The 2008 US Presidential Election Thread

[Lula]

tomorrow cbs is supposed to release the latest palin boo boo.... apparently sarah was unable to cite any supreme court case beyond roe v wade. the same question was posed to biden i guess, but i don't know how he answered. a mccain/palin aid was said to have confirmed palin's silence after offering roe v wade. i'm feeling bad for her..... she just is not ready for this.

[The_Noble_Cause]

tomorrow cbs is supposed to release the latest palin boo boo.... apparently sarah was unable to cite any supreme court case beyond roe v wade. the same question was posed to biden i guess, but i don't know how he answered. a mccain/palin aid was said to have confirmed palin's silence after offering roe v wade. i'm feeling bad for her..... she just is not ready for this.

Did you see the other night they had McCain sit in with Palin and babysit the interview?
Couric showed footage of Palin being asked in Philly by a college student what she would do regarding Pakistan and her answer mirrored Obama's to a tee.
Upon playing this, McCain admonished Couric, claiming this was "gotcha" journalism, despite the fact the question and answer was played in full.

And tonite, when pressed repeatedly, she couldn't name a single magazine or newspaper she has read in her life.
Yikes.

[Enigma869]

tomorrow cbs is supposed to release the latest palin boo boo.... apparently sarah was unable to cite any supreme court case beyond roe v wade. the same question was posed to biden i guess, but i don't know how he answered. a mccain/palin aid was said to have confirmed palin's silence after offering roe v wade. i'm feeling bad for her..... she just is not ready for this.

Palin is a fucking moron! Every time I listen to this woman speak, I am STUNNED that she is a politician. She makes W. sound like a genius when he speaks! I heard on the news tonight that Puppet Palin was having a very difficult time "practicing" for her debate with Blowhard Biden. It was reported that McCain is "very concerned", and has flown in his top advisors to assist Palin, in her efforts to put an English sentence together.

Here is more of the genius Palin, in action. Katie Couric asks her about the economic bailout, and her response is priceless. She starts talking about healthcare. The camera pans to Couric, and Couric looks baffled. This woman is too stupid to leave her house in the morning!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ii3-JUbBJm4

John from Boston

[csiako]

tomorrow cbs is supposed to release the latest palin boo boo.... apparently sarah was unable to cite any supreme court case beyond roe v wade. the same question was posed to biden i guess, but i don't know how he answered. a mccain/palin aid was said to have confirmed palin's silence after offering roe v wade. i'm feeling bad for her..... she just is not ready for this.

Palin is a fucking moron! Every time I listen to this woman speak, I am STUNNED that she is a politician. She makes W. sound like a genius when he speaks! I heard on the news tonight that Puppet Palin was having a very difficult time "practicing" for her debate with Blowhard Biden. It was reported that McCain is "very concerned", and has flown in his top advisors to assist Palin, in her efforts to put an English sentence together.

Here is more of the genius Palin, in action. Katie Couric asks her about the economic bailout, and her response is priceless. She starts talking about healthcare. The camera pans to Couric, and Couric looks baffled. This woman is too stupid to leave her house in the morning!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ii3-JUbBJm4

John from Boston

just curious.. if you have a choice between Sarah and W. for president 8 years ago.. who would you pick?

[Enigma869]

just curious.. if you have a choice between Sarah and W. for president 8 years ago.. who would you pick?

Tough choice between dumb and dumber, but W. wins that one in a landslide! W. is a dope, but Palin isn't safe enough to be out in public. Shit, they can't even conduct an interview with this dope, without McCain babysitting her and cutting off the reporter, as if he's Puppet Palin's attorney!

On another note, W. has hit another new all-time low in the polls. He now joins Harry Truman and Richard Nixon as the only presidents in U.S. history who have managed to pull an "approval rating" below 30% in a Gallup Poll.

http://news.aol.com/article/bushs-appro ... 1200656003


John from Boston

[treetopovskaya]

so wrong...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrfrdptVJEg

[Enigma869]

so wrong...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrfrdptVJEg

That's just uncomfortable! Leave kids the hell out of politics! It's a nutty enough world for adults! I would NEVER allow my son anywhere near a place like that!


