Steve Perry Is Truly Finally Fading....

[Since 78]

I think the problem is people missunderstand that SP is the best vocalist for the music he had already did with Journey. Now the new stuff Journey is doing with AP... AP is the best vocalist for those. And the problems start when someone tries to apply AP to the previous SP work. IMO AP will never overshadow the music that SP did with Journey because SP is the best with that music, and on the same token, SP will never overshadow the music that AP is doing with Journey now. Though I could be wrong and SP may come out someday and sing some of the new songs by Journey and completely blow everyone away, but that has yet to happen and I do not think it ever will.

Now go hit yourself in the head with a hammer for even mentioning that.

I think hes starting early!!

[Don]

Probably San Miguel or Sapporo talking right there, that is.

[S2M]

JfromB has a way about him that rubs people the wrong way.  Glad I don't have to go up against him.  He used to give the folks at BT fits ... one of the few that could stand up to the Augeri jaggernaut (sp?).  Ah, just messageboard conflicts .... nothing personal.

You're absolutely correct, Annie.  It is absolutely nothing personal, on my end, at all!  If someone makes it personal with me, I'll go after their jugular.  Otherwise, I'm just here to amuse myself!  As for my manner that "rubs people the wrong way"...That's my intent!  I can tell you that I get no fewer than 5 PM's a week from people thanking me for telling someone off or just being a pain in the ass to someone.  I've never come here to make friends, so I honestly don't care who I piss off     I honestly just sign on to be amused...not to shake hands and kiss babies.  Message boards have never been about winning friends and influencing people, for me.  I LOATHE all politicians, and will never pretend to be one, here or anywhere else!  If I have an opinion, I express it.  If someone doesn't like that opinion, they're free to chime in.  I have a very fulfilling life, with a great family, friends, and a great business, so I just hang out here for some of the crazieness.  I'm too busy to be following Journey around on the road and have no desire to.  Again, I'm 38...not 18.  I have more pressing issues in life than to attend 1980's concerts.  I don't want my young son to think I've lost my mind, because I'm following a band from my childhood, from city to city, just because I "really like the music".  I do enjoy the music, but take none of it seriously.  Journey is as washed up as I am, at this point!  The difference is that they're been washed up, a hell of a lot longer than I've been!As for for Augeri fans over at Jackass Talk...you're absolutely correct that I went after them, and they all deserved it (at least the ones I went after).  Most of those fans were a complete embarrassment to Journey and Steve Augeri!  My targets over there were only the Augeri fans who had their heads up their ass.  The endless threads about how groovy Augeri's "wiggle" was, were simply fucking nauseating!!!!!!  The problem with that site is that there were endless pages of that bullshit, and the incompetent moderators on that site encouraged nothing but syrupy nonsense.  As long as Drew keeps Tito in check, hopefully none of that nonsense will ever make its way over here!  There were a handful of good people on Jackass Talk, but I simply couldn't take that place, so was forced to ban myself!  That site never has and never will represent the true Journey fan.  I've always felt like Journey should be completely embarrassed by their "official site" and the clown moderators who run it!John from Boston

Yeah.....well said. CJ and some other wanna be banned me a couple of times for 'steaming' on their pom-poms. I told them to take off the rose-coloreds - and that's all it took. That place was/is simply embarrasing.

Although I like this place better, some people have longer leashes than others. So I've learned to tread water. Too bad, really. But I'm glad you have free reign, buddy....

BTW, how'd you like the Pats game last night? 0-4 in Pre-season.

I got tix to the Kansas City game...it'll be my first.

[annie89509]

I think what JfromB meant by 99% Perry music is that SP either created or co-created (with the exception of WITS & Faithfully) AND sang on every one of those songs from Infinity-TBF. Unless you are a very early- or latter-day Journey fan, that pretty much covers their entire catalog.

As to the point that, if anyone takes the credit, it should be the addition of JC who pushed the band to superstardom status. For sure, JC brought more sophistication to the songwriting. Suddenly, the songs seemed to evolve into more meaningful lyrical contents - that stuck to the core of the listener's conscience. But, SP was still in the writing mix (he just didn't have to shoulder the burden of coming up with all the lyrics). Plus, he had to vocally deliver them. And, I think John is right that, melodically, it was all SP. Which is probably why he got lead writing credit on all the songs he had a hand in writing and singing.

