The 2008 US Presidential Election Thread

[7 Wishes]

So your one-sided posts and opinions are NOT reflective of the nation as a whole.

Wanna bet?

Absofuckinglutely.

And what is your source on the ten-point lead theory? Senator Wishful Thinking of Michigan?

[7 Wishes]

You don't put up irrefutable anything...you put up democratic talking points.

Get real. Most of us conservatives here are far less partisan that you are.

Yes, I do. And no, you DEFINITELY are not. I have friends - some conservative, incidentally - who lurk on this thread, and cannot BELIEVE some of the shit you people spew. Some of you are completely incapable of objectivity.

[RedWingFan]

So your one-sided posts and opinions are NOT reflective of the nation as a whole.

Wanna bet?

Absofuckinglutely.

And what is your source on the ten-point lead theory? Senator Wishful Thinking of Michigan?

It's called the Bradley effect or the Wilder effect. (thanks for the subtle reminder FactFinder ) Sorry you're so angry dude. Face it democrats can't put forward a quality candidate because they can't expose their socialist agenda. Not my fault!

[7 Wishes]

You REALLY need to quit reading the liberal rags...just go read electoral-vote.com and realclearpolitics.com.

Unlike the Hannity-and-O'Reilly worshipping dittoheads on this board, I read NO partisan blogs or sites. I get my news from yahoo.com and make up my own mind.

BTW...I appreciate the referral to electoral-vote.com! I'm celebrating!


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Unless my Liberal Eyes are deceiving me, the electoral college vote IS tied, and the Dems are about to go up 56-44 in Congress! Woo hoo! It's even better than I thought!

[S2M]

Face it democrats can't put forward a quality candidate because they can't expose their socialist agenda

Nutshell

You people are a microcosm of the whole political landscape.....Can't get along. Mudslinging here. Half truths over there. Look in the mirror. This is why nothing ever gets done in this country.....10 pages of absolute fucking nonsense. Unreal.

[RedWingFan]

Unless my Liberal Eyes are deceiving me, the electoral college vote IS tied, and the Dems are about to go up 56-44 in Congress! Woo hoo! It's even better than I thought!

Dear 7 Wishes,
Please take this little bit of advice from one who knows. Don't pop the champagne too early.
Sincerely,
Sen. John Kerry- D. Mass.

[RossValoryRocks]

You don't put up irrefutable anything...you put up democratic talking points.

Get real. Most of us conservatives here are far less partisan that you are.

Yes, I do. And no, you DEFINITELY are not. I have friends - some conservative, incidentally - who lurk on this thread, and cannot BELIEVE some of the shit you people spew. Some of you are completely incapable of objectivity.

We at least can see where the people we support have made mistakes, fucked up and generally got it wrong...YOU on the other hand seem to think your liberal idols can walk on water. Which is in keeping with your fearless leaders messiah complex!

I am WAY less partisan that you...I have castigated Bush repeatedly, and defended him where I thought it was appropriate...maybe you would do the same to Obama...if you could get your lips out of his ass for more than 2 seconds.

You realize you are a joke right??? The comments you make and the positions you take are a comedy fest for the rest of us. We look forward to your posts for the comedic value, and so at time we intentially bait you to see what screwed up

You don't analyze ANYTHING, you just reguritate what you read from the BO campaign webpages.

So keep posting your stuff man...I need a good laugh!

[7 Wishes]

Right. Whatever. Anyone with a brain can see from whence your agenda comes. I've admitted being wrong on this forum more times in the past two weeks than the five most offensive conservative posters have in nine years. Bull fucking crap.

[RedWingFan]

Right. Whatever. Anyone with a brain can see from whence your agenda comes. I've admitted being wrong on this forum more times in the past two weeks

This may be true. But you seem to have the memory bank of a fly. You admit to being wrong but come right back in arguing about the same crap you just agreed to.

