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Re: Schon comes clean... well sort of...

Postby Fire99 » Thu Jul 31, 2008 11:28 am

RedWingFan wrote:
But what turned my head around was when we wrote a couple of new songs. We sent them to Jeff... he laid down some vocals...and it didn't sound like Journey at all. Jeff didn't have to be a clone of Steve Perry, but his register was more like a baritone. We needed an alto-tenor... that timbre of voice that everybody's used to. So that was the problem. It didn't sound great. It didn't sound like Journey.. It was just very nondescript."

He pretty much described the 2 shows I saw last year with this paragraph.


maybe so.. but if it were that obvious to see and if Schon and co shared the same opinion as you then they would not of announced Jeff as the permanent new singer..

It's bollox man.. a copout plain and simple...
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Re: Schon comes clean... well sort of...

Postby RedWingFan » Thu Jul 31, 2008 11:32 am

Fire99 wrote:
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But what turned my head around was when we wrote a couple of new songs. We sent them to Jeff... he laid down some vocals...and it didn't sound like Journey at all. Jeff didn't have to be a clone of Steve Perry, but his register was more like a baritone. We needed an alto-tenor... that timbre of voice that everybody's used to. So that was the problem. It didn't sound great. It didn't sound like Journey.. It was just very nondescript."

He pretty much described the 2 shows I saw last year with this paragraph.


maybe so.. but if it were that obvious to see and if Schon and co shared the same opinion as you then they would not of announced Jeff as the permanent new singer..

It's bollox man.. a copout plain and simple...

Like SJ said earlier, they were just happy as hell to actually be live and jumped the gun.
Regardless. Thankfully they did the right thing.
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Re: Schon comes clean... well sort of...

Postby nolippin » Thu Jul 31, 2008 11:32 am

Agreed. It is a copout. I agree with what St. John is saying.


Fire99 wrote:
RedWingFan wrote:
But what turned my head around was when we wrote a couple of new songs. We sent them to Jeff... he laid down some vocals...and it didn't sound like Journey at all. Jeff didn't have to be a clone of Steve Perry, but his register was more like a baritone. We needed an alto-tenor... that timbre of voice that everybody's used to. So that was the problem. It didn't sound great. It didn't sound like Journey.. It was just very nondescript."

He pretty much described the 2 shows I saw last year with this paragraph.


maybe so.. but if it were that obvious to see and if Schon and co shared the same opinion as you then they would not of announced Jeff as the permanent new singer..

It's bollox man.. a copout plain and simple...
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Re: Schon comes clean... well sort of...

Postby Saint John » Thu Jul 31, 2008 11:34 am

Fire99 wrote:
RedWingFan wrote:
But what turned my head around was when we wrote a couple of new songs. We sent them to Jeff... he laid down some vocals...and it didn't sound like Journey at all. Jeff didn't have to be a clone of Steve Perry, but his register was more like a baritone. We needed an alto-tenor... that timbre of voice that everybody's used to. So that was the problem. It didn't sound great. It didn't sound like Journey.. It was just very nondescript."

He pretty much described the 2 shows I saw last year with this paragraph.


maybe so.. but if it were that obvious to see and if Schon and co shared the same opinion as you then they would not of announced Jeff as the permanent new singer..

It's bollox man.. a copout plain and simple...


I think Soto was named permanent lead singer to douse the final embers of Tapegate. Seems logical to me. They never said how long he'd be the lead singer. At least not to us.
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Postby Shadowsong » Thu Jul 31, 2008 11:41 am

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nolippin wrote:They also knew how he sounded singing Journey songs because they included Journey songs as Soul Sirkus.


True. Send Her My Love with Soul Sirkus. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l26gb2X-XdQ


JSS may not sound like Steve Perry
but it's just as moving & no less an emotional vocal experience!
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Postby Since 78 » Thu Jul 31, 2008 11:46 am

annie89509 wrote:
finalfight wrote:
annie89509 wrote:
Tomulator wrote:
Deb wrote:
Enigma869 wrote:Whether you like Arnel or not, there is no denying when you listen to a track like "After All These Years", it is a classic Journey sounding track!


John from Boston


That is very true.


It is a well-written song that BEGS for Perry's voice...AP is a "marginal" substitute for THE VOICE.

Sorry...my opinion.

8)


my opinion, too. SP would have made the song better, add in his creative touches, a little more melody, change up the lyrics and not make it so smaltzy. This is 2008, not 1981.


