Neal Talks Augeri and Soto in classic rock!!

[Tito]

Well if Neal's talking, then so can JSS. There can't be a one way gag on this thing. Can we have Testify-part deux, Andrew? On second thought, never mind, you would need to be a doctor to handle all the loons that would be spewing up everywhere.

If there were no gag order, I would love nothing more, especially recently, to open up. I have no resentment or bitterness anymore but if anyone's gonna sugar coat things to make them appear picture perfect, I don't want to be the one shown in the wrong light. I pride myself in being the best person I can to everyone around me, always, even when the grey clouds are cast. But that's a good one, this new 'revelation' about me, great read!

From JSS interview with Andrew: "So with that I decided to just remove myself from that whole side of things altogether and not really be a part of even my own threads and message boards and what people are saying and posts and stuff.
It was time for me to just kind of lay low and just get back to work and not really care or think about what people thinking and talking about."

Obviously that's out the window.

[Tito]

Perhaps around here, but not in the real music world. The 20 person concerts are proof of that, Rick. No interest...none.

Not even around here. http://forums.melodicrock.com/phpBB/vie ... t=#4131391

[JSS]

While you may not have any intentions of poopooing the chart success, you're still peepeeing in SJ's cherrios, because he only chooses his music based on chart sales and chart sales only. Heck he doesnt even go to the show for the stage presence and or live performance.

I'm not going to apologize because the artists I listen to can move units. It means their talents are liked and appreciated, and is a great part of why all artists do what they do. To sell records. Sorry that the dudes you listen to have small followings, but that's not my problem. As for the stage presence and live performance comments, I do go there for the live show, but I don't need a guy that dresses like he's in an LA street gang rubbing his hair every 5 seconds, showering the stage with sweat tosses and doing the same pre-scripted contrived moves over and over to have a good time at a Journey concert. It's just a mask for the fact that he's a very average professional singer and can't sell albums because he generates basically zero interest in the U.S. Dude, no one is interested in the guy in the U.S...never have been and probably never will be. But you guys think he's better off. Now that's funny as hell. Rock fans can generally recognize talent and they've simply passed on Soto. Acknowledge that and accept it. It's true.

For your info, I was 'dressed' by the consultant brought in by the band, all my clothes were chosen for me. Sweat glands are not something I can control so you got me on that one, never had a US manager/producer or anyone that is usually hired to guide an artist to success so there goes your 'no interest' theory (if William Hung or Billy Bob Thorton can have music careers/interest, its because they have someone working for them....means ANYONE can generate interest, has NOTHING to do with talent), rubbing my hair every 5 seconds is good, helps invigorate the follicles so it continues to grow, & most average professional singers don't have a fraction of the background I do....you're alone again dude, seems only you can take a post that is about how someone is masking the truth again & turn it into a personal attack on me. Come to one of my shows in Europe & meet some rock fans who have passed on me...small audiences in the US are because I hadn't done anything there of real stature in....ever! I never had a Herbie Herbert or even a mango sherbert to push my career there....stay tuned for more on your theory in the next year, more like watch & listen.

[JSS]

Well if Neal's talking, then so can JSS. There can't be a one way gag on this thing. Can we have Testify-part deux, Andrew? On second thought, never mind, you would need to be a doctor to handle all the loons that would be spewing up everywhere.

If there were no gag order, I would love nothing more, especially recently, to open up. I have no resentment or bitterness anymore but if anyone's gonna sugar coat things to make them appear picture perfect, I don't want to be the one shown in the wrong light. I pride myself in being the best person I can to everyone around me, always, even when the grey clouds are cast. But that's a good one, this new 'revelation' about me, great read!

From JSS interview with Andrew: "So with that I decided to just remove myself from that whole side of things altogether and not really be a part of even my own threads and message boards and what people are saying and posts and stuff.
It was time for me to just kind of lay low and just get back to work and not really care or think about what people thinking and talking about."

Obviously that's out the window.

Yep, that was then...out of respect....no respect gained....I'm back, get used to it!

[Saint John]

Oh puhlease, are you going to call it "talent" as to why Paris Hilton or Lindsay Lohan sold units?

