Revelation - Japanese Bonus Track

[Lula]

i think it had more to do with the wal-mart deal and wanting to include known hits. but the reasoning or motivation are meaningless. the fact is they needed to tap into their past to sell their future..... it would have been nice to see a confident relaunching, but that doesn't matter either. i'm glad jrny are seeing success, nostalgia or otherwise.

[Saint John]

White Lion is not a shitty band.

The fuck they aren't!!!

I agree TPIYH has potential.

So does a pile of dog shit if you're looking for fertilizer. What's your pouint?

Is SW2 using SJ's account?

Unless he's using a dictionary today I'd say it's really me!!!

[Onestepper]

naw, re recording the classics was the biggest faux pas, but it has certainly helped move that $11.88 package

Well, faux pas or not (I still haven't listened to them )...

Me either. And no plans to.
I got a friend who's bugged me several times to listen to the redone version of BGTY and I fucking refuse. I love the originals on those songs too much. I don't want to deal with the retreads at all because I think that whole thing was a poor poor idea. Major faux pas.

But ugh, again... what's next? A re-record of "Spaceman"?

Would not surprise me.

I'd rather listen to the Cain version of Faithfully. And that is saying ALOT.

[Michigan Girl]

naw, re recording the classics was the biggest faux pas, but it has certainly helped move that $11.88 package

Well, faux pas or not (I still haven't listened to them )...

Me either. And no plans to.
I got a friend who's bugged me several times to listen to the redone version of BGTY and I fucking refuse. I love the originals on those songs too much. I don't want to deal with the retreads at all because I think that whole thing was a poor poor idea. Major faux pas.

But ugh, again... what's next? A re-record of "Spaceman"?

Would not surprise me.

I'd rather listen to the Cain version of Faithfully. And that is saying ALOT.

[Rhiannon]

I'd rather listen to the Cain version of Faithfully. And that is saying ALOT.

Hey now... I've found two uses for that album it's on. Testing out the CD player in a car I'm buying... and scraping ice off my windshield.
No finer form of ear rape than that plethora of Frigsturbation known as "Where I Live".

[brywool]

Fuck that.
Arnel should do Foolish Heart, LOL.

GOD NO. Boring song. Yawn fest. Blech.
Why don't they just record a (GASP!) NEW song?? OR they should re-record "I'll Cover You" from Neal's "Late Night" album. That'd ROCK with Arnel.

[bluejeangirl76]

I'd rather listen to the Cain version of Faithfully. And that is saying ALOT.

That is so that I don't even have a comment for it.

[conversationpc]

White Lion is not a shitty band.

The fuck they aren't!!!

White Lion's "Pride" album is one of the best hard rock albums of all time.

[Onestepper]

I'd rather listen to the Cain version of Faithfully. And that is saying ALOT.

Hey now... I've found two uses for that album it's on. Testing out the CD player in a car I'm buying... and scraping ice off my windshield.
No finer form of ear rape than that plethora of Frigsturbation known as "Where I Live".

Dog training Frisbee also gets mileage. It's like my pup is floating on the ivory river!

[Don]

I'd rather listen to the Cain version of Faithfully. And that is saying ALOT.

Hey now... I've found two uses for that album it's on. Testing out the CD player in a car I'm buying... and scraping ice off my windshield.
No finer form of ear rape than that plethora of Frigsturbation known as "Where I Live".

101 uses for a cat in the shower

Reason# 67: Ear rape

[Rhiannon]

[kgdjpubs]

Me either. And no plans to.
I got a friend who's bugged me several times to listen to the redone version of BGTY and I fucking refuse. I love the originals on those songs too much. I don't want to deal with the retreads at all because I think that whole thing was a poor poor idea. Major faux pas.

I'm convinced it's people's reaction to hearing something different from the way they remember it that brings people forward with guns blazing and the cry that their favorite song has been destroyed. It doesn't even matter whether it was the original version of the song--just the version of the song they remember. How well the song was performed doesn't matter either. Another version may be technically superior, but still people would cry wolf. It's not what they remember.

As I have questioned before.......is it the redo idea in general, or the redos with Arnel? I seriously doubt redos with Jeremey would have been received any better. How about Augeri? We know they exist for radio advertisements if nothing else. Nobody screamed too much when they were recorded. As much as people love JSS, I imagine the idea of people's reaction to him on the songs would have been worse, just because of the differences in voice. People that criticize Arnel and Jeremey for sounding too close to Perry would crucify JSS for NOT sounding close to Perry.

