Barak: President of 59 States!

[strangegrey]

First, to remove the cost of gas at the pump from inflationary indexes is fucking ludicrous. That's like discounting the size of someones ass, when asking him/her to step on the scale!

In Oz it is included...and inflation is thru the roof - therefore our interest rates are thru the fucking roof. And the Oz dollar is invested in because of the difference between interest rates here and in the USA. Meaning I get a triple whammy right where it hurts.

Andrew, what was the cost of gas at the pump 8 years ago, compared to now, in australia?

[Andrew]

First, to remove the cost of gas at the pump from inflationary indexes is fucking ludicrous. That's like discounting the size of someones ass, when asking him/her to step on the scale!

In Oz it is included...and inflation is thru the roof - therefore our interest rates are thru the fucking roof. And the Oz dollar is invested in because of the difference between interest rates here and in the USA. Meaning I get a triple whammy right where it hurts.

Andrew, what was the cost of gas at the pump 8 years ago, compared to now, in australia?

HALF the current price. Maybe even a little less.
It was 75-85c/l ($US3.20 gallon) / now it is as much as $1.56/litre ($US6+ gallon) and rising still.

[Andrew]

And the Oz dollar vs US dollar was 60-75c....not it's 95c, meaning I work for 35% less money now than pre-Bush.

[RedWingFan]

First, to remove the cost of gas at the pump from inflationary indexes is fucking ludicrous. That's like discounting the size of someones ass, when asking him/her to step on the scale!

In Oz it is included...and inflation is thru the roof - therefore our interest rates are thru the fucking roof. And the Oz dollar is invested in because of the difference between interest rates here and in the USA. Meaning I get a triple whammy right where it hurts.

Andrew, what was the cost of gas at the pump 8 years ago, compared to now, in australia?

HALF the current price. Maybe even a little less.
It was 75-85c/l ($US3.20 gallon) / now it is as much as $1.56/litre ($US6+ gallon) and rising still.

High gas prices are supply and demand. The US has enough oil to run 60 million cars for 60 years without importing a drop. Only problem is we're not allowed to drill there because of environmentalists and libs. Didn't Clinton veto a bill to drill in ANWAR in '94 complaining that we wouldn't see any impact for 10 years (which would have been felt 4 years ago)
Yeah brilliant prez he was.
http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=P ... geId=62393

[Andrew]

An American oil expert was on local TV last night....his views put much of the price hike down to Bush' invasion of Iraq. That lead to a bunch of probelms and he doesn't see the trend reversing any time soon.
That is certainly the view held by most Australians...rightly or wrongly. Makes sense to me. After all, the price started up the week of the invasion and just kept going.

[RedWingFan]

An American oil expert was on local TV last night....his views put much of the price hike down to Bush' invasion of Iraq.

That American oil expert didn't happen to be Al Gore, was it?

[Rick]

First, to remove the cost of gas at the pump from inflationary indexes is fucking ludicrous. That's like discounting the size of someones ass, when asking him/her to step on the scale!

In Oz it is included...and inflation is thru the roof - therefore our interest rates are thru the fucking roof. And the Oz dollar is invested in because of the difference between interest rates here and in the USA. Meaning I get a triple whammy right where it hurts.

Andrew, what was the cost of gas at the pump 8 years ago, compared to now, in australia?

HALF the current price. Maybe even a little less.
It was 75-85c/l ($US3.20 gallon) / now it is as much as $1.56/litre ($US6+ gallon) and rising still.

High gas prices are supply and demand. The US has enough oil to run 60 million cars for 60 years without importing a drop. Only problem is we're not allowed to drill there because of environmentalists and libs. Didn't Clinton veto a bill to drill in ANWAR in '94 complaining that we wouldn't see any impact for 10 years (which would have been felt 4 years ago)
Yeah brilliant prez he was.
http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=P ... geId=62393

Clinton looks like Einstein compared to W. The Clinton presidency championed W's in every facet. Yeah, yeah, including THAT!

[conversationpc]

An American oil expert was on local TV last night....his views put much of the price hike down to Bush' invasion of Iraq. That lead to a bunch of probelms and he doesn't see the trend reversing any time soon.
That is certainly the view held by most Australians...rightly or wrongly. Makes sense to me. After all, the price started up the week of the invasion and just kept going.

