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by **Escape Artist** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 5:10 am

I can vouch for acid reflux messing with your voice, I have had this disease for quite a while now and after a bad night with it my voice is trashed for two days minimum, and that is just talking!

I hope Arnel gets well soon and hopefully this is all that is going on health wise, if not get him off the road until he is better for F**K sake!

by **Tito** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 5:21 am

Escape Artist wrote:I can vouch for acid reflux messing with your voice, I have had this disease for quite a while now and after a bad night with it my voice is trashed for two days minimum, and that is just talking!

I hope Arnel gets well soon and hopefully this is all that is going on health wise, if not get him off the road until he is better for F**K sake!

I'm sure Journey offers world class health care. He'll be fine. If not, go to the tapes (short term). Tried to be live for Chicago though.

by **Pelata** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 5:21 am

They've probably left Kevin Chalfant a dozen voicemails...

by **bluejeangirl76** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 5:23 am

Pelata wrote:They've probably left Kevin Chalfant a dozen voicemails...

They wouldn't need to. I'm sure he'd pick up that call on the first ring. :lol:

by **brywool** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 5:27 am

conversationpc wrote:
Rick wrote:
Saint John wrote:Arnel is in the shout box right now. He says he has acid reflux...NOT bronchitis!!!

How hard is that to fix?

Dang...You can just take a Maalox, cough drop, or drink a glass of milk for that.

Wrong. I have this same thing and it really really f's up the voice. I'm on these expensive pills and I take two before I eat twice a day. It's a constant friggin' battle and it sucks.
I did read before that he had a chest cold and I believe that was from his chat transcript a week or so ago. Weird.

The problem with this is, the more medicine you take, the more the acid is there. It's like it gets trained by the pills to be more intense and it does more damage.

by **brywool** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 5:29 am

artist4perry wrote:
Saint John wrote:He says the acid got so bad that it came up and burned his vocal chords.

It is VERY Painful!

see it's weird, I don't feel any pain, but the acid definitely fries the chords, especially when sleeping.

by **Don** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 5:48 am

Cheap Trick 1 hour, Heart 2 hours, keep it rolling. Have Ann sing all the tracks off of Infinty.

by **Rick** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 5:49 am

Gunbot wrote:Cheap Trick 1 hour, Heart 2 hours, keep it rolling. Have Ann sing all the tracks off of Infinty.

Dude that might just be fucking awesome.

by **strangegrey** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 7:17 am

Tito wrote:I'm sure Journey offers world class health care. He'll be fine. If not, go to the tapes (short term). Tried to be live for Chicago though.

Are you fucking mad!??!!

It's comments like this that make me scratch my head repeatedly. Journey took this route once before and certain members of this very community engaged in full-scale effort to engage in career homicide of Journey's singer at the time, Steve Augeri. Others condoned the behavior, looked the other way or supported it quietly....Who cares about their motives, although, impulsively, I can't help to state that some knew full-well who the likely replacement was going to be.

Regardless, that fucking slipperly slope of employing tapes is the reason we're into singer #3 in 2 years. I'm sure some of you think that's a good thing...

...but holy fuck!

holy fuuuuuuuck!!!!

To even suggest this as a short term solution is madness and idiocy.

I'm sorry, given the history, actions and statements of this band and the fans that support it despite it's actions.....Arnel should burn or float on his own two feet. I *told* people that Arnel was eventually going to have problems singing this catalog under this schedule. Do some fucking searches, I don't even have to say "I told you so!"....I already have!

The retorts at the time? Were mostly from people attesting to Arnel's hardiness and ability to cover this material better than the previous singers...and that he was going to prove himself beyond a shadow of anyone's doubt.

So now, the first sign of adversity and people are suggesting to tuck tail and bring out the fucking memorex!!!!! The very thing that started this whole fucking mess to begin with.

I'm dumbfounded at this very suggestion.

I'm sorry, Arnel was thrust into this situation, he should have been given FULL DISCLOSURE on what was expected of him by the band....and MORE importanly, the fans...to ensure continued support.

Sorry, Arnel has to do this with his own vocal chords. To resort to the use of memorex would singularly DESTROY any and all credibility that Arnel and Journey has, given what has occured in the past.

I would think, as staunch Arnel supporters, that you people would want the credibility to be held at the highest regard, above all else. Instead, you'd rather see them cheat their way through to the end of the tour.