Another point, the J-boys toured relentlessly all through the '70s (HH saw to that), building name recognition with the masses. By 1980, they were already known as "one of the hardest working and most popular American bands." I believe they were on the cusp of superstardom anyway. Who's to say how Escape would have turned out without JC? We only know, for sure, there would be no Open Arms.

Lastly, and admittedly from a biased perspective, I believe SP can sing any of the songs on Revelation. I have only heard each of them a few times, so anyone ... refute if you have to. I don't believe any song is particularly vocal challenging to sing - nothing a 1997 SP (with the I Stand Alone song as an example) can't handle. Other than Lora and Cyndy (and his inner circle), none of us have heard the present-day SP sing. For all we know, he can chirp like a bird !

[Enigma869]

Yeah.....well said. CJ and some other wanna be banned me a couple of times for 'steaming' on their pom-poms.

Can't say that I'm surprised by that. CJ sent me a personal email telling me that I wasn't allowed to be remotely critical of "Generations" (which I thought sucked) or to mention the fact that Augeri struggled singing the catalog (which he did)! That's just the way that place operates. Anyway...thanks to Drew for taking some of us refugees on, and giving us a place to express our thoughts, without him constantly in here telling us how we should feel!

That place was/is simply embarrasing.

If it weren't a band I love, I wouldn't care how they run their site. I just think only allowing members who have all the same opinion makes having a "discussion forum" beyond pointless!

BTW, how'd you like the Pats game last night? 0-4 in Pre-season.

Truthfully, I'm a football diehard and almost never watch pre-season football. Pre-season records are meaningless. The Patriots were 1-3 in the pre-season, when they won their first Super Bowl. Another point I think is VERY important to make here is that Tom Brady didn't dress one single game in the pre-season. Call me crazy, but I think old number 12 might make a small difference out there!

I got tix to the Kansas City game...it'll be my first.

They're a bad team, but Chiefs' fans are awesome fans, and Arrowhead is a rocking stadium. I think Larry Johnson is done, and KC will be lucky to win 5 games this season! Thank god football season is here.


John from Boston

[Rhiannon]

Thank god football season is here.

Amen.

[S2M]

Thank god football season is here.

Amen.

Love the Av....GOT PERRY?

[Enigma869]

99% Perry music! The bolded lines above are opinion, revisionist history, and bordering on absolute BS.

If you're going to quote me, quote me accurately! Nowhere in my post did I ever claim that Perry wrote most of this music on his own. I'm fully cognizant of the fact that it was a collaborative effort. When I say "Perry music", I'm speaking more of the voice that made the songs famous...not the person who wrote the music. 99% of all music fans could give a fuck who wrote a particular song! I'm not sure there is anything less relevant. It still doesn't change the fact that Perry did write or co-write more than 90% of Journey's catalog, while he was in the band!


John from Boston

[Liquid_Drummer]

Steve Perry is faded only because he choose it for himself.. The guy has such a hardcore fan base that he could have sustained a viable career with no problem.. I am from the camp that his voice has changed to the point that he doesnt like it himself and will not release anything. New album ?!? Maybe.. Tour... Fugedaboudit.....

[SusieP]

Bright stars do not fade.
They may burn themselves out, but they never fade. And if they do burn out they leave a black hole.

But thankfully this particular star left us a legacy of wonderfully sung and beautifully crafted songs to keep the memory of him very far from fading.

[artist4perry]

Bright stars do not fade.
They may burn themselves out, but they never fade. And if they do burn out they leave a black hole.

But thankfully this particular star left us a legacy of wonderfully sung and beautifully crafted songs to keep the memory of him very far from fading.

Nicely said, I for one will wait.........Patiently.

[SusieP]

Bright stars do not fade.
They may burn themselves out, but they never fade. And if they do burn out they leave a black hole.

But thankfully this particular star left us a legacy of wonderfully sung and beautifully crafted songs to keep the memory of him very far from fading.

Nicely said, I for one will wait.........Patiently.

It's what I feel.
The guy's voice stirred something within me from the first moment I heard him. And that hasn't faded.
He's very special.

[daltonsdad]

Bright stars do not fade.
They may burn themselves out, but they never fade. And if they do burn out they leave a black hole.

But thankfully this particular star left us a legacy of wonderfully sung and beautifully crafted songs to keep the memory of him very far from fading.