Could have maybe but not anymore. Not anywhere near close. Like you said it's this is 2008 and not 1981.

I was comparing the smaltziness of AATY with OA. I think Jon was going for a WYLAW tune, but it fell flat. WYLAW is a better song .... to my ears. Put the 2 songs up, FF. Let's compare.


WYLAW http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rP_XApLJXzY

AATY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkFJshnAROw

Didn't fall flat all IMO, Very comparable. However, they should have released TDTWT as the Ballad single http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phksgyQ-wMw
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Postby Deb » Thu Jul 31, 2008 11:52 am

Shadowsong wrote:
Deb wrote:
nolippin wrote:They also knew how he sounded singing Journey songs because they included Journey songs as Soul Sirkus.


True. Send Her My Love with Soul Sirkus. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l26gb2X-XdQ


JSS may not sound like Steve Perry
but it's just as moving & no less an emotional vocal experience!


Exactly! And I just love that all 3 of my faves share that ability......and yet all 3, very vocally unique! :D
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Postby Deb » Thu Jul 31, 2008 12:00 pm

Since 78 wrote:
annie89509 wrote:
finalfight wrote:
annie89509 wrote:
Tomulator wrote:
Deb wrote:
Enigma869 wrote:Whether you like Arnel or not, there is no denying when you listen to a track like "After All These Years", it is a classic Journey sounding track!


John from Boston


That is very true.


It is a well-written song that BEGS for Perry's voice...AP is a "marginal" substitute for THE VOICE.

Sorry...my opinion.

8)


my opinion, too. SP would have made the song better, add in his creative touches, a little more melody, change up the lyrics and not make it so smaltzy. This is 2008, not 1981.


Could have maybe but not anymore. Not anywhere near close. Like you said it's this is 2008 and not 1981.

I was comparing the smaltziness of AATY with OA. I think Jon was going for a WYLAW tune, but it fell flat. WYLAW is a better song .... to my ears. Put the 2 songs up, FF. Let's compare.


WYLAW http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rP_XApLJXzY

AATY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkFJshnAROw

Didn't fall flat all IMO, Very comparable. However, they should have released TDTWT as the Ballad single http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phksgyQ-wMw


Both great Journey songs, but after listening to both......only one makes the hair at the back of my neck stand up. Perry's vocal timbre and delivery on that one are second to none! Saying that though, AATY is my favorite off the new cd........and I just love watching Arnel and his big infectious smile.....he really seems to be coming into his own. :)
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Postby Saint John » Thu Jul 31, 2008 1:07 pm

Deb wrote:Both great Journey songs, but after listening to both......only one makes the hair at the back of my neck stand up.


You have hair on the back of your neck?!?! Gross!!! :lol: :twisted: :P
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Postby Deb » Thu Jul 31, 2008 1:40 pm

Saint John wrote:
Deb wrote:Both great Journey songs, but after listening to both......only one makes the hair at the back of my neck stand up.


You have hair on the back of your neck?!?! Gross!!! :lol: :twisted: :P


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Postby Since 78 » Thu Jul 31, 2008 1:47 pm

Saint John wrote:
Deb wrote:Both great Journey songs, but after listening to both......only one makes the hair at the back of my neck stand up.


You have hair on the back of your neck?!?! Gross!!! :lol: :twisted: :P


Thats why your in my top 5!! :lol: :lol:
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Postby Journey/Survivor » Thu Jul 31, 2008 3:10 pm

Onestepper wrote:Not sure what people are not seeing in those comments. They are not mean spirited or even 'harsh'. It appears to be a diplomatic way of saying what everyone was looking for as a reason to let JSS go. He didn't say 'he sucked' or anything close to that. Just that it didn't fit their sound. I think that is reasonable.

My belief is that most people would have a completely different feeling about those comments if they had handled the termination more professionally, and actually discussed the issue of why they wanted to go in a different direction to JSS one on one. I don't think how or what he said in the interview was that bad.



I completely agree. Well said!
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Postby annie89509 » Thu Jul 31, 2008 4:06 pm

Since 78 wrote:
annie89509 wrote:
finalfight wrote:
annie89509 wrote:
Tomulator wrote:
Deb wrote:
Enigma869 wrote:Whether you like Arnel or not, there is no denying when you listen to a track like "After All These Years", it is a classic Journey sounding track!


John from Boston


That is very true.


It is a well-written song that BEGS for Perry's voice...AP is a "marginal" substitute for THE VOICE.