Sad....

by **bluejeangirl76** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 7:20 am

strangegrey wrote:Are you fucking mad!??!!

...but holy fuck!

holy fuuuuuuuck!!!!

So you don't like the idea? :?:

by **Don** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 7:22 am

strangegrey wrote:
[size=150]Tito[/size] wrote:I'm sure Journey offers world class health care. He'll be fine. If not, go to the tapes (short term). Tried to be live for Chicago though.

I'm dumbfounded at this very suggestion.
Sad....

Enough said

by **strangegrey** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 7:23 am

Let me also add, where was outpouring of support in favor of using memorex during Augeri's tenure of the band????

Oh, wait...let me rephrase....

...why isn't this statement by Tito getting completely and utterly JUMPED on by the entire Melodicrock.com forums community....so that integrity doesn't get another pissing on.... :roll:

by **Michigan Girl** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 7:34 am

strangegrey wrote:Let me also add, where was outpouring of support in favor of using memorex during Augeri's tenure of the band????

I wasn't here for all that and did not learn about it until I came here, but of course you are right!!! :wink:

by **Don** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 7:39 am

When it comes to TITO, we all have a built in ignore button.

(unless it concerns Soto, then the chica's get rabid :lol:

)

by **bluejeangirl76** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 7:41 am

Michigan Girl wrote:
strangegrey wrote:Let me also add, where was outpouring of support in favor of using memorex during Augeri's tenure of the band????

I wasn't here for all that and did not learn about it until I came here, but of course you are right!!!

Yeah, he is.

It was a huge travesty for Perry to avoid m&g's and he was totally busted on for it. In fact with fans he STILL gets busted on for shit like that.

But with Arnel its the safe smart healthy thing. :roll:

The world damn near ended over using tapes 3 years ago.
But if it will help Arnel... :roll:

If it wasn't ok for Steve A then its not ok now.

by **strangegrey** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 7:47 am

Listen, anyone whos done any singing can completely understand the need to be a bit of a hypocondriac when it comes to touching things and shaking hands, etc....you have to wash your hands more than a surgeon.

However, this is all assuming that Arnel's current troubles are tied to a M&G and/or fan contact. I'm not so sure the suggestion to temporarily go to memorex is in line with that.

Every damn singer out there gets sick. There's no way around it. As a professional singer, you learn how to sing while sick (with exceptions to certain kinds of 'sick' where singing would do more damage). If we're suggesting that we they go to tapes with a mere acid reflux or bronchitis problem....when is it NOT ok to do so?

If someone's seriously floating the suggestion that tapes be used, then this is a more serious problem....and I rest my case regarding Journey's 2008 touring schedule and Arnel's voice. It was only a matter of time....

by **Don** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 7:47 am

No one think's it's okay (I think). No one even agreed or rebuked the post, it was such a ludacris statement. Tito was simply ignored for playing the troll.

by **Since 78** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 7:49 am

strangegrey wrote:Let me also add, where was outpouring of support in favor of using memorex during Augeri's tenure of the band????

Oh, wait...let me rephrase....

...why isn't this statement by Tito getting completely and utterly JUMPED on by the entire Melodicrock.com forums community....so that integrity doesn't get another pissing on....

Its not getting jumped on because of who said it. Although, I for one don't think its funny!

by **mick** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 7:51 am

No tapes, cancel dates instead!! Arnie has proven that he can cover the catalog, however, he is human and people get sick. Especially while touring!! May God give you a speedy recovery Arnel!!

by **strangegrey** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 7:57 am

Since 78 wrote:Its not getting jumped on because of who said it. Although, I for one don't think its funny!

That, in and of itself, is sad, given the history of this board and it's hateful and significant contributions to Steve Augeri's public hanging.

by **EightyRock** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 8:18 am

It's too bad Arnel is so sick they had to cancel. Alot of people who had tickets will be disappointed.

If anybody thinks a little reflux is all that would cause them to CANCEL a performance, then I've got some nice swamp land in Florida I'd like to sell ya! :shock:

Dude better do two things....get well SOON and watch his back. Looks like there was only one bionic Journey singer. Good thing none of the others had his tour schedule or the tour would be over before it got started.