Then, you get the live question. Would people accept a live cd from the current lineup. For all practical purposes, it already exists in the audio of the dvd--and nobody complains about that. What's the difference between a live cd and a studio cd of the same songs, other than the fact that the studio cd MIGHT have better playing and singing on it?

How about Perry redoing the songs with Journey in current voice? In theory, most people get better technique at least over the years. It would be sad if he thinks he was a better singer 30 years ago. I would argue that Perry today is a better singer than Perry 1977--and I'm not talking about the notes he can hit. Get him to speak honestly, and I'm sure there are a bunch of things he cringes at today listening to the original versions. It's called being a perfectionist. ANYBODY that has done something artistic, and then looked back on it several years later can find something they wished they had fixed. I'm confident Perry would want to change something. Either a note held too long, a note that was too short, came in too quick on a certain line, a minor vocal inflection that he thinks would be better off done some other way--there's a whole bunch of stuff that I'm sure he would want to change given the motivation. I'm also confident that everyone else that played on those songs has something they would want to change. Put the original members back together in a studio and give them a chance to change things so that they are happy with the song now--would you want to hear that?

Just curious...

[bluejeangirl76]

I'm convinced it's people's reaction to hearing something different from the way they remember it that brings people forward with guns blazing and the cry that their favorite song has been destroyed. It doesn't even matter whether it was the original version of the song--just the version of the song they remember.

Actually no. Not for me at least.
I don't really like covers in general, but if something is good, I *will* say so. Ask Rip - he was there when I told Kevin Chalfant how much he rocked "Stone In Love". In fact what I told him was "I usually don't approve of anyone singing that, but YOU rocked it."

As I have questioned before.......is it the redo idea in general, or the redos with Arnel?

For me, its the redos in general.

I seriously doubt redos with Jeremey would have been received any better. How about Augeri?

Nope. Leave them alone. That's still my feeling.

Nobody screamed too much when they were recorded.

I did. I screamed a lot.

How about Perry redoing the songs with Journey in current voice?

No.

I'm confident Perry would want to change something. Either a note held too long, a note that was too short, came in too quick on a certain line, a minor vocal inflection that he thinks would be better off done some other way--there's a whole bunch of stuff that I'm sure he would want to change given the motivation.

Quite possibly. But I believe at one point he said something to the way of "It came out the way it did for a reason..." or something of that nature. And I believe that's true.

Van Gogh might want to repaint Starry Night but that wouldn't make it a good idea.

Put the original members back together in a studio and give them a chance to change things so that they are happy with the song now--would you want to hear that?

Again, this is just me, but no, I wouldn't. I'd rather hear something new and leave the classics stand on what made them hits the first time.

[Saint John]

Anytime, Winds Of March, Can Do and Wheel In The Sky were all pre-Perry (Fleischman), but no one seems to have a problem with them. What sounds better to you sounds better to you...regardless of recording order.

[Rhiannon]

Van Gogh might want to repaint Starry Night but that wouldn't make it a good idea.

It's awfully hard for a postmortem individual to hold a brush.

[Michigan Girl]

Nobody screamed too much when they were recorded.

I did. I screamed a lot.

You must've missed an episode or two!!!

[bluejeangirl76]

Anytime, Winds Of March, Can Do and Wheel In The Sky were all pre-Perry (Fleischman), but no one seems to have a problem with them.

True but they weren't recorded with Fleischman.

And Can Do is a crummy song no matter whose singing it. But that's another matter.

[Saint John]

True but they weren't recorded with Fleischman.

Then what's this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSGM_pZwsmY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eQxYpDh ... re=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wDxlrij ... re=related

[bluejeangirl76]

Nobody screamed too much when they were recorded.

I did. I screamed a lot.

You must've missed an episode or two!!!

No I didn't... I thought that statement meant that no one screamed much when those re-records were done and I said I screamed a lot. What'd I miss?

[Michigan Girl]

Nobody screamed too much when they were recorded.

I did. I screamed a lot.

You must've missed an episode or two!!!

No I didn't... I thought that statement meant that no one screamed much when those re-records were done and I said I screamed a lot. What'd I miss?