We're talking about rock so your comparison is invalid.

There are many reasons for fame. You're musical tastes seem to lie in what's popular. But hey, to each his own.

You have no idea who I listen to. I just tend not to tout smaller acts like they're The Beatles.

And I thought we were talking about Journey here, how did your post "once again" become about JSS' stage presence?

Behshad brought it up and I responded accordingly.

Linda, please cuff Dan upside the head for me next week, will ya!

Fu Fu can hit me and I'd like it!!!

[strangegrey]

I'm not going to apologize because the artists I listen to can move units. It means their talents are liked and appreciated, and is a great part of why all artists do what they do. To sell records...

WHile I'm going to try to remain diplomatic enough to not touch the 2nd half of your post, I will say that I generally agree with you. The proof is in the pudding with respect to album sales. People like to use pop artists like Brittany and Madonna as examples of the lowest common denominator and reasons to argue against album sales.....But this isnt statistics. Proving an alternate hypothesis, doesn't mean that the original one isn't at all valid.

Sure there are people out there that buy alot of shit committed to CD and DVD. There's fucking gallons of CDs out there of bad shit like Lindsay Lohan and Brittany Spears and Christina Aguleira. However, one can also point to record sales for GOOD music and generally cite a reason for why it sold....and it's not the same reasons why Spears and Lohan sell.

The highest selling non-compilation Journey record is Escape. There's a reason for that...it's also the best non-compilation Journey record. While I don't entirely agree with sales = worth all the time...90% of the time, sales does in fact equal worth....

For the record, the title is "Revelation"...how do you get "revs" out of that?

Ahh, that's just what I've been calling it. Does it really matter? LOL

[JSS]

This is what I'm not getting:

'After we asked him to leave it got nasty and he decided to sue us'

The last I recall, as posted by JSS himself, Jeff was never asked or told to leave, or told anything by the band at all before it happened. Either I missed something, which I know is highly possible, or this is more of Neal's increasingly amusing perception of the world around him.

BINGO!

WRONGO!

That's right, you were sitting right there when it all came down....damn, I should have remembered you were the only witness to it all, how foolish of me to lie about it all now.

[strangegrey]

You know, this is off track a tad...but I gotta also add in.

If I recall, wasn't Journey with JSS, actually kicking up a bit of a storm? I seem to remember there being major label interest, concert attendance was up, when he was announced 18 months ago, there was some significant fucking excitement on the part of the band, etc, etc. Now we dont have an album with Jeff to actually measure success with Arnel vs Success with Jeff, as per Album sales.

But there's nothing....absolutely nothing, that suggests that they couldn't chart equally well with Jeff....we'll never know.

[Deb]

There are many reasons for fame. You're musical tastes seem to lie in what's popular. But hey, to each his own.

You have no idea who I listen to. I just tend not to tout smaller acts like they're The Beatles.

We've posted on a few boards back and forth about our music tastes so ya, I do have an idea.

And I thought we were talking about Journey here, how did your post "once again" become about JSS' stage presence?

Behshad brought it up and I responded accordingly.

Funny, I didn't see B mention JSS in his post at all?

[Luvsaugeri]

Yep, that was then...out of respect....no respect gained....I'm back, get used to it!

Glad to hear it!!!

[Behshad]

Well if Neal's talking, then so can JSS. There can't be a one way gag on this thing. Can we have Testify-part deux, Andrew? On second thought, never mind, you would need to be a doctor to handle all the loons that would be spewing up everywhere.

If there were no gag order, I would love nothing more, especially recently, to open up. I have no resentment or bitterness anymore but if anyone's gonna sugar coat things to make them appear picture perfect, I don't want to be the one shown in the wrong light. I pride myself in being the best person I can to everyone around me, always, even when the grey clouds are cast. But that's a good one, this new 'revelation' about me, great read!

From JSS interview with Andrew: "So with that I decided to just remove myself from that whole side of things altogether and not really be a part of even my own threads and message boards and what people are saying and posts and stuff.
It was time for me to just kind of lay low and just get back to work and not really care or think about what people thinking and talking about."