John from Boston

[Lula]

tomorrow cbs is supposed to release the latest palin boo boo.... apparently sarah was unable to cite any supreme court case beyond roe v wade. the same question was posed to biden i guess, but i don't know how he answered. a mccain/palin aid was said to have confirmed palin's silence after offering roe v wade. i'm feeling bad for her..... she just is not ready for this.

Did you see the other night they had McCain sit in with Palin and babysit the interview?
Couric showed footage of Palin being asked in Philly by a college student what she would do regarding Pakistan and her answer mirrored Obama's to a tee.
Upon playing this, McCain admonished Couric, claiming this was "gotcha" journalism, despite the fact the question and answer was played in full.

And tonite, when pressed repeatedly, she couldn't name a single magazine or newspaper she has read in her life.
Yikes.

i saw it all. mccain looked like big bad daddy in that interview; speaking as if palin wasn't there. not being able to name a newspaper- that is bad. the woman has her degree in friggin journalism, doesn't she? she did remind us tho that alaska is not a foreign country (just close to one i guess )

[7 Wishes]

Clinton's bill was a) passed with a Republican majority in the House and Senate, and b) passed the Senate by a 90-8 vote with two abstentions.

What Clinton saw (as it turns out, ill-advised) an opportunity to provide home ownership to more middle-class Americans, the Republicans saw as an opportunity to put more money in the pockets of the CEO's of the Big Banks.

So EVERYONE is to blame. In fact, Clinton DEMANDED the final version of the bill contain MORE regulation than the one initially passed by the House.

[RedWingFan]

Another "middle of the road" media moderator.

VP debate moderator Ifill releasing pro-Obama book
Focuses on blacks who are 'forging a bold new path to political power'
Posted: September 30, 2008
8:35 pm Eastern

By Bob Unruh
© 2008 WorldNetDaily


Gwen Ifill

The moderator of Thursday's vice-presidential debate is writing a book to come out about the time the next president takes the oath of office that aims to "shed new light" on Democratic candidate Barack Obama and other "emerging young African American politicians" who are "forging a bold new path to political power."

Gwen Ifill of the Public Broadcasting Service program "Washington Week" is promoting "The Breakthrough," in which she argues the "black political structure" of the civil rights movement is giving way to men and women who have benefited from the struggles over racial equality.

Ifill declined to return a WND telephone message asking for a comment about her book project and whether its success would be expected should Obama lose. But she has faced criticism previously for not treating candidates of both major parties the same.

[conversationpc]

Another "middle of the road" media moderator.

VP debate moderator Ifill releasing pro-Obama book
Focuses on blacks who are 'forging a bold new path to political power'
Posted: September 30, 2008
8:35 pm Eastern

By Bob Unruh
© 2008 WorldNetDaily


Gwen Ifill

The moderator of Thursday's vice-presidential debate is writing a book to come out about the time the next president takes the oath of office that aims to "shed new light" on Democratic candidate Barack Obama and other "emerging young African American politicians" who are "forging a bold new path to political power."

Gwen Ifill of the Public Broadcasting Service program "Washington Week" is promoting "The Breakthrough," in which she argues the "black political structure" of the civil rights movement is giving way to men and women who have benefited from the struggles over racial equality.

Ifill declined to return a WND telephone message asking for a comment about her book project and whether its success would be expected should Obama lose. But she has faced criticism previously for not treating candidates of both major parties the same.

Gee, what a surprise.

[Barb]

Well I'll be damned....

http://www.cnsnews.com/public/content/a ... rcID=36629

I'm sure stories like this will be broadly reported.

[Enigma869]

Well I'll be damned....

http://www.cnsnews.com/public/content/a ... rcID=36629

I'm sure stories like this will be broadly reported.

These stories can be slanted either way to fit whatever side of the argument you support. 60 Minutes had a report on this past Sunday's show with General Ray Odierno (the guy who took over for Petraeus). They were in Iraq and talking to citizens (many of them at their places of business...small shops, etc.), and every single one of them said things were better when that scumbag Saddam was controlling the country. They said they do like the idea of freedom but that it was meaningless, without services that none of their citizens have. Regardless of which side of the argument you happen to be on, it doesn't change the fact that Bush had ZERO right to invade Iraq, given his reasoning of WMD that everybody now agrees was flat out wrong, and in my opinion, just a made up story, for the excuse he needed!