I think exponentially rising demand from countries like China and India are just as much, if not more, to blame.

[RedWingFan]

First, to remove the cost of gas at the pump from inflationary indexes is fucking ludicrous. That's like discounting the size of someones ass, when asking him/her to step on the scale!

In Oz it is included...and inflation is thru the roof - therefore our interest rates are thru the fucking roof. And the Oz dollar is invested in because of the difference between interest rates here and in the USA. Meaning I get a triple whammy right where it hurts.

Andrew, what was the cost of gas at the pump 8 years ago, compared to now, in australia?

HALF the current price. Maybe even a little less.
It was 75-85c/l ($US3.20 gallon) / now it is as much as $1.56/litre ($US6+ gallon) and rising still.

High gas prices are supply and demand. The US has enough oil to run 60 million cars for 60 years without importing a drop. Only problem is we're not allowed to drill there because of environmentalists and libs. Didn't Clinton veto a bill to drill in ANWAR in '94 complaining that we wouldn't see any impact for 10 years (which would have been felt 4 years ago)
Yeah brilliant prez he was.
http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=P ... geId=62393

Clinton looks like Einstein compared to W. The Clinton presidency championed W's in every facet. Yeah, yeah, including THAT!

Cutting and running from Mogadishu prompting OBL to call the US "a paper tiger" was better than Iraq? Not one damn bit.
I couldn't see straight after forcing myself to watch "Blackhawk Down"

[AlteredDNA]

First, to remove the cost of gas at the pump from inflationary indexes is fucking ludicrous. That's like discounting the size of someones ass, when asking him/her to step on the scale!

In Oz it is included...and inflation is thru the roof - therefore our interest rates are thru the fucking roof. And the Oz dollar is invested in because of the difference between interest rates here and in the USA. Meaning I get a triple whammy right where it hurts.

Andrew, what was the cost of gas at the pump 8 years ago, compared to now, in australia?

HALF the current price. Maybe even a little less.
It was 75-85c/l ($US3.20 gallon) / now it is as much as $1.56/litre ($US6+ gallon) and rising still.

High gas prices are supply and demand. The US has enough oil to run 60 million cars for 60 years without importing a drop. Only problem is we're not allowed to drill there because of environmentalists and libs. Didn't Clinton veto a bill to drill in ANWAR in '94 complaining that we wouldn't see any impact for 10 years (which would have been felt 4 years ago)
Yeah brilliant prez he was.
http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=P ... geId=62393

Clinton looks like Einstein compared to W. The Clinton presidency championed W's in every facet. Yeah, yeah, including THAT!

If you look up "Right Place at the Right Time" in the dictionary, you'll see Clinton's lip-biting face next to it...

[Rick]

First, to remove the cost of gas at the pump from inflationary indexes is fucking ludicrous. That's like discounting the size of someones ass, when asking him/her to step on the scale!

In Oz it is included...and inflation is thru the roof - therefore our interest rates are thru the fucking roof. And the Oz dollar is invested in because of the difference between interest rates here and in the USA. Meaning I get a triple whammy right where it hurts.

Andrew, what was the cost of gas at the pump 8 years ago, compared to now, in australia?

HALF the current price. Maybe even a little less.
It was 75-85c/l ($US3.20 gallon) / now it is as much as $1.56/litre ($US6+ gallon) and rising still.

High gas prices are supply and demand. The US has enough oil to run 60 million cars for 60 years without importing a drop. Only problem is we're not allowed to drill there because of environmentalists and libs. Didn't Clinton veto a bill to drill in ANWAR in '94 complaining that we wouldn't see any impact for 10 years (which would have been felt 4 years ago)
Yeah brilliant prez he was.
http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=P ... geId=62393

Clinton looks like Einstein compared to W. The Clinton presidency championed W's in every facet. Yeah, yeah, including THAT!

Cutting and running from Mogadishu prompting OBL to call the US "a paper tiger" was better than Iraq? Not one damn bit.