[RossValoryRocks]

Right. Whatever. Anyone with a brain can see from whence your agenda comes. I've admitted being wrong on this forum more times in the past two weeks than the five most offensive conservative posters have in nine years. Bull fucking crap.

Offensive? Have you EVER read the shit you post? Most of us just react to your torrid ad hominem attacks in kind.

Really...you are getting even funnier...ever think of going on tour??? I will be your manager (for a small percentage) and get you into all the best clubs.

[RossValoryRocks]

Right. Whatever. Anyone with a brain can see from whence your agenda comes. I've admitted being wrong on this forum more times in the past two weeks

This may be true. But you seem to have the memory bank of a fly. You admit to being wrong but come right back in arguing about the same crap you just agreed to.

I particularly like when 7wishes says "I may still vote for McCain" and then just rips him and Palin for 3 or 4 posts...those are the best!

[RedWingFan]

Right. Whatever. Anyone with a brain can see from whence your agenda comes. I've admitted being wrong on this forum more times in the past two weeks

This may be true. But you seem to have the memory bank of a fly. You admit to being wrong but come right back in arguing about the same crap you just agreed to.

I particularly like when 7wishes says "I may still vote for McCain" and then just rips him and Palin for 3 or 4 posts...those are the best!

7 Wishes is alright. I like the guy!

[Monker]

So the big thing that the libs are working on this morning is that Palin didn't know what Gibson was talking about when he asked her about the Bush Doctrine. What do you all think about that?

I think she made herself look foolish by not wanting to admit she didn't know what he was talking about...and ended up attempting to answer the question three times.

[RedWingFan]

So the big thing that the libs are working on this morning is that Palin didn't know what Gibson was talking about when he asked her about the Bush Doctrine. What do you all think about that?

I think she made herself look foolish by not wanting to admit she didn't know what he was talking about...and ended up attempting to answer the question three times.

Well that made 2 of them that didn't know what the hell Gibson was talking about. So say's Charles Krauthammer who coined the phrase.
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[Monker]

NONE of this really argues against my opinion that Iraqi war made that country MORE dangerous, MORE of a terrorist threat. The entire terrorism argument was a fallacy and used 9/11 to boost the idea.

Afghanistan is a bad enough situation to be in. We didn't need to engage in an unneessary war in Iraq. Everything you say below could have been accomplished by the terrorism war in Afghanistan. Instead we divided the front, divided our effectiveness, and niether war has turned out as good as they could have.

As for the 'flip-flop' countires. Both of your examples (Lybia and Pakistan) are countries in dire need of an economic and cultural turn-around. Both need more friends and less enemies. To say Iraq is the sole reason why they 'flip-flopped' is over simplifying the reasoning.

By removing Iraq from the equation of the stability of power in the middle-east, we fundamentaly changed the equation. Nobody REALLY knows where Iraq will end up. As I asked YEARS AGO, what if Iraq 'votes in' an Islamic fundamentalist and become more like Iran and becomes THEIR ally?

I have NEVER made the 'oil' argument...except that this country is addicted to oil in VERY unacceptable way...again, an argument I made YEARS ago.

I remember when 'conservatives' were posting on forums like this saying Iraqi would PAY FOR THE WAR. What a bunch of bullshit they were being fed by the Republican party.

I remember a post back before this war started about Madonna making an anti-war video, and the poster laughing saying, "What if the war is over before the video is released?" Don't know if it was ever released, but, damn, I guess their expectations were WAY over-blown, or they knew it would take six years to make the video.

As for the surge, again, I argued - IN THIS FORUM - that if we had to put the US military on ever street corner in Iraq to stop the violence - then that is what we should do.

I haven't been giving a 'hindsight is 20/20" argument. I have been saying these same things SINCE BEFORE THE WAR STARTED. In fact, I didn't believe Bush would do it because I saw it such a STUPID decision...as RVR, he was there. The entire scenerio with Iraq was bullshit, and I thought that, and said so, FROM THE BEGINNING.

considering today is september 11 it got me to thinking about military and protecting america.it makes more sense to have someone like mccain in office who will stand up to terrorists and not compromise like obama would.obama was claming he would be willing to meet and talk with these enemies of ours but sometimes thats not exactly a wise thing to do.

