Barak: President of 59 States!

[Tito]

You mean kinda like Reagan's amnesty-granting Immigration Reform and Control Act of 86?

Sorry to wake you from your draconian fantasies, wingnuts, but there has never been a Republican nominee whose conservative credentials were pure as snow.
Reagan, your standard bearer, even legalized abortion back when he was Governor.

That Immigration Act of '86 was a mistake and he admitted it afterward. Furthermore, Reagan was a little overrated in my book.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Glenn is totally laughing through the whole "anti- christ" question. It was a fucking joke to him!

So?
Everything Glenn says is done in the same one-note schoolroom dunce delivery.

From nuking Iran to kneecapping Nancy Kerrigan - it's all one big fucking joke.
Funny, Hannity whips out the same convenient fallback position when his words land him in trouble.
Namely, "I'm only an entertainer!"

Beck was also "joking" when he laughed about liberals losing their homes in the California wildfires.
Beck was also only "joking" when he asked a magazine reporter to get naked with him.
Beck was also only "joking" when he explained in explicit detail how he would murder Michael Moore.

The pretext of comedy (delivered succesfully or not) does not pardon stupidity.

How come you don't find the transcript and audio from his radio show where he was having this discussion and even specifically said Media Matter is now going to take this as something totally serious.

MM is so predictable and juvenile.

How does Media Matters "take something totally serious", when they provide the full audio, video, and text - something Beck fails to tell his listeners - and allow each websurfer to make up their own mind?

[Barb]

Glenn is totally laughing through the whole "anti- christ" question. It was a fucking joke to him!

So?
Everything Glenn says is done in the same one-note schoolroom dunce delivery.

From nuking Iran to kneecapping Nancy Kerrigan - it's all one big fucking joke.
Funny, Hannity whips out the same convenient fallback position when his words land him in trouble.
Namely, "I'm only an entertainer!"

Beck was also "joking" when he laughed about liberals losing their homes in the California wildfires.
Beck was also only "joking" when he asked a magazine reporter to get naked with him.
Beck was also only "joking" when he explained in explicit detail how he would murder Michael Moore.

The pretext of comedy (delivered succesfully or not) does not pardon stupidity.

How come you don't find the transcript and audio from his radio show where he was having this discussion and even specifically said Media Matter is now going to take this as something totally serious.

MM is so predictable and juvenile.

How does Media Matters "take something totally serious", when they provide the full audio, video, and text - something Beck fails to tell his listeners - and allow each websurfer to make up their own mind?

I think you should just change your name to "lost cause".

Sorry you don't get it. That's what Media Matters counts on.

[The_Noble_Cause]

more socialism as in Dukakis, Kerry and any other modern day liberal politician, you think its dangerous now... holy crap...it will be
a disaster X10 with OBAMA.

Yea, too bad even liberals from days of yore, including FDR, were besmirched as commies and socialists. So too was Republican Teddy Roosevelt when he dared fight for a living wage. This is nothing new.

[The_Noble_Cause]

I think you should just change your name to "lost cause".

Sorry you don't get it. That's what Media Matters counts on.

Not sure why you so revile democracy in action.
The clips and context is there - let the people decide.

Brent Bozell's right-leaning media watchdog, Newsbusters, has been at this game for far, far longer than MediaMatters.
Why weren't you whining about them?

[lights1961]

Glenn is totally laughing through the whole "anti- christ" question. It was a fucking joke to him!

So?
Everything Glenn says is done in the same one-note schoolroom dunce delivery.

From nuking Iran to kneecapping Nancy Kerrigan - it's all one big fucking joke.
Funny, Hannity whips out the same convenient fallback position when his words land him in trouble.
Namely, "I'm only an entertainer!"

Beck was also "joking" when he laughed about liberals losing their homes in the California wildfires.
Beck was also only "joking" when he asked a magazine reporter to get naked with him.
Beck was also only "joking" when he explained in explicit detail how he would murder Michael Moore.

The pretext of comedy (delivered succesfully or not) does not pardon stupidity.

How come you don't find the transcript and audio from his radio show where he was having this discussion and even specifically said Media Matter is now going to take this as something totally serious.

MM is so predictable and juvenile.

How does Media Matters "take something totally serious", when they provide the full audio, video, and text - something Beck fails to tell his listeners - and allow each websurfer to make up their own mind?

media matters is a liberal group only...that is why TNC loves em soo... kind alike air america no one gives a rats ass about them... if they had to make it in the private world media matters would have folded years ago... but since liberal groups fund em... it keeps themselfs to think they are self important...


