The 2008 US Presidential Election Thread

[RossValoryRocks]

Well thought-out, eloquently written, and expertly regurgitated! Congratulations - you are now a full-fledged Dittohead!

P.S. Obama is now AHEAD in the polls. Palin's popularity is SEVERELY waning among non-conservatives.

Polls had Kerry ahead and Gore ahead at this point in their election cycles too...

Polls don't really tell you much. Hell polls said Hillary was going to be President as recently as March.

[7 Wishes]

Whatever, Stu. Just because there are more people who share your political views does not make it alright for you to compare these two issues.

[7 Wishes]

And I'm the one who cherry-picks issues? Give me a break. NO ONE has responded to the information in Rick's email. NO ONE.

Because it's true. And the truth is going to KILL the Republican party in 2008.

[donnaplease]

If the truck driver was cleared of any legal wrongdoing, and never charged for any crime, would Joe Biden be considered guilty of slander and/or libel for making this claim? Would the man's family have a legal case against him? It seems to me that they would.

I can understand grief causing anger leading to inappropriate statements and skewed feelings. I also see it as a big mistake saying things like that publicly that are either blatantly false or non-proven. I'm sorry for his loss (I can imagine nothing worse than losing your family) but hope he isn't using them for political pity.

[RossValoryRocks]

Whatever, Stu. Just because there are more people who share your political views does not make it alright for you to compare these two issues.

Not issues, plural, ISSUE in the singular tense. Biden LIED about the tragedy, claiming a DUI. He smeared an innocent man who was never charged with any kind of crime, and whom even the lead investigator into the accident said was innocent. YOU have done the same thing by saying the man was driving recklessly to try and make some kind of point, and yet you were WRONG. He was never charged with reckless driving, had he been charged then there would have been a vehicular homicide charge as well...but there were NO CHARGES.

You don't think that is wrong for you and Biden to, at the best, strech the truth here and smear an innocent man and family???

This is why I think you are fucked up in the head and need meds. You don't scan right from wrong at all. It's only YOUR side is good and right, the other side is evil and wrong.

[RossValoryRocks]

And I'm the one who cherry-picks issues? Give me a break. NO ONE has responded to the information in Rick's email. NO ONE.

Because it's true. And the truth is going to KILL the Republican party in 2008.

We have ALL responded OVER AND OVER AND OVER...and YOU either don't see it, or ignore it. WE have addressed every single charge there since the beginning of this thread. AD NAUSEUM!

You sir, are wrong on all levels.

[Jana]

"ANDREW STATED: "That's right. If the USA can survive Bush, it can survive anyone and anything!"


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TRUER WORDS were never spoken, I thought, until the idea of McCain being elected, dying in office, and Moose Huntin', Pistol Packin', the-Iraq-War-is-a-task-from-God VP Sarah Palin is running our country.

[7 Wishes]

We have ALL responded OVER AND OVER AND OVER...and YOU either don't see it, or ignore it. WE have addressed every single charge there since the beginning of this thread. AD NAUSEUM!

You sir, are wrong on all levels.

Nope. You haven't addressed ANYTHING. Go back to Rick's email post and counter ONE THING said on it. Pleaes. NO ONE HAS.

[RossValoryRocks]

We have ALL responded OVER AND OVER AND OVER...and YOU either don't see it, or ignore it. WE have addressed every single charge there since the beginning of this thread. AD NAUSEUM!

You sir, are wrong on all levels.

Nope. You haven't addressed ANYTHING. Go back to Rick's email post and counter ONE THING said on it. Pleaes. NO ONE HAS.

EVERY single ones of those topics has been covered in this thread at one time or another.

EVERY

SINGLE

ONE

You are lost in the liberal wilderness.

[Rick]

And I'm the one who cherry-picks issues? Give me a break. NO ONE has responded to the information in Rick's email. NO ONE.

Because it's true. And the truth is going to KILL the Republican party in 2008.

Time will tell my friend..don't read this though, it may bum you out.

States of the unions


By Salena Zito
TRIBUNE-REVIEW
Sunday, September 21, 2008


YOUNGSTOWN, Ohio -- You just knew that when Joe O'Connell, former head of the local AFL-CIO, got on stage here with John McCain and Sarah Palin things were not going smoothly for the Obama campaign among union voters.

