OT: Heart Asks McCain To Cease Using Music

[artist4perry]

maybe Journey should issue a statement about the usage of DSB..

something like
"As musicians we love fans to enjoy our music, doesnt matter what your political views are, now having said that we are honored to have our music played in both the Republican and Democratic Convention"

Perry would demand to know who the winner is gonna be before he gives consent to use it.

Good for him!

[epresley]

http://www.popeater.com/music/article/back-off-of-our-barracuda-maverick/161983?icid=200100397x1208735678x1200520883




Heart Attacks McCain Over 'Barracuda'

(Sept. 5) - Seventies rock group Heart is furious with John McCain for bucking a request to stop using their hit, "Barracuda," and is puzzled by the use of a song about "soulless" executives as the theme for his running mate, Sarah Palin.

"I feel completely [expletive'd] over," the band's Nancy Wilson told EW on Thursday night after their song was played following McCain's acceptance speech at the Republican National Convention in St. Paul. According to TMZ -- which broke the scandal, the band has filed a cease and desist order.
The tune was first played as a theme song for Palin, and the band acted swiftly. The band promptly issued a statement asking the campaign to stop use their music. "We hope our wishes will be honored," the band said. Tough luck. Following McCain's speech on Thursday night, what pumped through the speaker system? That's right ... "Barracuda."
"Sarah Barracuda" is Palin's high school nickname.

Nancy and her sister Ann issued the following statement to EW following the speech:
"Sarah Palin's views and values in NO WAY represent us as American women. We ask that our song 'Barracuda' no longer be used to promote her image. The song 'Barracuda' was written in the late 70s as a scathing rant against the soulless, corporate nature of the music business, particularly for women. (The 'barracuda' represented the business.) While Heart did not and would not authorize the use of their song at the RNC, there's irony in Republican strategists' choice to make use of it there."
Palin On The Trail

This is just the latest musical "no way" for McCain. In the early stages of his campaign, John Mellencamp ordered that they stop using his tune 'My Country.' In August, Jackson Browne got riled up when Ohio Rebublicans used his song 'Running on Empty' in an Obama attack ad. "In light of Jackson Browne's lifelong commitment to Democratic ideals and political candidates, the misappropriation of Jackson Browne's endorsement is entirely reprehensible," his lawyer said. Van Halen is another band that doesn't want their music used in the campaign. Their (possibly worst) song "Right Now" was used as the uplifting finale to last week's rally announcing Sarah Palin as McCain's running mate. "Permission was not sought or granted, nor would it have been given," the band's spokesman told TMZ.


Expect a similar reaction from the Halen brothers (so much for proofreading)if Obama were to use their music as well. "Van Halen are not political, they're just rock and roll." Right-leaning pop musicians can be hard to come by, leaving few safe choices for Republicans on the campaign trail. Political Machine pointed out a few GOP-friendly stars whose songs could possibly be cued up without objection: Donny Osmond, Ted Nugent, Gene Simmons, Kid Rock and Wayne Newton. (PopEater respectfully suggests "Cat Scratch Fever" by Sweaty Teddy)


John from Boston

But in all fairness, Heart had to quit playing songs from John McCain's favorite artist, Thomas Edison.

[Tomulator]

Heart or whatever group pulls crap like this must think fans are stupid. Just because a person running for Pres uses a bands/artists music doesn't mean the group supports them.

Exactly...but they have an image to maintain in liberal la la land and with Hollyweird. That's what it's really all about.

A BIG Amen to that one, SJ.

It's not "cool" to be a Repub.

[artist4perry]

Heart or whatever group pulls crap like this must think fans are stupid. Just because a person running for Pres uses a bands/artists music doesn't mean the group supports them.

Exactly...but they have an image to maintain in liberal la la land and with Hollyweird. That's what it's really all about.

A BIG Amen to that one, SJ.

It's not "cool" to be a Repub.

Yes, it might not be cool, but it beats being sheep!

