The 2008 US Presidential Election Thread

[RossValoryRocks]

Vehicular homicide is not just "messing up". Geez.

Actually yes it can be. If you were driving, obey all laws and being careful, but slid on a patch of black ice and wiped out a family that would be considered "vehicular homicide"...

The facts of what happened are NOT what Biden is presenting. He making political points on the backs of his dead family, a man who is no long here to defend himself, and a tragedy that touched both families.

It's wrong, it's disturbing and if you are going to hold the Republican candidates to a standard you should hold the Democrat cadidates to the same standard.

[7 Wishes]

The difference is, Biden's family was killed by a reckless driver.

McCain left his disfigured wife - who nearly died in an accident - one month later for a woman half his age.

[S2M]

And all these things determine how fit either is to run this country?

Get lives.....stop dissecting the minutiae.

[The_Noble_Cause]

No it was an accident. It happens. People sometimes mess up.

Using the legal term to amplify it and make it sound as if he committed a crime of different magnitude.

You don't find it wrong that in order to enhance Biden's own appeal he falsely accuses an innocent man of DUI and remakes what is already a tragedy into something worse, so that he can score points?

The guy nearly wiped out Biden’s entire family.
I imagine everyone in the same situation would have a few choice words or attributed character flaws about the person responsible.

Sure...as anyone would...however...making up lies about the person responsible to make the tragedy even MORE tragic to score political points smacks?

Come on...that is wrong...

Drunk or sober, I fail to see how the distinction makes the death of half his family any less tragic.
I also don't see how relating a human tragedy is scoring "political points."
Maybe if Biden were as prone to reciting it as Giuliani is with his 9/11 Tourettes, but he isn't.

[RossValoryRocks]

The difference is, Biden's family was killed by a reckless driver.

McCain left his disfigured wife - who nearly died in an accident - one month later for a woman half his age.

We aren't talking about McCain here...we are talking about Binden's actions...McCains actions were reprehensible too...

But you not seeing anything wrong in Biden flat out LYING about a DUI that didn't happen is disturbing. You will of course point out that it is ok since the republicans lie too...the republican lies are wrong too...but at least I can acknowledge that...you keep defending Biden based on what republicans do and that is just wrong period.

You cannot defend the actions of Biden on the basis of what someone else does. What he has done is either right or wrong, and the actions of Bush, Palin, McCain and any other republican you can name won't make it right.

[RossValoryRocks]

No it was an accident. It happens. People sometimes mess up.

Using the legal term to amplify it and make it sound as if he committed a crime of different magnitude.

You don't find it wrong that in order to enhance Biden's own appeal he falsely accuses an innocent man of DUI and remakes what is already a tragedy into something worse, so that he can score points?

The guy nearly wiped out Biden’s entire family.
I imagine everyone in the same situation would have a few choice words or attributed character flaws about the person responsible.

Sure...as anyone would...however...making up lies about the person responsible to make the tragedy even MORE tragic to score political points smacks?

Come on...that is wrong...

Drunk or sober, I fail to see how the distinction makes the death of half his family any less tragic.
I also don't see how relating a human tragedy is scoring "political points."
Maybe if Biden were as prone to reciting it as Giuliani is with his 9/11 Tourettes, but he isn't.

It's is a tragedy definately...but it wasn't a DUI in fact the driver of the tractor trailer wasn't even charged, so Biden is LYING about it to make it resonate more to score political points, and smearing a person who has no opportunity to defend himself, or didn't you read the whole article about it?

And again quit judging the action is regards to someone elses actions; wrong is wrong, not matter what side of the isle you are on.

[The_Noble_Cause]

The facts of what happened are NOT what Biden is presenting.

You make it sound as if his daughter and wife are still very much alive.
Throwing in the word "drunk" is not likely to woo any fence-sitting voters.
Again, mock outrage.

[The_Noble_Cause]

And again quit judging the action is regards to someone elses actions; wrong is wrong, not matter what side of the isle you are on.

I haven't mentioned anyone else's actions.
I just know certain topics are off limits.
Who are you to second guess this man's personal nightmare as he lived it?

[RossValoryRocks]

The facts of what happened are NOT what Biden is presenting.

You make it sound as if his daughter and wife are still very much alive.
Throwing in the word "drunk" is not likely to woo any fence-sitting voters.
Again, mock outrage.

The driver of the truck wasn't even charged!!!

How can you NOT be outraged that Biden would lie about the events? He is disparaging a man and family for his own gain.

It's not mock outrage, it's real outrage that he could or would do something like that. Go back and reread the article: http://www.delawareonline.com/apps/pbcs ... /809040379

The lead investigator even says the truck driver didn't do anything wrong!

[Barb]

The facts of what happened are NOT what Biden is presenting.

