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Barb wrote:Saint John wrote: Had McCain said "I'm just calling a spade a spade" while referring to one of Obama's policies I wouldn't be a fucking coward and try to hide behind the "Oh, it's an old saying used all the time" spineless defense.
This world would stop spinning if McCain or ANY Republican said something like that. My God! They are even trying to intimate that the talk about community organizers at the convention was racist.
Monker wrote:Barb wrote:Saint John wrote: Had McCain said "I'm just calling a spade a spade" while referring to one of Obama's policies I wouldn't be a fucking coward and try to hide behind the "Oh, it's an old saying used all the time" spineless defense.
This world would stop spinning if McCain or ANY Republican said something like that. My God! They are even trying to intimate that the talk about community organizers at the convention was racist.
The Republican party and McCain should be embaressed by those comments by Palin, and especialy Guilliani.
Here they are, a convention full of people carrying "Service" sings, laughing at somebody choice to do community service. That was extremely hypocritical. Obama should have jumped all over that one...that was MUCH bigger mistake then making a lipstick comment.
Rhiannon wrote:MarcelJordan wrote:Rhiannon wrote:MarcelJordan wrote:Rhiannon wrote:RossValoryRocks wrote:...Lincoln said it...FDR said it...Kennedy said it...yeah...Scary...
But... but... they were all DEMOCRATS!!! It can't be possible!!![]()
Lincoln was a Republican
He was? Shit... I could've sworn I'd remembered him being a democrat. Maybe it's because of his whole "free the slaves" crusade masked over a regain the revenue from the South's cotton & tobacco bumper crops that made me think he was a dem. Yes, I said it, the Civil War was fought over $$ not people. You just need to read the right books and learn all sides of the stories, ya'll. Fuckin' Yankees had slaves, too.![]()
Random. Jeeze I'm ranty tonight.
It doesn't really matter to me whether Lincoln was a Dem or Rep. Eventually Americans (and Im not one) have to work together to solve their ills. Bickering is really very old and pointless.
True, but it ain't gonna happen. Trait of humanity. Some of us don't have the fire like others, but I saw a reference to the Crusades earlier and how long ago they were. How long ago there were is right now. Since the dawn of time man has been fighting for what he thinks is right and just. And that man he's fighting is fighting him for what he thinks is right and just. That's all.
7 Wishes wrote:I love this. Obama repeats McCain's thrice-utilized "lipstick on a pig" line and he is drawn and quartered. The next day, the McCain campaign comes out with a new ad that trashes a vote by Barack Obama to protect young kids from sex offenders and uses the most base fears about our children to smear him. But none of you is even slightly outraged by that? Unbelievable. Hypocrisy at its worst.
Barb wrote:Except the context was striking back at BO for diminishing Palin's experience as mayor and governor - AS IF he is so much more qualified. I love how you people leave out the relevant information to support your pathetic talking points.
Wildfire wrote:Therefore, it was decided that there should be an ice fishing contest between
the two candidates to determine the winner.
After much of back and forth discussion, it was decided that the contest take
place on a remote frozen lake in northern Minnesota .
There were to be no observers present, and both men were to be sent out
separately on this isolated lake and return at 5 P.M. with their catch for counting
and verification by a team of neutral parties.
Enigma869 wrote:Barb wrote:Except the context was striking back at BO for diminishing Palin's experience as mayor and governor - AS IF he is so much more qualified. I love how you people leave out the relevant information to support your pathetic talking points.
The comment Obama made wasn't remotely inflammatory. While I definitely agree with you that Obama is no more qualified than Palin, making the comment into something it isn't is really silly and simply gets all of these knuckleheads talking about anything other than the issues they should ALL be talking about. At the end of the day, most people wouldn't give a rat's ass if Obama came out and directly called Palin a pig. It really has nothing to do with anything!
John from Boston
Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama's campaign on Friday blasted his Republican rival's choice of Alaska Governor Sarah Palin as a running-mate, highlighting her "zero" foreign policy experience.
"Today, John McCain put the former mayor of a town of 9,000 with zero foreign policy experience a heartbeat away from the presidency," Obama spokesman Bill Burton said in a statement.
Monker wrote:There was no threat of terrorism in Iraq until we started a war there. We CREATED more problems by starting that war.
Barb wrote:i
s this not a demeaning statement?Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama's campaign on Friday blasted his Republican rival's choice of Alaska Governor Sarah Palin as a running-mate, highlighting her "zero" foreign policy experience.
"Today, John McCain put the former mayor of a town of 9,000 with zero foreign policy experience a heartbeat away from the presidency," Obama spokesman Bill Burton said in a statement.
Rhiannon wrote:Says who? ...Says every version of American History I've ever studied. Why do you think this country was founded? So we could burn down a bowl and hump trees?
wastingbeerz wrote:RedWingFan wrote:7 Wishes wrote: Gov. Sarah Palin: U.S. soldiers are in Iraq on a "task that is from God."
Wow. She REALLY sounds like W here. She is VERY SCARY.
OOOoooooohhhh. Scccccaaaaarrrrrryyyy....
Religion & politics mixing is what's truly scary. Those two things should NEVER be mixed.
wastingbeerz wrote:RedWingFan wrote:wastingbeerz wrote:RedWingFan wrote:wastingbeerz wrote:RedWingFan wrote:7 Wishes wrote: Gov. Sarah Palin: U.S. soldiers are in Iraq on a "task that is from God."
