Obama just eFF'd up BIGTIME

[RossValoryRocks]

Because it's "inconvenient" and would actually require them to THINK and CHANGE.

I don't have to "do" anything but grow older and die.

You can always try freezing yourself.

Hey, it worked for Cartman and Buck Rogers...go for it.

BAWAHAHAHA! Monker every once in awhile you hit a real good line! Dude that was funny!

[Monker]

Americans are radical optimists, in the best sense. Calling people "pigs" does not tap into that wellspring of good humanity.

Actually is does....watch the news tomorrow..this will not go unpunished..a certain wellsping of humanity known as WOMEN has just been tapped. For the good of humanity.

God I can't belive Barry was such a fool.

Voters are stupid. But, if they are so stupid as to worry about such petty comments then they deserved the 8yrs of Bush and whatever PitBull with LipStick they vote into office.

[Don]

How can you say there is no global warming, unless you haven't seen 'An Inconvenient Truth'.....the speed at which the polar caps are melting is ASTRONOMICAL.

The earth goes through these cycles all the time. From the Dark Ages through the Revolutionary war, we were in a mini-ice age. In the 70's we were warned of another bigger ice age coming. The caps are melting, no shit. In another 500 years half the planet could be frozen again. Mankind has been around for what? 100,000 years maybe. The dinosaurs were kicking it for 15 million years. We as a species are not going to melt the planet. We are not going to blow it up even if every nuclear weapon in the world is detonated at the same time. If there was a God like the one in that book, the bible, he would already be bitch slapping us for having the arrogance to think we are gonna change the weather to such a grand scale. Even in the early 1800's the temps were hotter than what they are now, and that was with out half the planet being industrialized.
Air pollution is a real problem, but thinking we're gonna play the role of Mr. Heat Miser is just crazy.

[Monker]

Another thing I heard today was that Sarah Palin's jab at BO regarding him being a 'community organizer' was a RACIST remark. HUH....? Say what???

I consider any remark mocking his community service to be FAR more offensive then what Obama has said.

In McCain's convention speech he called on all Americans to serve their country. If you don't like such and such to go out and become part of the solution to the problem. That is exactly what Obama did and yet Republicans feel a need to use it against. THAT is INCREDIBLY hypocritical - especialy when coming from a VP, contradicting what the Presidential canidate she is supposedly to serve under said.

To me, that is the same type of underhand bullshit that we have had to put up with for the past eight years and anybody who votes for it deserves four more years of deciet and lies and passing the buck to whoever is conviently there.

[Don]

Because it's "inconvenient" and would actually require them to THINK and CHANGE.

I don't have to "do" anything but grow older and die.

You can always try freezing yourself.

Hey, it worked for Cartman and Buck Rogers...go for it.

BAWAHAHAHA! Monker every once in awhile you hit a real good line! Dude that was funny!

Poor Mr. Disney would probably beg to differ.

[Barb]

Americans are radical optimists, in the best sense. Calling people "pigs" does not tap into that wellspring of good humanity.

Actually is does....watch the news tomorrow..this will not go unpunished..a certain wellsping of humanity known as WOMEN has just been tapped. For the good of humanity.

God I can't belive Barry was such a fool.

Voters are stupid. But, if they are so stupid as to worry about such petty comments then they deserved the 8yrs of Bush and whatever PitBull with LipStick they vote into office.

Would it be bad if McCain had said that in inference to Ms. Clinton?

[Barb]

Another thing I heard today was that Sarah Palin's jab at BO regarding him being a 'community organizer' was a RACIST remark. HUH....? Say what???

I consider any remark mocking his community service to be FAR more offensive then what Obama has said.

In McCain's convention speech he called on all Americans to serve their country. If you don't like such and such to go out and become part of the solution to the problem. That is exactly what Obama did and yet Republicans feel a need to use it against. THAT is INCREDIBLY hypocritical - especialy when coming from a VP, contradicting what the Presidential canidate she is supposedly to serve under said.

To me, that is the same type of underhand bullshit that we have had to put up with for the past eight years and anybody who votes for it deserves four more years of deciet and lies and passing the buck to whoever is conviently there.

I think they took that route because the Obama camp immediately diminished Palin's service as mayor and governor. No one is saying being a community organizer is bad or unimportant, but it's not the same as being a mayor or a governor and it certainly doesn't make you qualified to be POTUS.

