with in your reply was calling people loons. It's much easier to get your point across without resorting to that.

That said, if you want to call George W. Bush names - feel free.

[ttango1]

That said, if you want to call George W. Bush names - feel free.

Can't believe I voted for that guy

[Voyager]

WHAT IS THE LEGACY?

In the case of Journey, the "legacy" sound is the music from the Steve Perry era. That is what they have been attempting to recreate ever since Perry left the band. Arnel is helping them achieve that sound much more accurately than previous singers.

I am all for Journey moving forward instead of allowing Perry's retirement to force the rest of the band into retirement. As your signature says, Perry is welcome back anytime he wants to come back and sing. Since he chooses not to, I don't blame Journey at all for attempting to recreate the legacy sound. While what I heard from the Chile concert was not as good as when I saw the band with Perry in the 80's, it was easily the next best thing (which of course some of Arnel's loyal fans would argue by saying it was even better).

The only two choices we have right now are the next best thing or a retired Journey. I prefer the former. This forum wouldn't be very active if Journey was retired.

[Voyager]

That said, if you want to call George W. Bush names - feel free.

Can't believe I voted for that guy

I forgive you - only because you have the best avatar on the forum.

[ohsherrie]

Here is another thing that irks me. WHAT IS THE LEGACY? Is it something you can touch? Is it a memory locked away in your individualism? What is it? Tell me...inform me, help me see what you see. I might not agree(STILL) but I'm open to investigation. I don't need to subject myself to GROUPTHINK. I'm an individual fan whose seen Perry live and am looking forward to the doing same thing with Pineda. SO what is the legacy, the songs? The rep? what exactly?

The legacy seems to mean something different to different people. To me it's the catalog and the history of the creation of that catalog.


It's Neal and Steve sitting in a hotel room together when they first met writing Patiently.

It's that amazing soprano sound during the guitar solos in WITS that a lot of people assumed was electronically produced.

It's the feeling you get when you hear the guitar sound opening Lights on the radio and know the voice you're going to hear say "When the lights go down".

It's knowing you're in for a good few minutes when you hear the bluesy sound of the original LTS coming through the speakers or earphones.

It's that moment in the Houston '81 concert when Steve announced that Escape was #1 in the nation.

It's the sound of "Hear we stand" and "Highway run" beginning Separate Ways and Faithfully that can't be replicated by any other voice.

It's remembering the videos(as bad as they were) and the interviews(as hokey as they were) back in the day and feeling a fanship(sort of like a kinship) to those guys.

It's hearing Girl Can't Help It on the radio and knowing they're back and still the best.

It's hearing WCTNGOF and thinking your heart is going to explode from the emotion that voice singing those words evokes in you.

It's hearing When You Love A Woman or Message of Love on the radio and being so grateful that they came together one more time to give you more of their magic.



It has nothing to do with anybody else singing those songs.

[Voyager]

Here is another thing that irks me. WHAT IS THE LEGACY? Is it something you can touch? Is it a memory locked away in your individualism? What is it? Tell me...inform me, help me see what you see. I might not agree(STILL) but I'm open to investigation. I don't need to subject myself to GROUPTHINK. I'm an individual fan whose seen Perry live and am looking forward to the doing same thing with Pineda. SO what is the legacy, the songs? The rep? what exactly?

The legacy seems to mean something different to different people. To me it's the catalog and the history of the creation of that catalog.


It's Neal and Steve sitting in a hotel room together when they first met writing Patiently.

It's that amazing soprano sound during the guitar solos in WITS that a lot of people assumed was electronically produced.

It's the feeling you get when you hear the guitar sound opening Lights on the radio and know the voice you're going to hear say "When the lights go down".

It's knowing you're in for a good few minutes when you hear the bluesy sound of the original LTS coming through the speakers or earphones.

It's that moment in the Houston '81 concert when Steve announced that Escape was #1 in the nation.

It's the sound of "Hear we stand" and "Highway run" beginning Separate Ways and Faithfully that can't be replicated by any other voice.

It's remembering the videos(as bad as they were) and the interviews(as hokey as they were) back in the day and feeling a fanship(sort of like a kinship) to those guys.

It's hearing Girl Can't Help It on the radio and knowing they're back and still the best.

It's hearing WCTNGOF and thinking your heart is going to explode from the emotion that voice singing those words evokes in you.

It's hearing When You Love A Woman or Message of Love on the radio and being so grateful that they came together one more time to give you more of their magic.



It has nothing to do with anybody else singing those songs.

Good post.

[ProgRocker53]

Just seen the Chile clips....and am surprised to hear a slightly annoying quality to Arnel's voice. A bit strained and whiney. I really want to get enthusiastic about this line-up but I can't help thinking that I need to stick to the Perry era once and for all.