"I am a lifelong Democrat, an intelligent Democrat, who is supporting John McCain," O'Connell said last week as a crowd of 7,000 waved "Another Democrat for John McCain" signs and roared its approval


--snip--
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsbu ... 89297.html

I've looked up some 15 union webpages in order of membership, the top 10 million support Obama. As a matter of fact, I haven't found a union that doesn't.

[RossValoryRocks]

And I'm the one who cherry-picks issues? Give me a break. NO ONE has responded to the information in Rick's email. NO ONE.

Because it's true. And the truth is going to KILL the Republican party in 2008.

Time will tell my friend..don't read this though, it may bum you out.

States of the unions


By Salena Zito
TRIBUNE-REVIEW
Sunday, September 21, 2008


YOUNGSTOWN, Ohio -- You just knew that when Joe O'Connell, former head of the local AFL-CIO, got on stage here with John McCain and Sarah Palin things were not going smoothly for the Obama campaign among union voters.

"I am a lifelong Democrat, an intelligent Democrat, who is supporting John McCain," O'Connell said last week as a crowd of 7,000 waved "Another Democrat for John McCain" signs and roared its approval


--snip--
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsbu ... 89297.html

I've looked up some 15 union webpages in order of membership, the top 10 million support Obama. As a matter of fact, I haven't found a union that doesn't.

The unions always support the democrats...they thrive on the class warfare thing...there are plenty of union people who are going to vote for McCain over Obama, no matter the position of the union itself.

[Rick]

And I'm the one who cherry-picks issues? Give me a break. NO ONE has responded to the information in Rick's email. NO ONE.

Because it's true. And the truth is going to KILL the Republican party in 2008.

Time will tell my friend..don't read this though, it may bum you out.

States of the unions


By Salena Zito
TRIBUNE-REVIEW
Sunday, September 21, 2008


YOUNGSTOWN, Ohio -- You just knew that when Joe O'Connell, former head of the local AFL-CIO, got on stage here with John McCain and Sarah Palin things were not going smoothly for the Obama campaign among union voters.

"I am a lifelong Democrat, an intelligent Democrat, who is supporting John McCain," O'Connell said last week as a crowd of 7,000 waved "Another Democrat for John McCain" signs and roared its approval


--snip--
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsbu ... 89297.html

I've looked up some 15 union webpages in order of membership, the top 10 million support Obama. As a matter of fact, I haven't found a union that doesn't.

The unions always support the democrats...they thrive on the class warfare thing...there are plenty of union people who are going to vote for McCain over Obama, no matter the position of the union itself.

That, I know to be true. I know a couple of people where I work, despite jeopardizing life and limb, have admitted they'll vote for McCain.

[RossValoryRocks]

That, I know to be true. I know a couple of people where I work, despite jeopardizing life and limb, have admitted they'll vote for McCain.

I know people in unions who asked for the portion of their dues back that would be used for political purposes they didn't support (there is a law that is out there, but I can't remember what it's called) and were effectively black listed, and recieved a bunch of threats etc etc.

Nasty business. The big unions are some of the most corrupt organization in this country.

[Rick]

That, I know to be true. I know a couple of people where I work, despite jeopardizing life and limb, have admitted they'll vote for McCain.

I know people in unions who asked for the portion of their dues back that would be used for political purposes they didn't support (there is a law that is out there, but I can't remember what it's called) and were effectively black listed, and recieved a bunch of threats etc etc.

Nasty business. The big unions are some of the most corrupt organization in this country.

They're not any more corrupt than the companies they supply workers for. They're all in bed with each other. The union echelon are getting their pockets lined and the company is getting favorable labor contracts in return.

I look at the company I work for and my department is union and then I look at other nonunion workgroups for other companies, and we still have vastly better working conditions than them. So, for me, they're at least doing something.

If it were left up to Corporate America, we would all be earning $7.00 an hour, while they pay themselves millions and millions in bonuses.

Just after 9/11, our workgroup agreed to take a concessionary contract that reduced our pay and benefits by over 30%. All to save the company from what they called certain bankruptcy. The day after an agreement was reached, the company echelon approved for themselves millions in bonuses and a bankruptcy proof retirement. What they failed to realize, is that we hadn't formally ratified that contract yet. So we told them to go fuck themselves. It wound up being that the CEO resigned, the bonuses were rescinded, but I think they still got their bankruptcy proof retirement plan. That company is AMR. The most viciously corrupt company I've ever seen.

