Neal Talks Augeri and Soto in classic rock!!

[Saint John]

My issue is.....why do they feel the need to come in and try to minimize Jeff's talents every time something positive is posted about him? What are they getting out of doing that?

What do you (some people here in general...not specifically you, Deb) get out of making him into a superstar and using him in the same breath as Perry, Gramm, Mercury and others when he clearly hasn't earned the right to be in that company? I think we're much closer to the truth than those people and sometimes the truth hurts...but it's still the truth. There was never a problem here until people felt the need to make ridiculous comparisons that were actually unfair to Soto himself. If you played "word association" with music insiders and experts and said Perry, Gramm and Mercury I would bet my entire net worth that "Soto" would not be the next name mentioned...or the 50th for that matter.

[Behshad]

Tito and I, while not the biggest fans of Soto in Journey, did continue to support that particular incarnation so I'm not sure why people say that we "hate" Soto. I don't even know the fucking guy. It was still Journey, just like it is now, and I would have continued to go to the shows. He was a step down from the Augeri of 1998-2000, but a step up from the Augeri of 2001 on. And that was good enough for me to continue enjoying the shows.

You dont hate Soto ,Dan. You hate Soto's fans. You hate the fact that there are people here mentioning his name in the same breath as mentioning Perry or Mercurys name or Manilow for that matter ..... Why does it bother you so much when some people enjoy Jeff's music without having to worry about his exposure and units moved? Why cant you just ignore the fact that , yes we're blind/deaf and dont see the light, but maybe we rather enjoy the music we hear Jeff sing without having to worry about how many others buy his cd?

There are millions of people out there that would say singer X or Singer Y is better than Perry. Are you gonna start going all over the forums and message boards to set the record straight to everyone who doesnt agree with you ?


And for the last time, no one here is upset as far as WHY Journey made the move they did. It is and it will always be about THE WAY the handled it. So you bragging about double platinum has no plus or minus on the way the fired Jeff.

[Michigan Girl]

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I remember the first time I met Friga back in 01, he gave me this very fucking suspicious look (like I was there to fuck his sister and steal his momma's pocketbook)

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I remember the first time I met Friga back in 01, he gave me this very fucking suspicious look (like I was there to fuck his sister and steal his momma's pocketbook)....even after Neal told him that I did web work for the band. He's *not* the type of person to confide in a fan about why or how someone got booted. Just not going to happen.

Family Secrets. That's how the "family" works, they keep secrets and trust only their inner circle. They don't like leaks either. They'll "take care of them" if someone leaks too.

BTW, it's Cain! He lets you live.

Maybe someone should tell Neal...

[Don]

I'm curious what the difference would be between an Journey album fronted by Soto and a Soul Sirkus album. Is Cain the missing ingredient? Has he now become the most integral part of the Journey sound?

[Deb]

My issue is.....why do they feel the need to come in and try to minimize Jeff's talents every time something positive is posted about him? What are they getting out of doing that?

What do you (some people here in general...not specifically you, Deb) get out of making him into a superstar and using him in the same breath as Perry, Gramm, Mercury and others when he clearly hasn't earned the right to be in that company? I think we're much closer to the truth than those people and sometimes the truth hurts...but it's still the truth. There was never a problem here until people felt the need to make ridiculous comparisons that were actually unfair to Soto himself. If you played "word association" with music insiders and experts and said Perry, Gramm and Mercury I would bet my entire net worth that "Soto" would not be the next name mentioned...or the 50th for that matter.

Ya but Dan, who are you to tell me I can't breath the words Soto or Martin in the same breath as Perry? If I enjoy their voices as much, what is it to you? Seriously Dan, you can keep your "truth" and your "stats", I choose my music by my ears, not by reading the charts or what's popular.

[Tito]

Tito and I, while not the biggest fans of Soto in Journey, did continue to support that particular incarnation so I'm not sure why people say that we "hate" Soto. I don't even know the fucking guy. It was still Journey, just like it is now, and I would have continued to go to the shows. He was a step down from the Augeri of 1998-2000, but a step up from the Augeri of 2001 on. And that was good enough for me to continue enjoying the shows.