John from Boston

[Barb]

Well I'll be damned....

http://www.cnsnews.com/public/content/a ... rcID=36629

I'm sure stories like this will be broadly reported.

These stories can be slanted either way to fit whatever side of the argument you support. 60 Minutes had a report on this past Sunday's show with General Ray Odierno (the guy who took over for Petraeus). They were in Iraq and talking to citizens (many of them at their places of business...small shops, etc.), and every single one of them said things were better when that scumbag Saddam was controlling the country. They said they do like the idea of freedom but that it was meaningless, without services that none of their citizens have. Regardless of which side of the argument you happen to be on, it doesn't change the fact that Bush had ZERO right to invade Iraq, given his reasoning of WMD that everybody now agrees was flat out wrong, and in my opinion, just a made up story, for the excuse he needed!


John from Boston

How can WMD be a made up story when intelligence agencies around the world had the same intel we did and there was a consensus those weapons existed? The dispute was what to do about it.

I'm not implying that there are Iraqis who feel as you describe, but it is rare to read something on the other side. My son is over there right now and he tells us that the people he encounters love Americans and things are looking up for the average Iraqi. Sorry, but I believe HIM.

[Enigma869]

VP DEBATE MODERATOR RELEASING 'AGE OF OBAMA' BOOK ON INAUGURATION DAY!

I heard about this story on the news this morning. The news report I heard said that she had already written a book about Obama. It seems very odd to me that someone who has written (or will write) a book about one of the candidates, was chosen to moderate this debate. Puppet Palin needs all the help she can get for this one, and this doesn't help her cause. At this point, she can only hope that Blowhard Biden takes her too lightly, shows up completely unprepared, or shitfaced! Just for the sheer entertainment value, I am recording this one. I want to be able to tell my grandchildren that I witnessed the absoute worst candidate (Palin) in the history of presidential politics, and then show them the proof of this dope!


John from Boston

[Enigma869]

How can WMD be a made up story when intelligence agencies around the world had the same intel we did and there was a consensus those weapons existed?

It doesn't change the bottom line. The "intelligence" was fucking wrong! I don't care how many "intelligence agencies" you claimed buttressed W.'s argument. Even if every nation in the world agreed with him, it doesn't change the fact that he was WRONG!

My son is over there right now and he tells us that the people he encounters love Americans and things are looking up for the average Iraqi. Sorry, but I believe HIM.

With all due respect, I honestly don't give a rat's ass who you believe! I was simply making the point that the argument (like most) can be slanted either way, to support the way you happen to feel, about a given issue!


John from Boston

[Barb]

How can WMD be a made up story when intelligence agencies around the world had the same intel we did and there was a consensus those weapons existed?

It doesn't change the bottom line. The "intelligence" was fucking wrong! I don't care how many "intelligence agencies" you claimed buttressed W.'s argument. Even if every nation in the world agreed with him, it doesn't change the fact that he was WRONG!

My son is over there right now and he tells us that the people he encounters love Americans and things are looking up for the average Iraqi. Sorry, but I believe HIM.

With all due respect, I honestly don't give a rat's ass who you believe! I was simply making the point that the argument (like most) can be slanted either way, to support the way you happen to feel, about a given issue!


John from Boston

Right. Well your statement was that you believed WMD was a made up story. That is inaccurate. Bad intel, but not made up.

[Barb]

http://www.washtimes.com/news/2008/oct/ ... uses-firm/

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi has directed nearly $100,000 from her political action committee to her husband's real estate and investment firm over the past decade, a practice of paying a spouse with political donations that she supported banning last year.

We pledge to make this the most honest, ethical, and open Congress in history.
Nancy Pelosi 11/14/06

[7 Wishes]

How can WMD be a made up story when intelligence agencies around the world had the same intel we did and there was a consensus those weapons existed? The dispute was what to do about it.

I'm not implying that there are Iraqis who feel as you describe, but it is rare to read something on the other side. My son is over there right now and he tells us that the people he encounters love Americans and things are looking up for the average Iraqi. Sorry, but I believe HIM.

NO, Barb, the rest of the world was NOT acting upon a "consensus". In fact, our biggest allies in Iraq, the British, were certain there was NO LONGER A THREAT from Hussein.

