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Postby S2M » Thu Jul 10, 2008 7:08 am

SusieP wrote:
ProgRocker53 wrote:RoR is a FANTASTIC album...

Not quite 100% pop, and it even has rockier moments... the title track has just as much teeth as many other songs from the era. Throw in BGTY, OYLS, and various other moments throughout the rest of the album and it did carry a "rock" vibe throughout, even if most songs were mid-tempo.

This Journey album makes me "feel" more than all others except for possibly TBF.. and for listeners like me who get emotionally attached to music, that carries a whole bunch of weight.

Very, VERY good record.



Why is there no DVD of the tour?
It should be out there if only for us to look at those clothes and hairstyles.



Can't you just step outside your flat, and view those styles? :wink:
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Postby SusieP » Thu Jul 10, 2008 7:10 am

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I know she's not a rock singer, but she has one POWERFUL voice - Dame Shirley Bassey. She is lauded for still having a voice and, ok, she can still belt out the James Bond Themes at the age of seventy or whatever, but she does maybe six shows a year.


Yes, that dame can sing. "I'd like to run away from you . . ."


She played Glastonbury festival last year.
Arrived by helicopter and when she got out of it she was wearing an evening dress and wellington boots. The wellies had the letters DSB in rhinestones on them.

She would like us to think the DSB was the initials of Dame Shirley Bassey.....but we know the truth! :lol:
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Postby SusieP » Thu Jul 10, 2008 7:11 am

StocktontoMalone wrote:
SusieP wrote:
ProgRocker53 wrote:RoR is a FANTASTIC album...

Not quite 100% pop, and it even has rockier moments... the title track has just as much teeth as many other songs from the era. Throw in BGTY, OYLS, and various other moments throughout the rest of the album and it did carry a "rock" vibe throughout, even if most songs were mid-tempo.

This Journey album makes me "feel" more than all others except for possibly TBF.. and for listeners like me who get emotionally attached to music, that carries a whole bunch of weight.

Very, VERY good record.



Why is there no DVD of the tour?
It should be out there if only for us to look at those clothes and hairstyles.



Can't you just step outside your flat, and view those styles? :wink:


There is no door or window in my padded cell. :lol:
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Postby SusieP » Thu Jul 10, 2008 7:13 am

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SusieP wrote:Think I'll print that article off and read it at bedtime instead of a book!
There's enough pages there to wallpaper a room! :shock:
What are you thinkin about?



That would be telling. :wink:
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Postby Matthew » Thu Jul 10, 2008 10:02 am

finalfight wrote:P :lol: P! Or Pop/rock at the very least. Its certainly not an out and out rock album. Sits nicely with Peter Gabriel's So from the same year in that respect. Even Judas Priest followed the trend with the poptastic Turbo!



So did Genesis with Invisible Touch....and loads of singles from 1984-1986 are part of that trend too - These Dreams by Heart, I Want to Break Free by Queen, That Was Yesterday by Foreigner, Can't Fight This Feeling by Reo Speedwagon....the list is endless.

But compare - say - Be Good To Yourself with any of the above (with the exception of the Judas Priest record) and you can see that Journey had retained their rock edge much more than most of their contemporaries had.

Also - Journey were one of the bands who initiated this trend in the first place. They had written pop/rock songs since 1978 which matched the times. Anyway You Want It was in many ways an out and out pop song by 1980 standards...in the same way that Girl Can't Help It was in 1986.

It's funny...I 've heard this theory so often that ROR representated a departure for Journey because they went 'pop' for the first time...and it never fails to amaze me because even the most casual Journey fan listening to the Greatest Hits CD could tell you this simply isn't true.
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Postby Liquid_Drummer » Thu Jul 10, 2008 10:58 am

SusieP wrote:
ProgRocker53 wrote:RoR is a FANTASTIC album...

Not quite 100% pop, and it even has rockier moments... the title track has just as much teeth as many other songs from the era. Throw in BGTY, OYLS, and various other moments throughout the rest of the album and it did carry a "rock" vibe throughout, even if most songs were mid-tempo.

This Journey album makes me "feel" more than all others except for possibly TBF.. and for listeners like me who get emotionally attached to music, that carries a whole bunch of weight.

Very, VERY good record.



Why is there no DVD of the tour?
It should be out there if only for us to look at those clothes and hairstyles.