I have to agree. Although I think Arnel does better than Augeri in trying to emulate Steve Perry, it still reeks of impersonation. Perry is the standard that people try to reach, but I don't think it's possible. However, I know many here will disagree and parade Arnel around as the second coming of Steve Perry.

Some think that Perry fans are stuck in the past and won't move forward. The same could be said about Elvis fans when they are disappointed with an Elvis impersonator show. "It's just not as good as Elvis." No shit. It never will be. You cannot recreate the past, only mimic it.

The Journey/Elvis parallel is getting repetitive and old. Elvis is a performer and singer, Journey is a band. Elvis made a name for Elvis, Journey made a name for Journey. Elvis could sell out shows anywhere on name alone, no matter who's backing him. Journey is a sum of its parts, a whole entity.

[Eric]

Great post Sherrie. That "Legacy" thing is BS. I'm supporting them and Arnel.....but they had JSS and neither are their legacy sound.

[Greg]

It's funny with all the talk of legacy sound and yet Gregg Rolie gets no mention as part of that sound at all. Seems a bit unfair to me.

[Deb]

It's the sound of "Hear we stand" and "Highway run" beginning Separate Ways and Faithfully that can't be replicated by any other voice.

Forgot one......

Jesseeeeeeeee Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiides..........

[ohsherrie]

It's the sound of "Hear we stand" and "Highway run" beginning Separate Ways and Faithfully that can't be replicated by any other voice.

Forgot one......

Jesseeeeeeeee Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiides..........

I consider myself repremanded and rightfully so.

[Arkansas]

It's funny with all the talk of legacy sound and yet Gregg Rolie gets no mention as part of that sound at all. Seems a bit unfair to me.

Exactly. Rolie should get his proper due also. He's just as much a piece of the legacy as any one.
And I've got a question for all the loons, since when does 'preserving the legacy' mean denying Schon, Valory, & Cain the right to play their music?


later~

[ohsherrie]

It's funny with all the talk of legacy sound and yet Gregg Rolie gets no mention as part of that sound at all. Seems a bit unfair to me.

I'm sure he figures heavily in it to a lot of people Greg and deserves to. I was just never much of a fan of his singing so I didn't include him in my list.

[ttango1]

OS...That was an awesome post.

While I don't interpret things like you do, I'm for a difference of opinion. I'll continue to support this incarnation but I always will have a place in my heart for the past. Moving on...TO ME...gives us the best of both worlds.

[Moon Beam]

Enjoy your virtual concerts on your computer, dvd, cd's, etc. I'll be having some fun with a few 1000 peeps enjoying some of the best musicians alive playing music, live in person.

Didn't extenuate just a wee little bit huh?

[Matthew]

...but I can't help thinking that I need to stick to the Perry era once and for all.

Enjoy your virtual concerts on your computer, dvd, cd's, etc. I'll be having some fun with a few 1000 peeps enjoying some of the best musicians alive playing music, live in person.

Sure Texafana - but we'll both be listening to exactly the same songs won't we?

[Matthew]

The Journey/Elvis parallel is getting repetitive and old. Elvis is a performer and singer, Journey is a band. Elvis made a name for Elvis, Journey made a name for Journey. Elvis could sell out shows anywhere on name alone, no matter who's backing him. Journey is a sum of its parts, a whole entity.

The Rolling Stones parallel is better, I think.

[Perrydise]

That said, if you want to call George W. Bush names - feel free.

Can't believe I voted for that guy

Why doesn't that seem to surprise me

[Matthew]

It's funny with all the talk of legacy sound and yet Gregg Rolie gets no mention as part of that sound at all. Seems a bit unfair to me.

Oh, I don't know. Rolie gets a lot of credit on this forum. Too much so, in my opinion. If anyone gets neglected or dismissed it's Cain.

[ttango1]

That said, if you want to call George W. Bush names - feel free.

Can't believe I voted for that guy

Why doesn't that seem to surprise me

Registered Republican my entire adult life. His dad did a good job...W, hit and miss.

[donnaplease]

The legacy seems to mean something different to different people. To me it's the catalog and the history of the creation of that catalog.


It's Neal and Steve sitting in a hotel room together when they first met writing Patiently.

It's that amazing soprano sound during the guitar solos in WITS that a lot of people assumed was electronically produced.

It's the feeling you get when you hear the guitar sound opening Lights on the radio and know the voice you're going to hear say "When the lights go down".

It's knowing you're in for a good few minutes when you hear the bluesy sound of the original LTS coming through the speakers or earphones.

It's that moment in the Houston '81 concert when Steve announced that Escape was #1 in the nation.

It's the sound of "Hear we stand" and "Highway run" beginning Separate Ways and Faithfully that can't be replicated by any other voice.

It's remembering the videos(as bad as they were) and the interviews(as hokey as they were) back in the day and feeling a fanship(sort of like a kinship) to those guys.

It's hearing Girl Can't Help It on the radio and knowing they're back and still the best.