Rick

Rick

[The_Noble_Cause]

mccain has said he will keep the bush economy plan in place, i guess a recession is no big deal to a man married to a very wealthy woman.

Not to mention, someone who owns eight houses...but hey, let's attack that pretty boy ambulance chaser John Edwards and his ill wife instead!

[The_Noble_Cause]

media matters is a liberal group only...that is why TNC loves em soo...

Which MediaMatters openly declares in their mission statement and have never shied away from:

Media Matters for America is a Web-based, not-for-profit, 501(c)(3) progressive research and information center dedicated to comprehensively monitoring, analyzing, and correcting conservative misinformation in the U.S. media.

..kind alike air america no one gives a rats ass about them... if they had to make it in the private world media matters would have folded years ago... but since liberal groups fund em... it keeps themselfs to think they are self important...

Rick

And this is in any way different from the right-leaning media watchdog sites like Newsbusters how???

[Barb]

I think you should just change your name to "lost cause".

Sorry you don't get it. That's what Media Matters counts on.

Not sure why you so revile democracy in action.
Brent Bozell's right-leaning media watchdog, Newsbusters, has been at this game for far longer than MediaMatters.
Why weren't you whining about them?

I read Newsbusters, but I don't live by what they say. Sometimes they are right, and sometimes they are exaggerating to make things look worse than they really are. Media Matters seems to do this ALL THE TIME though. You keep saying they show this in full context. Well if you WATCH the full context, you see that Glenn is clearly joking. Then you dismiss that by saying that he says all of his hateful things in a joking manner. You do know that the theme of his show is "the fusion of entertainment and enlightenment" right? Glenn is very funny and he has a dark sense of humor. His remarks about the fires in So. Cal severely pissed me off. I know who he was talking about, but it still made me mad. As for wanting to get naked with a reporter, I don't even know when that happened or who he was talking to, but he had to be kidding (and knowing Glenn, I'm sure it was awkward and uncomfortable as hell).

[The_Noble_Cause]

I read Newsbusters, but I don't live by what they say. Sometimes they are right, and sometimes they are exaggerating to make things look worse than they really are. Media Matters seems to do this ALL THE TIME though. You keep saying they show this in full context. Well if you WATCH the full context, you see that Glenn is clearly joking. Then you dismiss that by saying that he says all of his hateful things in a joking manner. You do know that the theme of his show is "the fusion of entertainment and enlightenment" right? Glenn is very funny and he has a dark sense of humor. His remarks about the fires in So. Cal severely pissed me off. I know who he was talking about, but it still made me mad. As for wanting to get naked with a reporter, I don't even know when that happened or who he was talking to, but he had to be kidding (and knowing Glenn, I'm sure it was awkward and uncomfortable as hell).

Spare me the primer on Beck. The guy used to broadcast right out of here in Philadelphia.
Nearly everything Glenn says, except when he's crying about his mormonism, is done in a wink-wink sophomoric fashion - I get it.
MediaMatters and Keith Olbermann gets it, too.
That doesn't make any of the shit he says any less incendiary.

Here's another "joke" - to bad the guest didn't find the humor in it.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=zxq40OB0mkw

[strangegrey]

Oh, now there's a reliable source to base an opinion on...

Why not?
That's the beauty of MediaMatters, every Conservative is hoisted on his own verbal petard.

They needn't doctor a word.

Do you actually believe the feces that you eat, drink and sleep in? There isn't much that comes out of Media Matters that *isn't* doctored. If they were actually a legitimate news organization instead of Howard Dean's personal mouthpiece for liberal talking points, they'd actually have credibility. Yet, they suffer the same stigma that the ill-fated air america network suffered. The only reason MM still has a heartbeat is because public sentiment against bush is at an all time high. Most conservatives are not supportive of bush and a great deal are not happy about McCain's nod. I guarantee you, if the political climate were different, your so-called reliable source would be reliably scuttled. They're a product of atmosphere, nothing more, nothing less.

and before you try an ill-fated retort, try explaining away the General Betrayus ad... thats right, you can't.

[Barb]

I read Newsbusters, but I don't live by what they say. Sometimes they are right, and sometimes they are exaggerating to make things look worse than they really are. Media Matters seems to do this ALL THE TIME though. You keep saying they show this in full context. Well if you WATCH the full context, you see that Glenn is clearly joking. Then you dismiss that by saying that he says all of his hateful things in a joking manner. You do know that the theme of his show is "the fusion of entertainment and enlightenment" right? Glenn is very funny and he has a dark sense of humor. His remarks about the fires in So. Cal severely pissed me off. I know who he was talking about, but it still made me mad. As for wanting to get naked with a reporter, I don't even know when that happened or who he was talking to, but he had to be kidding (and knowing Glenn, I'm sure it was awkward and uncomfortable as hell).