Please god no ROR tour DVD unless they release a pre Cain video with it. The older material was too fast and stiff with Smitty and gone and to me it just seemed like, Hey, lets play this shit fast and get the hell out of here. The urgency ruins it and im sorry but if I never see Cain slinging a neon paint splattered trech coat doing that goofy fucking dance playing that fucking abomination of all musical instruments the keytar it will be too soon. Please for the love of god no ROR vid without something that had Rollie in it. 1979-1980 live would fucking rule.. Patiently live on dvd in 5.1 anyone with those insane cool ad libs Perry was doing at the end of Patiently on the 79-80 boots. Man I would shit tye dye !
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Postby stevew2 » Thu Jul 10, 2008 11:06 am

Liquid_Drummer wrote:
SusieP wrote:
ProgRocker53 wrote:RoR is a FANTASTIC album...

Not quite 100% pop, and it even has rockier moments... the title track has just as much teeth as many other songs from the era. Throw in BGTY, OYLS, and various other moments throughout the rest of the album and it did carry a "rock" vibe throughout, even if most songs were mid-tempo.

This Journey album makes me "feel" more than all others except for possibly TBF.. and for listeners like me who get emotionally attached to music, that carries a whole bunch of weight.

Very, VERY good record.



Why is there no DVD of the tour?
It should be out there if only for us to look at those clothes and hairstyles.


Please god no ROR tour DVD unless they release a pre Cain video with it. The older material was too fast and stiff with Smitty and gone and to me it just seemed like, Hey, lets play this shit fast and get the hell out of here. The urgency ruins it and im sorry but if I never see Cain slinging a neon paint splattered trech coat doing that goofy fucking dance playing that fucking abomination of all musical instruments the keytar it will be too soon. Please for the love of god no ROR vid without something that had Rollie in it. 1979-1980 live would fucking rule.. Patiently live on dvd in 5.1 anyone with those insane cool ad libs Perry was doing at the end of Patiently on the 79-80 boots. Man I would shit tye dye !
i agree Friga look like he should have played for Wamm in the fairy suit he wore
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Postby TRAGChick » Thu Jul 10, 2008 11:07 am

Thank you SO MUCH for this article.

I'm not done yet (on pg 8 of 21(!):shock:)....

But had to stop to crib this:

You wanna know WHY I hold Steve Perry as my top influence? Read on:
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MUSICAL INTERLUDE: THE ‘PERRYTOOLS’ OF THE TRADE

Before picking up again on Perry’s recorded works and a return to the stage some seven plus years after the ‘Radio’ Tour, it would seem to be a good time to summarise and review the tools of his vocal trade (other than the notes he was singing and the ranges used)…

Power:
As already touched upon, he had an incredible set of pipes that seemed to be able to deliver the power required on tap, whilst keeping the notes clean and not reverting to ‘screamer’ notes.

Vibrato:
His vibrato was controlled and maintained up his range, which was another talent that separated him from many a contender (others having a vibrato that was too fast or slow, or uncontrolled).

Interpretation:
The sign of a good singer is how they interpret a lyric for maximum effect, and let the songs and the words make the real impact. Steve Perry was always one of the finest in the field of lyrical interpretation but when you incorporate his own superb vocal ability and timbre it ‘naturally’ enhanced the songs and lyrics elevating him, in my opinion, to leader in this field.

Emotion & Feeling:
Related to interpretation, this is another powerful tool when wielded correctly, and a disaster when faked. There are many singers - in pop, rock, and even metal - who drip saccharine laced or crocodile tear vocals over songs to try and produce a dramatic or emotional interpretation, but to produce genuine sincerity in a lyric or song while still emoting or producing an exemplary performance is a talent in itself. It takes not only a special singer, but usually pretty special or well-crafted songs.
Perry ticked both those boxes.

Clarity of notes:
During the peak performing years the clarity displayed was quite incredible, with at least two thirds of his countertenor range delivered in full voice before reverting to any sort of falsetto, with no ‘throaty’ or ‘chesty’ singing. Tremendous examples of this sort of clarity can be heard within the strong clean vocal deliveries on the outro of Don’t Stop Believin’ and the harmony notes at the finale of Mother Father. During this same period (the Escape Tour) he managed to deliver live versions rivalling the studio takes. Clearly though, as his singing voice stepped down and morphed into the richer fatter tones heard predominately from Raised on Radio onwards, there was ‘dirt’ in some of the vocal notes (sometimes referred to as a vocal ‘rasp’) as opposed to the once ‘clean’ high end range, but this for me and many others only enhanced the distinctive vocal that was unmistakably Steve Perry.