I'd rather that than have as many lives lost as we've had since W took over. I think that should be the barometer over anything else except freedom. W has cost us exponentially more on both accounts. I couldn't care less what OBL thinks or says.

[RedWingFan]

I couldn't care less what OBL thinks or says.

Even if it emboldened him to lead the 9/11 attacks w/o fear of retaliation?

[Rick]

I couldn't care less what OBL thinks or says.

Even if it emboldened him to lead the 9/11 attacks w/o fear of retaliation?

And W's policies there are any better? Bin Laden is a lunatic, and if it wasn't Clintons actions regarding Mogadishu that emboldened him, it would have been something else.

I just wanted to stick up for Clinton since RockinDeano wasn't here to do it.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Funny how it's always "hate radio" when one doesn't agree with the content of said radio show. Then again, if you want to use Keith "rip and read" Olbermann and Media "does it really" Matters, I guess I should just chalk it up to a difference of opinion, eh?

Keith, when in the wrong, offers corrections.
Media Matters, as a media watchdog, offers full audio and visual context, sometimes well over 10 minutes worth - (no different than Brent Bozell's right-leaning Newsbusters site.)

AM hate radio is accountable to no one.
As Bill Moyers aptly put it, "it is a freakshow of political pornography."

You and Barb have pissed and moaned about Olberman, but when called to the carpet, come up surprisingly short with alleged fuck-ups.

[conversationpc]

You and Barb have pissed and moaned about Olberman, but when called to the carpet, come up surprisingly short with alleged fuck-ups.

The whole "Obama is the antichrist" thing is one recent example. An obvious joke on Beck's part, in which he even joked on-air that Media Matters and ol' Rip 'n' Read would take him seriously. What happened? Both of them took it hook, line, and sinker. We've discussed this before so don't give me that whole "called to the carpet, come up surprisingly short" BS.

Anyway, try Olbermann Watch for more fun with ol' Rip 'n' Read. Let me save your breath by saying what you're probably going to say...

That's nothing more than a right wing smearfest and they're accountable to no one.

[Eric]

I agree with Dave...inflation rates are as bad as Carter era, if not worse.

The thing is, interest rates were 19% on average for a 30 during the late 70's. I just got a 5.25%.

[conversationpc]

I agree with Dave...inflation rates are as bad as Carter era, if not worse.

The thing is, interest rates were 19% on average for a 30 during the late 70's. I just got a 5.25%.

I think you're talking about mortgage interest rates. We're talking about inflation.

[strangegrey]

An American oil expert was on local TV last night....his views put much of the price hike down to Bush' invasion of Iraq. That lead to a bunch of probelms and he doesn't see the trend reversing any time soon.
That is certainly the view held by most Australians...rightly or wrongly. Makes sense to me. After all, the price started up the week of the invasion and just kept going.

I disagree in small part. We never saw an ounce of Iraqi oil prior to this war. However, the drop in supply from Iraqi production has increased the demand in former customers of iraq. I will also say increasing chinese and indian demand have affecting things.

*however* do NOT forget the fact that it has been suggested that the hedging market for oil futures (something that was *regulated( prior to the current shithead sleeping in the white house) is responsible for approximately 20-25% of the current price of gas at the pump. Once you factor in the cost increases over the past 6-7 and say, a baseline back in 1999....that amounts to closer to 50% of the price of oil.

I do not believe for one second that Clinton's anwar veto has anything to do with the current price of oil, at all. This is just a republican talking point designed to fix blame on the price of gas to something that happened under someone elses watch. Why is it that republican's are always trying to take credit for successes during a democrat's time in office, yet blame failures on a previous democrat's time in office? Cant have it both ways...

[conversationpc]

I do not believe for one second that Clinton's anwar veto has anything to do with the current price of oil, at all. This is just a republican talking point designed to fix blame on the price of gas to something that happened under someone elses watch. Why is it that republican's are always trying to take credit for successes during a democrat's time in office, yet blame failures on a previous democrat's time in office? Cant have it both ways...

I don't think I've heard anyone saying that not drilling in Anwar have had any effect on oil prices but that it certainly effects our ability to be energy-independent. I agree with that, though I also think we should be looking more fervently for alternative energy sources.