[7 Wishes]

Would it be bad if McCain had said that in inference to Ms. Clinton?

Notice the word you're utilizing: "infer".

[RedWingFan]

Obama is too stupid to get out of his own way. Yesterday in Flint, Mi. (I passed his motorcade on US-23 on my way to work) He said McCain and Palin needed to come to Flint to see the shape of the economy....Yeah, Flint with it Democrat mayor, Democrat Governor and 2 Democrat Senators is a perfect microcosm to see the effects of Republican leadership. What an idiot the guy is.

[Barb]

Would it be bad if McCain had said that in inference to Ms. Clinton?

Notice the word you're utilizing: "infer".

Don't talk to me. EVER.

[Monker]

Americans are radical optimists, in the best sense. Calling people "pigs" does not tap into that wellspring of good humanity.

Actually is does....watch the news tomorrow..this will not go unpunished..a certain wellsping of humanity known as WOMEN has just been tapped. For the good of humanity.

God I can't belive Barry was such a fool.

Voters are stupid. But, if they are so stupid as to worry about such petty comments then they deserved the 8yrs of Bush and whatever PitBull with LipStick they vote into office.

Would it be bad if McCain had said that in inference to Ms. Clinton?

I really don't care what McCain says about Clinton. She isn't running and I wouldn't vote for her if she was.

[nolippin]

I fail to see the big deal.

Why was it OK for Palin to call all hockey moms pit bulls, but Obama uses a tired old saying and the Reps get their panties in a bunch?

[RossValoryRocks]

I fail to see the big deal.

Why was it OK for Palin to call all hockey moms pit bulls, but Obama uses a tired old saying and the Reps get their panties in a bunch?

Ummm...because she is a Hockey Mom...just like it is ok for blacks to use the N word but not whites, evidently.

[Barb]

I fail to see the big deal.

Why was it OK for Palin to call all hockey moms pit bulls, but Obama uses a tired old saying and the Reps get their panties in a bunch?

I'm assuming as a hockey mom, she knows they are tough as pitt bulls. Obama either knew what he was saying and took a shot at Palin - the audience certainly picked up on it ... or he is the dumbest man alive not knowing that particular choice of words would raise eyebrows.

[nolippin]

I think both instances are pretty stupid and petty.

I fail to see the big deal.

Why was it OK for Palin to call all hockey moms pit bulls, but Obama uses a tired old saying and the Reps get their panties in a bunch?

Ummm...because she is a Hockey Mom...just like it is ok for blacks to use the N word but not whites, evidently.

[Since 78]

Any one watching Larry King? Who is this woman?

[Monker]

I think they took that route because the Obama camp immediately diminished Palin's service as mayor and governor. No one is saying being a community organizer is bad or unimportant, but it's not the same as being a mayor or a governor and it certainly doesn't make you qualified to be POTUS.

Critiquing McCain's VP choice was going to happen no matter who he chose. There is no excuse for being so hypocritical about their critiques. If that is how they choose to be, then I do not not believe they deserve to be in office.

I also find it incredibly ironic that the party making this arguiment was founded by a President who was elected out of the House - after LOSING an election for the US senate. In some ways, I think Lincoln has more in common with Obama then he does with the leaders of his own party.

[nolippin]

Apparently, some hockey moms aren't sure she's speaking for them either.

http://canadianpress.google.com/article ... 6Hi2ECsMdw

From Canadian hockey moms to Facebook junkies, Palin is subject of hot debate
1 hour ago

WASHINGTON — Almost two weeks after her surprise pick as John McCain's running mate, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin remains a lightning rod for fierce debate, even among Canadian hockey moms.

Some dyed-in-the-wool Canadian hockey moms are doubting whether the Alaska governor can truly be of their tribe, joining a chorus of Palin critics that include feminists like Gloria Steinem to Facebook enthusiasts who have started up groups with names like "I Have More Foreign Policy Experience Than Sarah Palin."

"I don't know how she can possibly be a hockey mom if she has five kids and one is disabled and she's trying to become the next vice-president of the United States," Margot LeBlanc, a Toronto mother of three, said Tuesday.