They tell us that their labor costs are the highest in the industry. All the while, we're one of the lowest paid. That's nothing but mismanagement.

We're under contract negotiations now, and they offered us a contract Thursday that was completely concessionary. This after they paid themselves millions in bonuses again back in the spring. It's no secret that everyone is watching as these fat asses continue to rob companies blind with outlandish wages, bonuses and stock options.

So when someone accuses labor unions of being corrupt, I laugh, because there's not a more corrupt group anywhere than those heading up the fortune 500 companies of this country. The wage disparity between management and labor continues to deteriorate. When I hired on 25 years ago, the CEO made 10X more than someone in my department that was topped out paywise. Now, the CEO makes over 100X more.

I know telling these things to Republicans just makes them snicker under their breaths, but I didn't have the ability to further my education to become a corporate thief, so I handle bags for a living.

[conversationpc]

I know people in unions who asked for the portion of their dues back that would be used for political purposes they didn't support (there is a law that is out there, but I can't remember what it's called) and were effectively black listed, and recieved a bunch of threats etc etc.

Nasty business. The big unions are some of the most corrupt organization in this country.

The first job I had was a union job. I'm glad I'm not in a union anymore. For the most part, my dues were wasted on the union keeping unqualified workers in jobs instead of allowing the company to fire them.

[Rick]

I know people in unions who asked for the portion of their dues back that would be used for political purposes they didn't support (there is a law that is out there, but I can't remember what it's called) and were effectively black listed, and recieved a bunch of threats etc etc.

Nasty business. The big unions are some of the most corrupt organization in this country.

The first job I had was a union job. I'm glad I'm not in a union anymore. For the most part, my dues were wasted on the union keeping unqualified workers in jobs instead of allowing the company to fire them.

There is still some of that, but they're trying to get rid of me.

[7 Wishes]

EVERY single ones of those topics has been covered in this thread at one time or another.

Right, OK. Whatever, Stu.

A hack job by Dave that doesn't actually address the issues is NOT a retort or a response. It's just an avoidance.

[7 Wishes]

Wow! You managed to find an article where Veterans turned out to support McCain? WOW!

[RossValoryRocks]

EVERY single ones of those topics has been covered in this thread at one time or another.

Right, OK. Whatever, Stu.

A hack job by Dave that doesn't actually address the issues is NOT a retort or a response. It's just an avoidance.

No one responded because we have talked about all those things. Go re-read the thread. They are all in there.

[7 Wishes]

It's funny...I went to see McCain in South Carolina in 2000, and there were only a couple of hundred people there. How times change...and how I wish THAT McCain was the candidate in 2008.

[conversationpc]

Right, OK. Whatever, Stu.

A hack job by Dave that doesn't actually address the issues is NOT a retort or a response. It's just an avoidance.

How was it an avoidance or hack job? Every time someone doesn't answer the question the way you expect them to or think they should, it's always a "hack job" or their just ignorant sheep of the Republican party. Good grief. For someone who's been proven wrong more times on this forum than I care to count, that sure is a pretty strident retort.

[7 Wishes]

For someone who's been proven wrong more times on this forum than I care to count, that sure is a pretty strident retort.

Oh, really? Please enlighten me, sir. You are the beacon.

[conversationpc]

For someone who's been proven wrong more times on this forum than I care to count, that sure is a pretty strident retort.

Oh, really? Please enlighten me, sir. You are the beacon.

Well, just within the last three weeks, you jumped right out there at the end of the Republican convention saying that McCain got no bounce. That was proven wrong. Just in this thread, you challenged anyone to provide an example of an Obama-endorsed ad that was blatantly false. Proven wrong again.

[7 Wishes]

Oh, and Dave...how is it I'm "wrong" when I brook an argument few people here, but a majority of Americans, agree with...but when you offer ideas, they are "opinions". Does that make you fallible? It doesn't seem so. What a nice, convenient, and typically neo-conservative perspective that is.

[7 Wishes]

Well, just within the last three weeks, you jumped right out there at the end of the Republican convention saying that McCain got no bounce. That was proven wrong. Just in this thread, you challenged anyone to provide an example of an Obama-endorsed ad that was blatantly false. Proven wrong again.

