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Postby Red13JoePa » Thu May 15, 2008 12:29 am

Carlitto H@kk wrote:As for apoligetic songs, well...
Maybe "Never Too Late" is a veiled apology to Perry??? :lol: :lol: :lol:


Nothing of the sort.
It's Castronovo's substance struggles.

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Postby Babyblue » Thu May 15, 2008 1:04 am

NealIsGod wrote:I can hear the Loons sqwawking from here. Duck for cover! :lol:

“Oh, y’know,” Schon says. “There’s no legal issue. We just try not to. I mean, I didn’t say anything inflammatory. I didn’t talk about how he still gets paid like a motherfucker even though he shouldn’t be. It’s stuff like that I’m not allowed to talk about. He sorta just bitches and moans and whines about everything. And he just assumes that every time we bring up his name, that we’re sayin’ bad things.”



I am not a loon.But there is only one voice in journey & that isSteve Perry & no other. Sockboy i hope you read this out are so out of line. Never forget who helped you get there :twisted: You are and will always be a dirtbag to me.I will get bitched at i know but i don't get a crap.
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Postby Babyblue » Thu May 15, 2008 1:09 am

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The_Noble_Cause wrote:
NealIsGod wrote:Yeah, when you get Perry to speak to you, that's a major coup. I don't think Perry came off looking very good, myself. Real shitty toward the singers who have joined after him (not gonna say "replaced" because that isn't possible).


I dunno...Perry is under no obligation to support any post-Perry incarnation, why should he acknowledge their existence?


It would be classy to at least be able to say their names. Plus, as Neal says, Perry is still being "paid like a motherfucker" by this incarnation. :lol:


And you don't think Mr P should be paid? Look at all the music he gave us i feel he sould be paid.
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Postby NealIsGod » Thu May 15, 2008 1:11 am

Babyblue wrote:
NealIsGod wrote:
The_Noble_Cause wrote:
NealIsGod wrote:Yeah, when you get Perry to speak to you, that's a major coup. I don't think Perry came off looking very good, myself. Real shitty toward the singers who have joined after him (not gonna say "replaced" because that isn't possible).


I dunno...Perry is under no obligation to support any post-Perry incarnation, why should he acknowledge their existence?


It would be classy to at least be able to say their names. Plus, as Neal says, Perry is still being "paid like a motherfucker" by this incarnation. :lol:


And you don't think Mr P should be paid? Look at all the music he gave us i feel he sould be paid.


Of course he should. Just saying Journey's singers work for him, too.
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Postby Babyblue » Thu May 15, 2008 1:18 am

NealIsGod wrote:
Babyblue wrote:
NealIsGod wrote:
The_Noble_Cause wrote:
NealIsGod wrote:Yeah, when you get Perry to speak to you, that's a major coup. I don't think Perry came off looking very good, myself. Real shitty toward the singers who have joined after him (not gonna say "replaced" because that isn't possible).


I dunno...Perry is under no obligation to support any post-Perry incarnation, why should he acknowledge their existence?


It would be classy to at least be able to say their names. Plus, as Neal says, Perry is still being "paid like a motherfucker" by this incarnation. :lol:


And you don't think Mr P should be paid? Look at all the music he gave us i feel he sould be paid.


Of course he should. Just saying Journey's singers work for him, too.


I am sorry not mad at you.It just bugs me thats all.heehee
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Postby stevew2 » Thu May 15, 2008 2:05 am

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stevew2 wrote: What makes you think Steve A made millions of dollars???


Let's do the math here, junior. He did approximately 400 shows over 8 years. I'll guarantee you that he made at least $ 5,000 per show. You following me so far? If your math skills in any way parallel your grammar skills you're going to need a calculator for the next part. Press the "On" button on your calculator. Next, multiply (that's the key that looks like an "x." Use your Speak N' Spell if you need help.) 5,000 and 400. You get 2,000,000. Since we were talking dollars, that gives you 2 million dollars, steviewonder2. Hope that helps! :D
A little testy today arent we, your basement got a leak or something? You or anyone else dosent know how much he actually took home. Have you figured that in with your calculator Mr St. rocket scientist?
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Postby Saint John » Thu May 15, 2008 2:30 am

stevew2 wrote: You or anyone else dosent know how much he actually took home.