Discipline & Determination:
The vocal discipline and single minded determination to produce solid vocal performances night after night, tour after tour, was extraordinary - although the downside was obvious…
Being in such a zone and so committed meant many other issues or responsibilities sometimes took a back seat, making him a problematic person to deal with, particularly on tour (he later admitted to being ‘no picnic’ in the Hay Daze). However the upside was he made every attempt to reproduce ‘studio’ vocals live without compromise, and this - more than any other attribute - is what separates Steve Perry from the contenders and pretenders to his throne (more on his vocal rivals later).
Many continue to copy, sing, or mimic in the Steve Perry style, but none have ever matched it.
Primarily because they don’t have all the tools as described above, or have a poorer collection of them.
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Postby Matthew » Thu Jul 10, 2008 11:12 am

Liquid_Drummer wrote:I never see Cain slinging a neon paint splattered trech coat doing that goofy fucking dance playing that fucking abomination of all musical instruments the keytar it will be too soon.


Not Cain's finest moment to be sure...but the keyboard solo he did on that tour would be worth seeing...it was a real grandiose, stadium sized solo...so much better than the twinkly efforts he's been performing recently...


Please for the love of god no ROR vid without something that had Rollie in it.



Say what you like about Cain's paint-splattered trench coat...but Rolie was one pug ugly bloke with seriously bad hair. Why anyone would want to watch live footage of that for an hour and a half is beyond me....

And his voice. Don't get me started on that one....sounds like a singer in a tribute band to the Electric Light Orchestra....
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Postby Matthew » Thu Jul 10, 2008 11:14 am

TRAGChick wrote:The vocal discipline and single minded determination to produce solid vocal performances night after night, tour after tour, was extraordinary - although the downside was obvious…

Being in such a zone and so committed meant many other issues or responsibilities sometimes took a back seat, making him a problematic person to deal with, particularly on tour (he later admitted to being ‘no picnic’ in the Hay Daze). However the upside was he made every attempt to reproduce ‘studio’ vocals live without compromise, and this - more than any other attribute - is what separates Steve Perry from the contenders and pretenders to his throne (more on his vocal rivals later).

Many continue to copy, sing, or mimic in the Steve Perry style, but none have ever matched it.
Primarily because they don’t have all the tools as described above, or have a poorer collection of them.



So true...and an important point to bear in mind for those fans who complain to this day that he wasn't a good band-mate.
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Postby TRAGChick » Thu Jul 10, 2008 11:27 am

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STANDING ALONE (1998-2008)

Steve Perry’s musical Journey ended in 1998, and although I stated in the introduction this analysis will not deal with the man but simply the voice, it has to be noted that Perry is an emotional and complex character who still has issues with the ‘divorce’, and I personally believe it affected him to such a degree that it played a part in his reluctance to get back in the musical saddle.

However Perry is a smart businessman and has been from day one with Journey, and along with his performance royalty payments it’s possible he could afford not to return to the 9-5 of music and tours.

But ten years on from the split that particular royalty agreement has expired, and before looking at the current situation and potential future, it should be noted that he hasn’t been completely silent vocally since his Trial by Fire.

In 1998 Perry recorded two songs for the animated movie Quest for Camelot soundtrack and although one was almost incidental in its form, the other was a true vocal highlight.

I Stand Alone is an emotive orchestrated ballad featuring The Voice in crooning tenor mode, and I would suggest is lyrically poignant for the singer, having felt isolated and probably still very bitter at the time regarding the split - it certainly seemed a fitting choice of song.
To date I Stand Alone is the last solo/ lead vocal appearance from Steve Perry and was, to all intents and purposes, the last anyone ‘heard’ of The Voice until 2005…

That year Perry co-wrote with singer David Pack, produced a track for Pack’s album The Secret of Movin’ On, and sang backing vocals on A Brand New Start from that same release.

