The 2008 US Presidential Election Thread

[7 Wishes]

Not surprising, since all three of those Senators have long championed making housing affordable for middle-income families. Move along, Dave. Nothing to see here.

[RossValoryRocks]

Not surprising, since all three of those Senators have long championed making housing affordable for middle-income families. Move along, Dave. Nothing to see here.

Except (and you can take Obama of this list because he wasn't in the Senate) those 2 particular Senators were part of the coalition that pushed through the deregulation in 1999 that Clinton signed (Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act) that helped create the current housing and mortgage issue by relaxing lending rules.

[conversationpc]

Not surprising, since all three of those Senators have long championed making housing affordable for middle-income families. Move along, Dave. Nothing to see here.

Except (and you can take Obama of this list because he wasn't in the Senate) those 2 particular Senators were part of the coalition that pushed through the deregulation in 1999 that Clinton signed (Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act) that helped create the current housing and mortgage issue by relaxing lending rules.

...and, add to that if those three top senators were Republicans or Conservatives, you'd hear quite a bit about how they were taking money from special interests/lobbyists.

[RossValoryRocks]

Not surprising, since all three of those Senators have long championed making housing affordable for middle-income families. Move along, Dave. Nothing to see here.

Except (and you can take Obama of this list because he wasn't in the Senate) those 2 particular Senators were part of the coalition that pushed through the deregulation in 1999 that Clinton signed (Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act) that helped create the current housing and mortgage issue by relaxing lending rules.

...and, add to that if those three top senators were Republicans or Conservatives, you'd hear quite a bit about how they were taking money from special interests/lobbyists.

What?? Obama taking money from a special interest?? NEVER!

THEY ALL DO IT! Obama, McCain, Biden...they ALL do it.

They don't call the Senate the "Millionaire Boys Club" for nothing!

[conversationpc]

What?? Obama taking money from a special interest?? NEVER!

THEY ALL DO IT! Obama, McCain, Biden...they ALL do it.

They don't call the Senate the "Millionaire Boys Club" for nothing!

Agreed.

[Barb]

Obama is taking his teleprompter on the road with him.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/20 ... the-trail/

[Behshad]

Recent survey states that Obama lost about 30% of his votes from the afro-american voters, cause he promised them jobs

Sorry,, just had one them Kramer-moments.... back to topic,,,,

[Red13JoePa]

Just a word of warning to folks - I'm not going to invest too much of my time reading this thread....

If anything or one gets out of hand, please PM me. Too many other things to do.

u see Palin's calves in that interview with charley gibson? even you must have felt a deep stirring...

Best post in the thread.

[S2M]

[The_Noble_Cause]

Except (and you can take Obama of this list because he wasn't in the Senate) those 2 particular Senators were part of the coalition that pushed through the deregulation in 1999 that Clinton signed (Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act) that helped create the current housing and mortgage issue by relaxing lending rules.

Biden, Dodd, and Kerry did not vote for that Act.
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/vote.xpd?vote=s1999-105

Additionally, Gramm snuck in a 262 pg amendment at the 11th hour.
No Senator read it.

The focus of your ire should be on Gramm acting as McCain's chief economic advisor and as Treaury Secretary heir apparent.

The only reason Clinton signed the Act was to appease the Right, and slavishly kowtow to the Reaganomic/Washington doctrine of deregulate, deregulate, deregulate...

[conversationpc]

Except (and you can take Obama of this list because he wasn't in the Senate) those 2 particular Senators were part of the coalition that pushed through the deregulation in 1999 that Clinton signed (Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act) that helped create the current housing and mortgage issue by relaxing lending rules.

Biden, Dodd, and Kerry did not vote for that Act.
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/vote.xpd?vote=s1999-105

Additionally, Gramm snuck in a 262 pg amendment at the 11th hour.
No Senator read it.

The focus of your ire should be on Gramm acting as McCain's chief economic advisor and as Treaury Secretary heir apparent.

The only reason Clinton signed the Act was to appease the Right, and slavishly kowtow to the Reaganomic/Washington doctrine of deregulate, deregulate, deregulate...

Perhaps this is the one Stu was talking about, which all three of those senators voted for... http://www.govtrack.us/congress/vote.xpd?vote=s1999-354. This appears to be the final version that came out of the conference committee.

[RossValoryRocks]

Except (and you can take Obama of this list because he wasn't in the Senate) those 2 particular Senators were part of the coalition that pushed through the deregulation in 1999 that Clinton signed (Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act) that helped create the current housing and mortgage issue by relaxing lending rules.

Biden, Dodd, and Kerry did not vote for that Act.
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/vote.xpd?vote=s1999-105

Additionally, Gramm snuck in a 262 pg amendment at the 11th hour.
No Senator read it.