He pays taxes just like the rest of us, dumbass. That's a moot point.
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Postby stevew2 » Thu May 15, 2008 2:32 am

Saint John wrote:
stevew2 wrote: You or anyone else dosent know how much he actually took home.


He pays taxes just like the rest of us, dumbass. That's a moot point.
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Postby Calbear94 » Thu May 15, 2008 3:36 am

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Ftloperry wrote:Perry, who’s finally started working on his first album of new material since leaving Journey

Wasn't Steve's new material since leaving Journey "For the Love of Strange Medicine"......could the interviewer have his facts wrong or did he post this to just get reactions that he talked to Steve? :?: :?:


Nope, you're wrong. FTLOSM was before he re-joined to do TBF. He did have one new single, "I Stand Alone", off of the Vision Quest soundtrack and then Sony released "Greatest Hits + 5" as part of his agreement to get out of his contract with Sony. Otherwise no real new "Steve Perry" material. A couple of collaborations and background vocals but, nothing new.

Now, I'm not counting all of the Chicago White Sox stuff from three years ago. :D :lol:



I remember hearing "United We Stand" on the radio, which was also off the Quest for Camelot soundtrack.
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Postby Saint John » Thu May 15, 2008 4:00 am

stevew2 wrote:
Saint John wrote:
stevew2 wrote: You or anyone else dosent know how much he actually took home.


He pays taxes just like the rest of us, dumbass. That's a moot point.
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Did some research for you, pecker-checker. I was able to find out that each Journey member made approximately $8,000 per show during the Augeri years. Whether or not you believe that is completely up to you. Multiply that by 400 shows and you get approximately 4 million dollars. Check mate (that's a chess term meaning "game over" not a line from a Crocidile Dundee movie as I'm assuming you think it is :lol: ). Later, dude. 8)
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Postby strangegrey » Thu May 15, 2008 4:02 am

Assuming 60 shows a year, that's about 480k. Add in some merch revenue and you're easily in excess of 500k. Damn, that certainly puts them into the 35% bracket....
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Postby yulog » Thu May 15, 2008 4:13 am

DrFU wrote:
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DracIsBack wrote:
What the fuck do you mean "what?" He was rescued from his job as a regional maintenance manager from The Gap and afforded the opportunity to, over 8 years, make a couple of million dollars. He was given an opportunity, worked hard, toured harder, and cashed fat pay checks. What don't you understand?


I honestly am skeptical at how much money Augeri made. You'd be surprised at how little "hired hands" make at times.


He was, by all accounts, a full partner. He made millions...there's no doubt about that. None at all.


If you add gross salaries up for 8 YEARS, many of us have made a million.

Not quite the same thing as netting over a mil a year...



I think your a bit off here, the majority of people on this board are not making over 125k a year, i bet they wish they were but thats not the case.
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Postby jrnyman28 » Thu May 15, 2008 4:28 am

Ftloperry wrote:Perry, who’s finally started working on his first album of new material since leaving Journey

Wasn't Steve's new material since leaving Journey "For the Love of Strange Medicine"......could the interviewer have his facts wrong or did he post this to just get reactions that he talked to Steve? :?: :?:


FTLOSM was 1994. Perry didn't officially leave Journey until May 1998.
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Postby jrnyman28 » Thu May 15, 2008 4:32 am

brywool wrote:
stevew2 wrote:That was the most retarded article I have read to to date .Augeri bailed out ??, to much stupid shit to even take the time to repeat,Stick a testical in your mouth Neal it will make more sense. Just another reason not to see Jurnne this year, Great


also mentioned "after Perry left Journey"

Um, they left him, and rightfully so.