Nicely said, I for one will wait.........Patiently.

It's what I feel.
The guy's voice stirred something within me from the first moment I heard him. And that hasn't faded.
He's very special.

If you need a reminder go to Q95 online jukebox. It has videos and songs in wma. No distortion. Listen to ole Stevo and you be the judge, real or memorex. The real thing is clearly far beyond any copy although there are some very god and capable copies. They just are not the real thing!

[whirlwind]

Bright stars do not fade.
They may burn themselves out, but they never fade. And if they do burn out they leave a black hole.

But thankfully this particular star left us a legacy of wonderfully sung and beautifully crafted songs to keep the memory of him very far from fading.

Nicely said, I for one will wait.........Patiently.

It's what I feel.
The guy's voice stirred something within me from the first moment I heard him. And that hasn't faded.
He's very special.

It's what I feel also.
I believe that the fans that took the ride with Perry and Journey, to the top, will never accept any other Journey, just as Perry has said that he is not at all interested in any Journey but the one that he fronted. It's not that hard to understand.

His voice did stir something within us and he was the reason that we were moved. It does not happen often that a singers voice and stage presence can so captivate us and for me, Perry is my "Once In A Lifetime" rockstar.

I read a lot and I'm am starting to see references to "Old Journey" songs. Many of us are hardcore Journey fans and naturally appreciate only Perry singing the songs and if anyone else sings them, they are only paying tribute.

I hope that Arnel will have fans who will feel the same way about any hit songs that he has with the band, just as Steve A has with his best songs from "Arrival."

[artist4perry]

Bright stars do not fade.
They may burn themselves out, but they never fade. And if they do burn out they leave a black hole.

But thankfully this particular star left us a legacy of wonderfully sung and beautifully crafted songs to keep the memory of him very far from fading.

Nicely said, I for one will wait.........Patiently.

It's what I feel.
The guy's voice stirred something within me from the first moment I heard him. And that hasn't faded.
He's very special.

It's what I feel also.
I believe that the fans that took the ride with Perry and Journey, to the top, will never accept any other Journey, just as Perry has said that he is not at all interested in any Journey but the one that he fronted. It's not that hard to understand.

His voice did stir something within us and he was the reason that we were moved. It does not happen often that a singers voice and stage presence can so captivate us and for me, Perry is my "Once In A Lifetime" rockstar.

I read a lot and I'm am starting to see references to "Old Journey" songs. Many of us are hardcore Journey fans and naturally appreciate only Perry singing the songs and if anyone else sings them, they are only paying tribute.

I hope that Arnel will have fans who will feel the same way about any hit songs that he has with the band, just as Steve A has with his best songs from "Arrival."

They all have fans, They all have love. Isn't that what variety is all about! I happen to love Steve the most, but I also like Arnel. Never heard Aguleri or JSS. But I am sure they are willing to testify to their love for their music! I am glad we have so much to love.

Now Stephen Ray Perry, ..........when you get to "Feelin' that Way" about music, we will be waiting with "Open Arms".!

[Since 78]

Bright stars do not fade.
They may burn themselves out, but they never fade. And if they do burn out they leave a black hole.

But thankfully this particular star left us a legacy of wonderfully sung and beautifully crafted songs to keep the memory of him very far from fading.

Nicely said, I for one will wait.........Patiently.

It's what I feel.
The guy's voice stirred something within me from the first moment I heard him. And that hasn't faded.
He's very special.

It's what I feel also.
I believe that the fans that took the ride with Perry and Journey, to the top, will never accept any other Journey, just as Perry has said that he is not at all interested in any Journey but the one that he fronted. It's not that hard to understand.

His voice did stir something within us and he was the reason that we were moved. It does not happen often that a singers voice and stage presence can so captivate us and for me, Perry is my "Once In A Lifetime" rockstar.

I read a lot and I'm am starting to see references to "Old Journey" songs. Many of us are hardcore Journey fans and naturally appreciate only Perry singing the songs and if anyone else sings them, they are only paying tribute.

I hope that Arnel will have fans who will feel the same way about any hit songs that he has with the band, just as Steve A has with his best songs from "Arrival."

They all have fans, They all have love. Isn't that what variety is all about! I happen to love Steve the most, but I also like Arnel. Never heard Augeri or JSS. But I am sure they are willing to testify to their love for their music! I am glad we have so much to love.