[jrnyman28]

The fact is that a mojority of "listeners" DO equate the use of a song as SUPPORT from the artist. Why didn't we see this kind of backlash when Van Halen said this? This happens all the time. But I don't know how far back this goes. I seem to feel it really started with Clinton and Fleetwood Mac. I think Clinton effectively created the Fleetwood Mac reunion by using their song and having their permission AND support. Didn't he get them to perform it at one of the Conventions or Acceptances? By getting permission and support back then, it has created the perception of support now.

This idea was floated at the Journey Forum and I posted about the perception issue. The thread got closed with a comment basically stating that Journey does not get political...

[UncleKG]

It's Heart's intellectual property and therefore their permission should have been sought before the song was used - regardless of the forum.

Exactly. I love how all these "fans" are turning against them because of their political beliefs.

WHO CARES WHO THEY SUPPORT?????? They have a right to voice their opinions about politics, just as all of you are doing here on this very board.

They're ENTERTAINERS who are supposed to *gasp* ENTERTAIN YOU. If you like the songs, then that's ALL that matters.

To paraphrase Doug Stanhope, "Complaining that a band is liberal is like complaining that your lap dancer is a communist. The boobs are out! She's holding up her end of the bargain, so what are you bitchin' about?"

[Michigan Girl]

It's Heart's intellectual property and therefore their permission should have been sought before the song was used - regardless of the forum.

Exactly. I love how all these "fans" are turning against them because of their political beliefs.

WHO CARES WHO THEY SUPPORT?????? They have a right to voice their opinions about politics, just as all of you are doing here on this very board.

They're ENTERTAINERS who are supposed to *gasp* ENTERTAIN YOU. If you like the songs, then that's ALL that matters.

To paraphrase Doug Stanhope, "Complaining that a band is liberal is like complaining that your lap dancer is a communist. The boobs are out! She's holding up her end of the bargain, so what are you bitchin' about?"

[RedWingFan]

This idea was floated at the Journey Forum and I posted about the perception issue. The thread got closed with a comment basically stating that Journey does not get political...

Then how do they explain that crap B.S. filled song "Out of Harm's Way"?

[jrnyman28]

This idea was floated at the Journey Forum and I posted about the perception issue. The thread got closed with a comment basically stating that Journey does not get political...

Then how do they explain that crap B.S. filled song "Out of Harm's Way"?

Easy: That was a song to show support of the troops. It had nothing to do with why they are where they are...but gives some insight as to how they might have gotten there.

[RedWingFan]

This idea was floated at the Journey Forum and I posted about the perception issue. The thread got closed with a comment basically stating that Journey does not get political...

Then how do they explain that crap B.S. filled song "Out of Harm's Way"?

Easy: That was a song to show support of the troops. It had nothing to do with why they are where they are...but gives some insight as to how they might have gotten there.

Disagree. Lyrics stating that soldiers have no choice but sign up because there is no employment here at home, is nothing but a slam to the US. It also implies that our soldiers are nothing but talentless, skill-less grunts.

[RockitRide]

You should realize that you have to be a whiney ass liberal if you want to be part of the Beautifull People crowd. Is anyone surprised that these two airheads are bending over and grabbing ankle for Biden and his side kick 'Bama "The Organizer"? Maybe we will get lucky and they will promise to move to France if McCain wins.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Disagree. Lyrics stating that soldiers have no choice but sign up because there is no employment here at home, is nothing but a slam to the US. It also implies that our soldiers are nothing but talentless, skill-less grunts.

A disproportinate amount of servicemen do come from rural areas where industry is dead. That's just reality. I talked to Jon Cain about this song. There was no political intent.

[UncleKG]

Disagree. Lyrics stating that soldiers have no choice but sign up because there is no employment here at home, is nothing but a slam to the US. It also implies that our soldiers are nothing but talentless, skill-less grunts.