In the end, Perry came to an agreement to quit Journey.
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Postby jrnyman28 » Thu May 15, 2008 4:38 am

Red13JoePa wrote:
Carlitto H@kk wrote:As for apoligetic songs, well...
Maybe "Never Too Late" is a veiled apology to Perry??? :lol: :lol: :lol:


Nothing of the sort.
It's Castronovo's substance struggles.



I don't think it was written "about" Deen's struggles. I thought they decided to have him sing it after getting out of rehab and he nailed it BECAUSE he could relate to it so well...
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Postby jrnyman28 » Thu May 15, 2008 4:42 am

My opinion of Neal's "paid like a motherfucker" comment. I thought it read like that was an example of something he gets accused of and that Perry thinks anytime Neal says anything it must be bad.

But for the record, I remember a radio interview before the Vacation's Over show here where Neal was being rather demeaning toward Perry by saying 'If Lou can get up and perform after BRAIN SURGERY than Perry should have been able to tour'. Neal was definitely feeling hurt still by the way the Perry departure went down!
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Postby NealIsGod » Thu May 15, 2008 4:55 am

jrnyman28 wrote:My opinion of Neal's "paid like a motherfucker" comment. I thought it read like that was an example of something he gets accused of and that Perry thinks anytime Neal says anything it must be bad.

But for the record, I remember a radio interview before the Vacation's Over show here where Neal was being rather demeaning toward Perry by saying 'If Lou can get up and perform after BRAIN SURGERY than Perry should have been able to tour'. Neal was definitely feeling hurt still by the way the Perry departure went down!


Was he wrong?
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Postby Jeremey » Thu May 15, 2008 5:01 am

NealIsGod wrote:
jrnyman28 wrote:My opinion of Neal's "paid like a motherfucker" comment. I thought it read like that was an example of something he gets accused of and that Perry thinks anytime Neal says anything it must be bad.

But for the record, I remember a radio interview before the Vacation's Over show here where Neal was being rather demeaning toward Perry by saying 'If Lou can get up and perform after BRAIN SURGERY than Perry should have been able to tour'. Neal was definitely feeling hurt still by the way the Perry departure went down!


Was he wrong?


Look what happened to Lou's rep once he got out there and tried to sing after having brain surgery. Not the same as hip replacement surgery, of course, but it speaks volumes for performers who go out at the top of their game, so to speak.
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Postby Tito » Thu May 15, 2008 5:03 am

Carlitto H@kk wrote:
Hmmm...
Schon just recently played a big part in firing Augeri and Jeff.


And HIRING them in first place.
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Postby Saint John » Thu May 15, 2008 5:09 am

Jeremey wrote:Look what happened to Lou's rep once he got out there and tried to sing after having brain surgery.


Not a fucking thing. What he did prior to said surgery is something that can never be taken away, and I find his determination to continue what he loves to do inspiring, regardless of what level he now performs at. Lou Gramm doesn't care about perpetuating perceptions, "legacies" and any other silly criteria for judging a singer. He cares about performing and God fucking bless him for that. 8)
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Postby The_Noble_Cause » Thu May 15, 2008 5:18 am

Jeremey wrote:
NealIsGod wrote:
jrnyman28 wrote:My opinion of Neal's "paid like a motherfucker" comment. I thought it read like that was an example of something he gets accused of and that Perry thinks anytime Neal says anything it must be bad.

But for the record, I remember a radio interview before the Vacation's Over show here where Neal was being rather demeaning toward Perry by saying 'If Lou can get up and perform after BRAIN SURGERY than Perry should have been able to tour'. Neal was definitely feeling hurt still by the way the Perry departure went down!


Was he wrong?


Look what happened to Lou's rep once he got out there and tried to sing after having brain surgery. Not the same as hip replacement surgery, of course, but it speaks volumes for performers who go out at the top of their game, so to speak.


I see both sides of the argument, but on a related note, Bobby Kimball of Toto recently talked about how he finished one tour spinning around on-stage in an electric wheelchair after breaking his knee jumping off a speaker.