Speak for yourself . Like I told others before I started posting, the first time I saw Journey with Soto (July '06) I thought it was good because it was different from the past 7 or 8 years. I thought they were on par or even better than Leppard that night. The second time I saw them (Oct. '06) with Soto, it was NOT the same. Unlike the first time which was different so it was cool, this night it became clear this was not going to work and last. It was not bad per se but it wasn't Journey. That night's decision was unanimously in favor of DL and I'm not that big of fan of theirs.

Depending on how good the Soto fronted Journey CD would've been, would've determined if I would've continued to go to the shows. In fairness same thing with Arnel. I would've tried it once regardless of the CD, but going forward the quality of new music and shows would've determined if I would've kept coming back.

[Saint John]

You dont hate Soto ,Dan. You hate Soto's fans.

Incorrect...not all of them make ridiculous comparisons and claims.

You hate the fact that there are people here mentioning his name in the same breath as mentioning Perry or Mercurys name or Manilow for that matter ..... Why does it bother you so much when some people enjoy Jeff's music without having to worry about his exposure and units moved? Why cant you just ignore the fact that , yes we're blind/deaf and dont see the light, but maybe we rather enjoy the music we hear Jeff sing without having to worry about how many others buy his cd?

Listen away, dude!!! I just point out sales figures because it's a telling number as far as interest and popularity goes. People just don't seem particularly moved by his music and the numbers reflect that, both in concert and album sales. This is true, at the very least, in the U.S.

There are millions of people out there that would say singer X or Singer Y is better than Perry. Are you gonna start going all over the forums and message boards to set the record straight to everyone who doesnt agree with you ?

Nope. That is totally something you would do, though!!! Kind of like the PMs to everyone to vote for Soto or any of the other laughable antics people have laughed at you behind your back about via PMs to me.

And for the last time, no one here is upset as far as WHY Journey made the move they did. It is and it will always be about THE WAY the handled it. So you bragging about double platinum has no plus or minus on the way the fired Jeff.

And it's laughable that you care so much about a guy that claimed to really not even know you other than a few one minute encounters over a 20 year period. You guys act like Journey stabbed your sister or something. Admit it, you're a fawning, enamored fan that basically is like a star struck little puppy because you think you know the guy.

[Behshad]

1st of.,,,,,Learn how to quote ..your post looks as fucked up as your reasoning is.


Also... you keep bringing up the same shit about the record sales. I clearly stated above that , we as Soto fans, are totally lost and dont have a clue what is good and not,, on a chart,,,,, but why does it bother YOU so much??

I am not bragging about anything more than the fact that I am and have been a proud JSS fan since 1989. I attented my 1st show when I was 17 and I have been a true fan since then. If its laughable to you , then laugh away. You think its laughable that I care about Jeffs music ,but he barely knows me, then I guess you have all reasons to cheer for Neal and Frigga as they call you on a daily basis and thank you for all your hard work and support..... I dont have to prove nothing to you about Jeff's friendship to me or any of his fans.
Jeff consider his fans his friends too,, and thats no new to people here. So , now youre the spokesman for Jeff , telling the rest of us, what he claims in regards to his long time fans? Now that is not only laughable, but shows your true obsession with Jeff and his fans.

[Perrydise]

Tito and I, while not the biggest fans of Soto in Journey, did continue to support that particular incarnation so I'm not sure why people say that we "hate" Soto. I don't even know the fucking guy. It was still Journey, just like it is now, and I would have continued to go to the shows. He was a step down from the Augeri of 1998-2000, but a step up from the Augeri of 2001 on. And that was good enough for me to continue enjoying the shows.

Interesting

[Tito]

Maybe someone should tell Neal...

Schon is Italian too. He is part of "the family" too. Maybe a different "family" but the two work with each other.

Also, most people in the family have nicknames. Remember Jon "Magic Fingers" Cain. Steve "Machine Gun" Smith. Rumor has it, Cain's is now just shortened to "Fingers." BTW, "Fingers" is not because of the piano playing either. Rumor has it once, someone pissed him off and he smashed their fingers in the piano. Slammed the top down right on them. Ouch. And that was only a warning. Why do you think their song was chosen for the Sopranos finale? Think about it.