No, YOU have inferred that it implies that about our soldiers. Nothing in the lyrics suggests that. What it does suggest is that it can be tough to find a decent job in some Midwestern towns, as the manufacturing jobs have dried up in many towns. Complete fiction, right?

You're saying there aren't people in this country who sign up for the military because of things like the steady paycheck, the opportunities for education, etc., because there are limited opportunities in their hometowns?

Since this song is so "B.S.-filled," are you also suggesting that the post-traumatic stress syndrome they're referring to in the third verse is just a figment of these guys and girls' imaginations?

So, do tell....what, exactly, about the lyrics in this song are "B.S.-filled?" Mind you, I've never even heard the song, but I do enjoy it when people state their opinion as fact, especially to advance their own political beliefs and biases.

Here are the lyrics:

He grew up in some forgotten Midwest town
His Mama raised him well
Barely getting by but he'd be okay as far as he could tell
The plant in town closed ten years ago
Now an empty ghost ship stands
For the last nine months he's tried to find a job
But there's nothing to be had

So he signs up to fight for Uncle Sam
The only choice he's got
To fight a desert war in another land
Only to find peace or not
He's a moving target in a desperate place
Everyday's a twist of fate
His family wonders if he'll make it home
Knowing his faith's his saving grace

Now he's waking up in a strange land
Face an even stranger day
Brave ones standin' tall
Keep them all out of harms way

So they send him home to his family
Nursing wounds that no one can see
Certain sounds and smells trigger flashback spells
That rewind the tragedy
His memories hold him prisoner cause of the violence he regrets
What was his ticket out is his nightmare now
And a war he can't forget

Now he's waking up in a strange land
Face an even stranger day
Brave ones standing tall
Keep them all out of harms way

[Gin and Tonic Sky]

Disagree. Lyrics stating that soldiers have no choice but sign up because there is no employment here at home, is nothing but a slam to the US. It also implies that our soldiers are nothing but talentless, skill-less grunts.

A disproportinate amount of servicemen do come from rural areas where industry is dead. That's just reality. I talked to Jon Cain about this song. There was no political intent.

They certainly weren't trying to influence anyone by this song unless they were trying to convince America to play more Frisbee with their dogs because after hearing that song, thats all anyone wanted to do with that horrible pile of non music.

[Eric]

This idea was floated at the Journey Forum and I posted about the perception issue. The thread got closed with a comment basically stating that Journey does not get political...

Then how do they explain that crap B.S. filled song "Out of Harm's Way"?

Easy: That was a song to show support of the troops. It had nothing to do with why they are where they are...but gives some insight as to how they might have gotten there.

Yeah - the beauty of the song was it supported the troops without being political. The lyrics are like a lot of good Journey song lyrics, they merely talk about real life stuff.

[Lora]

It's Heart's intellectual property and therefore their permission should have been sought before the song was used - regardless of the forum.

Exactly. Politicians do not have the right to play songs without the consent of the artist. Doesn't matter which political party it is.

[stevew2]

Cain should play some Glenn Miller not fucking heart. I dont blame them for being piss off. Im sure his thinkin "Id was they would turn down that rock and roll"

[separate_wayz]

The song credits for "Barracuda" include not only Ann Wilson and Nancy Wilson, but also Roger Fisher (former guitarist) and Michael DeRosier (former drummer). Fisher was said to be "thrilled" at the use of the song, because under a licensing agreement, the song is licensed for public performance under a blanket fee paid by the Xcel Energy Center (in Minneapolis-St. Paul, MN, where the RNC convention was held) to ASCAP, the firm that collects royalties on behalf of composers and copyright owners.

Therefore, copyright law may not be on the Wilsons' side.

Fisher seems to be the only one with any common sense (and business sense), calling it was a win-win situation: Heart gets publicity and royalties, while the Republicans benefit from "the ingenious placement of a kick-ass song."