:arrow: Also in 2005 Don’t Stop Believin’ was adopted by the Chicago White Sox baseball team as their anthem with Perry an invited guest at games, and he also led the team in an impromptu version of the song in Chicago as part of the celebrations after the White Sox won the World Series.

That very event led many to claim Perry was done vocally and had no voice left, failing to consider that anyone (from the tone deaf to vocal pro) singing in ‘party mode’ with a bunch of guys is not going to sound like Sinatra. They were probably the same detractors who felt he was done after 1987.


Early in 2007 guitarist Nuno Bettencourt confirmed that he had written some songs with Perry, and later that year rocky pop-punks Guff released their album Symphony of Voices which included the Journey song I Can See It in Your Eyes, produced by Perry and featuring his distinct backing vocal.

:arrow: Having stated recently that he is ‘hankering to do something’ again musically, and with Journey back in the news with a chart album , new singer, and new versions of the classics rerecorded, it is maybe no coincidence that in March 2008 Perry confirmed he has been writing and recording demos.

A reaction to the hype behind new kid on the block Arnel Pineda and the Journey resurgence?

A necessity to help pay for the cappuccinos now that due to the rerecordings the performance royalties are a thing of the past? A genuine possibility…or another false dawn?

Only time and Steve Perry can tell, but the thought is intriguing, exciting, and maybe problematical...


Steve Perry is between a rock and a hard place.

The younger Journey fans and those living in the past will expect or want Steve Perry to sound like the Steve Perry of the eighties - which is ridiculous, unfair, and impossible.
Those that think he may still have a return Journey to make are either not aware of the facts or living a personal fantasy – he has previously stated he does not want to be a ‘parody’ of himself and one of the reasons he would not go down that route again is that he would in effect now just be replacement No. 4 for a guy they used to have called Steve Perry .

If/ when he comes out with anything new, I would surmise he is going to be more akin to a rock mid-tenor with rich baritone abilities and a voice suited to soul, r&b and crooner/ power ballad material.

Many would welcome that, myself included, but how many more would be critical, blinkered, and one dimensional by complaining that it’s ‘not the Steve Perry’ they love and remember?

But as regards the Steve Perry vocal legacy that is loved and remembered…
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Postby 4ever4Steve » Thu Jul 10, 2008 11:34 am

I never forgave Frank Sinatra for saying ( in 1956); "rock 'n'roll is only performed by and listened to, by 'cretinous morons'. It is garbage!".
So I never liked him..thought he was a "mediocre" singer, and a nasty person and I though Bing Crosby and Dean Martin were MUCH better singers!
Na na na na na!! :evil:


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Postby Rick » Thu Jul 10, 2008 11:36 am

4ever4Steve wrote:I never forgave Frank Sinatra for saying ( in 1956); "rock 'n'roll is only performed by and listened to, by 'cretinous morons'. It is garbage!".
So I never liked him..thought he was a "mediocre" singer, and a nasty person and I though Bing Crosby and Dean Martin were MUCH better singers!
Na na na na na!! :evil:


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Cool. I had no idea I was a cretinous moron that listens to garbage. :lol: Never was much of a fan of Sinatra either.
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Postby perryfaithful » Thu Jul 10, 2008 12:24 pm

TRAGChick wrote:Thank you SO MUCH for this article.

I'm not done yet (on pg 8 of 21(!):shock:)....

But had to stop to crib this:

You wanna know WHY I hold Steve Perry as my top influence? Read on:
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Bless Nora, I knew you would get into the heart of this piece!
"In Journey, all the hit songs we had were based around Steve Perry's vocals."

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Postby musicfan17 » Thu Jul 10, 2008 3:13 pm

SP Was truly one of the great voices of our time. Although I never want to hear him with Journey again, I'd love to see what he's got left in the form of some new original solo material. I'd buy it in a heartbeat. For me, his soulfulness and the intense emotion that he put into his singing are what really captured me.