The focus of your ire should be on Gramm acting as McCain's chief economic advisor and as Treaury Secretary heir apparent.

The only reason Clinton signed the Act was to appease the Right, and slavishly kowtow to the Reaganomic/Washington doctrine of deregulate, deregulate, deregulate...

Thanks I was looking for the vote on that. I know the House was much less divided on it.

EDIT: That was the original...the final vote on passgae of the final bill that brought together the Senate and House versions was 90-8.
Kerry and Dodd and Biden all voted for the final passage.

Gramm I thought had kind of faded with the McCain campaign?? Is he still running the show on economics?

[The_Noble_Cause]

EDIT: That was the original...the final vote on passgae of the final bill that brought together the Senate and House versions was 90-8.
Kerry and Dodd and Biden all voted for the final passage.

I stand corrected. Doesn't surprise me, most Democrats don't act like Democrats.

Gramm I thought had kind of faded with the McCain campaign?? Is he still running the show on economics?

After the "nation of whiners" thing happened, it was reported that Gramm was out of the scene, but Novak and others say he's still there, just behind the scenes.

[RossValoryRocks]

EDIT: That was the original...the final vote on passgae of the final bill that brought together the Senate and House versions was 90-8.
Kerry and Dodd and Biden all voted for the final passage.

I stand corrected. Doesn't surprise me, most Democrats don't act like Democrats.

Gramm I thought had kind of faded with the McCain campaign?? Is he still running the show on economics?

After the "nation of whiners" thing happened, it was reported that Gramm was out of the scene, but Novak and others say he's still there, just behind the scenes.

Yeah and republicans are acting like republicans either...they ALL are acting like POLITICIANS instead of STATESMEN and STATESWOMEN!

It really chaps my ass to think we pay these cretins a boat load of money per yer to help fleece us!

[artist4perry]

[url]HOW QUICKLY WE FORGET.....IF ....WE EVER KNEW......

WHY WOMEN SHOULD VOTE

This is the story of our Grandmothers and Great-grandmothers; they lived only 90 years ago.

Remember, it w as not until 1920 that women were granted the right to go to the polls and vote.

The women were innocent and defenseless, but they were jailed nonetheless for picketing the White House, carrying signs asking for the vote.

(Lucy Burns)
And by the end of the night, they were barely alive. Forty prison guards wielding clubs and their warden's blessing went on a rampage aga inst t he 33 women wrongly convicted of 'obstructing sidewalk traffic.'
They beat Lucy Burns, chained her hands to the cell bars above her head and left her hanging for the night, bleeding and gasping for air.

(Dora Lewis)
They hurled Dora Lewis into a dark cell, smashed her head against an iron bed and knocked her out cold. Her cellmate, Alice Cosu, thought Lewis was dead and suffered a heart attack.Additional affidavits describe the guards grabbing, dragging, beating, choking, slamming, pinching, twisting and kicking the women.

Thus unfolded the'Night of Terror' on Nov. 15, 1917, when the warden at the Occoquan Workhouse in Virginia ordered his guards to teach a lesson to the suffragists imprisoned there because
they dared to picket Woodrow Wilson's White House for the right to vote. For weeks, the women's only water came from an open pail. Their food--all of it colorless slop--was infested with worms.

(Alice Paul)
When one of the leaders, Alice Paul, embarked on a hung er strike, they tied her to a chair, forced a tube down her throat and poured liquid into her until she vomited. She was tortured like this for weeks
until word was smuggled out to the press.
http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/collections ... soners.pdf

So, refresh my memory. Some women won't vote this year because- -why, exactly? We have carpool duties? We have to get to work? Our vote doesn't matter? It's raining?

Last week, I went to a sparsely attended scree ning o f HBO's new movie 'Iron Jawed Angels.' It is a graphic depiction of the battle these women waged so that I could pull the curtain at the polling booth and have my say. I am ashamed to say I needed the reminder.

All these years later, voter registration is still my passion. But the actual act of voting had become less personal for me, more rote. Frankly, voting often felt more like an obligation than a privilege. Sometimes it was inconvenient.

My friend Wendy, who is my age and studied women's history, saw the HBO movie, too. When she stopped by my desk to talk about it, she looked angry. She was--with herself. 'One thought kept coming back to me as I watched th at mov ie,' she said. 'What would those women think of the way I use, or don't use,
my right to vote? All of us take it for granted now, not just younger women, but those of us who did seek to learn.' The right to vote, she said, had become valuable to her 'all over again..'

HBO released the movie on video and DVD . I wish all history, social studies and government teachers would include the movie in their curriculum I want it shown on Bunco night, too, and anywhere else women gather. I realize this isn't our usual idea of socializing, but we are not voting in the numbers that we should be, and I think a little shock therapy is in order.