Considering that Heart is currently touring (and would directly benefit from additional concert seats sold), and that the use of the 31-year-old song could introduce it to a whole new generation, the Wilson sisters' decision seems doubly stupid (and probably not enforceable anyway).

[Enigma869]

This idea was floated at the Journey Forum and I posted about the perception issue. The thread got closed

Nice to see nothing has changed over at Jackass Talk! You're too good for that place, Dave!


John from Boston

[RossValoryRocks]

It's Heart's intellectual property and therefore their permission should have been sought before the song was used - regardless of the forum.

Exactly. Politicians do not have the right to play songs without the consent of the artist. Doesn't matter which political party it is.

They do if they pay the ASCAP fees. Being that the X is a public venue, it is nothing more than bumper music, and the fee is paid by the venue.

I know the artists hate it when politicians use their music without their "permission" but there is really nothing they can do about it as long as those performance fees are paid.

[RSParker]

http://www.popeater.com/music/article/back-off-of-our-barracuda-maverick/161983?icid=200100397x1208735678x1200520883




Heart Attacks McCain Over 'Barracuda'

(Sept. 5) - Seventies rock group Heart is furious with John McCain for bucking a request to stop using their hit, "Barracuda," and is puzzled by the use of a song about "soulless" executives as the theme for his running mate, Sarah Palin.

"I feel completely [expletive'd] over," the band's Nancy Wilson told EW on Thursday night after their song was played following McCain's acceptance speech at the Republican National Convention in St. Paul. According to TMZ -- which broke the scandal, the band has filed a cease and desist order.
The tune was first played as a theme song for Palin, and the band acted swiftly. The band promptly issued a statement asking the campaign to stop use their music. "We hope our wishes will be honored," the band said. Tough luck. Following McCain's speech on Thursday night, what pumped through the speaker system? That's right ... "Barracuda."
"Sarah Barracuda" is Palin's high school nickname.

Nancy and her sister Ann issued the following statement to EW following the speech:
"Sarah Palin's views and values in NO WAY represent us as American women. We ask that our song 'Barracuda' no longer be used to promote her image. The song 'Barracuda' was written in the late 70s as a scathing rant against the soulless, corporate nature of the music business, particularly for women. (The 'barracuda' represented the business.) While Heart did not and would not authorize the use of their song at the RNC, there's irony in Republican strategists' choice to make use of it there."
Palin On The Trail

This is just the latest musical "no way" for McCain. In the early stages of his campaign, John Mellencamp ordered that they stop using his tune 'My Country.' In August, Jackson Browne got riled up when Ohio Rebublicans used his song 'Running on Empty' in an Obama attack ad. "In light of Jackson Browne's lifelong commitment to Democratic ideals and political candidates, the misappropriation of Jackson Browne's endorsement is entirely reprehensible," his lawyer said. Van Halen is another band that doesn't want their music used in the campaign. Their (possibly worst) song "Right Now" was used as the uplifting finale to last week's rally announcing Sarah Palin as McCain's running mate. "Permission was not sought or granted, nor would it have been given," the band's spokesman told TMZ.


Expect a similar reaction from the Halen brothers (so much for proofreading)if Obama were to use their music as well. "Van Halen are not political, they're just rock and roll." Right-leaning pop musicians can be hard to come by, leaving few safe choices for Republicans on the campaign trail. Political Machine pointed out a few GOP-friendly stars whose songs could possibly be cued up without objection: Donny Osmond, Ted Nugent, Gene Simmons, Kid Rock and Wayne Newton. (PopEater respectfully suggests "Cat Scratch Fever" by Sweaty Teddy)


John from Boston

funny, i can rememember the 80, the sell out point, Nancy being used as the sexy one, and Ann, being used from the face up, just to sell records, to promote an image. i would be interested to see if sales when up from the exposure, but GOD Forbid someone , much less a republican using the music to have a party after a speech. its all about the moolah! Palin is better looking that both those chicks at the same time.

