Neal Talks Augeri and Soto in classic rock!!

by **Rhiannon** » Tue Jul 22, 2008 5:46 am

Enigma869 wrote:blinded by the light!

Wrapped up like a douche?? Err... deuce.

by **SusieP** » Tue Jul 22, 2008 5:47 am

Tito wrote:
Behshad wrote:And for the last time, no one here is upset as far as WHY Journey made the move they did. It is and it will always be about THE WAY the handled it. So you bragging about double platinum has no plus or minus on the way the fired Jeff.

They handled it the way they did because of LAWSUITS! Even if the suit was not filed at the time, they probably knew there was a chance of a lawsuit (a correct assumption in hindsight) so they stay quiet. You don't talk or go into detail with someone who is going to sue you. That applies to Journey or any business or any part of life. That's why they did it the way they did it. You guys blew your stack for no reason.

There wouldn't need to BE a lawsuit if a permanent job announcement hadn't been made and reneged upon.

If someone's 'personality doesn't fit' or if their 'voice doesn't have the legacy sound' then don't offer them a permanent job.

by **Don** » Tue Jul 22, 2008 5:49 am

NealIsGod wrote:This thread is a tornado of hair and teeth. Keep it up!

by **Deb** » Tue Jul 22, 2008 5:53 am

Gunbot wrote:
NealIsGod wrote:This thread is a tornado of hair and teeth. Keep it up!

by **Red13JoePa** » Tue Jul 22, 2008 5:58 am

SusieP wrote:There wouldn't need to BE a lawsuit if a permanent job announcement hadn't been made and reneged upon.

If someone's 'personality doesn't fit' or if their 'voice doesn't have the legacy sound' then don't offer them a permanent job.

He wasn't named "Singer For Life" he was named the lead singer.
It's basically at-will, can be fired.

by **SF-Dano** » Tue Jul 22, 2008 6:00 am

For the record: I have not read all 11 pages of this discussion.

Getting back to the original quotes from the article way back on page one, I really don't see what Neal said that was so harsh, mean, or critical to spur this 11 page and growing rant from JSS naysayers and JSS defenders. If the quotes are accurate, I don't see how they spark another day of Neal bashing around here.

I often wonder what type of ideal fantasy land some here think we all live in. A place where everyone gets along, a place where where business is all friendship. It is nice to dream, but reality is what it is. Business is harsh, especially when there a big $$$$ involved in the mix and everyone tries to cover their own ass; legally, emotionally, physically, and socially.

by **strangegrey** » Tue Jul 22, 2008 6:04 am

Behshad wrote:Easy there Frank...... Tito knows a alot more than we do,,, so how dare you question him when he was there and signed the paperwork before they were delivered to Soto

Ahh, that explains alot. I remember...even JSS himself confirmed that Tito was there when they were signing papers... :roll:

on a note of seriousness, I resent the fact that some people are actually giving Neal Schon's claim of a lawsuit even a shred of credibility. This kind of disgraceful shit ends up getting blown up way out of proportion. Because of crap like this, within 2 weeks, I'd expect some piece of shit music website out of Manila to report that JSS sued Schon.....It's fucking wrong that people would give Schon even a **** hair of credibility for such a statement.

fucking wrong.....just fucking wrong....

by **JSS** » Tue Jul 22, 2008 6:05 am

Gunbot wrote:I'm curious what the difference would be between an Journey album fronted by Soto and a Soul Sirkus album. Is Cain the missing ingredient? Has he now become the most integral part of the Journey sound?

SS was not supposed to Journey ll, sadly no ones heard my Perry 'impersonations' which I used to blow people away with decades ago in my 20's (most of it came from his & my love for Sam Cooke actually). I put 'that' voice on the shelf as not to be another 'one' of those singers that popped up everywhere once Journey blew up, there were so many Perry soundalikes (well, not really, there was only really ever one!) so as to concentrate on finding my own voice. It was fun singing those songs 'in' the band but there was no way I would try to do the soundalike thing with Journey, I respected the songs & the melodies by hitting the following the print Perry left on them.

Neal told me from day one he doesn't want the SS sound to compare to Journey, he wanted something more rock, more tough & beefier....which we did.

by **RedWingFan** » Tue Jul 22, 2008 6:06 am

SF-Dano wrote:It is nice to dream, but reality is what it is. Business is harsh, especially when there a big $$$$ involved in the mix and everyone tries to cover their own ass; legally, emotionally, physically, and socially.