[Tito]

I'm curious what the difference would be between an Journey album fronted by Soto and a Soul Sirkus album. Is Cain the missing ingredient? Has he now become the most integral part of the Journey sound?

MVP! MVP! MVP! MVP! MVP! MVP! MVP! MVP! MVP! MVP! MVP! MVP!

[Behshad]

Ya but Dan, I choose my music by my ears, not by reading the charts or what's popular.

How is that possible?? you mean you can actually find something worth your while, while you know its not on top 30 of contemporary or jazz top 50?

[Tito]

And for the last time, no one here is upset as far as WHY Journey made the move they did. It is and it will always be about THE WAY the handled it. So you bragging about double platinum has no plus or minus on the way the fired Jeff.

They handled it the way they did because of LAWSUITS! Even if the suit was not filed at the time, they probably knew there was a chance of a lawsuit (a correct assumption in hindsight) so they stay quiet. You don't talk or go into detail with someone who is going to sue you. That applies to Journey or any business or any part of life. That's why they did it the way they did it. You guys blew your stack for no reason.

[Saint John]

1st of.,,,,,Learn how to quote ..your post looks as fucked up as your reasoning is.

This coming from the guy that uses commas in a grossly inaccurate manner.

So , now youre the spokesman for Jeff , telling the rest of us, what he claims in regards to his long time fans? Now that is not only laughable, but shows your true obsession with Jeff and his fans.

That's what he said about you right here in public. I was paraphrasing and my example was only specific to you.

[conversationpc]

1st of.,,,,,Learn how to quote ..your post looks as fucked up as your reasoning is.

This coming from the guy that uses commas in a grossly inaccurate manner.

[Saint John]

Tito and I, while not the biggest fans of Soto in Journey, did continue to support that particular incarnation so I'm not sure why people say that we "hate" Soto. I don't even know the fucking guy. It was still Journey, just like it is now, and I would have continued to go to the shows. He was a step down from the Augeri of 1998-2000, but a step up from the Augeri of 2001 on. And that was good enough for me to continue enjoying the shows.

Interesting

Nice try. People here, many in fact, have met both of us. I've known "Tito" for over 15 years so I think I can detrmine some of, but not all, his opinions. You're chasing your tail.

[Behshad]

1st of.,,,,,Learn how to quote ..your post looks as fucked up as your reasoning is.

This coming from the guy that uses commas in a grossly inaccurate manner.

So , now youre the spokesman for Jeff , telling the rest of us, what he claims in regards to his long time fans? Now that is not only laughable, but shows your true obsession with Jeff and his fans.

That's what he said about you right here in public. I was paraphrasing and my example was only specific to you.

I use the commas as my typin style,,,, I wasnt correcting your grammar dude,, I was just telling you, if you gonna post on a forum, learn how to use the quote function,,,, it just makes it easier to read who said what.....

Well lets see,,, if thats what HE said here, find that quote and post it here please. I bet you , you wont find any statement like that .

[NealIsGod]

This thread is a tornado of hair and teeth. Keep it up!

[strangegrey]

And for the last time, no one here is upset as far as WHY Journey made the move they did. It is and it will always be about THE WAY the handled it. So you bragging about double platinum has no plus or minus on the way the fired Jeff.

They handled it the way they did because of LAWSUITS! Even if the suit was not filed at the time, they probably knew there was a chance of a lawsuit (a correct assumption in hindsight) so they stay quiet. You don't talk or go into detail with someone who is going to sue you. That applies to Journey or any business or any part of life. That's why they did it the way they did it. You guys blew your stack for no reason.

Woah, let's not allow the bullshit to froth over the edge of the pot here....you're implying that Neal's claim of JSS suing Journey actually happened....let's not give any validity to such a rediculous concept until it can be verified by someone other than Neal "not known for his veracity" Schon. Until then, it's nothing but Neal backpedalling and engaging in territorial pissings, nothing more nothing less.

[Tito]

This thread is a tornado of hair and teeth. Keep it up!