Now Stephen Ray Perry, ..........when you get to "Feelin' that Way" about music, we will be waiting with "Open Arms".!

There fixed it for ya! You really should check out Arrival, great album!

[Voyager]

I never thought I would see this, especially while the group is still performing.

Steve A never made you forget about Perry.
JSS never made you forget about Perry.

But Arnel, truly has enough vocal talent combined with stage energy to truely make you forget about Steve Perry.

That is by far the most ignorant statement I have ever heard on this forum. That would be like saying an Elvis impersonator made you forget about Elvis. How fucking ridiculous!!!

[Voyager]

Arnel is a great singer first off, but the problem is the first thing out of most people's mouth is “Wow, he sounds like Steve Perry”. If Arnel can stick around for 2 or 3 more albums, and the setlist contains more new AP songs than SP songs, than maybe we can say this is a new Journey, but right now every night the shows are SP tribute shows, I'll beit done by a spectacular performer (AP) but more akin to watching Rain do a Beatles show. When people start saying “Wow that new song by Arnel and Journey is awesome”, and it happens on a regular basis, then the ghost can be put to rest. If you never saw a SP lead Journey then this as good as it gets, which is pretty fabulous, but for the moment, it's still memorex.

Good post. Arnel does a great Steve Perry tribute. I'm glad he's doing it. Perry obviously does not have any more voice left to do the job than Augeri does, and Arnel is doing a great job. But to think that people have forgotten about Perry now is just foolishness. That would be no different than if the Rolling Stones hired a Mick Jagger impersonator and then said that people will forget about Mick. It's just complete nonsense.

[The Sushi Hunter]

Probably San Miguel or Sapporo talking right there, that is.

Love the avatar Gunbot! Now all I need is a emoticon that has it's tongue sticking out.

[artist4perry]

Bright stars do not fade.
They may burn themselves out, but they never fade. And if they do burn out they leave a black hole.

But thankfully this particular star left us a legacy of wonderfully sung and beautifully crafted songs to keep the memory of him very far from fading.

Nicely said, I for one will wait.........Patiently.

It's what I feel.
The guy's voice stirred something within me from the first moment I heard him. And that hasn't faded.
He's very special.

Actually I own the DVD! LOL! Just haven't had the heart to listen. It took me alot to listen to Arnel.


It's what I feel also.
I believe that the fans that took the ride with Perry and Journey, to the top, will never accept any other Journey, just as Perry has said that he is not at all interested in any Journey but the one that he fronted. It's not that hard to understand.

His voice did stir something within us and he was the reason that we were moved. It does not happen often that a singers voice and stage presence can so captivate us and for me, Perry is my "Once In A Lifetime" rockstar.

I read a lot and I'm am starting to see references to "Old Journey" songs. Many of us are hardcore Journey fans and naturally appreciate only Perry singing the songs and if anyone else sings them, they are only paying tribute.

I hope that Arnel will have fans who will feel the same way about any hit songs that he has with the band, just as Steve A has with his best songs from "Arrival."

They all have fans, They all have love. Isn't that what variety is all about! I happen to love Steve the most, but I also like Arnel. Never heard Augeri or JSS. But I am sure they are willing to testify to their love for their music! I am glad we have so much to love.

Now Stephen Ray Perry, ..........when you get to "Feelin' that Way" about music, we will be waiting with "Open Arms".!

There fixed it for ya! You really should check out Arrival, great album!

I have the DVD, just havn't had the heart to watch it. Took me a while to accept Arnel.

[texafana]

I never thought I would see this, especially while the group is still performing.

Steve A never made you forget about Perry.
JSS never made you forget about Perry.

But Arnel, truly has enough vocal talent combined with stage energy to truely make you forget about Steve Perry.

That is by far the most ignorant statement I have ever heard on this forum. That would be like saying an Elvis impersonator made you forget about Elvis. How fucking ridiculous!!!

The ignorant point I was trying to fucking make is Arnel is so ridiculously good it doesn't make you wish that Perry was back in the band like Augeri and Soto did.