As for all the comments about ROR being such a vocal masterpiece....IMO...while he still sang with a lot of emotion on ROR...it is by far the weakest Journey album ever. I sarcastically call it Steve Perry's second solo album (with a much better guitar player!). Long gone is the clearness and strength from the early years, and his vocals dancing all over a passage. By Frontiers and especially ROR...his voice had a rougher, more "smoky" quality to it. Still unbelievebly soulfull, but far from the Departure/Escape era. IMO Perry's most brilliant vocal work was from Infinity through Escape. Frontiers had a few gems, but all the touring had caught up to him by then. Now granted...even though his voice changed, he still sang some really good stuff. Good, but not the Steve Perry of old. Raised On Radio was a weak Journey album at best, but a weak Journey album is still better than 80% of the other crap out there. TBF was written and sang around what SP could still do vocally not what he couldn't do IMO. I really got into TBF...but again...a different SP vocally.

I tend to take the view that if I never hear new material from SP...I still got a lot of great stuff from him with Journey and his solo albums that I will always enjoy. His voice was always moving, even in it's later, less brilliant versions.
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Postby Deb » Thu Jul 10, 2008 3:24 pm

Rick wrote:
4ever4Steve wrote:I never forgave Frank Sinatra for saying ( in 1956); "rock 'n'roll is only performed by and listened to, by 'cretinous morons'. It is garbage!".
So I never liked him..thought he was a "mediocre" singer, and a nasty person and I though Bing Crosby and Dean Martin were MUCH better singers!
Na na na na na!! :evil:


Anne :wink:


Cool. I had no idea I was a cretinous moron that listens to garbage. :lol: Never was much of a fan of Sinatra either.


Totally off-topic here :lol: .......never been much of a fan of Sean Connery either, but when I saw him in an interview with Barbara Walters saying it was perfectly acceptable to slap your wife.....totally lost respect for him and haven't watched a damn thing he's been in since, turned me right off. :roll:
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Postby annie89509 » Thu Jul 10, 2008 5:51 pm

Perryfaithful, thanks for this (downloaded and saved to read in full later). And, Nora, as always, enjoy your "cribbing". Got the jest of the article highlighting SP's genius vocal talents.

It is amazing, to me, for all the endless debates over which SP-era Journey albums we like the best (ROR/TBF are mine), it is still SP's singing on them, after all. True, the earlier albums may be more vocally proficient, technique-wise, but the songs(singing) on TBF moves me more.

And, for all the years I have been on Journey boards, I don't think I have seen any other J album get more lambasted than ROR (well, maybe, Generations, but that is justified - although SA sounded great on his songs). The fact of the matter is ROR is a great '80s rock/pop album full of great songs, great vocals, great music. Yes, SS was not there on all the songs; Ross was not there at all; but Neal played great and Jon was all over the songs. And, the vocals, well, those are SP's finest vocal performances, ever. IMO, of all the Journey songs ever recorded, WCTNGOF is absolutely the one song no one can ever come close to emulating.
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Postby Matthew » Thu Jul 10, 2008 11:22 pm

annie89509 wrote: IMO, of all the Journey songs ever recorded, WCTNGOF is absolutely the one song no one can ever come close to emulating.



I absolutely agree with you Annie. People make so many wild claims about this bloke and that bloke being as good as Perry or even nearly as good as Perry...but you know that if any of them tried to sing this song their shortcomings would become painfully obvious.

Happy To Give is another performance which sets the bar too high for anyone else. Deen can do a great Perry impersonation on Mother, Father but his version of HTG highlighted the gulf in quality between the two voices.

In general, I'd say that mid-80s Perry is the era that really shows up the pretenders...
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Postby tammy » Fri Jul 11, 2008 12:24 am

Is this an article or what? From Nora's 'cut & paste' post it reads like a fan wrote it on a forum?!
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Postby SusieP » Fri Jul 11, 2008 2:35 am

I printed it off and read it last night.
It was very detailed and rather interesting. Those guys sure went to a lot of trouble to tell us what we already knew!!!!!!!!!! :D
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Postby Don » Fri Jul 11, 2008 2:39 am

The article talks about Perry's voice and how he changed the style of singing over the years and how he dropped songs from tours to save his voice. It compares him against a lot of famous rock singers and provides vocal analogies ( of course John Farnham ws left out as he is the only one who can stand toe to toe with Perry) It's pretty much an essay on cheerleading but that is fine. What I found interesting and I would like some clarification is the subject performance royalties. The author says that Perry no longer gets these now that Journey has re-recorded the hits. I don't know if that makes sense. I understand transfer of copyright where the publisher buys out the songwriters share of royalties after a set period of time and maybe this is the 10 year period everyone talks about when they mention Steve still gets paid from the group. Performance royalties also include Radio, T.V. and othe public performances So if Steve is not going to get these anymore, maybe that is the reason he might want to release something in the near future to start a new revenue stream. I undestand he still gets paid for his solo stuff and he might be richer than God but we can't really confirm that of course. Does anyone have any opinions on the matter or can enlighten me on how Royalties really work?
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Postby Deb » Fri Jul 11, 2008 2:53 am

Matthew wrote:
annie89509 wrote: IMO, of all the Journey songs ever recorded, WCTNGOF is absolutely the one song no one can ever come close to emulating.