[sarcasm on] That doesn't excuse the way they treat people. Why do you hate Jeff? [sarcasm off] :lol:

by **strangegrey** » Tue Jul 22, 2008 6:07 am

SF-Dano wrote:Getting back to the original quotes from the article way back on page one, I really don't see what Neal said that was so harsh, mean, or critical to spur this 11 page and growing rant from JSS naysayers and JSS defenders. If the quotes are accurate, I don't see how they spark another day of Neal bashing around here.

In part because Neal dreamt up a lawsuit in order to further vilify Jeff and make him seem more 'in the right' than he really was for the shit he pulled 2 years ago. Reminder, he didn't have to answer the question asked of him. He did....how can anyone expect Neal to *not* get flack for making such a rediculous claim?

by **SusieP** » Tue Jul 22, 2008 6:07 am

Red13JoePa wrote:
SusieP wrote:There wouldn't need to BE a lawsuit if a permanent job announcement hadn't been made and reneged upon.

If someone's 'personality doesn't fit' or if their 'voice doesn't have the legacy sound' then don't offer them a permanent job.

He wasn't named "Singer For Life" he was named the lead singer.
It's basically at-will, can be fired.

Can be fired?
...and if 'can be sued' applies, then something happened which meant 'at will' didn't apply.

And, this particular storm had just about settled, when Neal stirred it all up again.

As I said earlier.
I give up.

by **Enigma869** » Tue Jul 22, 2008 6:13 am

JSS wrote: there were so many Perry soundalikes (well, not really, there was only really ever one!)

Who is the "one" Perry soundalike that you're referring to, Jeff??? I'm still waiting to hear someone who sounds like Perry. I heard many claim Augeri sounded like Perry, which I thought was ABSURD! Augeri was NOWHERE close to Perry, on ANY level and sounded absolutely NOTHING like the guy!

John from Boston

by **Red13JoePa** » Tue Jul 22, 2008 6:17 am

SusieP wrote:
Red13JoePa wrote:
SusieP wrote:There wouldn't need to BE a lawsuit if a permanent job announcement hadn't been made and reneged upon.

If someone's 'personality doesn't fit' or if their 'voice doesn't have the legacy sound' then don't offer them a permanent job.

He wasn't named "Singer For Life" he was named the lead singer.
It's basically at-will, can be fired.

Can be fired?
...and if 'can be sued' applies, then something happened which meant 'at will' didn't apply.

And, this particular storm had just about settled, when Neal stirred it all up again.

As I said earlier.
I give up.

Well it's JSS' prerogative to sue, if there's validity or frivolity to it is up to the courts.

But give me a break, only Supreme Court Judges have lifetime job security, job announcement or not.

by **Deb** » Tue Jul 22, 2008 6:19 am

Enigma869 wrote:
JSS wrote: there were so many Perry soundalikes (well, not really, there was only really ever one!)

Who is the "one" Perry soundalike that you're referring to, Jeff??? I'm still waiting to hear someone who sounds like Perry. I heard many claim Augeri sounded like Perry, which I thought was ABSURD! Augeri was NOWHERE close to Perry, on ANY level and sounded absolutely NOTHING like the guy!

John from Boston

I think he meant, there was only ever one Perry.

There was lots of bands in the 80s that sounded similar to Journey around that time. Like Survivor, etc. How many times do you see Eye of the Tiger come up under Journey on DL sites? :lol:

by **Natalie** » Tue Jul 22, 2008 6:23 am

Tito wrote:
Behshad wrote:Tito is a no-life loser, who just wants to cause shit around here. This is the same guy who was at SouthBend checkin JSS out,

Also, I did NOT go to South Bend for Soto. I went to see Scrap Metal. Actually in all honesty, as the show was coming around, I didn't even want to go but I didn't want Saint John to have to eat another ticket as a few people already bailed out on him. Plus, you can ask of couple of others I was "blasting" Soto back then. Everytime someone said something about Soto I rolled my eyes. Did I say anything to you or others about what I thought of Soto specifically the dismisal - no, but that wasn't the place. It was supposed to be a good time.

As far as a no-life loser, I've been here only two months, you've been here two years. I only post or 99% of time during work hours to pass time. Evenings and weekends are rare. Also, I follow people that have accomplished something. Look who you follow. Who's the loser?