[Jana]

The funny thing about this thread is that Arnel would be the first to say Steve Perry is not fading and will always be the "Voice." That's how he feels singing the classic songs. He's a humble person and he's trying to do honor to those songs sung by Steve Perry and to honor the Journey legacy sound, which he does beautifully. On his fan site when he visits and talks with his fans, he receives so much praise and always, without fail, responds that he is there because he can sing Perry's songs and that people aren't coming there to see him, but to see Journey. He stated," I can't fail all those people out there who paid tons of time, effort and money." He is doing his best not to, and it shows by all the positive response to his concerts and new fans. In Revelation disk one, the original songs, I don't hear Perry in those songs, not once. Arnel owns those songs, which is a good thing, and his voice is not a clone of Perry's on the new songs, and, hopefully, the guys will continue to make great "new" music with Arnel and still rockin' out. I would hate to think of these guys not on stage anymore.

[Since 78]

I never thought I would see this, especially while the group is still performing.

Steve A never made you forget about Perry.
JSS never made you forget about Perry.

But Arnel, truly has enough vocal talent combined with stage energy to truely make you forget about Steve Perry.

That is by far the most ignorant statement I have ever heard on this forum. That would be like saying an Elvis impersonator made you forget about Elvis. How fucking ridiculous!!!

The ignorant point I was trying to fucking make is Arnel is so ridiculously good it doesn't make you wish that Perry was back in the band like Augeri and Soto did.

So basically you were just trying to trash Augeri and Soto? Oh! Well thats much better!!

[artist4perry]

I never thought I would see this, especially while the group is still performing.

Steve A never made you forget about Perry.
JSS never made you forget about Perry.

But Arnel, truly has enough vocal talent combined with stage energy to truely make you forget about Steve Perry.

That is by far the most ignorant statement I have ever heard on this forum. That would be like saying an Elvis impersonator made you forget about Elvis. How fucking ridiculous!!!

The ignorant point I was trying to fucking make is Arnel is so ridiculously good it doesn't make you wish that Perry was back in the band like Augeri and Soto did.

I think it was the title that made us laugh. That was ridiculous. You might feel that way. But not all will agree with you.

[Enigma869]

Even after all these weeks, the title of this thread is still fucking ridiculous


John from Boston

[RedWingFan]

Even after all these weeks, the title of this thread is still fucking ridiculous


John from Boston

Agreed. Everytime I read it, I chuckle!!

[epresley]

I never thought I would see this, especially while the group is still performing.

Steve A never made you forget about Perry.
JSS never made you forget about Perry.

But Arnel, truly has enough vocal talent combined with stage energy to truely make you forget about Steve Perry. What I mean by that is, it finally looks like Journey has a "lead singer" again and not some hired hand. Even Steve A never looked or sounded as a good a fit with the band compared to Arnel in my opinion.

I was looking at some JSS videos with Journey, and (as good as he is) he just for some weird reason just doesn't "look" like someone who would be fronting Journey. I don't know if the physical look has something to do with it? Both SteveP and SteveA and Arnel are not the most masculine guys in the world, kind of a softer look about them, perhaps you need that high tenor voice with a softer look to make it click "hey...that's the Journey lead singer look". ? ? ?

I'm still blown away by how far Arnel has come in only a short period of time. I'm starting to wonder if Neal planned this a long time before it was announced. Secretly having Arnel work on the songs, etc, etc.

And speaking of Perry, with his ego as large as it is, there is simply no way he would come back if he couldn't sing better than the current lead singer of Journey. And let's face it, at near 60 years old, he can't compete with Arnel. I feel sorry for him, because if he did have plans for a come back, they were probably shattered when he heard Arnel perform with Journey.

All that may be true, but Clay Aiken is still gay.

[xflajrnylvr]

Not another comparison thread

[blondn6ft]

{{{ SIGH }}}
Here we go again ...
Not even going to read ALL the pages of responses ...
Just going to toss my .02 in ...
Perry was not the FIRST singer and apparently won't be the last ...
ENJOY THE MUSIC and not the politics of the band

[Enigma869]

Perry was not the FIRST singer and apparently won't be the last ...

Apparently won't be the last??? I think your suffering from altitude sickness with that 6 feet you've got going on He clearly wasn't the first and clearly wasn't the last. I'm quite sure that even Arnel probably isn't the last! What's your point? Journey can tour their old asses off for another 20 years, and Perry will forever be the only one out of their 27 lead singers who ever matters!


John from Boston