Obviously that's out the window.

Yep, that was then...out of respect....no respect gained....I'm back, get used to it!

hell fucking yeah

Tito is a no-life loser, who just wants to cause shit around here. This is the same guy who was at SouthBend checkin JSS out,,, unless Journey was the warm up band around noon,,,,,,,
Also,, anytime anyone tries to defend JSS or says something about the shitty way JSS was treated last year, Tito denies all that we say , cause of course none of us has proof....... even when Jeff himself posts here to tell us what happened, MightyTito has to say no to it, because Tito's sources are more reliable. One and for all , Tito, do us a favor and keep your funky ass out of threads with Jeff's name in them.
Also,,,,funny how your mouth shut yesterday when his boyfriend wasnt home, but now he makes dunbass comments , cause his man got his back ,,,,, Tito,,, like I said before, just STFU before you get Andrew on your case,,, again

[Saint John]

For your info, I was 'dressed' by the consultant brought in by the band, all my clothes were chosen for me.

Then I apologize...you got royally fucked on that deal, dude. That guy should be fired.

most average professional singers don't have a fraction of the background I do

I respectfully disagree. I know you've had a long career and that's a testament to the way you take care of yourself. Kudos to you. However, I don't see any real shining moments, but rather a pretty average career with the bigger moments being the "cover" gigs (Queen, Journey and the Boogie Nights thing).

you're alone again dude, seems only you can take a post that is about how someone is masking the truth again & turn it into a personal attack on me.

Personal attack??? It's my opinion, dude. Sorry if my honest opinion is hard for you to read. I have never called you one name...ever. Yet you have chosen names like "fuckwit" and others for me. No worries, though. I can take it.

Come to one of my shows in Europe & meet some rock fans who have passed on me

Any plans to play Greece in August of next year? I'll be there if so.

...small audiences in the US are because I hadn't done anything there of real stature in....ever! I never had a Herbie Herbert or even a mango sherbert to push my career there....stay tuned for more on your theory in the next year, more like watch & listen.

May I ask why you never hired someone like Herbie? Seems to me that the return on investment is well worth it.

[Shadowsong]

Well if Neal's talking, then so can JSS. There can't be a one way gag on this thing. Can we have Testify-part deux, Andrew? On second thought, never mind, you would need to be a doctor to handle all the loons that would be spewing up everywhere.

If there were no gag order, I would love nothing more, especially recently, to open up. I have no resentment or bitterness anymore but if anyone's gonna sugar coat things to make them appear picture perfect, I don't want to be the one shown in the wrong light. I pride myself in being the best person I can to everyone around me, always, even when the grey clouds are cast. But that's a good one, this new 'revelation' about me, great read!

From JSS interview with Andrew: "So with that I decided to just remove myself from that whole side of things altogether and not really be a part of even my own threads and message boards and what people are saying and posts and stuff.
It was time for me to just kind of lay low and just get back to work and not really care or think about what people thinking and talking about."

Obviously that's out the window.

Yep, that was then...out of respect....no respect gained....I'm back, get used to it!

Welcome Back
Remember who you are & what you want.
Live life to the fullest & be the best you can be.

That's a recipe for all of us to live by!

Note: Fool not included

[Saint John]

Also,,,,funny how your mouth shut yesterday when his boyfriend wasnt home

That's a great fucking way to get a fucking fist in your mouth, asshole.

[Tito]

Tito is a no-life loser, who just wants to cause shit around here. This is the same guy who was at SouthBend checkin JSS out,,, unless Journey was the warm up band around noon,,,,,,,
Also,, anytime anyone tries to defend JSS or says something about the shitty way JSS was treated last year, Tito denies all that we say , cause of course none of us has proof....... even when Jeff himself posts here to tell us what happened, MightyTito has to say no to it, because Tito's sources are more reliable. One and for all , Tito, do us a favor and keep your funky ass out of threads with Jeff's name in them.
Also,,,,funny how your mouth shut yesterday when his boyfriend wasnt home, but now he makes dunbass comments , cause his man got his back ,,,,, Tito,,, like I said before, just STFU before you get Andrew on your case,,, again

I rarely post on the weekends. I've done nothing or said nothing wrong so I don't have to worry about Andrew.