Sorry...my opinion.

8)


my opinion, too. SP would have made the song better, add in his creative touches, a little more melody, change up the lyrics and not make it so smaltzy. This is 2008, not 1981.


Could have maybe but not anymore. Not anywhere near close. Like you said it's this is 2008 and not 1981.

I was comparing the smaltziness of AATY with OA. I think Jon was going for a WYLAW tune, but it fell flat. WYLAW is a better song .... to my ears. Put the 2 songs up, FF. Let's compare.


WYLAW http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rP_XApLJXzY

AATY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkFJshnAROw

Didn't fall flat all IMO, Very comparable. However, they should have released TDTWT as the Ballad single http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phksgyQ-wMw

I was asking for the studio versions, lol. But since I78 scoured YT for these versions, here are my takes on the songs:

WYLAW: Love-Love-Love-Love it. I can listen to this song and watch this video all day long and not get tired of it. This one has all the trademarks of a great Journey ballad: Jon's piano intro and outro ... SP's vocals start slow, the chorus is the bridge, SP reaching for the upper register and climax ... Neal's little solo has to be included. Great Journey song.

AATY: No doubt, sounds like a Journey song. Arnel, great job, full of emotion bringing it life. But, jeez, the smaltzy and all monotone lyrics .... I keep waiting for that lift ... which never came. IMO, the SP factor is missing from this song. Jon needs another lyricist to play off ... to keep him in check lest he gets too sentimental and misty-eyed with the songwriting.

TDTWT: Now, this song contained all the elements of the Journey trademark ballad. I agree with a lot of the hardcore that this is the best song on the entire album.
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Postby finalfight » Thu Jul 31, 2008 6:55 pm

Shadowsong wrote:
Deb wrote:
nolippin wrote:They also knew how he sounded singing Journey songs because they included Journey songs as Soul Sirkus.


True. Send Her My Love with Soul Sirkus. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l26gb2X-XdQ


JSS may not sound like Steve Perry
but it's just as moving & no less an emotional vocal experience!


Sounds okay but like a Journey cover playing to Jeff's strengths - which is what it was. Journey don't perform the song like that live at all. Different sound altogether and that's were there was an issue. Jeff is great with his own material and at interpreting other material his way but his own vocal ability was not entirely suited and therefore being restricted within the confines of the Journey legacy sound. He is better loud and proud on his own and Journey is better vocally without him.
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Postby finalfight » Thu Jul 31, 2008 7:02 pm

annie89509 wrote:
Since 78 wrote:
annie89509 wrote:
finalfight wrote:
annie89509 wrote:
Tomulator wrote:
Deb wrote:
Enigma869 wrote:Whether you like Arnel or not, there is no denying when you listen to a track like "After All These Years", it is a classic Journey sounding track!


John from Boston


That is very true.


It is a well-written song that BEGS for Perry's voice...AP is a "marginal" substitute for THE VOICE.

Sorry...my opinion.

8)


my opinion, too. SP would have made the song better, add in his creative touches, a little more melody, change up the lyrics and not make it so smaltzy. This is 2008, not 1981.


Could have maybe but not anymore. Not anywhere near close. Like you said it's this is 2008 and not 1981.

I was comparing the smaltziness of AATY with OA. I think Jon was going for a WYLAW tune, but it fell flat. WYLAW is a better song .... to my ears. Put the 2 songs up, FF. Let's compare.


WYLAW http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rP_XApLJXzY

AATY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkFJshnAROw

Didn't fall flat all IMO, Very comparable. However, they should have released TDTWT as the Ballad single http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phksgyQ-wMw

I was asking for the studio versions, lol. But since I78 scoured YT for these versions, here are my takes on the songs:

WYLAW: Love-Love-Love-Love it. I can listen to this song and watch this video all day long and not get tired of it. This one has all the trademarks of a great Journey ballad: Jon's piano intro and outro ... SP's vocals start slow, the chorus is the bridge, SP reaching for the upper register and climax ... Neal's little solo has to be included. Great Journey song.

AATY: No doubt, sounds like a Journey song. Arnel, great job, full of emotion bringing it life. But, jeez, the smaltzy and all monotone lyrics .... I keep waiting for that lift ... which never came. IMO, the SP factor is missing from this song. Jon needs another lyricist to play off ... to keep him in check lest he gets too sentimental and misty-eyed with the songwriting.

TDTWT: Now, this song contained all the elements of the Journey trademark ballad. I agree with a lot of the hardcore that this is the best song on the entire album.