OK, I'm just getting caught up here but I want to make sure I understand this....you are saying that you are NOT a loser because 1-you've only been here two months and 2-You only post during the work day. Yet you argue that B is a loser becuase he's been here for 2 year??? Hmmmm-well I just checked and you have an average of just under 12 posts per day and B has an average of just under posts per day. Sounds like B must be far busier at work than you are. :roll:

by **epresley** » Tue Jul 22, 2008 6:26 am

Natalie wrote:
Tito wrote:
Behshad wrote:Tito is a no-life loser, who just wants to cause shit around here. This is the same guy who was at SouthBend checkin JSS out,

Also, I did NOT go to South Bend for Soto. I went to see Scrap Metal. Actually in all honesty, as the show was coming around, I didn't even want to go but I didn't want Saint John to have to eat another ticket as a few people already bailed out on him. Plus, you can ask of couple of others I was "blasting" Soto back then. Everytime someone said something about Soto I rolled my eyes. Did I say anything to you or others about what I thought of Soto specifically the dismisal - no, but that wasn't the place. It was supposed to be a good time.

As far as a no-life loser, I've been here only two months, you've been here two years. I only post or 99% of time during work hours to pass time. Evenings and weekends are rare. Also, I follow people that have accomplished something. Look who you follow. Who's the loser?

OK, I'm just getting caught up here but I want to make sure I understand this....you are saying that you are NOT a loser because 1-you've only been here two months and 2-You only post during the work day. Yet you argue that B is a loser becuase he's been here for 2 year??? Hmmmm-well I just checked and you have an average of just under 12 posts per day and B has an average of just under posts per day. Sounds like B must be far busier at work than you are.

Go Nat, go Nat, go Nat :wink:

by **strangegrey** » Tue Jul 22, 2008 6:26 am

Natalie wrote:OK, I'm just getting caught up here but I want to make sure I understand this....you are saying that you are NOT a loser because 1-you've only been here two months and 2-You only post during the work day. Yet you argue that B is a loser becuase he's been here for 2 year??? Hmmmm-well I just checked and you have an average of just under 12 posts per day and B has an average of just under posts per day. Sounds like B must be far busier at work than you are.

Ouch!

by **SusieP** » Tue Jul 22, 2008 6:37 am

Red13JoePa wrote:
SusieP wrote:
Red13JoePa wrote:
SusieP wrote:There wouldn't need to BE a lawsuit if a permanent job announcement hadn't been made and reneged upon.

If someone's 'personality doesn't fit' or if their 'voice doesn't have the legacy sound' then don't offer them a permanent job.

He wasn't named "Singer For Life" he was named the lead singer.
It's basically at-will, can be fired.

Can be fired?
...and if 'can be sued' applies, then something happened which meant 'at will' didn't apply.

And, this particular storm had just about settled, when Neal stirred it all up again.

As I said earlier.
I give up.

Well it's JSS' prerogative to sue, if there's validity or frivolity to it is up to the courts.

But give me a break, only Supreme Court Judges have lifetime job security, job announcement or not.

I hear turkey farmers have a job for life.

by **Indyjoe** » Tue Jul 22, 2008 6:47 am

Saint John wrote:
Deb wrote: My issue is.....why do they feel the need to come in and try to minimize Jeff's talents every time something positive is posted about him? What are they getting out of doing that?

What do you (some people here in general...not specifically you, Deb) get out of making him into a superstar and using him in the same breath as Perry, Gramm, Mercury and others when he clearly hasn't earned the right to be in that company? I think we're much closer to the truth than those people and sometimes the truth hurts...but it's still the truth. There was never a problem here until people felt the need to make ridiculous comparisons that were actually unfair to Soto himself. If you played "word association" with music insiders and experts and said Perry, Gramm and Mercury I would bet my entire net worth that "Soto" would not be the next name mentioned...or the 50th for that matter.

Journey hired Jeff. The SAME band Steve Perry sang for.

I had the pleasure of seeing Steve Perry with Journey live in 1981 a couple times and then in 1983. Fantastic!! Didn't see Journey again until I saw them with Jeff a couple times. Also fantastic!!

JEFF SCOTT SOTO... STEVE PERRY... JEFF SCOTT SOTO... STEVE PERRY... JEFF SCOTT SOTO... STEVE PERRY...JEFF SCOTT SOTO...STEVE PERRY...JEFF SCOTT SOTO

Same breath.

by **Behshad** » Tue Jul 22, 2008 6:53 am

Indyjoe wrote:
Journey hired Jeff. The SAME band Steve Perry sang for.