I thought Jeff had a gag order, so how do we know what happened? I do not have sources or claim to have sources. I've basically said who cares what and how it happened and we've only heard (allegedly) one side of the story (JSS's).

[Behshad]

Also,,,,funny how your mouth shut yesterday when his boyfriend wasnt home

That's a great fucking way to get a fucking fist in your mouth, asshole.

no one mentioned your name. But you just had to guess it was you , didntcha!?
Keep the fist for Tito....

[kgdjpubs]

You know, this is off track a tad...but I gotta also add in.

But there's nothing....absolutely nothing, that suggests that they couldn't chart equally well with Jeff....we'll never know.

I have a feeling that 90% of the success is the Walmart deal, and would have been so with Augeri, JSS, Jeremey, Arnel, Chalfant, etc. on vocals. Does the "importing a singer who lives halfway around the world via Youtube" story have something to do with the sales? Maybe. It certainly increases the band's presence in the Asian market, which nobody else would have done. Do the sales numbers have something to do with the fact that a lot of people seem to be impressed by Arnel's talent? At least in a live setting, though how that translates to record sales is unknown. Does it have something to do with Arnel's ability to cover Perry just about as well as anyone out there without the initials SP? Very possibly. Going under the assumption that the re-recorded hits and dvd would have been there regardless, it's highly likely that a JSS version would have inspired even more debate, just because of the difference in his voice. Hitting the notes is irrevalent. That works well for a concert setting with a bunch of audience members where people go "yep, still sounds like Journey". That dvd/studio re-records disc IS going to sound different if you put a different type of voice on it, and it doesn't matter that they are hitting the same notes. You have to believe that Walmart playing that dvd is making your average person say "wow, that still sounds like Journey, and that new guy sounds like Perry". How much different would a dvd sell with JSS up there is anyone's guess. It would, and did, sound a bit different. Would it affect sales? who knows.

Without a surpreme amount of conjecture and a crystal ball handy however, there is no way to tell how much success Revelation would have with someone else singing. I'd still say 90% is based on the Walmart deal, and the new material.

[JSS]

For your info, I was 'dressed' by the consultant brought in by the band, all my clothes were chosen for me.

Then I apologize...you got royally fucked on that deal, dude. That guy should be fired.

You mean girl....long time fashion consultant of the band, brought us all the clothes you see in the photo session of the official 'band' photo in '06.

[/list]

most average professional singers don't have a fraction of the background I do

I respectfully disagree. I know you've had a long career and that's a testament to the way you take care of yourself. Kudos to you. However, I don't see any real shining moments, but rather a pretty average career with the bigger moments being the "cover" gigs (Queen, Journey and the Boogie Nights thing).

Some of the Soul SirkUS, Yngwie & Talisman shows were quite the spectacle....of course we're talking Europe & Asia. Plenty on YouTube to show you what I mean...neither were cover gigs.

you're alone again dude, seems only you can take a post that is about how someone is masking the truth again & turn it into a personal attack on me.

Personal attack??? It's my opinion, dude. Sorry if my honest opinion is hard for you to read. I have never called you one name...ever. Yet you have chosen names like "fuckwit" and others for me. No worries, though. I can take it.

Ahh, fuckwit, that was last time, I refrain from name calling now...ok, I'll take back 'personal attack', that's a bit harsh, I meant 'personal opinion that disagrees with how you see fit to someone who fronts Journey', better?

Come to one of my shows in Europe & meet some rock fans who have passed on me

Any plans to play Greece in August of next year? I'll be there if so.

Probably doing Athens & Thessonaliki next year but can't say if it'll be August....Greece a really big market for me incidentally!

...small audiences in the US are because I hadn't done anything there of real stature in....ever! I never had a Herbie Herbert or even a mango sherbert to push my career there....stay tuned for more on your theory in the next year, more like watch & listen.