There was no threat of terrorism in Iraq until we started a war there. We CREATED more problems by starting that war.

I doubt ANY potential President from EITHER party would have let 9/11 stand without a military action. But, there is approriate action, and stupidity. McCain, and anybody else who voted for the Iraq war, was acting out of stupidity.

Nonsense. The U.S. going into Iraq "flipped" two even more dangerous countries (who most certainly had WMD) over to our side, at least more or less so. Pakistan and Libya, especially Pakistan, also would have been far more difficult to deal with than Iraq, in a military confrontation. We even had Iran backpedalling for a while (and, yes, it was a mistake not to keep the tip of our sword at their throat.)

Iraq was sheltering at least some terrorists, and was also PAYING terrorists and their families. (The fact that those terrorists were acting mostly against a U.S. ally, and not us, is irrelevant.) After 911, stated U.S. policy was that this was unacceptable. Unacceptable means ... unacceptable (unless you are a lib, I guess.) Now I will grant you that Iraq CERTAINLY was not alone in the above misbehavior, but, quite frankly, Iraq made a very good "example". It certainly impressed the Libyans, among others.

There are hard, hard truths. One is that our enemies believe we do not have the stomach for a protracted, bloody fight, and they intended (and probably still hope to, with this election coming up) to take advantage of that. And, they are almost correct. The truth is, the initial overrunning of Iraq in a few days sent one message. But the more important message was that THIS TIME we would not leave Iraq until the job was done, regardless of the cost. This was much more difficult. And even more necessary.

Oh, I know, a troop surge in Iraq, earlier, might have been effective, as might have more troops from the get-go. Some Russians who were in Afghanistan not so long ago could perhaps offer their take on such. We have at least 100 million Monday morning armchair quarterbacks in this country to give it the 'ol "20/20" hindsight routine. But my opinion is that we have been very very lucky, and our military exceedingly competent, to have had such LOW losses in Iraq. And as for cost to the ordinary citizen, my friends, 95% of us have not felt 1/10th the effect in and to our lives, from the "war on terror", that the citizens of this country experienced in World War II. In fact, I would go so far as to say that our enemies probably still think "Americans are soft." But, they also know that there are enough who are not, that if our leader is not soft, they have a problem.

Don't get me wrong. At most we are on top, nearing the end of the 1st round of this renewed fight.

If you are guessing that my position is that the U.S. going into Iraq is only marginally about Iraq, and only slightly more marginally about oil, you are correct. I'd even say terrorism, and the sponsors of terrorism, are not even the most important aspect of going into Iraq. Even though either by accident, or deliberately, we drew the fight there, which has been advantageous to us in almost every way I can think of.

The most important part of all, of going into Iraq, is... look at a map... do I actually have to spell it out? (Hint, we are, with troops in Afghanistan, also on "the other side" of the mystery entity.)

[7 Wishes]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Sarah Palin is NOT John McCain. I DO like McCain, and I DON'T like Palin. Palin would make me FAR less inclined to vote for the pre-2006 McCain than just about anyone else he could have put on the ticket. So, no. I am NOT contradicting myself.

[Since 78]

Anyone notice that ML Baseball Teams don't shake hands with the other team after the game? Football players do though!! Just another thing thats wrong with this country!!

[7 Wishes]

True, but in Australian Penis Wrestling, it's required to slap the opposition's bare ass with a hand dipped in Crisco at the end of the match.

[Monker]

" Sleepers will one day rise and will give false hope for the seed has been planted"

"Without change something sleeps inside us, and seldom awakens. The sleeper must awaken. "

[Monker]

Well, McCain SHOULD know how to use email but, seriously, isn't it safer security-wise if he DOESN'T use email?

Well, since Bush wants to review EVERYBODY's Email, I suppose it is.