[Pelata]

Watched the video...he was being a smart ass...the people laughing got the joke.

[strangegrey]

Actually, to correct my previous post...I hadn't realized I was responding to Andrew. Did Oz buy oil from Iraq prior to the gulf war?

[strangegrey]

I do not believe for one second that Clinton's anwar veto has anything to do with the current price of oil, at all. This is just a republican talking point designed to fix blame on the price of gas to something that happened under someone elses watch. Why is it that republican's are always trying to take credit for successes during a democrat's time in office, yet blame failures on a previous democrat's time in office? Cant have it both ways...

I don't think I've heard anyone saying that not drilling in Anwar have had any effect on oil prices but that it certainly effects our ability to be energy-independent. I agree with that, though I also think we should be looking more fervently for alternative energy sources.

Absolutely. I agree. The true definition of global power is not being dependant on anyone beyond your borders. Over the past 10 years, we've had to resort to international capital and an increased dependance on foreign oil supplies....it doesn't matter if we get our oil from Canada or the Saudis, we whould be able to supply our own energy.

[Red13JoePa]

I hate "OT" but must admit there is some fantastic (and surprisingly respectful) discourse here in this thread.

[AlteredDNA]

I hate "OT" but must admit there is some fantastic (and surprisingly respectful) discourse here in this thread.

Yes, entropy seems to be working much slower than normal on this thread...

[Tito]

I think exponentially rising demand from countries like China and India are just as much, if not more, to blame.

This certainly has something to do with it, but the main reason the price of oil is so high is due to the declining dollar.

[The_Noble_Cause]

The whole "Obama is the antichrist" thing is one recent example. An obvious joke on Beck's part, in which he even joked on-air that Media Matters and ol' Rip 'n' Read would take him seriously. What happened? Both of them took it hook, line, and sinker. We've discussed this before so don't give me that whole "called to the carpet, come up surprisingly short" BS.

MediaMatters provided FULL text and FULL audio and video of "the antichrist" comment.
So Beck's handwringing over being yanked out-of-context has absolutely no basis in reality; same as Limbaugh's subterfuge concerning his "phony soldiers" gaffe.

http://mediamatters.org/items/200803050008

Like much of what Beck spews, the antichrist comment received attention for being juvenile and ignorant, as it should have.
He can be as "aww shucks" glib as he wants to, the fact remains that the Obama-as-antichrist meme has been gathering traction on the right for sometime.
If you think this was merely an innocent attempt at being funny, and not satiating the paranoia of many of his tweaked out conservative listeners, you are sadly mistaken.

Anyway, try Olbermann Watch for more fun with ol' Rip 'n' Read. Let me save your breath by saying what you're probably going to say...

That's nothing more than a right wing smearfest and they're accountable to no one.

Been there. Unlike MediaMatters - most of the clips are only a few seconds in length. In fact, right now, the website's idea of a breaking story is posting the personal details of fans who happen to have been on Olbermann's facebook page. Classy.

Also, websites don't have to be accountable to anyone, because the public currently has equal access.
Radio stations, on the other hand, no longer even undergo evaluation to gets their licenses renewed, they simply send a card thru the mail.

[strangegrey]

MediaMatters provided FULL text and FULL audio and video of "the antichrist" comment.

Oh, now there's a reliable source to base an opinion on...

[Barb]

Glenn is totally laughing through the whole "anti- christ" question. It was a fucking joke to him! How come you don't find the transcript and audio from his radio show where he was having this discussion and even specifically said Media Matter is now going to take this as something totally serious.

MM is so predictable and juvenile.


http://www.glennbeck.com/content/articl ... /198/7060/

[The_Noble_Cause]

But, why would you fight for this country, yet promote erasing this country's borders. Screw him.

You mean kinda like Reagan's amnesty-granting Immigration Reform and Control Act of 86?

Sorry to wake you from your draconian fantasies, wingnuts, but there has never been a Republican nominee whose conservative credentials were pure as snow.
Reagan, your standard bearer, even legalized abortion back when he was Governor.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Oh, now there's a reliable source to base an opinion on...

Why not?
That's the beauty of MediaMatters, every Conservative is hoisted on his own verbal petard.

They needn't doctor a word.