"I have one child in hockey and I had two in hockey last year, and I'm at the rink four, five times a week," she said.

"I think Sarah Palin is trying to portray herself as being a regular person, but the people I know who are true hockey moms either work part time, work out of their home or have a really helpful spouse who' s sharing the load many nights a week."

Liz Goddard, one of the founders of the Edmonton-based website www.hockeymoms.com, suspects Palin's hockey mom-dom has more to do with politics than reality.

"She's a politician so she's going to use whatever she has to in an attempt to get people to relate to her and to tell them something about herself," she said. "But being a hockey mom is just one small part of what she's about, and people need to look at the issues and decide if being a hockey mom has anything to do with what she has to offer."

Palin's explosion onto the political scene after McCain stunned Republicans and Democrats alike with his choice of running mate has proven to be a gossip-obsessed society's dream come true.

Blogs, websites and tabloids are all hard at work casting doubt about the Alaska's governor's sincerity and buzzing with all manner of conspiracy theories involving the Palin brood.

It all reads like a story arc from the set of "The Young and the Restless." Among some of the more prevalent and sordid rumours, all of them utterly unsubstantiated:

-Sarah Palin had an affair with a former business partner of her husband's. The National Enquirer published the story, but has since offered up only a lukewarm defence of it after the divorce papers of the supposed "other man" revealed nothing detrimental to Palin. The McCain campaign has denied the story.

-Sarah Palin faked her last pregnancy and, in fact, newborn Trig is Bristol's baby, which would mean Bristol would be on her way to becoming a teenaged mom for the second time and, arguably, not paying much attention to her mother's insistence that "abstinence only" sex education is effective. The McCain campaign has also denied this claim.

-Levi Johnston, the apparent father of Bristol Palin's unborn child, will not marry his girlfriend because he has no interest in living in Washington and his parents are balking at the strong-arm tactics of the Palins.

Every day, some sort of new allegation about the Palin brood emerges.

The most recent involves a black teenager named Kevin who's claiming, via YouTube, that he is, in fact, the father of 17-year-old Bristol Palin's unwed child. He says they met and were intimate while he was visiting his uncle in Wasilla. His YouTube claims, largely believed to be a hoax, was garnering tens of thousands of views by mid-day Tuesday.

For political junkies, Palin is providing more fun than even John Edwards did last month when it emerged he'd had an affair with a woman who later gave birth to a child. Edwards has insisted that the child is not his.

Cal Jillson, author and politics professor at Southern Methodist University in Dallas, says that so far, it's a win-win situation for the Republicans.

"There is that old advertising adage that any publicity is good publicity, and so far she's been a boon to the Republicans - she met and far exceeded their expectations of her at the convention, and it could have been a disaster right from the start," he said.

"But as time goes on, and the focus goes back to McCain and Obama, I think you'll see people take a closer look at her positions and find them to be concerning, or even deeply troubling," Jillson said, referring to Palin's pro-life and pro-creationist beliefs.

Americans will get a closer look at Palin via a series of interviews that begin airing this Thursday with ABC's Charlie Gibson, who will be invited into the Palins' home for a sit-down interview with the governor.

The Republicans are also trying frantically to neutralize the chorus of voices who have derided them for their choice by subjecting Palin to serious cramming sessions on foreign policy and national security issues. She's apparently been getting schooled all week by experts while on the campaign trail with McCain.

Jillson isn't convinced those efforts will work in the end.

"I suspect that for many people, the idea of Sarah Palin as vice-president will remain a bridge too far due to some of her beliefs that simply don't resonate with most Americans."

I fail to see the big deal.

Why was it OK for Palin to call all hockey moms pit bulls, but Obama uses a tired old saying and the Reps get their panties in a bunch?

I'm assuming as a hockey mom, she knows they are tough as pitt bulls. Obama either knew what he was saying and took a shot at Palin - the audience certainly picked up on it ... or he is the dumbest man alive not knowing that particular choice of words would raise eyebrows.

[donnaplease]

I think they took that route because the Obama camp immediately diminished Palin's service as mayor and governor. No one is saying being a community organizer is bad or unimportant, but it's not the same as being a mayor or a governor and it certainly doesn't make you qualified to be POTUS.