It is jarring to watch Woodrow Wilson and his cronies try to persuade a psychiatrist to declare Alice Paul insane so that she could be permanently institutionalized. And it is inspiring to watch the doctor refuse. Alice Paul was stron g, he said, and brave. That didn't make her crazy.

The doctor admonished the men: 'Courage in women is often mistaken for insanity.'

Please, if you are so inclined, pass this on to all the women you know.

We need to get out and vote and use this right that was fought so hard for by these very courageous women. Whether you vote democratic, republican or independent party - remember to vote.

History is being made.








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[tinylights]

Came across some funny swag... Especially the Iron Palin stuff...

http://www.cafepress.com/strangeland2008
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[RedWingFan]

Haven't seen anyone mention this little tidbit. Who's gonna be the first resident lib to defend this?

http://www.nypost.com/seven/09152008/po ... htm?page=0

"While campaigning in public for a speedy withdrawal of US troops from Iraq, Sen. Barack Obama has tried in private to persuade Iraqi leaders to delay an agreement on a draw-down of the American military presence. According to Iraqi Foreign Minister Hoshyar Zebari, Obama made his demand for delay a key theme of his discussions with Iraqi leaders in Baghdad in July. He asked why we were not prepared to delay an agreement until after the US elections and the formation of a new administration in Washington,' Zebari said in an interview. Obama insisted that Congress should be involved in negotiations on the status of US troops -- and that it was in the interests of both sides not to have an agreement negotiated by the Bush administration in its 'state of weakness and political confusion.' ... Obama has made many contradictory statements with regard to Iraq. His latest position is that US combat troops should be out by 2010. Yet his effort to delay an agreement would make that withdrawal deadline impossible to meet. ... According to Zebari, the envisaged time span is two or three years -- departure in 2011 or 2012. That would let Iraq hold its next general election, the third since liberation, and resolve a number of domestic political issues. Even then, the dates mentioned are only 'notional,' making the timing and the cadence of withdrawal conditional on realities on the ground as appreciated by both sides."

The Obama campaign denied this story by actually confirming it. They were also deft enough to mention that McCain's campaign commercial are equally as accurate. LANDSLIDE!!!!

Obama’s national security spokeswoman Wendy Morigi said Taheri’s article bore “as much resemblance to the truth as a McCain campaign commercial.”
In fact, Obama had told the Iraqis that they should not rush through a “Strategic Framework Agreement” governing the future of US forces until after President George W. Bush leaves office, she said.

[SteveForever]

anyone else notice that President Bush isn't saying anything as our huge banks, insurance companies, mortgage companies
and basically entire economy folds before our very eyes? where's the leadership?

[Barb]

Haven't seen anyone mention this little tidbit. Who's gonna be the first resident lib to defend this?

http://www.nypost.com/seven/09152008/po ... htm?page=0

"While campaigning in public for a speedy withdrawal of US troops from Iraq, Sen. Barack Obama has tried in private to persuade Iraqi leaders to delay an agreement on a draw-down of the American military presence. According to Iraqi Foreign Minister Hoshyar Zebari, Obama made his demand for delay a key theme of his discussions with Iraqi leaders in Baghdad in July. He asked why we were not prepared to delay an agreement until after the US elections and the formation of a new administration in Washington,' Zebari said in an interview. Obama insisted that Congress should be involved in negotiations on the status of US troops -- and that it was in the interests of both sides not to have an agreement negotiated by the Bush administration in its 'state of weakness and political confusion.' ... Obama has made many contradictory statements with regard to Iraq. His latest position is that US combat troops should be out by 2010. Yet his effort to delay an agreement would make that withdrawal deadline impossible to meet. ... According to Zebari, the envisaged time span is two or three years -- departure in 2011 or 2012. That would let Iraq hold its next general election, the third since liberation, and resolve a number of domestic political issues. Even then, the dates mentioned are only 'notional,' making the timing and the cadence of withdrawal conditional on realities on the ground as appreciated by both sides."

The Obama campaign denied this story by actually confirming it. They were also deft enough to mention that McCain's campaign commercial are equally as accurate. LANDSLIDE!!!!

Obama’s national security spokeswoman Wendy Morigi said Taheri’s article bore “as much resemblance to the truth as a McCain campaign commercial.”
In fact, Obama had told the Iraqis that they should not rush through a “Strategic Framework Agreement” governing the future of US forces until after President George W. Bush leaves office, she said.

Have you ever seen anyone more arrogant than this clown? I thought Kerry had that prize locked up for life.

As Bugs Bunny would say "what noyve".

Meanwhile, our ever diligent media is all over Sarah Palin buying her own tanning bed for her home. Now THAT is news worthy.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Meanwhile, our ever diligent media is all over Sarah Palin buying her own tanning bed for her home. Now THAT is news worthy.