You make it sound as if his daughter and wife are still very much alive.
Throwing in the word "drunk" is not likely to woo any fence-sitting voters.
Again, mock outrage.

It may or may not have an influence, but why does he feel the need to embellish the story? I'm sure the family of the man is thrilled to have him referred to as a drunk driver.

It's just a stupid thing to lie about, IMO.

[RossValoryRocks]

And again quit judging the action is regards to someone elses actions; wrong is wrong, not matter what side of the isle you are on.

I haven't mentioned anyone else's actions.
I just know certain topics are off limits.
Who are you to second guess this man's personal nightmare as he lived it?

HE IS LYING, that is how I am second guessing it!!!

You are REALLY showing how out of touch with reality you are TNC.

[RossValoryRocks]

The facts of what happened are NOT what Biden is presenting.

You make it sound as if his daughter and wife are still very much alive.
Throwing in the word "drunk" is not likely to woo any fence-sitting voters.
Again, mock outrage.

It may or may not have an influence, but why does he feel the need to embellish the story? I'm sure the family of the man is thrilled to have him referred to as a drunk driver.

It's just a stupid thing to lie about, IMO.

http://www.delawareonline.com/apps/pbcs ... /809040379

Go read the article Barb...they are just devastated over this false allegation.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Far be it from me to second guess a guy who had to cast the first shovel on a one year old's grave...that's all I'm saying.
You can graft the worst deliberate motives onto what he said.
Personally, I think the whole issue is out of bounds.

[RossValoryRocks]

Far be it from me to second guess a guy who had to cast the first shovel on a one year old's grave...that's all I'm saying.
You can graft the worst deliberate motives onto what he said.
Personally, I think the whole issue is out of bounds.

If he brings it up, and lies while doing so, besmirching an innocent man and family, then it is certainly in bounds.

It is a tragedy and I feel for him that he had to bury his wife and daughter because it.

But he shouldn't be lying to score points and that isn't grafting anything, that is a simple statement of fact about what he did.

[The_Noble_Cause]

You're just to damned kind and gentle TNC. Of course you wont like the public hearing of this, so you wish it swept under the bus__er...rug.

It's getting crowded under Barrys rug/bus.

You want to stake your political party's future on impugning the rights of grieving parents, have at it.
If Joseph Farah hasn't yet beat you to it, might I suggest you start an online campaign to exhume the corpses?
One never knows how far this scandal truly leads..

You people are fucked up.

[The_Noble_Cause]

That would be tough to take. Wife and kid at the same time even tougher. They say time heals all wounds, yet Biden felt compelled to bring up this lie 29 years after the fact and after the truck driver is passed and can't respond. He did so at political functions in 2000 and 2001 for points and or sympathy (read: votes). It is beyond the pale what he did to that man.

Out of all the televised debates, Biden mentioned it maybe once.
As a staple on the Sunday talk shows, I rarely hear him ever go there.

If my wife or child was accidently killed and it was determined by everyone that the person who did it was not at fault, I can't imagine that I would go around and tell stories about that peson based on lies. The untold part in this Biden story is that evidently Mrs. Biden pulled out in front of that tractor trailer causing this accident. Now Biden is twisting the truth morbidly and lying about a dead man who did no wrong.

The allegation about Mrs. Biden was never proven.
Frankly, you don't know what Biden knows or what his motives are.
This is a losing issue, I hope the McCain camp is dumb enough to exploit it.

[7 Wishes]

Wow. The neo-cons here at at it again...hatcheting a guy whose wife and daughter were killed by a man who was ALLEGEDLY not drunk, but still DRIVING RECKLESSLY. Sure, go after Biden for that...but give YOUR guy the OK for lying about Palin...McCain being, of course, a guy who LEFT his still-alive just-crippled wife for a young mistress. Unbefuckinglievable.

[RossValoryRocks]

Wow. The neo-cons here at at it again...hatcheting a guy whose wife and daughter were killed by a man who was ALLEGEDLY not drunk, but still DRIVING RECKLESSLY. Sure, go after Biden for that...but give YOUR guy the OK for lying about Palin...McCain being, of course, a guy who LEFT his still-alive just-crippled wife for a young mistress. Unbefuckinglievable.

What is UNFUCKINGBELIEVABLE is that when a man was not charged AT ALL (GO READ THE ARTICLE 7) and the lead investigator said the truck driver did nothing wrong (He was never charged with ANYTHING) that Joe Biden would besmirch the guy saying he was drunk and try to capitalize on that tragedy.

Biden is a first class asshole for thrashing an innocent man, who has passed away, lived in saddness EVERY DAY after the accident, to make political points.

Again we can dissect McCain's issues if you like...most of us have said he was wrong...hell EVEN HE SAID IT!

You are so fucked up dude. You need meds or something. Your rabid hatred of all things conservative is disgusting. Truce over...you need to be purged from this board and this planet.