He thinks if any footage of it leaks, it will propel him to to the pantheon of YouTube gods.
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Postby conversationpc » Thu May 15, 2008 5:33 am

Saint John wrote:
Jeremey wrote:Look what happened to Lou's rep once he got out there and tried to sing after having brain surgery.


Not a fucking thing. What he did prior to said surgery is something that can never be taken away, and I find his determination to continue what he loves to do inspiring, regardless of what level he now performs at. Lou Gramm doesn't care about perpetuating perceptions, "legacies" and any other silly criteria for judging a singer. He cares about performing and God fucking bless him for that. 8)


Yeah, I haven't noticed any damage at all to Gramm's reputation. Most fans of the band probably still love the dude and other, casual fans, probably don't even know he's out and touring.
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Postby Jeremey » Thu May 15, 2008 5:35 am

conversationpc wrote:
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Jeremey wrote:Look what happened to Lou's rep once he got out there and tried to sing after having brain surgery.


Not a fucking thing. What he did prior to said surgery is something that can never be taken away, and I find his determination to continue what he loves to do inspiring, regardless of what level he now performs at. Lou Gramm doesn't care about perpetuating perceptions, "legacies" and any other silly criteria for judging a singer. He cares about performing and God fucking bless him for that. 8)


Yeah, I haven't noticed any damage at all to Gramm's reputation. Most fans of the band probably still love the dude and other, casual fans, probably don't even know he's out and touring.


The reality is that there really isn't a "reputation," I had just heard he really wasn't singing well, so I guess I blew that up into a bonafide "reputation." But by the same token, everyone who asks me about Journey always says "I heard Steve Perry can't sing anymore!" so I guess there goes my argument.
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Postby annie89509 » Thu May 15, 2008 5:50 am

NealIsGod wrote:
annie89509 wrote:
NealIsGod wrote:This is the only thing I can remember reading or hearing Neal say bad about Perry since the TBF debacle.

You must have short memories, NIG


Refresh my memory then. I remember Schon convincing Perry to show up at the WOF by saying he deserved to be there on the radio. I remember Augeri saying he would step aside if Perry ever wanted to come back. Countless ass-kissing compliments and praises have been sent Perry's way by the band over the years, but the Loons only like to dig for a nugget of negativity that they can turn into a mountain to throw back at Schon and Co. :roll:

Well, let's see.... starting with NoMota, Inc., which is still used to this very day (I believe) ... seems just a tiny bit incongruous with the "open invitations to sing with us" statements. Countless (too hard for me to dig up) interviews in which SP is minimized as just their singer (in those days).

True, generally interviews (post-TG) have been complimentary toward SP (aside from little digs here and there).

I guess only Loons remember the older interviews when both Neal (& Jon) were prone to slash and burn. I specifically remember reading an article at JourneyDigest (maybe it's still archived there) in which SP was ridicled and grilled at the stake. This was when Arrival was being promoted, and BTM had just come out. Kevin Shirley aided and abided. Yet, throughout all these years, SP has not once criticized any one of them for their past actions (either directly or indirectly against him).

As SP once said, "I was not easy to deal with .... but nobody was a picnic in the park, either." (something to that effect).
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Postby jrnyman28 » Thu May 15, 2008 6:22 am

But at the same time, I have seen many posts where people are so hypersensitive that ANY comment that was not glowing about Perry was considered "slash and burn", "bashing", degrading, demeaning, marginalizing, etc. Neal and Jon have never been able to say ANYTHING about Perry without it being ripped to shreds. I htink that is what Neal is referring to.
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Postby Moon Beam » Thu May 15, 2008 6:24 am

Saint John wrote:
Jeremey wrote:Look what happened to Lou's rep once he got out there and tried to sing after having brain surgery.


What he did prior to said surgery is something that can never be taken away, and I find his determination to continue what he loves to do inspiring, regardless of what level he now performs at.