Studio versions wouldn't have made much of a difference overall. When You Love a Woman has better 'legs' than After All These Years' which is a touch schmaltzy and a tune that I now avoid. Turn Down the World Tonight is superior to both and definitely should be released as a single at some point with a decent video behind it.

My point was that whilst Perry could likely improve on the lyrics of After All These Years a little bit (although he did write You Better Wait which is a veritable lyrical farce), there is no way in hell I believe Perry in 2008 could touch Pineda vocally on the song. I would love to be proved wrong but I think the goose is cooked.
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Re: Schon comes clean... well sort of...

Postby Fire99 » Thu Jul 31, 2008 9:00 pm

Saint John wrote:
Fire99 wrote:
RedWingFan wrote:
But what turned my head around was when we wrote a couple of new songs. We sent them to Jeff... he laid down some vocals...and it didn't sound like Journey at all. Jeff didn't have to be a clone of Steve Perry, but his register was more like a baritone. We needed an alto-tenor... that timbre of voice that everybody's used to. So that was the problem. It didn't sound great. It didn't sound like Journey.. It was just very nondescript."

He pretty much described the 2 shows I saw last year with this paragraph.


maybe so.. but if it were that obvious to see and if Schon and co shared the same opinion as you then they would not of announced Jeff as the permanent new singer..

It's bollox man.. a copout plain and simple...


I think Soto was named permanent lead singer to douse the final embers of Tapegate. Seems logical to me. They never said how long he'd be the lead singer. At least not to us.


Maybe so... which i guess leads to the question on how mercenary are you prepared to be? This may be the the high power industry of music but morality is still morality.. Especially if JSS wasn't aware he was just a 'stop-gap'
And i guess it proves my point that more than likely that statement in C.R is just a smoke screen to shut us (including me :D) up!!
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Postby kgdjpubs » Fri Aug 01, 2008 12:53 am

Fire99 wrote:Apologies if im repeating something already said (the thread is getting rather looooong) but the voice issue regarding JSS does quite frankly smell something dodgy..

They worked together previously on Soul Sirkus so Neal and Dean would be both very aware of what Jeff's vocal range sounded like and his style etc..

Not to mention Jeff's 20 odd year history with other projects..

Come on these guys are professionals. you can't ignore Jeff's back catalog, Soul Sirkus plus a good number of live Journey shows and then listen to a couple of Demo's and say.. "oooooo Jeff's voice isn't right for us"

I don't know the facts (as most of us don't) but that just doesn't add up one bit..



That's what strikes me a little odd. You can say a lot of things about JSS, but you can't say he doesn't have enough of a catalogue of recorded works for you to know what you will be getting if you hire him. Call it good, call it bad, but you can't expect him to sound like a totally different singer when you send him a Journey song to sing. He's going to sound pretty much the way he always has. They knew what he sounded like going in, and certainly knew after playing live with him for about 6 months. It doesn't matter though. Journey got someone they are happy with, and are selling a bunch of albums, and are headlining a very profitable tour.

In the end, it's obvious they considered JSS a stop-gap replacement to finish the tour...and then the tour started going really well. They start getting a lot of good reviews, and praise for JSS. Band reconsiders, and then decides maybe we should keep the guy. At some point, things change and they decide they are going to move a different direction.

Now, everything went down after the Virginia show, and probably leading up to, if not into, the Talisman tour--at least the legal stuff. All works well until someone not in the band tells JSS. Now everyone here tries to strangle the band members for being cheap, inconsiderate, etc. A phone call from management simply stating "Thank you for your time, but your services are no longer required. Journey has decided to move in a different direction" would have worked fine. Of course, if you factor in the time to make any decision legal, it's very possible that the Talisman tour had started by the time the paperwork was cleared. The "nice" thing to do is to not ruin the guy's tour, so you simply plan to notify him once the tour ends, and he gets back home. Then, the loose lips event happens. What do you do? If you say anything, you open yourself for a lawsuit. So, under legal advice, you stay silent before it blows up into the general media. Sure, the hardcore fanbase hears about it on the internet--but if band member A sneezes in Acapulco, you hear about it on the internet. You control what you can, and try and keep the bloodbath from reaching CNN, CBS, etc. From that standpoint, it worked. Nobody outside of the diehards knew, or cared. Compared to the Augeri debacle, this was kept under wraps very well. I'm not saying this is what happened, but it is a possible theory that would explain the actions.
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Postby StoneCold » Fri Aug 01, 2008 3:04 am

kgdjpubs,

good wrap-up there, sounds about right.
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Postby JohnH » Fri Aug 01, 2008 3:14 am

SusieP wrote:It wouldn't hurt Neal or Jonathan to just say,
"we stand by our decision that Jeff was not the voice we wanted for Journey, but we should not have announced him as permanent lead singer."