Spare me the primer on Beck. The guy used to broadcast right out of here in Philadelphia.
Nearly everything Glenn says, except when he's crying about his mormonism, is done in a wink-wink sophomoric fashion - I get it.
MediaMatters and Keith Olbermann gets it, too.
That doesn't make any of the shit he says any less incendiary.

Here's another "joke" - to bad the guest didn't find the humor in it.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=zxq40OB0mkw

From what I can tell the topic is pictures can end up anywhere and he said that off the cuff to get a reaction, but she didn't get it. And I was right, awkward and uncomfortable Glenn.
You can hate on Glenn all you want, but the only reason you do is because he disagrees with your politics. I can disagree with people without hating them. I can read conservative media watchdogs and know not to take what they say as gospel. You don't seem to have the ability to be fair. At least I try. When it comes to Glenn, as someone who has listened to him 3 hours a day for 5 years, I think I know better than you do who he is and what he's about. He makes mistakes, but he is more than a decent human being.

[AlteredDNA]

mccain has said he will keep the bush economy plan in place, i guess a recession is no big deal to a man married to a very wealthy woman.

Not to mention, someone who owns eight houses...but hey, let's attack that pretty boy ambulance chaser John Edwards and his ill wife instead!

Not sure what Edwards has to do with this discussion, but since you brought him up, he is a hypocrite, through and through. As to his wife, the only "attacks" I ever saw were aimed at things she said. Does the fact that she has cancer, which by the way they chose to make very public, give her a free pass to say anything without being challanged?

[The_Noble_Cause]

Do you actually believe the feces that you eat, drink and sleep in? There isn't much that comes out of Media Matters that *isn't* doctored. If they were actually a legitimate news organization instead of Howard Dean's personal mouthpiece for liberal talking points....

Ok..I'm only 2-3 sentences into your post and you're already rasing Howard Dean up as some leftist bugaboo, when anyone who actually knows their stuff, knows the guy governed very much as a moderate.
Red flag # 1.

Yet, they suffer the same stigma that the ill-fated air america network suffered. The only reason MM still has a heartbeat is because public sentiment against bush is at an all time high. Most conservatives are not supportive of bush and a great deal are not happy about McCain's nod. I guarantee you, if the political climate were different, your so-called reliable source would be reliably scuttled. They're a product of atmosphere, nothing more, nothing less.

Yet right-leaning media watchdog sites have existed and been allowed to flourish for years.
It seems you don't adhere to your free market orthodoxy very seriously.
Why can't both watchdog sites, both left and right, be allowed to exist?

...and before you try an ill-fated retort, try explaining away the General Betrayus ad... thats right, you can't.

Yeah, too bad that was MoveOn.org, which isn't a media watchdog site, you dim overbited fuck.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Not sure what Edwards has to do with this discussion, but since you brought him up, he is a hypocrite, through and through.

Yea, because rich people can't help the poor, the same way healthy people can't treat the sick.

Does the fact that she has cancer, which by the way they chose to make very public, give her a free pass to say anything without being challenged?

Such as?

[conversationpc]

Spare me the primer on Beck. The guy used to broadcast right out of here in Philadelphia.
Nearly everything Glenn says, except when he's crying about his mormonism, is done in a wink-wink sophomoric fashion - I get it.
MediaMatters and Keith Olbermann gets it, too.
That doesn't make any of the shit he says any less incendiary.

You've propagated that kind of humor and much worse on this very forum on many more than one occasion, so spare me the details.

Here's another "joke" - to bad the guest didn't find the humor in it.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=zxq40OB0mkw

Yes, that's obviously Glenn's poor attempt at humor. He's done that on his radio show, too, and usually plays this schmaltzy, swing jazz kind of music in the background to make it sound romantic at the same time that he's trying to be funny. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. It obviously doesn't come across as well on TV. If this is your smoking gun, you might want to find something a little more powerful than a BB gun.

[lights1961]

media matters is a liberal group only...that is why TNC loves em soo...

Which MediaMatters openly declares in their mission statement and have never shied away from:

Media Matters for America is a Web-based, not-for-profit, 501(c)(3) progressive research and information center dedicated to comprehensively monitoring, analyzing, and correcting conservative misinformation in the U.S. media.

..kind alike air america no one gives a rats ass about them... if they had to make it in the private world media matters would have folded years ago... but since liberal groups fund em... it keeps themselfs to think they are self important...

Rick

And this is in any way different from the right-leaning media watchdog sites like Newsbusters how???