Critiquing McCain's VP choice was going to happen no matter who he chose. There is no excuse for being so hypocritical about their critiques. If that is how they choose to be, then I do not not believe they deserve to be in office.

I also find it incredibly ironic that the party making this arguiment was founded by a President who was elected out of the House - after LOSING an election for the US senate. In some ways, I think Lincoln has more in common with Obama then he does with the leaders of his own party.

But Monker, they were being hypocritical in their critiques first. So it becomes a free-for-all in one-uppmanship, and it's sickening. I don't care which side you're on, THIS is no way to run a respectable campaign. But... criticizing someone's job duties (or lack thereof) and calling someone a 'pig' are 2 different things.

I personally take no issue whatsoever with the comments made about the fish, and the 'pig in lipstick' comment certainly creates a mental image... However, the fact that she used 'lipstick' in her speech just a few days ago and given the overly sensitive society we live in, it was just plain dumb to say it.

[tinylights]

Obama's lipstick on a pig comment was an obvious reference to Palin's lipstick joke during her speech just under a week ago.

He knew exactly what he was saying... It may be an old and often used phrase, but in over a year of campaigning he's never used it until now. And it's no accidental coincidence.

To call your VP opponent, who is a relatively attractive woman (especially compared to the woman he didn't choose), a "pig" is just so "un-presidential"! This would be like MCain going out saying "you can put a black man in a suit, but he's still a N*****" Which of course would never happen.

If Obama was trying to turn around the RNC bounce from the convention, he just f*cked up bigtime!

I'm not even a woman, and I'm very independent and open minded about a lot of things, but even to me, this crosses a line that should never be crossed by someone vying for the most powerful job in the free world. It was just personally destructive, and extremely sexist.

[nolippin]

Personaly, I thought she crossed the line when she made the original joke, but I didn't think it worthy of making news headlines.

Obama's lipstick on a pig comment was an obvious reference to Palin's lipstick joke during her speech just under a week ago.

He knew exactly what he was saying... It may be an old and often used phrase, but in over a year of campaigning he's never used it until now. And it's no accidental coincidence.

To call your VP opponent, who is a relatively attractive woman (especially compared to the woman he didn't choose), a "pig" is just so "un-presidential"! This would be like MCain going out saying "you can put a black man in a suit, but he's still a N*****" Which of course would never happen.

If Obama was trying to turn around the RNC bounce from the convention, he just f*cked up bigtime!

I'm not even a woman, and I'm very independent and open minded about a lot of things, but even to me, this crosses a line that should never be crossed by someone vying for the most powerful job in the free world. It was just personally destructive, and extremely sexist.

[RossValoryRocks]

Personaly, I thought she crossed the line when she made the original joke, but I didn't think it worthy of making news headlines.

Obama's lipstick on a pig comment was an obvious reference to Palin's lipstick joke during her speech just under a week ago.

He knew exactly what he was saying... It may be an old and often used phrase, but in over a year of campaigning he's never used it until now. And it's no accidental coincidence.

To call your VP opponent, who is a relatively attractive woman (especially compared to the woman he didn't choose), a "pig" is just so "un-presidential"! This would be like MCain going out saying "you can put a black man in a suit, but he's still a N*****" Which of course would never happen.

If Obama was trying to turn around the RNC bounce from the convention, he just f*cked up bigtime!

I'm not even a woman, and I'm very independent and open minded about a lot of things, but even to me, this crosses a line that should never be crossed by someone vying for the most powerful job in the free world. It was just personally destructive, and extremely sexist.

She was speaking driectly to the Hockey Mom's in the audience...you have to be kidding...

[nolippin]

There are many hockey moms who don't think she speaks for them either.

I'm just sick of mountains being made out of molehills. There is just too much happening in this world that needs to be addressed by candidates on both sides without putting so much energy into this kind of crap.

Like these:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1220967 ... whats_news

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id ... _article=1

Or those scientists at CERN who just may blow us all off the map tomorrow.

Personaly, I thought she crossed the line when she made the original joke, but I didn't think it worthy of making news headlines.

Obama's lipstick on a pig comment was an obvious reference to Palin's lipstick joke during her speech just under a week ago.

He knew exactly what he was saying... It may be an old and often used phrase, but in over a year of campaigning he's never used it until now. And it's no accidental coincidence.