And,

"we should have told him face to face, 'sorry Jeff but we've made a mistake and have changed our minds.'"

It's just courtesy.
And because they didn't do that and still haven't, I have lost respect for them as men.
Had they done what I just said, I would have no problem.

Their decision - fine.
Their handling of it - sneaky.
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Postby Fire99 » Fri Aug 01, 2008 3:26 am

JohnH wrote:
SusieP wrote:It wouldn't hurt Neal or Jonathan to just say,
"we stand by our decision that Jeff was not the voice we wanted for Journey, but we should not have announced him as permanent lead singer."

And,

"we should have told him face to face, 'sorry Jeff but we've made a mistake and have changed our minds.'"

It's just courtesy.
And because they didn't do that and still haven't, I have lost respect for them as men.
Had they done what I just said, I would have no problem.

Their decision - fine.
Their handling of it - sneaky.



The worst part of it and what has slimed their characters is the way they handled it. In Racing...you are always told you are out in some direct way, and it's usually face to face by somebody. These people man up. Even when you are fired in a vicious manner,, like Paul Tracy was from Penske in 97...he still flown to a San Diego hotel and was told face to face by a team representative, even though he was still under contract. I'm not buying the legal bs reasons that people list here...there's legalities with everything. Journey didn't man up- they pussed out like a bunch of sissies. Jackasses!

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Thats the feelin im getting too unfortunately....
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Postby SusieP » Fri Aug 01, 2008 3:27 am

JohnH wrote:
SusieP wrote:It wouldn't hurt Neal or Jonathan to just say,
"we stand by our decision that Jeff was not the voice we wanted for Journey, but we should not have announced him as permanent lead singer."

And,

"we should have told him face to face, 'sorry Jeff but we've made a mistake and have changed our minds.'"

It's just courtesy.
And because they didn't do that and still haven't, I have lost respect for them as men.
Had they done what I just said, I would have no problem.

Their decision - fine.
Their handling of it - sneaky.



The worst part of it and what has slimed their characters is the way they handled it. In Racing...you are always told you are out in some direct way, and it's usually face to face by somebody. These people man up. Even when you are fired in a vicious manner,, like Paul Tracy was from Penske in 97...he still flown to a San Diego hotel and was told face to face by a team representative, even though he was still under contract. I'm not buying the legal bs reasons that people list here...there's legalities with everything. Journey didn't man up- they pussed out like a bunch of sissies. Jackasses!

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Postby annie89509 » Fri Aug 01, 2008 5:15 am

finalfight wrote:Studio versions wouldn't have made much of a difference overall. When You Love a Woman has better 'legs' than After All These Years' which is a touch schmaltzy and a tune that I now avoid. Turn Down the World Tonight is superior to both and definitely should be released as a single at some point with a decent video behind it.

My point was that whilst Perry could likely improve on the lyrics of After All These Years a little bit (although he did write You Better Wait which is a veritable lyrical farce), there is no way in hell I believe Perry in 2008 could touch Pineda vocally on the song. I would love to be proved wrong but I think the goose is cooked.


FF:

I disagree that TDTWT is superior to WYLAW. 12 years after its release, it still sounds great, and, once awhile, it comes on the Reno soft rock station that I listen to (but not as often as DSB, Faithfully, SW, LTS, OA, et al). Will we be able to say the same about TDTWT, AATY, or any non-SP sung songs 2 years after its release? Most likely, you think TDTWT is a better song than WYLAW because it is still new and fresh-- to your ears. Just like a lot of J fans say they are tired of listening to DSB, SW, OA, LTS, WITS. After all, these are Journey's classics--a cut above all their other songs -- beloved by hardcores and casuals alike. Time will tell if anyone even mentions TDTWT, or AATY, a year from now.