It's hearing WCTNGOF and thinking your heart is going to explode from the emotion that voice singing those words evokes in you.

It's hearing When You Love A Woman or Message of Love on the radio and being so grateful that they came together one more time to give you more of their magic.



It has nothing to do with anybody else singing those songs.

Excellent post, Sherrie.

[Lula]

It's funny with all the talk of legacy sound and yet Gregg Rolie gets no mention as part of that sound at all. Seems a bit unfair to me.

Oh, I don't know. Rolie gets a lot of credit on this forum. Too much so, in my opinion. If anyone gets neglected or dismissed it's Cain.

bite your tongue!! rolie does not get nearly enough credit. let us not forget the awesome duets and the amazing hammond. too much credit, please!

[Rockindeano]

It's funny with all the talk of legacy sound and yet Gregg Rolie gets no mention as part of that sound at all. Seems a bit unfair to me.

Oh, I don't know. Rolie gets a lot of credit on this forum. Too much so, in my opinion. If anyone gets neglected or dismissed it's Cain.

You're Gayer than Gay.

[marco17]

I know I am a bit late to the party here since it looks like the orginal topic of this thread isn't really being talked about anymore, but I just watched a bunch of the videos from the Chile gig on YouTube for the first time. Have to say, I was pleasantly surprised at some points, but thought overall it was pretty average on all accounts. The one thing I did notice beyond Arnel was that Cain didn't look like a happy camper. He had that same look he had during the short JSS tenure, like he's thinking, "I'm not sure about this." But, he certainly didn't look too excited to be out there pumping out the Journey tunes. The other thing I noticed was that when you watched Journey post-Perry with Augeri and JSS the whole package looked good and went together, and they fit the image. There was just something missing for me visually there like the puzzle had been put together, but still didn't look quite right.... And, I don't mean that the only way it would look right is if Perry were there.

[Rockindeano]

Excellent post, Sherrie.

I give you, "Pete n Repeat."

Nothin to offer, never. Just fuckin stupid and dense.

[Matthew]

It's funny with all the talk of legacy sound and yet Gregg Rolie gets no mention as part of that sound at all. Seems a bit unfair to me.

Oh, I don't know. Rolie gets a lot of credit on this forum. Too much so, in my opinion. If anyone gets neglected or dismissed it's Cain.

You're Gayer than Gay.

And for decades you've made Journey your primary purpose...your obsession...the cause you 'go to war for' every five minutes...and yet you think it's GAY to admire the guy who wrote most of the band's songs.

Unbelievable muppetry...

[Matthew]

IThe one thing I did notice beyond Arnel was that Cain didn't look like a happy camper. He had that same look he had during the short JSS tenure, like he's thinking, "I'm not sure about this." But, he certainly didn't look too excited to be out there pumping out the Journey tunes.

I noticed that too. And it's funny - when I saw them with JSS Cain looked really energized and into it.

Anyway, it's always been obvious that of all the members of Journey Cain feels the absence of Perry the most strongly. And I reckon he knows just how badly he and Journey have sold out ...whereas Schon is lost in some adolescent dream world half the time and the others are just grateful for a well-paid gig.

I bet that there's not a day that goes by when Cain doesn't feel pissed off and offended that Perry hasn't rung him up to resume one of the greatest song-writing partnerships the world has ever seen. But he won't accept reality or let go of the past. The greed and pride kicked in instead. And that's why he looks so uncomfortable most of the time. Well, that's my take on it anyway...

Plus he's 57 years old and has been playing those same songs for a quarter of a century. You'd have to be a total moron not to be bored stiff with it all.

[Wally_Hatchet]

I have applauded Arnel's youtube performances and have given him every benefit of the doubt, but after listening to the Chile performance I have come to the conclusion that Journey has made a huge mistake in hiring him.

He consistently sang out of key, he was really straining in his (unsuccessful) attempts to hit the right notes, and the oriental accent is very noticeable.

Arnel is nowhere near the talent level of JSS or Steve Augeri, and Journey sounds nothing like Journey anymore.

Just being honest...

[johnroxx]

I have come to the conclusion that Journey has made a huge mistake in hiring him.

He consistently sang out of key, he was really straining in his (unsuccessful) attempts to hit the right notes, and the oriental accent is very noticeable.

Arnel is nowhere near the talent level of JSS or Steve Augeri, and Journey sounds nothing like Journey anymore.

"Oriental accent" ???? That's fucking ridiculous.

Arnel sang flat a few times during the songs I watched clips of. So crucify the guy. Jesus...

Besides, the fact that he pulled his in-ear monitor just MIGHT indicate he was having a problem with it...not that that would matter to all the musically-challenged dorks who are pronouncing him a failure after his first show.

Other than the occasional pitch issue, your post is a massive, steaming, stench-riddled pile of championship-level bullshit.

But of course, everyone's entitled to their opinion...

;^)