LMAO!!!

[Barb]

and usually plays this schmaltzy, swing jazz kind of music in the background to make it sound romantic at the same time that he's trying to be funny.

Martini Music.

[conversationpc]

and usually plays this schmaltzy, swing jazz kind of music in the background to make it sound romantic at the same time that he's trying to be funny.

Martini Music.

Yes, that's the affectionate term the Insiders use.

I can hear the music in my head now, too. Very annoying.

[The_Noble_Cause]

You've propagated that kind of humor and much worse on this very forum on many more than one occasion, so spare me the details.

I'm not syndicated nationwide on the public airwaves, nor am I held to the operating standard of PICON.
Don't know what that is? - Then you shouldn't even be entering the fray of this discussion

Yes, that's obviously Glenn's poor attempt at humor. He's done that on his radio show, too, and usually plays this schmaltzy, swing jazz kind of music in the background to make it sound romantic at the same time that he's trying to be funny. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. It obviously doesn't come across as well on TV. If this is your smoking gun, you might want to find something a little more powerful than a BB gun.

Why was the reporter noticeably offended?
Is she a liberal apparatchik who was slated to appear just to set Glenn up for failure?
Beck's comment, as per usual, was beyond the pale.

[The_Noble_Cause]

LMAO!!!

GREAT rebuttal. Really.
Nearly as good as Strange Grey's on page 2. - and here all along I was told only liberals "cut n' run."

Restock on talking points from herr propaganda mesiter, and I'll be waiting.

[AlteredDNA]

Not sure what Edwards has to do with this discussion, but since you brought him up, he is a hypocrite, through and through.

Yea, because rich people can't help the poor, the same way healthy people can't treat the sick.

He's not a hypocrite because he's rich; he's a hypocrite because of his demagoguery of the rich in order to appeal to those who he believes are not. As to the sarcastic meaning behind your comment, it seems that line of thinking eminates much more from the liberal side of the divide - "only minorities can help minorities, only women can help women, etc..."

Does the fact that she has cancer, which by the way they chose to make very public, give her a free pass to say anything without being challenged?

Such as?

You stated she was being attacked and made reference to her being ill. I merely stated that I never saw anyone denigrating her due to her illness, but rather comments she made as an active participant in John's campaign. Please show me where you believe that she was attacked unfairly.

[conversationpc]

You've propagated that kind of humor and much worse on this very forum on many more than one occasion, so spare me the details.

I'm not syndicated nationwide on the public airwaves, nor am I held to the operating standard of PICON.
Don't know what that is? - Then you shouldn't even be entering the fray of this discussion

No, I don't know what PICON is. Please enlighten me, o wise and elevated one.

Let's follow this line of reasoning...I suppose since I haven't served in the military, I also cannot have an opinion on the war? Do I have to refrain from commenting on welfare if I've never been poor? How about women's issues? Do I need to shut the piehole about equal rights since I've never been female?

Why was the reporter noticeably offended?
Is she a liberal apparatchik who was slated to appear just to set Glenn up for failure?
Beck's comment, as per usual, was beyond the pale.

I don't care if she was offended or not. If she, like you, isn't intelligent enough to separate joke from reality, then it's her problem, not Glenn's.

But let's get to the real issue here. Your problem is not that Glenn truly offends people or that he might not be telling the truth (according to you...). Your problem is that he's conservative and that he has a popular radio and television show and that liberals just can't seem to muster up the kind of popularity that Glenn, Rush, Hannity, etc., seem to have.

If you can't see that then maybe you just shouldn't even be "entering the fray of this discussion".

[strangegrey]

...and before you try an ill-fated retort, try explaining away the General Betrayus ad... thats right, you can't.

Yeah, too bad that was MoveOn.org, which isn't a media watchdog site, you dim overbited fuck.

Check the reported financing of the two organizations and come back to me with your poorly thought out retort!

[The_Noble_Cause]

He's not a hypocrite because he's rich; he's a hypocrite because of his demagoguery of the rich in order to appeal to those who he believes are not.

You've just taken my initial comment and re-worded it.
You think he's a hypocrite because he's rich and wants to talk about the plight of those who are not.

It's only a sin to be rich if you're a Democrat. Remember that.

As to the sarcastic meaning behind your comment, it seems that line of thinking eminates much more from the liberal side of the divide - "only minorities can help minorities, only women can help women, etc..."

Not hardly. The rainbow coalition, a rising tide lifting all boats, all of these aphorisms originated on the left, not right.
The right's theme song for some time has been "I got yours, now go chomp on a turd sandwich."