What is wrong with YBW? It tells a story--a visual vignette--which is classic SP-style of songwriting. And I don't think anyone is saying ‘08 SP can outsing ‘08 AP. I mean, come on, there is a 20-yr age difference, and Arnel has been singing continuously for years, while Steve has been out of action for quite some time. AATY, or even TDTWT, are not hard songs to sing (no vocal acrobats necessary). I don't see it as a crime in wondering how SP would have "delivered" on those songs.
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Postby Michigan Girl » Fri Aug 01, 2008 5:36 am

annie89509 wrote:
I disagree that TDTWT is superior to WYLAW.


Not to these ears!!! :wink:
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Postby Since 78 » Fri Aug 01, 2008 5:41 am

Michigan Girl wrote:
annie89509 wrote:
I disagree that TDTWT is superior to WYLAW.


Not to these ears!!! :wink:


Well that settles it then!! :wink:
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Postby Don » Fri Aug 01, 2008 5:44 am

Since 78 wrote:
Michigan Girl wrote:
annie89509 wrote:
I disagree that TDTWT is superior to WYLAW.


Not to these ears!!! :wink:


Well that settles it then!! :wink:


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Postby finalfight » Fri Aug 01, 2008 5:44 am

annie89509 wrote:
finalfight wrote:Studio versions wouldn't have made much of a difference overall. When You Love a Woman has better 'legs' than After All These Years' which is a touch schmaltzy and a tune that I now avoid. Turn Down the World Tonight is superior to both and definitely should be released as a single at some point with a decent video behind it.

My point was that whilst Perry could likely improve on the lyrics of After All These Years a little bit (although he did write You Better Wait which is a veritable lyrical farce), there is no way in hell I believe Perry in 2008 could touch Pineda vocally on the song. I would love to be proved wrong but I think the goose is cooked.


FF:

I disagree that TDTWT is superior to WYLAW. 12 years after its release, it still sounds great, and, once awhile, it comes on the Reno soft rock station that I listen to (but not as often as DSB, Faithfully, SW, LTS, OA, et al). Will we be able to say the same about TDTWT, AATY, or any non-SP sung songs 2 years after its release? Most likely, you think TDTWT is a better song than WYLAW because it is still new and fresh-- to your ears. Just like a lot of J fans say they are tired of listening to DSB, SW, OA, LTS, WITS. After all, these are Journey's classics--a cut above all their other songs -- beloved by hardcores and casuals alike. Time will tell if anyone even mentions TDTWT, or AATY, a year from now.

What is wrong with YBW? It tells a story--a visual vignette--which is classic SP-style of songwriting. And I don't think anyone is saying ‘08 SP can outsing ‘08 AP. I mean, come on, there is a 20-yr age difference, and Arnel has been singing continuously for years, while Steve has been out of action for quite some time. AATY, or even TDTWT, are not hard songs to sing (no vocal acrobats necessary). I don't see it as a crime in wondering how SP would have "delivered" on those songs.


I do like 'You Better Wait' and in fact all of the 'For the Love of Strange Medicine' LP its just that the lyrics on that song smell very strongly of old Stilton.

I am still fairly new to Journey and as Trial By Fire is nowhere near top of my repeat play list 'When You Love a Woman' has not grown old to me yet. I simply think that 'Turn Down the World Tonight' is a better song.

I am not of the belief that if Steve Perry didn't sing on it than it can not hold up to the previous catalogue. I also don't agree that the songs you listed are necessarily a cut above all their other songs aren't they simply played out as the recipients of more airplay due to their possible release as singles?

Great as he was and as good as it would be for him to come back in some form or another Steve Perry was just a singer and time waits for no man.
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Postby Michigan Girl » Fri Aug 01, 2008 5:45 am

Since 78 wrote:
Michigan Girl wrote:
annie89509 wrote:
I disagree that TDTWT is superior to WYLAW.


Not to these ears!!! :wink:


Well that settles it then!! :wink:


Thanks, 78!!! Slow, but so sweet!!! :wink:
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Postby Deb » Fri Aug 01, 2008 5:54 am

finalfight wrote:Steve Perry was just a singer


:twisted: For shame, how dare ya! :lol: :P Just kidding.....sorta. :wink:
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Postby finalfight » Fri Aug 01, 2008 5:58 am

Deb wrote:
finalfight wrote:Steve Perry was just a singer


:twisted: For shame, how dare ya! :lol: :P Just kidding.....sorta. :wink:


Doesn't mean he wasn't the top of the heap simply that he was not some kind of gold plated God. :lol:
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Postby Deb » Fri Aug 01, 2008 6:00 am

finalfight wrote:Doesn't mean he wasn't the top of the heap


There, that's better! :wink: :lol:
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