Considering Lynn Cheney used Kerry’s tan complexion as a laugh line on the 2004 campaign trail, I don’t see why not.
Palin’s bogged down in a devil’s sandbox of the GOP’s own making.

[larryfromnextdoor]

anyone else notice that President Bush isn't saying anything as our huge banks, insurance companies, mortgage companies
and basically entire economy folds before our very eyes? where's the leadership?

are you being sarcastic???

[SteveForever]

anyone else notice that President Bush isn't saying anything as our huge banks, insurance companies, mortgage companies
and basically entire economy folds before our very eyes? where's the leadership?

are you being sarcastic???

no, something is seriously wrong with him I think....they are either covering for the guy or he and Cheney have
just given up completely....

[larryfromnextdoor]

anyone else notice that President Bush isn't saying anything as our huge banks, insurance companies, mortgage companies
and basically entire economy folds before our very eyes? where's the leadership?

are you being sarcastic???

no, something is seriously wrong with him I think....they are either covering for the guy or he and Cheney have
just given up completely....

wow.. hmmmm.

[7 Wishes]

Same old dirty tricks...
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/200809 ... tico/13516[/url]

I thought McCain had learned during the 2000 primaries, but apparently he has forgotten what Bush did to him in South Carolina.

It just goes on and on and on and on.

[RossValoryRocks]

Same old dirty tricks...
http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20080916/pl_politico/13516

I thought McCain had learned during the 2000 primaries, but apparently he has forgotten what Bush did to him in South Carolina.

It just goes on and on and on and on.

This isn't the McCain campaign though...it's an independent 527...same as Moveon.org. Will you criticize the democrat aligned 527's for doing the same thing to McCain?

They pretty much do what they want. Of course, McCain-Fiengold is to blame for them so I guess you could pin this on McCain that way.

[7 Wishes]

Now that I have seen them, yes. I think it's despicable from any angle on either side.

I wish these assholes would stick to the issues. The smearing and slandering and outright lies get very old.

[RossValoryRocks]

Now that I have seen them, yes. I think it's despicable from any angle on either side.

I wish these assholes would stick to the issues. The smearing and slandering and outright lies get very old.

It's what happens when we have politicians instead of statesmen. That and all the hangers on who want to grease their own political wheels by getting someone elected.

[Saint John]

anyone else notice that President Bush isn't saying anything as our huge banks, insurance companies, mortgage companies
and basically entire economy folds before our very eyes? where's the leadership?

I disagree with bailing these companies out. Let them fucking crumble. They did this to themselves. The president had nothing to do with these morons running companies into the ground.

[RedWingFan]

Haven't seen anyone mention this little tidbit. Who's gonna be the first resident lib to defend this?

http://www.nypost.com/seven/09152008/po ... htm?page=0

"While campaigning in public for a speedy withdrawal of US troops from Iraq, Sen. Barack Obama has tried in private to persuade Iraqi leaders to delay an agreement on a draw-down of the American military presence. According to Iraqi Foreign Minister Hoshyar Zebari, Obama made his demand for delay a key theme of his discussions with Iraqi leaders in Baghdad in July. He asked why we were not prepared to delay an agreement until after the US elections and the formation of a new administration in Washington,' Zebari said in an interview. Obama insisted that Congress should be involved in negotiations on the status of US troops -- and that it was in the interests of both sides not to have an agreement negotiated by the Bush administration in its 'state of weakness and political confusion.' ... Obama has made many contradictory statements with regard to Iraq. His latest position is that US combat troops should be out by 2010. Yet his effort to delay an agreement would make that withdrawal deadline impossible to meet. ... According to Zebari, the envisaged time span is two or three years -- departure in 2011 or 2012. That would let Iraq hold its next general election, the third since liberation, and resolve a number of domestic political issues. Even then, the dates mentioned are only 'notional,' making the timing and the cadence of withdrawal conditional on realities on the ground as appreciated by both sides."

The Obama campaign denied this story by actually confirming it. They were also deft enough to mention that McCain's campaign commercial are equally as accurate. LANDSLIDE!!!!

Obama’s national security spokeswoman Wendy Morigi said Taheri’s article bore “as much resemblance to the truth as a McCain campaign commercial.”
In fact, Obama had told the Iraqis that they should not rush through a “Strategic Framework Agreement” governing the future of US forces until after President George W. Bush leaves office, she said.

Have you ever seen anyone more arrogant than this clown? I thought Kerry had that prize locked up for life.

As Bugs Bunny would say "what noyve".

Meanwhile, our ever diligent media is all over Sarah Palin buying her own tanning bed for her home. Now THAT is news worthy.

Barb, I guess you're the only one who happened to read this. I'm sure all the Obama supporters here would have jumped right in here and cheered Obama's dispicable act.

[Lula]

i have something to say about that, but when i have time... for real