May I ask why you never hired someone like Herbie? Seems to me that the return on investment is well worth it.

Most of what I have been up to was focused overseas, gave up with the US scene in '90 when Grunge took over the music world.

[Saint John]

I think the bump in numbers is a direct result of people digging the new material live and the concert goers are starting to pick up the album. Translation...the tour in support of the album is working quite well. If it was "just because of the Wal Mart deal" REO would have had similar numbers. They didn't...not even close. The product is selling because it's good and there's renewed interest the likes of which haven't been seen since the 80's. TBF sold well, but there was interest only in the album because there was never a tour. People in HUGE numbers now want to see the band live again. They weren't afforded that luxury with TBF because there was no tour.

[Tito]

Tito is a no-life loser, who just wants to cause shit around here. This is the same guy who was at SouthBend checkin JSS out,

Also, I did NOT go to South Bend for Soto. I went to see Scrap Metal. Actually in all honesty, as the show was coming around, I didn't even want to go but I didn't want Saint John to have to eat another ticket as a few people already bailed out on him. Plus, you can ask of couple of others I was "blasting" Soto back then. Everytime someone said something about Soto I rolled my eyes. Did I say anything to you or others about what I thought of Soto specifically the dismisal - no, but that wasn't the place. It was supposed to be a good time.

As far as a no-life loser, I've been here only two months, you've been here two years. I only post or 99% of time during work hours to pass time. Evenings and weekends are rare. Also, I follow people that have accomplished something. Look who you follow. Who's the loser?

[wildone]

To funny people act like these guys cured cancer... or caused it...lmao......

[kgdjpubs]

I think the bump in numbers is a direct result of people digging the new material live and the concert goers are starting to pick up the album. Translation...the tour in support of the album is working quite well. If it was "just because of the Wal Mart deal" REO would have had similar numbers. They didn't...not even close. The product is selling because it's good and there's renewed interest the likes of which haven't been seen since the 80's. TBF sold well, but there was interest only in the album because there was never a tour. People in HUGE numbers now want to see the band live again. They weren't afforded that luxury with TBF because there was no tour.

"Walmart deal" is just a paraphrase for promotion. Walmart made the album noticed--as opposed to the reception for Arrival/Generations. Journey has a built in audience. The sales from the cd simply show how ineffective Sony was at reaching that audience. It also appears people are accepting Arnel as a singer also as a legit successor to Perry. That also helps. The unfortunate side effect is that the Augeri-era is being swept under the carpet like it never happened, but that is a smart thing to do from a marketing standpoing since it never sold many cds.

[wildone]

I think the bump in numbers is a direct result of people digging the new material live and the concert goers are starting to pick up the album. Translation...the tour in support of the album is working quite well. If it was "just because of the Wal Mart deal" REO would have had similar numbers. They didn't...not even close. The product is selling because it's good and there's renewed interest the likes of which haven't been seen since the 80's. TBF sold well, but there was interest only in the album because there was never a tour. People in HUGE numbers now want to see the band live again. They weren't afforded that luxury with TBF because there was no tour.

"Walmart deal" is just a paraphrase for promotion. Walmart made the album noticed--as opposed to the reception for Arrival/Generations. Journey has a built in audience. The sales from the cd simply show how ineffective Sony was at reaching that audience. It also appears people are accepting Arnel as a singer also as a legit successor to Perry. That also helps. The unfortunate side effect is that the Augeri-era is being swept under the carpet like it never happened, but that is a smart thing to do from a marketing standpoing since it never sold many cds.

Then they might want to think about putting out a new cd every year ..they might have to...

[Shadowsong]

Anyway the most important thing is

The Nightmare's Over!

Just be yourself
In the end
there's not much else that matters

While you may not have any intentions of poopooing the chart success, you're still peepeeing in SJ's cherrios, because he only chooses his music based on chart sales and chart sales only. Heck he doesnt even go to the show for the stage presence and or live performance.