I agree that Gramm got kicked in the gonads by folks that were unforgiving with his sound
when he came back.
I however am not one of them, takes a strong person to dive in the depths of their own
delves knowing that a certain strength no longer holds the stranglehold of what the fans feel for.
Saying this I would pay to see him.....gladly.
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Postby LazzMan » Thu May 15, 2008 6:36 am

tanga wrote:
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Ftloperry wrote:Perry, who’s finally started working on his first album of new material since leaving Journey


Nope, you're wrong. FTLOSM was before he re-joined to do TBF. He did have one new single, "I Stand Alone", off of the Vision Quest soundtrack and then Sony released "Greatest Hits + 5" as part of his agreement to get out of his contract with Sony. Otherwise no real new "Steve Perry" material. A couple of collaborations and background vocals but, nothing new.

You mean I stand Alone, off the "QUEST FOR CAMELOT". "Only the Young" is off Vision Quest!!


Ooops. You're right. I was getting my "Quests" all messed up. Thanks.
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Postby Saint John » Thu May 15, 2008 6:41 am

annie89509 wrote: Yet, throughout all these years, SP has not once criticized any one of them for their past actions


How could he? They never did anything but cow-tow to him, put up with his bullshit, watch him fire members, wrestle control away from the band and Herbie, had to apologize for him missing tons of meet and greets, and shelving the band. In the mean time, the other members were forced to look over their shoulders while Perry "cut" people like he was a fucking high school football coach, play Street Talk songs with an obese black guy and a fucking pink hat toting drummer, hold in their vomit when the nasal eclipse forced them to play Motown songs because he has a man crush on black singers from the 60's, and watch with horror as Perry and his "L" shaped silouhette walked back into the bat cave after he nixed an anticipated lineup (Rolie and Chalfant) for a falsely labeled "reunion tour" like a Wiggler would a can of Slim Fast. Can't imagine why Perry "takes the high road" all the time. :roll:
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Postby annie89509 » Thu May 15, 2008 6:56 am

The_Noble_Cause wrote:
Jeremey wrote:
NealIsGod wrote:
jrnyman28 wrote:My opinion of Neal's "paid like a motherfucker" comment. I thought it read like that was an example of something he gets accused of and that Perry thinks anytime Neal says anything it must be bad.

But for the record, I remember a radio interview before the Vacation's Over show here where Neal was being rather demeaning toward Perry by saying 'If Lou can get up and perform after BRAIN SURGERY than Perry should have been able to tour'. Neal was definitely feeling hurt still by the way the Perry departure went down!


Was he wrong?


Look what happened to Lou's rep once he got out there and tried to sing after having brain surgery. Not the same as hip replacement surgery, of course, but it speaks volumes for performers who go out at the top of their game, so to speak.


I see both sides of the argument, but on a related note, Bobby Kimball of Toto recently talked about how he finished one tour spinning around on-stage in an electric wheelchair after breaking his knee jumping off a speaker.

He thinks if any footage of it leaks, it will propel him to to the pantheon of YouTube gods.

See, this is the thing, SP is a private person, and perfectionist, (as we all know). This is a double whammy for frustrated SP and Journey fans. Some choose to lash out, some resigned to keep the faith in the man. The visual of Bobby Kimball spinning around the stage on a wheelchair is funny. Can you imagine SP wanting to do that? There was talk that SP "could have" toured sitting in a wheelchair, and he pretty much slammed that suggestion down.

I think his attitude is pretty much "if those guys want to do it, fine, more power to them" but "that's just not me. I have to be true to myself."
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Postby Saint John » Thu May 15, 2008 7:02 am

Moon Beam wrote:I agree that Gramm got kicked in the gonads by folks that were unforgiving with his sound
when he came back.
I however am not one of them, takes a strong person to dive in the depths of their own
delves knowing that a certain strength no longer holds the stranglehold of what the fans feel for.
Saying this I would pay to see him.....gladly.


Out-fucking-standing post, Moonshine. Tossing insecurities aside and stopping at nothing to do what you love is exponentially more virtuous than talking about it.
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