I had the pleasure of seeing Steve Perry with Journey live in 1981 a couple times and then in 1983. Fantastic!! Didn't see Journey again until I saw them with Jeff a couple times. Also fantastic!!

JEFF SCOTT SOTO... STEVE PERRY... JEFF SCOTT SOTO... STEVE PERRY... JEFF SCOTT SOTO... STEVE PERRY...JEFF SCOTT SOTO...STEVE PERRY...JEFF SCOTT SOTO

Same breath.

Im right there with ya

JEFF SCOTT SOTO... STEVE PERRY... JEFF SCOTT SOTO... STEVE PERRY... JEFF SCOTT SOTO... STEVE PERRY...JEFF SCOTT SOTO...STEVE PERRY...JEFF SCOTT SOTO

phew,,, Im outta breath now,,, thanks a lot !

by **Enigma869** » Tue Jul 22, 2008 6:54 am

Deb wrote:I think he meant, there was only ever one Perry.

Thanks for straightening me out, Deb. I thought Jeff was actually saying there was only ever one "sound-alike". Obviously, your understanding of it makes FAR more sense. I agree with Jeff on that point. Perry is probably the most imitated singer, ever. The insanity of it is that there isn't 1% of the population who has the talents that Perry had.

John from Boston

by **Indyjoe** » Tue Jul 22, 2008 6:59 am

Behshad wrote:
Indyjoe wrote:
Journey hired Jeff. The SAME band Steve Perry sang for.

I had the pleasure of seeing Steve Perry with Journey live in 1981 a couple times and then in 1983. Fantastic!! Didn't see Journey again until I saw them with Jeff a couple times. Also fantastic!!

JEFF SCOTT SOTO... STEVE PERRY... JEFF SCOTT SOTO... STEVE PERRY... JEFF SCOTT SOTO... STEVE PERRY...JEFF SCOTT SOTO...STEVE PERRY...JEFF SCOTT SOTO

Same breath.

Im right there with ya

JEFF SCOTT SOTO... STEVE PERRY... JEFF SCOTT SOTO... STEVE PERRY... JEFF SCOTT SOTO... STEVE PERRY...JEFF SCOTT SOTO...STEVE PERRY...JEFF SCOTT SOTO

phew,,, Im outta breath now,,, thanks a lot !

Yup!

by **Behshad** » Tue Jul 22, 2008 7:02 am

Saint John wrote:That's what he said about you right here in public. I was paraphrasing and my example was only specific to you.

Any luck finding that statement, big boy!??? Or did you once again stick your foot in your mouth, by throwing in lies into the mix of your so called facts?

by **JSS** » Tue Jul 22, 2008 7:02 am

Enigma869 wrote:
JSS wrote: there were so many Perry soundalikes (well, not really, there was only really ever one!)

Who is the "one" Perry soundalike that you're referring to, Jeff??? I'm still waiting to hear someone who sounds like Perry. I heard many claim Augeri sounded like Perry, which I thought was ABSURD! Augeri was NOWHERE close to Perry, on ANY level and sounded absolutely NOTHING like the guy!

John from Boston

I just meant guys that launched & were compared to Perry like Hugo, David Glen Eisley (Giuffria), even Jimi Jamison got it back then. I didn't mean any one intentionally tried to be Perry but the ones that had the clean tenor would automatically be compared to him as 'Perry-esque'.

by **Perrydise** » Tue Jul 22, 2008 7:04 am

SusieP wrote:
Saint John wrote:The only decision I have ever had a problem with as far as Journey goes was Tapegate. I THINK THEY HAVE HANDLED EVERYTHING ELSE WONDERFULLY. Selling out the first 9 shows, and I'm certain that more will follow, seems to indicate that they hired the right guy. A Double Platinum album is going to be pretty fucking cool as well.

I can't believe nobody has picked up on this sentence!
When JSS was fired, the word that he had been fired was posted up on the net by various musicians who had been told - but it was before JSS knew. Links to their blogs etc were posted up for us to see.
The band photo featuring JSS was altered as we looked at the Journey site. His image was erased bit by bit. We saw it happen.
We all read this info and we all saw the photo. That wasn't gossip from board members pretending to be 'in the know' it was from people in the biz who knew and worked with JSS, Journey and their Management posting up what had happened while JSS was in Europe.

We knew before JSS did. I call that sneaky.