I'm not going to apologize because the artists I listen to can move units. It means their talents are liked and appreciated, and is a great part of why all artists do what they do. To sell records. Sorry that the dudes you listen to have small followings, but that's not my problem. As for the stage presence and live performance comments, I do go there for the live show, but I don't need a guy that dresses like he's in an LA street gang rubbing his hair every 5 seconds, showering the stage with sweat tosses and doing the same pre-scripted contrived moves over and over to have a good time at a Journey concert. It's just a mask for the fact that he's a very average professional singer and can't sell albums because he generates basically zero interest in the U.S. Dude, no one is interested in the guy in the U.S...never have been and probably never will be. But you guys think he's better off. Now that's funny as hell. Rock fans can generally recognize talent and they've simply passed on Soto. Acknowledge that and accept it. It's true.

For your info, I was 'dressed' by the consultant brought in by the band, all my clothes were chosen for me. Sweat glands are not something I can control so you got me on that one, never had a US manager/producer or anyone that is usually hired to guide an artist to success so there goes your 'no interest' theory (if William Hung or Billy Bob Thorton can have music careers/interest, its because they have someone working for them....means ANYONE can generate interest, has NOTHING to do with talent), rubbing my hair every 5 seconds is good, helps invigorate the follicles so it continues to grow, & most average professional singers don't have a fraction of the background I do....you're alone again dude, seems only you can take a post that is about how someone is masking the truth again & turn it into a personal attack on me. Come to one of my shows in Europe & meet some rock fans who have passed on me...small audiences in the US are because I hadn't done anything there of real stature in....ever! I never had a Herbie Herbert or even a mango sherbert to push my career there....stay tuned for more on your theory in the next year, more like watch & listen.

[Tito]

To funny people act like these guys cured cancer... or caused it...lmao......

They (former and an almost member) are trying. Check out the Journey To The Cure thread.

[Tito]

May I ask why you never hired someone like Herbie? Seems to me that the return on investment is well worth it.

Agreed. They could offer some "SAGE" advice.

[Rhiannon]

Plus, you can ask of couple of others I was "blasting" Soto back then. Everytime someone said something about Soto I rolled my eyes.

This is true, for what time I've been around the man, he's always had the same opinion of Jeff (and anyone for that matter). I don't even think he stood up once during his set in SB.

[kgdjpubs]

"Walmart deal" is just a paraphrase for promotion. Walmart made the album noticed--as opposed to the reception for Arrival/Generations. Journey has a built in audience. The sales from the cd simply show how ineffective Sony was at reaching that audience. It also appears people are accepting Arnel as a singer also as a legit successor to Perry. That also helps. The unfortunate side effect is that the Augeri-era is being swept under the carpet like it never happened, but that is a smart thing to do from a marketing standpoing since it never sold many cds.

Then they might want to think about putting out a new cd every year ..they might have to...

Unless things have changed--which would involve a LOT more Walmart sales than as of yet--I'm still pretty sure they are making more money off touring than cds. That being said, if Revelation hits somewhere near the Platinum units sold (aka 2x Platinum), the increased Walmart royalty rates might make the cd rather profitable. This all translates as a rough road touring every year, but you get by rather well if you can stand the grind.

From a touring aspect, I think the Augeri-era was pretty decent. If it wasn't, they wouldn't still be around, so it had to be bringing in a fair amount of cash. Most people won't deal with the touring if they can make just as much sitting at home watching their royalty checks coming in.

[Behshad]

As far as a no-life loser, Also, I follow people that have accomplished something. Look who you follow. Who's the loser?

If you truly think that "following" a band/artist and their album sales changes and affects your personal loser status, then you're still stuck in your low teens dude. . Its almost as bad as "my dad can beat up your dad".... Sad,,,,Grow up once and for all

[Deb]

Plus, you can ask of couple of others I was "blasting" Soto back then. Everytime someone said something about Soto I rolled my eyes.

This is true, for what time I've been around the man, he's always had the same opinion of Jeff (and anyone for that matter). I don't even think he stood up once during his set in SB.

Ok, so why roll your eyes then? Does he do that with any artist that people post about that he doesn't like? Hell of a lot of eye rolling going on then. I guess I just don't understand why Tito and SJ have such an issue with other people liking said artist(s)?