Andrew is going to be pissed when he wakes up!

I just hope he reads this with a clear mind and doesn't take it out on SJ and myself unfairly.

[ProgRocker53]

Hey Jeff, I'll help manage and promote you in the USA. Heck I'll even do it for free. All I ask in return is to crash on the tour bus, and to be a special guest bass player on a song of my choice every night.

I guarantee near-instant results if you accept my offer!

[Behshad]

And for the last time, no one here is upset as far as WHY Journey made the move they did. It is and it will always be about THE WAY the handled it. So you bragging about double platinum has no plus or minus on the way the fired Jeff.

They handled it the way they did because of LAWSUITS! Even if the suit was not filed at the time, they probably knew there was a chance of a lawsuit (a correct assumption in hindsight) so they stay quiet. You don't talk or go into detail with someone who is going to sue you. That applies to Journey or any business or any part of life. That's why they did it the way they did it. You guys blew your stack for no reason.

Woah, let's not allow the bullshit to froth over the edge of the pot here....you're implying that Neal's claim of JSS suing Journey actually happened....let's not give any validity to such a rediculous concept until it can be verified by someone other than Neal "not known for his veracity" Schon. Until then, it's nothing but Neal backpedalling and engaging in territorial pissings, nothing more nothing less.

Easy there Frank...... Tito knows a alot more than we do,,, so how dare you question him when he was there and signed the paperwork before they were delivered to Soto

[Enigma869]

What do you (some people here in general...not specifically you, Deb) get out of making him into a superstar and using him in the same breath as Perry, Gramm, Mercury and others when he clearly hasn't earned the right to be in that company?

You're dead on here, SJ! That said, I'm not sure Jeff would lump himself in with Perry, Mercury, and Gramm, vocally. For what it's worth, I like Jeff, personally. I never thought he was the right fit for Journey, but he's a tough guy not to like. Hell, I never heard of the guy before the Journey gig. Because I think the guy has such a good attitude about life, I purchased some of his solo material!

There was never a problem here until people felt the need to make ridiculous comparisons that were actually unfair to Soto himself.

I agree with this as well. The problem has never been Jeff. It's sort of like Augeri's nauseating fans. Augeri was always a good dude, but his fans made me want to hurl! They were all sooooooo out of touch with reality that they made Augeri look bad. Sometimes you just have to separate the man from his fans. Let us not lose sight of the fact that fan is short for "fanatic"! Obviously, it's a most apropos word, to describe the behavior of some of Augeri's and Soto's followers. It doesn't make any of them bad people...It just means that they're blinded by the light!

If you played "word association" with music insiders and experts and said Perry, Gramm and Mercury I would bet my entire net worth that "Soto" would not be the next name mentioned...or the 50th for that matter.

I agree, but I don't know that many of Soto's fans would mention his name next, either (at least not with a straight face)


John from Boston

[Rick]

And for the last time, no one here is upset as far as WHY Journey made the move they did. It is and it will always be about THE WAY the handled it. So you bragging about double platinum has no plus or minus on the way the fired Jeff.

They handled it the way they did because of LAWSUITS! Even if the suit was not filed at the time, they probably knew there was a chance of a lawsuit (a correct assumption in hindsight) so they stay quiet. You don't talk or go into detail with someone who is going to sue you. That applies to Journey or any business or any part of life. That's why they did it the way they did it. You guys blew your stack for no reason.

Excellent business policy. Fuck the guy until he sues you, but don't tell him why you're fucking him. Oh, and do all that after he saves your ass. Nice practices there, for sure. Something to be really proud of.

[Michigan Girl]

Maybe someone should tell Neal...

Schon is Italian too. He is part of "the family" too. Maybe a different "family" but the two work with each other.

Also, most people in the family have nicknames. Remember Jon "Magic Fingers" Cain. Steve "Machine Gun" Smith. Rumor has it, Cain's is now just shortened to "Fingers." BTW, "Fingers" is not because of the piano playing either. Rumor has it once, someone pissed him off and he smashed their fingers in the piano. Slammed the top down right on them. Ouch. And that was only a warning. Why do you think their song was chosen for the Sopranos finale? Think about it.