No, I was not wrong, David.

In my OPINION there was a difference between the outright LIES of the Palin ads and the guilt-by-association bullshit the Obama camp pulled.

And people here have been INSISTING McCain is still in front even though most polls now have Obama back in the lead. So that would make THEM wrong.

Go indulge yourself in your ignorance.

[conversationpc]

Oh, and Dave...how is it I'm "wrong" when I brook an argument few people here, but a majority of Americans, agree with...but when you offer ideas, they are "opinions". Does that make you fallible? It doesn't seem so. What a nice, convenient, and typically neo-conservative perspective that is.

I'm extremely fallible and have been wrong a number of times.

No, I was not wrong, David.

In my OPINION there was a difference between the outright LIES of the Palin ads and the guilt-by-association bullshit the Obama camp pulled.

Yes, you were wrong. The ad purposely misled Mexicans into believing, first that Limbaugh was voicing his own views when he wasnt, and second that McCain agreed with those views when McCain's and Limbaughs immigration views are far apart. Even the ABC journalist who wrote the article I referenced, realized that and pointed it out.

And people here have been INSISTING McCain is still in front even though most polls now have Obama back in the lead. So that would make THEM wrong.

I haven't said that McCain is still in front. The polls have been showing Obama in front for the last few days. I don't recall anyone here saying otherwise.

Go indulge yourself in your ignorance.

You're not doing so hot a job so far in proving me ignorant.

[Lula]

http://news-press.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080921/NEWS0107/80921022

Palin draws crowd of 70,000 in The Villages

THE VILLAGES -- Republican vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin told wildly cheering, flag-waving, chanting supporters Sunday that John McCain is "the only great man in this race" and promised he will fix the nation's economy if voters give the GOP four more years in the White House.

"He won't say this, so I'll say it for him," the Alaska governor said in an almost confidential tone at the close of her first Florida stump speech. "There is only one man in this election who has ever really fought for you. John McCain wore the uniform of his country for 22 years -- talk about tough."

The Villages, a vast, upscale planned community north of Orlando, has about 70,000 mostly adult residents -- many of them military retirees -- who vote reliably Republican in statewide races. Tens of thousands inched along roads into the picturesque town square of the complex, where they stood in sweltering heat for about four hours as local GOP officials and a country band revved up the crowd.

"Sa-Rah! Sa-Rah!" they chanted at every mention of her name, applauding loudly and waiving tiny American flags that were distributed -- along with free water bottles -- by local volunteers. The fire chief estimated the crowd at 70,000.

http://news-press.com/apps/pbcs.dll/art ... 7/80921022

"Sa-Rah! Sa-Rah!" they chanted at every mention of her name, applauding loudly and waiving tiny American flags that were distributed -- along with free water bottles -- by local volunteers. The fire chief estimated the crowd at 60,000.

not that i care, but this was too funny to pass up

[conversationpc]

Oh, and Dave...how is it I'm "wrong" when I brook an argument few people here, but a majority of Americans, agree with...but when you offer ideas, they are "opinions". Does that make you fallible? It doesn't seem so. What a nice, convenient, and typically neo-conservative perspective that is.

The majority of Americans do not agree with you. We'll see in 45 days who is right.

Having a majority of anyone agree with you on something doesn't make you right. That goes both ways.

[S2M]

Oh, and Dave...how is it I'm "wrong" when I brook an argument few people here, but a majority of Americans, agree with...but when you offer ideas, they are "opinions". Does that make you fallible? It doesn't seem so. What a nice, convenient, and typically neo-conservative perspective that is.

The majority of Americans do not agree with you. We'll see in 45 days who is right.

Having a majority of anyone agree with you on something doesn't make you right. That goes both ways.

Might DOES make right, Dave.....where you been, boss?

[conversationpc]

http://news-press.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080921/NEWS0107/80921022

"Sa-Rah! Sa-Rah!" they chanted at every mention of her name, applauding loudly and waiving tiny American flags that were distributed -- along with free water bottles -- by local volunteers. The fire chief estimated the crowd at 60,000.

not that i care, but this was too funny to pass up

People who chant and cheer for any political candidate drive me nuts. They don't deserve it.