[RossValoryRocks]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Sarah Palin is NOT John McCain. I DO like McCain, and I DON'T like Palin. Palin would make me FAR less inclined to vote for the pre-2006 McCain than just about anyone else he could have put on the ticket. So, no. I am NOT contradicting myself.

UTTER Revisionist horseshit. You said you were considering it well AFTER he picked Palin.

You can even admit you are wrong when you KNOW the truth. Fuck. Keep em coming...I am laughing so hard my sides hurt.

EVERYONE here...and I mean EVERYONE sees what a piece of worthless propaganda machinery you are. Though we like it because it's funny!

The more you post, the more we come at you the more pissy you get, and the funnier!

Man you are class act I tell you!! Well worth the price of admission for the belly laughs you generate!

[Monker]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Sarah Palin is NOT John McCain. I DO like McCain, and I DON'T like Palin. Palin would make me FAR less inclined to vote for the pre-2006 McCain than just about anyone else he could have put on the ticket. So, no. I am NOT contradicting myself.

When McCain crossed the line into Rovian politics that he so hated in 2000, he lost my vote. He rose about the bullshit back in 2000, now he bathes in it.

[RossValoryRocks]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Sarah Palin is NOT John McCain. I DO like McCain, and I DON'T like Palin. Palin would make me FAR less inclined to vote for the pre-2006 McCain than just about anyone else he could have put on the ticket. So, no. I am NOT contradicting myself.

When McCain crossed the line into Rovian politics that he so hated in 2000, he lost my vote. He rose about the bullshit back in 2000, now he bathes in it.

Ever read your own post retard. Talk about a chip of the old Rove!

[Monker]

EVERYONE here...and I mean EVERYONE sees what a piece of worthless propaganda machinery you are. Though we like it because it's funny!

And, who is the one using 'ad hominem' attacks now?

You have used that accusation against both myself and 7 Wishes...and yet you do it as much as anyone else. Hypocrit.

[RossValoryRocks]

EVERYONE here...and I mean EVERYONE sees what a piece of worthless propaganda machinery you are. Though we like it because it's funny!

And, who is the one using 'ad hominem' attacks now?

You have used that accusation against both myself and 7 Wishes...and yet you do it as much as anyone else. Hypocrit.

Forgot an E shit-for-brains...and yes I am...I have sunk to your level...at least then you might understand what I am saying.

[Monker]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Sarah Palin is NOT John McCain. I DO like McCain, and I DON'T like Palin. Palin would make me FAR less inclined to vote for the pre-2006 McCain than just about anyone else he could have put on the ticket. So, no. I am NOT contradicting myself.

When McCain crossed the line into Rovian politics that he so hated in 2000, he lost my vote. He rose about the bullshit back in 2000, now he bathes in it.

Ever read your own post retard. Talk about a chip of the old Rove!

Absolutely...and if Obama used the "I don't know much about being President, but I did stay in the Hanoi Hilton once," I would be just as pissed at him as you would be.

The bottom line is those type of attacks are wrong. The McCain has being porring out the Willie Horton crap for a couple weeks now. He'll never get my vote for anything. I would love to have voted for him in 2000, but I would be embaressed to now.

[Monker]

EVERYONE here...and I mean EVERYONE sees what a piece of worthless propaganda machinery you are. Though we like it because it's funny!

And, who is the one using 'ad hominem' attacks now?

You have used that accusation against both myself and 7 Wishes...and yet you do it as much as anyone else. Hypocrit.

Forgot an E shit-for-brains...and yes I am...I have sunk to your level...at least then you might understand what I am saying.

I'm not the one going around with the ad hominem complex with other posters - YOU ARE. If you can't avoid it yourself, don't bitch about others.

[RossValoryRocks]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Sarah Palin is NOT John McCain. I DO like McCain, and I DON'T like Palin. Palin would make me FAR less inclined to vote for the pre-2006 McCain than just about anyone else he could have put on the ticket. So, no. I am NOT contradicting myself.