To call your VP opponent, who is a relatively attractive woman (especially compared to the woman he didn't choose), a "pig" is just so "un-presidential"! This would be like MCain going out saying "you can put a black man in a suit, but he's still a N*****" Which of course would never happen.

If Obama was trying to turn around the RNC bounce from the convention, he just f*cked up bigtime!

I'm not even a woman, and I'm very independent and open minded about a lot of things, but even to me, this crosses a line that should never be crossed by someone vying for the most powerful job in the free world. It was just personally destructive, and extremely sexist.

She was speaking driectly to the Hockey Mom's in the audience...you have to be kidding...

[tinylights]

[quote="nolippin"]Personaly, I thought she crossed the line when she made the original joke, but I didn't think it worthy of making news headlines.


Are you F*cking joking?

Palin's remark was just plain humor... Her "lipstick on a pitbull" comment was meant as a positive attribute of hockey mom's alluding to the fact that they are tough and confident.

You can't say that there was anything positive in Obama's comment.

If you really think Palin's comments crossed any kind of line, you need to get a life! Like Major Pain said..."Take your mommy's titty out of your mouth and grow up a little bit."

[RossValoryRocks]

Or those scientists at CERN who just may blow us all off the map tomorrow.

Ahhh...I see...now I understand...

[Barb]

It was my understanding that there were hockey moms in the audience who distracted her because she seemed to go off track when she made that comment. One thing is for certain, SHE was not trying to be insulting. OBama was. I'm sure we haven't seen anyting yet. There's still almost 2 months left and this campaign is going to get evil.

[nolippin]

And you need to pull your head out of your ass and realize there are just more important things that need to be addressed in this campaign besides idiotic jokes...on BOTH sides.

Personaly, I thought she crossed the line when she made the original joke, but I didn't think it worthy of making news headlines.


Are you F*cking joking?

Palin's remark was just plain humor... Her "lipstick on a pitbull" comment was meant as a positive attribute of hockey mom's alluding to the fact that they are tough and confident.

You can't say that there was anything positive in Obama's comment.

If you really think Palin's comments crossed any kind of line, you need to get a life! Like Major Pain said..."Take your mommy's titty out of your mouth and grow up a little bit."

[RossValoryRocks]

And you need to pull your head out of your ass and realize there are just more important things that need to be addressed in this campaign besides idiotic jokes...on BOTH sides.

She was ad libbing while they fixed the teleprompter...and was acknowledging supporters who find it cool she is a Hockey Mom like they are.

Get a grip man...it precisely because we have no humor left in our politics that our country is how it is...

I direct you to the Reagan-Mondale debates where both candidates displayed humor and good natures regardless of their political differences.

Or hell...Kerry-Bush for that matter.

[Monker]

But Monker, they were being hypocritical in their critiques first. So it becomes a free-for-all in one-uppmanship, and it's sickening.

Oh, please. There is a difference between saying Palin is inexperienced and blah, blah, blah and RNC having an entire day of their convention dedicated to service and putting "country first", and all of the other BS...and laughing at someone for doing EXACTLY that...Then having McCain call out Americans to do EXACTLY WHAT OBAMA DID.

That is comparable to the insults, lies, and BS that Bush spread on McCain in 2000. I would never vote for Bush for that reason alone...and McCain is in the same boat with me. And, I really like McCain - always have...But, I will not vote for someone who alloways their party to act like that.

But... criticizing someone's job duties (or lack thereof) and calling someone a 'pig' are 2 different things.

Well, if the snout fits.

I personally take no issue whatsoever with the comments made about the fish, and the 'pig in lipstick' comment certainly creates a mental image... However, the fact that she used 'lipstick' in her speech just a few days ago and given the overly sensitive society we live in, it was just plain dumb to say it.

The entire conversation is irrelevant to me. I'm not voting for some cliche about hockey moms or some innuendo about VP pigs. Solving issues, volunteering, leading people and communities, and such are VERY important issues for this country and should NOT be mocked.

Like I said in the other thread it would be like an Obama ad that mocked McCain saying, "I don't know much about being President. But, I did stay in the Hanoi Hilton once." It's the same issue.

[donnaplease]

I think a little more light-hearted banter is just what we need. I'm sure those people at the convention were elated that the VP candidate could relate to them.