Not you....him/her.....!!!
I recall being unhappy myself!!

[bluejeangirl76]

True but they weren't recorded with Fleischman.

Then what's this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSGM_pZwsmY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eQxYpDh ... re=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wDxlrij ... re=related

That's live. Smartass.

[Saint John]

True but they weren't recorded with Fleischman.

Then what's this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSGM_pZwsmY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eQxYpDh ... re=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wDxlrij ... re=related

That's live. Smartass.

So what I was listening to was live and not a recording? Wow, Neal found the fountain of youth and someone better break the news to Arnel that he's out!!! Anyone seen Cronin lately?

[bluejeangirl76]

True but they weren't recorded with Fleischman.

Then what's this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSGM_pZwsmY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eQxYpDh ... re=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wDxlrij ... re=related

That's live. Smartass.

So what I was listening to was live and not a recording? Wow, Neal found the fountain of youth and someone better break the news to Arnel that he's out!!! Anyone seen Cronin lately?

I believe you know very well what I meant. Alright, FINE... those are recorded live performances... better? And if management/marketing (by which I mean HH) thought the album recordings were gonna be any good with that guy's voice, they wouldn't have ninjaed Steve Fucking Perry in behind the curtain to do it the right way.

As for Kevin Cronin, ain't no fountain of youth gonna help that goony bastard.

[Ehwmatt]

Man that Winds of March was killer. Only Fleischman I heard before this was the Wheel in the Sky recording, which sucked. But he rocks on Winds of March and that Anytime clip too.

[Don]

True but they weren't recorded with Fleischman.

Then what's this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSGM_pZwsmY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eQxYpDh ... re=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wDxlrij ... re=related

That's live. Smartass.

So what I was listening to was live and not a recording? Wow, Neal found the fountain of youth and someone better break the news to Arnel that he's out!!! Anyone seen Cronin lately?

Which album are these versions off of?

[Saint John]

True but they weren't recorded with Fleischman.

Then what's this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSGM_pZwsmY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eQxYpDh ... re=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wDxlrij ... re=related

That's live. Smartass.

So what I was listening to was live and not a recording? Wow, Neal found the fountain of youth and someone better break the news to Arnel that he's out!!! Anyone seen Cronin lately?

I believe you know very well what I meant. Alright, FINE... those are recorded live performances... better? And if management/marketing (by which I mean HH) thought the album recordings were gonna be any good with that guy's voice, they wouldn't have ninjaed Steve Fucking Perry in behind the curtain to do it the right way.

As for Kevin Cronin, ain't no fountain of youth gonna help that goony bastard.

You bring up a great point! When Fleishman was ousted and Perry walked in almost while he was singing a song I wonder if his fans bitched and moaned as much as the Soto fans did when he was released? Probably not. And shit, they took songs he had in the can and was performing!!! Unless of course anyone thinks that Winds Of Freedom is gonna be cracking the setlist anytime soon!!!

[bluejeangirl76]

You bring up a great point! When Fleishman was ousted and Perry walked in almost while he was singing a song I wonder if his fans bitched and moaned as much as the Soto fans did when he was released? Probably not. And shit, they took songs he had in the can and was performing!!! Unless of course anyone thinks that Winds Of Freedom is gonna be cracking the setlist anytime soon!!!

Well, I never said it wasn't a scummy way to go about it. I just said it happened.
And I *did* include Fleischman when I created Mount Crushmore.

[kgdjpubs]

Nobody screamed too much when they were recorded.

I did. I screamed a lot.

You must've missed an episode or two!!!

No I didn't... I thought that statement meant that no one screamed much when those re-records were done and I said I screamed a lot. What'd I miss?

actually, the original statement meant that the songs WERE rerecorded with Augeri for radio stuff, and nobody screamed a lot.

And for the record, there does at least exist the studio demo of Fleischman on vocals for Wheel in the Sky. Perry's version is the cover. A cover of a song never before released, but a cover nonetheless.-

[jrnyman28]

This is just stupid!! I got the FITHL thing, but TPIYH!! Damn Neal, redo WAFTE. Now that song deserves to be heard!

That song deserves to be heard...but not re-recorded. It is about perfect!!

[jrnyman28]

Ya know, even I believed that the re-records were a demand by WalMart. So what is the excuse now?