How many shows has Arnel done so far this tour??? If anybody even gets a WHIFF of these guys going to tape, I bet there are plenty of old school Journey fans, journalists and classic rock DJ's ready to jump on it. I hope they learned their lesson from the Augeri fiasco....but this IS post-1998 Journey we're talking about. Musical integrity be damned. :roll:

by **Lora** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 8:19 am

strangegrey wrote:
Tito wrote:I'm sure Journey offers world class health care. He'll be fine. If not, go to the tapes (short term). Tried to be live for Chicago though.

Are you fucking mad!??!!

Yes, he is.

by **EightyRock** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 8:20 am

mick wrote:No tapes, cancel dates instead!! Arnie has proven that he can cover the catalog, however, he is human and people get sick. Especially while touring!! May God give you a speedy recovery Arnel!!

"Arnie" has proven that he can cover the catalog for a short period of time. He's sick now and they've cancelled a show. If he lasts any longer than Augeri, that's yet to be proven.

by **Don** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 8:25 am

Come get your new avatar, Tito

by **Don** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 8:26 am

EightyRock wrote:
mick wrote:No tapes, cancel dates instead!! Arnie has proven that he can cover the catalog, however, he is human and people get sick. Especially while touring!! May God give you a speedy recovery Arnel!!

"Arnie" has proven that he can cover the catalog for a short period of time. He's sick now and they've cancelled a show. If he lasts any longer than Augeri, that's yet to be proven.

I think Augeri actually went the first few years without really missing any time.

by **strangegrey** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 8:28 am

EightyRock wrote:"Arnie" has proven that he can cover the catalog for a short period of time. He's sick now and they've cancelled a show. If he lasts any longer than Augeri, that's yet to be proven.

Lasting any longer than any previous singer isn't the issue.

Proceeding forward with integrity IS the issue.

by **EightyRock** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 8:30 am

Let me add that I wish Arnel well and a speedy recovery. I absolutely wish no ill will on anybody. I just don't think that any of these singers realize (until they are in over their heads) how brutal that Perry-era catalog is. It's one thing to sing a few of those songs in rotation with songs by other bands in your bar band tour, but to do mostly all old Journey tunes for a couple nights in a row for an entire tour is gonna mess you up! I don't care who you are or how ready you think you are to do it. Now maybe some of the Pinoy fans who don't know much about the Perry era of Journey will understand why he is untouchable, and gain some respect for the past.

by **mick** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 8:37 am

Gunbot wrote:
EightyRock wrote:
mick wrote:No tapes, cancel dates instead!! Arnie has proven that he can cover the catalog, however, he is human and people get sick. Especially while touring!! May God give you a speedy recovery Arnel!!

"Arnie" has proven that he can cover the catalog for a short period of time. He's sick now and they've cancelled a show. If he lasts any longer than Augeri, that's yet to be proven.

I think Augeri actually went the first few years without really missing any time.

Because of the fact they are willing to let him rest I do think he will last longer than Augeri. If they had done the same with Augeri maybe he would still be around. Don't get me wrong I like Augeri, but there were certainly a few shows that should have been cancelled that Augeri did when he shouldn't have.

by **EightyRock** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 8:41 am

strangegrey wrote:
EightyRock wrote:"Arnie" has proven that he can cover the catalog for a short period of time. He's sick now and they've cancelled a show. If he lasts any longer than Augeri, that's yet to be proven.

Lasting any longer than any previous singer isn't the issue.

Proceeding forward with integrity IS the issue.

Proceeding forward with integrity is absolutely the issue, as long as they have a singer that lasts long enough for that to happen!

I'm just not seeing them cancel more dates as the tour continues, if Arnel isn't well. I see money trumping integrity at that point. There will either be tape, Deen singing along while Arnel sings as much as he can WITH TAPE, or a "temporary" replacement singer. Sound familiar? It's hard not to go there, since this was their m.o. the last time, and they have started with a show cancellation already.

by **strangegrey** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 8:42 am

mick wrote:Because of the fact they are willing to let him rest I do think he will last longer than Augeri. If they had done the same with Augeri maybe he would still be around. Don't get me wrong I like Augeri, but there were certainly a few shows that should have been cancelled that Augeri did when he shouldn't have.

Doubtful to say the least. Cancelling one show so he can rest is not going to make a grand difference here, if his problem is 'chronic' and/or persistant. Friga and Fro don't have a tolerance for this sorta thing. If it lasts beyond this one cancellation, look for turmoil.

MR

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