You stated she was being attacked and made reference to her being ill. I merely stated that I never saw anyone denigrating her due to her illness, but rather comments she made as an active participant in John's campaign. Please show me where you believe that she was attacked unfairly.

I never said she was attacked for her illness. However, now that you mention it, I distinctly recall hearing this live ("alleged disease"???).
In my area, local nazis also called for Edwards to step down upon her disease being disclosed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTFqYT2QcHs

[The_Noble_Cause]

Check the reported financing of the two organizations and come back to me with your poorly thought out retort!

Is that the best you can muster?

Some sort of tenuous connection to George Soros, a frail septuagenarian who escaped the holocaust and made it on his own here in America?
If anything, he is the living breathing prototype of the oft-cited GOP "pick urself up by ur boostraps" narrative.

I'm sure you will now in full disclosure list all of Richard Mellon Sacife's ties to the Media Research Center, among others right-leaning sites, in addition to listing Rupert Murdoch's vast growing media empire.

Pitiful.

[The_Noble_Cause]

No, I don't know what PICON is. Please enlighten me, o wise and elevated one.

Google it asshole.

Let's follow this line of reasoning...I suppose since I haven't served in the military, I also cannot have an opinion on the war? Do I have to refrain from commenting on welfare if I've never been poor? How about women's issues? Do I need to shut the piehole about equal rights since I've never been female?

You are an entitled to your own informed opinion. I'll leave it at that.

But let's get to the real issue here. Your problem is not that Glenn truly offends people or that he might not be telling the truth (according to you...).

No, they don't tell the truth.
Case in point - just the other night I heard Savage say the Walter Reed scandal was engineered by leftists and that nothing came of it.
When in fact, the army surgeon general was fired over it.

And this is the precise cacophony of shit that's disseminated over the public airwaves day-in, day-out 24/7.

Your problem is that he's conservative and that he has a popular radio and television show and that liberals just can't seem to muster up the kind of popularity that Glenn, Rush, Hannity, etc., seem to have.

The KKK was once 5 million strong at one point, too.

[AlteredDNA]

He's not a hypocrite because he's rich; he's a hypocrite because of his demagoguery of the rich in order to appeal to those who he believes are not.

You've just taken my initial comment and re-worded it.
You think he's a hypocrite because he's rich and wants to talk about the plight of those who are not.

It's only a sin to be rich if you're a Democrat. Remember that.

I didn't reword anything. I simply stated what Edwards does that makes him a hypocrite. BTW, there's nothing wrong with being rich, contrary to what the Democrats what have you believe.

As to the sarcastic meaning behind your comment, it seems that line of thinking eminates much more from the liberal side of the divide - "only minorities can help minorities, only women can help women, etc..."

Not hardly. The rainbow coalition, a rising tide lifting all boats, all of these aphorisms originated on the left, not right.
The right's theme song for some time has been "I got yours, now go chomp on a turd sandwich."

Please. The "rainbow coalition" you refer to is a loose-knit collection of groups who's only real common thread is "Republicans are evil". After that, it becomes "me and mine first..."

You stated she was being attacked and made reference to her being ill. I merely stated that I never saw anyone denigrating her due to her illness, but rather comments she made as an active participant in John's campaign. Please show me where you believe that she was attacked unfairly.

I never said she was attacked for her illness. However, now that you mention it, I distinctly recall hearing this live ("alleged disease"???).
In my area, local nazis also called for Edwards to step down upon her disease being disclosed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTFqYT2QcHs

Checked out the link - agreed, "alleged disease" was out of line. It's a shame, too, because every other word he said was spot on.

[The_Noble_Cause]

I didn't reword anything. I simply stated what Edwards does that makes him a hypocrite.

Yet you refuse to define why. Talking about poverty, as well as starting a poverty center makes him a hypocrite? Or is it his haircut?
And if it is, just what the fuck do you care how he spends his own money?

BTW, there's nothing wrong with being rich, contrary to what the Democrats what have you believe.

I've never heard any Democrat say anything to that effect.
Arguing against tax cuts for the rich and preventing the dawn of a modern gilded age is also something else entiriely.

Checked out the link - agreed, "alleged disease" was out of line. It's a shame, too, because every other word he said was spot on.

So I take it, you think Edwards was in the wrong to sue the pool drain manufacturer whose faulty product resulted in a 3 year old girl losing her large intestine?
Intersting.
Tort reform is about as valid as sasquatch, by the way.

[lights1961]

TNC.. we get it... conservatives are all brain dead because we listen to rush hannity and fox news... and your mind is all knowing because you watch larry king live, anderson cooper, Brian Williams and KAtie Couric





Rick