I absolutely agree with you Annie. People make so many wild claims about this bloke and that bloke being as good as Perry or even nearly as good as Perry...but you know that if any of them tried to sing this song their shortcomings would become painfully obvious.

Happy To Give is another performance which sets the bar too high for anyone else. Deen can do a great Perry impersonation on Mother, Father but his version of HTG highlighted the gulf in quality between the two voices.

In general, I'd say that mid-80s Perry is the era that really shows up the pretenders...


No doubt! Had to listen to that one again. Great stuff! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nR4vi0q19lc

Love his ROR vocals, he had a little more grit to them by then......or vibrato?, not sure what word I'm looking for.....I don't know any of the vocal technical terms. :? Just know what I like......and I loved the vocal tone on the ROR material and "delivery" like no other I've heard.
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Postby Enigma869 » Fri Jul 11, 2008 2:55 am

Gunbot wrote: Does anyone have any opinions on the matter or can enlighten me on how Royalties really work?


I will preface my comments by saying I am certainly no authority on how royalites work. I suspect they differ from contract to contract. That said, I did a rather large loan for a former member of the band Boston, and most of his income (we had to verify this income) was derived from royalty checks, that resulted from his years performing with Boston. Keep in mind that this particular gentleman hadn't been in Boston since 1983, and I did the loan for him in 2004. He was still making a pretty solid living, off of royalties. I know this probably doesn't enlighten you one iota. I would just be STUNNED if Perry receives ZERO royalites from Journey's back catalog.

Whether the guys calling themselves "Journey" today re-record the classics or not, it doesn't change the fact that Perry wrote or co-wrote almost every song they re-recorded. Common sense dictates that he must still receive something, somewhere. The guy is far from destitute, and as far as I can tell, has been retired for well over 10 years. so he definitely has money flowing in from somewhere!


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Postby Don » Fri Jul 11, 2008 3:04 am

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Gunbot wrote: Does anyone have any opinions on the matter or can enlighten me on how Royalties really work?


I will preface my comments by saying I am certainly no authority on how royalites work. I suspect they differ from contract to contract. That said, I did a rather large loan for a former member of the band Boston, and most of his income (we had to verify this income) was derived from royalty checks, that resulted from his years performing with Boston. Keep in mind that this particular gentleman hadn't been in Boston since 1983, and I did the loan for him in 2004. He was still making a pretty solid living, off of royalties. I know this probably doesn't enlighten you one iota. I would just be STUNNED if Perry receives ZERO royalites from Journey's back catalog.

Whether the guys calling themselves "Journey" today re-record the classics or not, it doesn't change the fact that Perry wrote or co-wrote almost every song they re-recorded. Common sense dictates that he must still receive something, somewhere. The guy is far from destitute, and as far as I can tell, has been retired for well over 10 years. so he definitely has money flowing in from somewhere!


John from Boston


Thanks for the info, I was curious about transferring copyright and wondered if he did that at the end of the supposed 10 year deal he had with the band. He would give up the songs but paid their worth from the publisher which I would guess at around 50 million for a complete separation. Unlike the author, I'm with you on the re-records. I can't see how that would alter anything about Perry's royalty deals.
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Postby TRAGChick » Fri Jul 11, 2008 8:10 am

tammy wrote:Is this an article or what? From Nora's 'cut & paste' post it reads like a fan wrote it on a forum?!


Sorry for the confusion.... :oops:

Everything in my 2 posts above are from the 21 page article.

I'll go fix it....
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Postby WykkedSensation » Fri Jul 11, 2008 8:51 am

tammy wrote:Is this an article or what? From Nora's 'cut & paste' post it reads like a fan wrote it on a forum?!