I'm thinking......I wish you were going to be in Dallas this week~I'm bringing my golfclubs!!!!

[Tito]

What do you (some people here in general...not specifically you, Deb) get out of making him into a superstar and using him in the same breath as Perry, Gramm, Mercury and others when he clearly hasn't earned the right to be in that company?

You're dead on here, SJ! That said, I'm not sure Jeff would lump himself in with Perry, Mercury, and Gramm, vocally. For what it's worth, I like Jeff, personally. I never thought he was the right fit for Journey, but he's a tough guy not to like. Hell, I never heard of the guy before the Journey gig. Because I think the guy has such a good attitude about life, I purchased some of his solo material!

There was never a problem here until people felt the need to make ridiculous comparisons that were actually unfair to Soto himself.

I agree with this as well. The problem has never been Jeff. It's sort of like Augeri's nauseating fans. Augeri was always a good dude, but his fans made me want to hurl! They were all sooooooo out of touch with reality that they made Augeri look bad. Sometimes you just have to separate the man from his fans. Let us not lose sight of the fact that fan is short for "fanatic"! Obviously, it's a most apropos word, to describe the behavior of some of Augeri's and Soto's followers. It doesn't make any of them bad people...It just means that they're blinded by the light!

If you played "word association" with music insiders and experts and said Perry, Gramm and Mercury I would bet my entire net worth that "Soto" would not be the next name mentioned...or the 50th for that matter.

I agree, but I don't know that many of Soto's fans would mention his name next, either (at least not with a straight face)


John from Boston

Perfect.

[Michigan Girl]

And for the last time, no one here is upset as far as WHY Journey made the move they did. It is and it will always be about THE WAY the handled it. So you bragging about double platinum has no plus or minus on the way the fired Jeff.

They handled it the way they did because of LAWSUITS! Even if the suit was not filed at the time, they probably knew there was a chance of a lawsuit (a correct assumption in hindsight) so they stay quiet. You don't talk or go into detail with someone who is going to sue you. That applies to Journey or any business or any part of life. That's why they did it the way they did it. You guys blew your stack for no reason.

Excellent business policy. Fuck the guy until he sues you, but don't tell him why you're fucking him. Oh, and do all that after he saves your ass. Nice practices there, for sure. Something to be really proud of.

If they were EXPECTING a lawsuit....something was amiss????

[SusieP]

The only decision I have ever had a problem with as far as Journey goes was Tapegate. I THINK THEY HAVE HANDLED EVERYTHING ELSE WONDERFULLY. Selling out the first 9 shows, and I'm certain that more will follow, seems to indicate that they hired the right guy. A Double Platinum album is going to be pretty fucking cool as well.

I can't believe nobody has picked up on this sentence!
When JSS was fired, the word that he had been fired was posted up on the net by various musicians who had been told - but it was before JSS knew. Links to their blogs etc were posted up for us to see.
The band photo featuring JSS was altered as we looked at the Journey site. His image was erased bit by bit. We saw it happen.
We all read this info and we all saw the photo. That wasn't gossip from board members pretending to be 'in the know' it was from people in the biz who knew and worked with JSS, Journey and their Management posting up what had happened while JSS was in Europe.

We knew before JSS did. I call that sneaky.

If you think that is handling things wonderfully then...............I give up.

It does not matter if JSS sells a million units week. Or none.
How many units did Arnel sell before he got the job?
It is about courtesy, and respect for another person's feelings. None were given.
And the main culprit for mentioning JSS's name in the same sentence as Mercury, Perry etc is you!
But why that is even a problem, again.............I give up.

[Tito]

Easy there Frank...... Tito knows a alot more than we do,,, so how dare you question him when he was there and signed the paperwork before they were delivered to Soto

Apparently I've got the same sources you do - the ones who said he was backstabbed. I never claimed to be on the inside, all I was commenting on was common sense legal matters.

[Tito]

If they were EXPECTING a lawsuit....something was amiss????

Very possible. Or maybe just a precaution. I wasn't there so I don't know.