Ann, Nancy, Shut up, and be glad someone still listens to your msuic. they wont feel (expletive) over when they make a few more residuals from the sale of that greatest hits.

on a lighter note, vote for whoever you like. Its no one elses business. thats why they call it a secret ballot.

[Don]

It's Heart's intellectual property and therefore their permission should have been sought before the song was used - regardless of the forum.

Exactly. Politicians do not have the right to play songs without the consent of the artist. Doesn't matter which political party it is.

They do if they pay the ASCAP fees. Being that the X is a public venue, it is nothing more than bumper music, and the fee is paid by the venue.

I know the artists hate it when politicians use their music without their "permission" but there is really nothing they can do about it as long as those performance fees are paid.

Right. As long as the fees are paid and the music isn't specifically promoting a product or person, then artist consent is not necessary.

[Rick]

It's Heart's intellectual property and therefore their permission should have been sought before the song was used - regardless of the forum.

Exactly. Politicians do not have the right to play songs without the consent of the artist. Doesn't matter which political party it is.

They do if they pay the ASCAP fees. Being that the X is a public venue, it is nothing more than bumper music, and the fee is paid by the venue.

I know the artists hate it when politicians use their music without their "permission" but there is really nothing they can do about it as long as those performance fees are paid.

Right. As long as the fees are paid and the music isn't specifically promoting a product or person, then artist consent is not necessary.

I don't get why Heart would ask them to stop using it then. If anyone would know the rules about using their music, it should be Heart. You'd think so anyway. It'll be interesting to see if anything more is said on the topic by either side.

[Enigma869]

I don't get why Heart would ask them to stop using it then. If anyone would know the rules about using their music, it should be Heart. You'd think so anyway. It'll be interesting to see if anything more is said on the topic by either side.

Just a thought here, but perhaps Heart was just trying to make it VERY clear that they aren't supporters of McCain. I would suspect that they are quite aware of what the rules are. They probably just figured by going public, they at least send the message that they don't endorse the party using the music. Artists seemingly always want to make a political statement, and perhaps this was the only way to get their message out.


John from Boston

[treetopovskaya]

that was pretty lame of heart. i'm sure they have fans that are republicans. some people should just shut up & play music.

(someone should pick up jeff scott soto's "21st century" or "hey"! }=C)))

[styxman]

I sincerely hope McCain seeks permission in November to use the Monty Python track after the results are declared, as he'll have another Palin to contend with!
Always look on the bright side of life

[journeypower]

It's Heart's intellectual property and therefore their permission should have been sought before the song was used - regardless of the forum.

Exactly. Politicians do not have the right to play songs without the consent of the artist. Doesn't matter which political party it is.

do this sort of thing includes birthday parties? tell it ain't so.

[journeypower]

It's Heart's intellectual property and therefore their permission should have been sought before the song was used - regardless of the forum.

Exactly. Politicians do not have the right to play songs without the consent of the artist. Doesn't matter which political party it is.

They do if they pay the ASCAP fees. Being that the X is a public venue, it is nothing more than bumper music, and the fee is paid by the venue.

I know the artists hate it when politicians use their music without their "permission" but there is really nothing they can do about it as long as those performance fees are paid.

Right. As long as the fees are paid and the music isn't specifically promoting a product or person, then artist consent is not necessary.

I don't get why Heart would ask them to stop using it then. If anyone would know the rules about using their music, it should be Heart. You'd think so anyway. It'll be interesting to see if anything more is said on the topic by either side.

that's the sad thing about being a democrat.

[Lula]

It's Heart's intellectual property and therefore their permission should have been sought before the song was used - regardless of the forum.

and no doubt all you bashing heart would be praising them if the situation was for the dem convention. .

[journeypower]

It's Heart's intellectual property and therefore their permission should have been sought before the song was used - regardless of the forum.

Exactly. Politicians do not have the right to play songs without the consent of the artist. Doesn't matter which political party it is.

does this include the star-spangled banner theme?