Wow. She REALLY sounds like W here. She is VERY SCARY.
OOOoooooohhhh. Scccccaaaaarrrrrryyyy....
Religion & politics mixing is what's truly scary. Those two things should NEVER be mixed.
You must get nightmares when you read the Constitution and the Declaration then. That must be Stephen King type stuff for you.
Actually, i should rephrase what I said initially. Religion & politics mixing to the extent they are now is what's truly scary. Religion should have NO influence on politics whatsoever.
Well like it or not. Religion/morality/right & wrong whatever you want to call it will never be removed from electing a leader. How could it?
Very simple. People could use reason, rather than belief. What is actually best for the country, rather than what their beliefs tell them is best for the country. The two can coexist, believe it or not. However, I do see your point, as entirely too many out there have absolutely no ability to separate the two.
Monker wrote:YES. If that is what you want to do and it isn't harming anybody else. I'm sure if some dude is dressed up as a tree, they won't like it much though.
This country was founded because we were being fucked by England. Yes, there were many religious faths...But, the bottom line is we were tired of taken England's crap.
So, you should have the freedom to be stupid.
The government's job is NOT to ensure that you act 'moraly'. The government's job should NOT be to tell you what to do with your sex life. The governments job should NOT be to tell you want kind of drugs you put into your body. The governments job should NOT be to tell you that you can't burn a flag.
wastingbeerz wrote:Rhiannon wrote:Barb wrote:Rhiannon wrote:Can one person stand up in here from the bickering and tell me you at least realize this the most pointless asinine discussion ever. It's not even a debate. You guys are running a "my horse is faster than your horse" contest. Both sides of you! No one is going to achieve anything or change anyone's mind and from an outsider's POV you're arguing the same shit over and over. Doesn't anyone see how redundant this is?
Uh... yah. That's how politics has always been. It's along the same lines as the Journey singer of the day v. Steve Perry threads.
I want a Steve Perry vs. Rambo thread.
Ok, well... Steve Perry's got "the voice" and Rambo's got exploding arrows so... I'd say the guy with the exploding arrows always wins in that contest... unless its a singing contest, but again, I have never heard John Rambo sing. Actually, I would pay big money to see that. So now they need to make a Rambo VS. Perry movie.
Saint John wrote:Monker wrote:There was no threat of terrorism in Iraq until we started a war there. We CREATED more problems by starting that war.
The same can be said about Libya and Afghanistan, moron. We learned from our mistakes and hit them before they hit us. We simply couldn't afford to let a rogue nation with an insane leader play shell games with weapons capable of making 9-11 look like a bar fight. You might take psychotic dictators that rape women and torture those that oppose him at his word, but the rest of the sane logical world doesn't. Go beer bong some battery acid, asshole.
RossValoryRocks wrote:Spoken by a person who has no prior military experience.![]()
You are a low life piece of shit, who's only pleasure is stirring shit. I wouldn't cross the road to piss on you if you were on fire, unless I could kick in the nuts while doing so. You and TNC are stains on the society of normal people. Really I mean that.
Please just go back under whatever rock you crawled out from under. This place was better when you stopped posting for a bit.
Barb wrote:Except the context was striking back at BO for diminishing Palin's experience as mayor and governor - AS IF he is so much more qualified. I love how you people leave out the relevant information to support your pathetic talking points.
Barb wrote:Except the context was striking back at BO for diminishing Palin's experience as mayor and governor - AS IF he is so much more qualified. I love how you people leave out the relevant information to support your pathetic talking points.
Barb wrote:Their immediate reaction was to mock that she was a small town mayor and completely disregard her experience as governor. They got what they deserved as far as I'm concerned.
Saint John wrote:RossValoryRocks wrote:There was no threat of terrorism in Iraq until we started a war there. We CREATED more problems by starting that war.
The same can be said about Libya and Afghanistan, moron. We learned from our mistakes and hit them before they hit us.
We simply couldn't afford to let a rogue nation with an insane leader play shell games with weapons capable of making 9-11 look like a bar fight.
You might take psychotic dictators that rape women and torture those that oppose him at his word, but the rest of the sane logical world doesn't.
Rhiannon wrote:The word "government" comes from "govern" which means to rule over. So if the government isn't supposed to tell me what laws to not break, and they're not supposed to tell me to not go fuck a corpse, and they're not supposed to tell me to not shoot up with Pine-Sol, and they can't tell me to not be a smart-ass disrespecting punk who burns the very symbol on which I'm awarded these rights to do as I damn well please, then what the fuck are they supposed to do?
Monker wrote:mikemarrs wrote:considering today is september 11 it got me to thinking about military and protecting america.it makes more sense to have someone like mccain in office who will stand up to terrorists and not compromise like obama would.obama was claming he would be willing to meet and talk with these enemies of ours but sometimes thats not exactly a wise thing to do.
There was no threat of terrorism in Iraq until we started a war there. We CREATED more problems by starting that war.
I doubt ANY potential President from EITHER party would have let 9/11 stand without a military action. But, there is approriate action, and stupidity. McCain, and anybody else who voted for the Iraq war, was acting out of stupidity.
7 Wishes wrote:You're all right. Palin is the voice of reason...of an insane asylum, that is. This should disqualify her from consideration on its own merit...if Obama were to have said this, you'd all be crucifying him.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080911/ap_on_el_pr/palin_interview
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