Written by the talented Ross Muir, who also wrote 'The Rise and Decline Of The Scarab' a couple of years back.
The band themselves are well aware of Ross Muir, believe me.
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Postby Michigan Girl » Fri Jul 11, 2008 9:23 am

Gunbot wrote:The article talks about Perry's voice and how he changed the style of singing over the years and how he dropped songs from tours to save his voice. It compares him against a lot of famous rock singers and provides vocal analogies ( of course John Farnham ws left out as he is the only one who can stand toe to toe with Perry) It's pretty much an essay on cheerleading but that is fine. What I found interesting and I would like some clarification is the subject performance royalties. The author says that Perry no longer gets these now that Journey has re-recorded the hits. I don't know if that makes sense. I understand transfer of copyright where the publisher buys out the songwriters share of royalties after a set period of time and maybe this is the 10 year period everyone talks about when they mention Steve still gets paid from the group. Performance royalties also include Radio, T.V. and othe public performances So if Steve is not going to get these anymore, maybe that is the reason he might want to release something in the near future to start a new revenue stream. I undestand he still gets paid for his solo stuff and he might be richer than God but we can't really confirm that of course. Does anyone have any opinions on the matter or can enlighten me on how Royalties really work?


No inf on how Royalties really work.....would just like to point out how you keep throwing this name around!!!! :wink:

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Postby Don » Fri Jul 11, 2008 9:26 am

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Gunbot wrote:The article talks about Perry's voice and how he changed the style of singing over the years and how he dropped songs from tours to save his voice. It compares him against a lot of famous rock singers and provides vocal analogies ( of course John Farnham ws left out as he is the only one who can stand toe to toe with Perry) It's pretty much an essay on cheerleading but that is fine. What I found interesting and I would like some clarification is the subject performance royalties. The author says that Perry no longer gets these now that Journey has re-recorded the hits. I don't know if that makes sense. I understand transfer of copyright where the publisher buys out the songwriters share of royalties after a set period of time and maybe this is the 10 year period everyone talks about when they mention Steve still gets paid from the group. Performance royalties also include Radio, T.V. and othe public performances So if Steve is not going to get these anymore, maybe that is the reason he might want to release something in the near future to start a new revenue stream. I undestand he still gets paid for his solo stuff and he might be richer than God but we can't really confirm that of course. Does anyone have any opinions on the matter or can enlighten me on how Royalties really work?


No inf on how Royalties really work.....would just like to point out how you keep throwing this name around!!!! :wink:

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Being the worldly person I am, I have to. Everyone in Europe and Australia now of him, just not many here in the U.S.
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Postby Michigan Girl » Fri Jul 11, 2008 9:41 am

Good job!!! I'm listening, love the voice!!!! :wink:
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Postby Vladan » Fri Jul 11, 2008 10:11 am

Michigan Girl wrote:
Gunbot wrote:The article talks about Perry's voice and how he changed the style of singing over the years and how he dropped songs from tours to save his voice. It compares him against a lot of famous rock singers and provides vocal analogies ( of course John Farnham ws left out as he is the only one who can stand toe to toe with Perry) It's pretty much an essay on cheerleading but that is fine. What I found interesting and I would like some clarification is the subject performance royalties. The author says that Perry no longer gets these now that Journey has re-recorded the hits. I don't know if that makes sense. I understand transfer of copyright where the publisher buys out the songwriters share of royalties after a set period of time and maybe this is the 10 year period everyone talks about when they mention Steve still gets paid from the group. Performance royalties also include Radio, T.V. and othe public performances So if Steve is not going to get these anymore, maybe that is the reason he might want to release something in the near future to start a new revenue stream. I undestand he still gets paid for his solo stuff and he might be richer than God but we can't really confirm that of course. Does anyone have any opinions on the matter or can enlighten me on how Royalties really work?


No inf on how Royalties really work.....would just like to point out how you keep throwing this name around!!!! :wink:

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


John Farnham could stand toe to toe with Perry in his prime, both singers were so similuar is power and range, it's pretty crazy. They are both in their own league, and there isn't a professional or famous musician who disagrees. Just ask the likes of Richard Marx and other famous vocalists, and what they have to says about John. In my opinion John Farmham is the best singer of all them, because of his long career, and he hasn't lost his voice either, still strong as ever it seems.
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