If you think that is handling things wonderfully then...............I give up.

It does not matter if JSS sells a million units week. Or none.
How many units did Arnel sell before he got the job?
It is about courtesy, and respect for another person's feelings. None were given.
And the main culprit for mentioning JSS's name in the same sentence as Mercury, Perry etc is you!
But why that is even a problem, again.............I give up.

Some people are just skanks Susie, no morals or ethics. And some will do anything for a free ride.

by **Deb** » Tue Jul 22, 2008 7:17 am

Rhiannon wrote:
Enigma869 wrote:blinded by the light!

Wrapped up like a douche?? Err... deuce.

Another runner in the night......

:lol:

sorry, just couldn't let it go. :lol:

by **Shadowsong** » Tue Jul 22, 2008 7:21 am

JSS wrote:
Enigma869 wrote:
JSS wrote: there were so many Perry soundalikes (well, not really, there was only really ever one!)

Who is the "one" Perry soundalike that you're referring to, Jeff??? I'm still waiting to hear someone who sounds like Perry. I heard many claim Augeri sounded like Perry, which I thought was ABSURD! Augeri was NOWHERE close to Perry, on ANY level and sounded absolutely NOTHING like the guy!

John from Boston

I just meant guys that launched & were compared to Perry like Hugo, David Glen Eisley (Giuffria), even Jimi Jamison got it back then. I didn't mean any one intentionally tried to be Perry but the ones that had the clean tenor would automatically be compared to him as 'Perry-esque'.

I just took it as a statement of fact
there is only one Steve Perry & the rest are by definition sound alikes

Wouldn't it be something if someday JSS & Steve Perry collaborated...not to tour but for a song or even a CD?
Bet that would knock a chip off Neal's shoulder.

:lol:

by **Eric** » Tue Jul 22, 2008 7:30 am

Gunbot wrote:I'm curious what the difference would be between an Journey album fronted by Soto and a Soul Sirkus album. Is Cain the missing ingredient? Has he now become the most integral part of the Journey sound?

Feeling Journey or not... Schon's guitar sometimes is singing Journey and other times isn't...

by **Eric** » Tue Jul 22, 2008 7:32 am

JSS wrote:
Gunbot wrote:I'm curious what the difference would be between an Journey album fronted by Soto and a Soul Sirkus album. Is Cain the missing ingredient? Has he now become the most integral part of the Journey sound?

SS was not supposed to Journey ll, sadly no ones heard my Perry 'impersonations' which I used to blow people away with decades ago in my 20's (most of it came from his & my love for Sam Cooke actually). I put 'that' voice on the shelf as not to be another 'one' of those singers that popped up everywhere once Journey blew up, there were so many Perry soundalikes (well, not really, there was only really ever one!) so as to concentrate on finding my own voice. It was fun singing those songs 'in' the band but there was no way I would try to do the soundalike thing with Journey, I respected the songs & the melodies by hitting the following the print Perry left on them.

Neal told me from day one he doesn't want the SS sound to compare to Journey, he wanted something more rock, more tough & beefier....which we did.

Go on Youtube and listen to this guy sing "I'll be alright without you".....Its Perry on roids. Its terrific!

by **Deb** » Tue Jul 22, 2008 7:35 am

Shadowsong wrote:
JSS wrote:
Enigma869 wrote:
JSS wrote: there were so many Perry soundalikes (well, not really, there was only really ever one!)

Who is the "one" Perry soundalike that you're referring to, Jeff??? I'm still waiting to hear someone who sounds like Perry. I heard many claim Augeri sounded like Perry, which I thought was ABSURD! Augeri was NOWHERE close to Perry, on ANY level and sounded absolutely NOTHING like the guy!

John from Boston

I just meant guys that launched & were compared to Perry like Hugo, David Glen Eisley (Giuffria), even Jimi Jamison got it back then. I didn't mean any one intentionally tried to be Perry but the ones that had the clean tenor would automatically be compared to him as 'Perry-esque'.

I just took it as a statement of fact
there is only one Steve Perry & the rest are by definition sound alikes

Wouldn't it be something if someday JSS & Steve Perry collaborated...not to tour but for a song or even a CD?
Bet that would knock a chip off Neal's shoulder.

That would be way cool! Soul overload for this fan. :shock:

And ya never know in this funny world of R&R anything's possible........never thought I'd ever be just a few feet away from seeing JSS and EM share a mic either.

MR

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