The gloves are off from now on, I am tired of playing nice when you obviously are deranged.

[7 Wishes]

Right, I'm fucked up for drawing a distinction between a man suffering the worst pain imaginable versus a guy who left his crippled wife for an heiress bimbo.

[RossValoryRocks]

Right, I'm fucked up for drawing a distinction between a man suffering the worst pain imaginable versus a guy who left his crippled wife for an heiress bimbo.

Did you see where I said McCain was wrong????

You NEVER say anything bad about anyone on your side, even when they are wrong.

You call the conservative/libertarians here neo-cons and yet you are the most partisan piece of shit I have ever seen.

We had a truce...I abided by it, you didn't truce over.

Prepare for the onslaught you piece of shit.

[7 Wishes]

Right. You're being conciliatory.

I'm talking about ISSUES. YOU are making it personal, and I'm not going to take the bait. Good afternoon, Stuart.

[7 Wishes]

Clinton always admitted how reprehensible HIS behavior was, but no matter how contrite HE is, he is still your whipping boy.

[S2M]

[Wildfire]

On or about October 5th, Biden will excuse himself from the ticket, citing health problems, and he will be replaced by Hillary. This is timed to occur after the VP debate on 10/2. There have been talks all weekend about how to proceed with this info. generally, the feeling is that we should all go ahead and get it out there to as many blog sites and personal email lists as is possible. I have already seen a few short blurbs about this - the "health problem" cited in those articles was aneurysm. probably many of you have heard the same rumblings. however, at this point, with this inside info from the DNC, it looks like this obama strategy will be a go. therefore, it seems that the best strategy is to get out in front of this obama maneuver, spell it out in detail, and thereby expose it for the grand manipulation that it is. so, let's start mixing this one up and cut the obamites off at the pass - send this info out to as many people as you can - post about it on websites and blogs - etc. etc.

[7 Wishes]

Well thought-out, eloquently written, and expertly regurgitated! Congratulations - you are now a full-fledged Dittohead!

P.S. Obama is now AHEAD in the polls. Palin's popularity is SEVERELY waning among non-conservatives.

[7 Wishes]

I know he did. I'm talking about his statements since he admitted that.

Don't even get me started on Presidents lying.

[RossValoryRocks]

On or about October 5th, Biden will excuse himself from the ticket, citing health problems, and he will be replaced by Hillary. This is timed to occur after the VP debate on 10/2. There have been talks all weekend about how to proceed with this info. generally, the feeling is that we should all go ahead and get it out there to as many blog sites and personal email lists as is possible. I have already seen a few short blurbs about this - the "health problem" cited in those articles was aneurysm. probably many of you have heard the same rumblings. however, at this point, with this inside info from the DNC, it looks like this obama strategy will be a go. therefore, it seems that the best strategy is to get out in front of this obama maneuver, spell it out in detail, and thereby expose it for the grand manipulation that it is. so, let's start mixing this one up and cut the obamites off at the pass - send this info out to as many people as you can - post about it on websites and blogs - etc. etc.

I will say it again...if it happens I will stand still and take the cum shot of every liberal man who has posted in this thread.

It will be political bukkake!

[The_Noble_Cause]

On or about October 5th, Biden will excuse himself from the ticket, citing health problems, and he will be replaced by Hillary. This is timed to occur after the VP debate on 10/2. There have been talks all weekend about how to proceed with this info. generally, the feeling is that we should all go ahead and get it out there to as many blog sites and personal email lists as is possible. I have already seen a few short blurbs about this - the "health problem" cited in those articles was aneurysm. probably many of you have heard the same rumblings. however, at this point, with this inside info from the DNC, it looks like this obama strategy will be a go. therefore, it seems that the best strategy is to get out in front of this obama maneuver, spell it out in detail, and thereby expose it for the grand manipulation that it is. so, let's start mixing this one up and cut the obamites off at the pass - send this info out to as many people as you can - post about it on websites and blogs - etc. etc.

First the Muslim email, then the Obama snubbed the troops email, now this...
Just how many times do you expect to be taken for a ride before the election is up?
Give me a break.

[RossValoryRocks]

I know he did. I'm talking about his statements since he admitted that.

Don't even get me started on Presidents lying.

Most of us have never attacked Clinton about his personal foibles...his policies yes...they are fair game.

[RossValoryRocks]

Right. You're being conciliatory.

I'm talking about ISSUES. YOU are making it personal, and I'm not going to take the bait. Good afternoon, Stuart.

You are in no way arguing issues...if you were you would be disgusted by Biden's lying about the events surrounding the tragedy to score political points.

You are far more brainwashed than any of the alleged "neo-cons" here.

You cherry pick statements from us here, and from the news to try and make your points but never actually address the issue. Typical liberal.