When McCain crossed the line into Rovian politics that he so hated in 2000, he lost my vote. He rose about the bullshit back in 2000, now he bathes in it.

Ever read your own post retard. Talk about a chip of the old Rove!

Absolutely...and if Obama used the "I don't know much about being President, but I did stay in the Hanoi Hilton once," I would be just as pissed at him as you would be.

The bottom line is those type of attacks are wrong. The McCain has being porring out the Willie Horton crap for a couple weeks now. He'll never get my vote for anything. I would love to have voted for him in 2000, but I would be embaressed to now.

But the nasty attacks on Sarah Palin from the left are ok? Fuck dude. McCain didn't go negative other than to say Obama is not ready to be President (and he isn't, even according to his VP choice) until AFTER they started in on Sarah Palin.

Did you actually READ the loathesome stuff said about her and her family written by the liberal bloggers the DAY of and the DAY after she was introduced at the VP choice?

How about what that nasty chairperson of the SC Democrat party said about her only qualification being she hadn't had an abortion?

Man...you think the right is nasty? You and the hard left fucks are simply repulsive.

[Monker]

But the nasty attacks on Sarah Palin from the left are ok? Fuck dude. McCain didn't go negative other than to say Obama is not ready to be President (and he isn't, even according to his VP choice) until AFTER they started in on Sarah Palin.

Did you actually READ the loathesome stuff said about her and her family written by the liberal bloggers the DAY of and the DAY after she was introduced at the VP choice?

How about what that nasty chairperson of the SC Democrat party said about her only qualification being she hadn't had an abortion?

Man...you think the right is nasty? You and the hard left fucks are simply repulsive.

Oh, please, I don't give a damn what the 'fucks' on the right or the left have to say.

I care what the canidates themselves say. What *McCain* has been doing is wrong. The attacks by Palin towards Obama's public service is WRONG. The scare tactics of the sex ad are WRONG.

But, I guess McCain knows how well the tactic worked against him with his abortion rights beliefs, and his illegitimant black child. So I guess he learned the lesson that winning at any cost, including the cost of his own honor, is the best and most affective way to win.

Funny how he says the worst time in his life was the time of the Keating Five hearings...because it questioned his honor. But, he has no worry about his honor when it comes to his own campaign.

[RossValoryRocks]

But the nasty attacks on Sarah Palin from the left are ok? Fuck dude. McCain didn't go negative other than to say Obama is not ready to be President (and he isn't, even according to his VP choice) until AFTER they started in on Sarah Palin.

Did you actually READ the loathesome stuff said about her and her family written by the liberal bloggers the DAY of and the DAY after she was introduced at the VP choice?

How about what that nasty chairperson of the SC Democrat party said about her only qualification being she hadn't had an abortion?

Man...you think the right is nasty? You and the hard left fucks are simply repulsive.

Oh, please, I don't give a damn what the 'fucks' on the right or the left have to say.

I care what the canidates themselves say. What *McCain* has been doing is wrong. The attacks by Palin towards Obama's public service is WRONG. The scare tactics of the sex ad are WRONG.

But, I guess McCain knows how well the tactic worked against him with his abortion rights beliefs, and his illegitimant black child. So I guess he learned the lesson that winning at any cost, including the cost of his own honor, is the best and most affective way to win.

Funny how he says the worst time in his life was the time of the Keating Five hearings...because it questioned his honor. But, he has no worry about his honor when it comes to his own campaign.

Dude have you ever READ what they are wanting to teach KINDERGARTENERS?! It's SICK. My daughter is in school and if they tried to teach her the shit Obama supports I would flip out!

You need to investigate it deeper.

McCain has more honor in his pinky than Obama and Biden have between them.

And you dodged the question...it's ok for the liberals to crucify Sarah Palin but it's not ok for McCain-Palin to fight back?? Bullshit...if someone comes at you swinging you swing right back.