It's already been proven Bush had an agenda to invade Iraq BEFORE 9/11. The bullshit "yellowcake" speech has been COMPLETELY refuted in its entirety; MANY former Bush Administration officials have said Bush knew the information was false BEFORE he gave his incendiary address.

And I hate to tell you this, but a recent poll of Iraqis (a massive sample) showed that over 70% of Iraqis believe they are WORSE OFF than before the invasion.

[RossValoryRocks]

And I hate to tell you this, but a recent poll of Iraqis (a massive sample) showed that over 70% of Iraqis believe they are WORSE OFF than before the invasion.

That's not what my buddies serving over there hear and relate to me. Like ANY poll taken it can be skewed. I will take the words of my friends over there over any poll on any day.

They are on the ground and are living it day to day.

[Lula]

seems a bit skewed to have the moderator in the position she is in. this would be a good excuse for palin to back out. i wonder if they received the questions in advanced?

[Enigma869]

That's not what my buddies serving over there hear and relate to me. I will take the words of my friends over there over any poll on any day.

They are on the ground and are living it day to day.

Honestly Stu, I think it's a bit short-sighted for you or anyone else to relay stories that your buddies or someone's relatives are relaying back home. They obviously don't interact with the entire country, and can't begin to take the pulse of an entire nation. Also, regardless of what they see or don't see going on around them, they really can't speak to how everyone in a country feels, regardless of any outward appearances. Let's not lose sight of the fact that the Iraqi people really don't have much of a choice, other than to grin and bear what has occurred in their country! While I don't disagree that there might be some who are quite pleased that Saddam is gone (and they all should be grateful for that), I also believe there are many who don't feel as though they are better off, since our military has decided to occupy their homeland.


John from Boston

[RossValoryRocks]

That's not what my buddies serving over there hear and relate to me. I will take the words of my friends over there over any poll on any day.

They are on the ground and are living it day to day.

Honestly Stu, I think it's a bit short-sighted for you or anyone else to relay stories that your buddies or someone's relatives are relaying back home. They obviously don't interact with the entire country, and can't begin to take the pulse of an entire nation. Also, regardless of what they see or don't see going on around them, they really can't speak to how everyone in a country feels, regardless of any outward appearances. Let's not lose sight of the fact that the Iraqi people really don't have much of a choice, other than to grin and bear what has occurred in their country! While I don't disagree that there might be some who are quite pleased that Saddam is gone (and they all should be grateful for that), I also believe there are many who don't feel as though they are better off, since our military has decided to occupy their homeland.


John from Boston

Polls don't interact with the entire country either. Take a poll in a place with a large Sunni population and the results will probably show that they feel worse off since they used to be the power in the country (Saddam was Sunni) and now have to share that with the other groups.

My friends, people I served in the Marine Corps with and trust with my life, tell me things aren't the way things are being shown to be back here by our media and in fact things are much better that they are being portrayed.

How about this poll: http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_ ... ror_update

A plurality of people think the Iraq war will be judged a success.

[Enigma869]

Polls don't interact with the entire country either. Take a poll in a place with a large Sunni population and the results will probably show that they feel worse off since they used to be the power in the country (Saddam was Sunni) and now have to share that with the other groups.

My friends, people I served in the Marine Corps with and trust with my life, tell me things aren't the way things are being shown to be back here by our media and in fact things are much better that they are being portrayed.

How about this poll: http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_ ... ror_update

A plurality of people think the Iraq war will be judged a success.

For the record, I never once suggested that polls interacted with an entire country, nor did I even reference a poll in my post! I simply said that people serving in our military cannot speak for an entire nation, or how they feel about our country's occupation of their nation. As I said, I have no doubt that there are those who are pleased to have their freedom. I just suspect there are more who don't feel they are better off, and that is a very sad commentary, given what a douche Saddam was!


John from Boston

[RossValoryRocks]

Polls don't interact with the entire country either. Take a poll in a place with a large Sunni population and the results will probably show that they feel worse off since they used to be the power in the country (Saddam was Sunni) and now have to share that with the other groups.

My friends, people I served in the Marine Corps with and trust with my life, tell me things aren't the way things are being shown to be back here by our media and in fact things are much better that they are being portrayed.

How about this poll: http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_ ... ror_update

A plurality of people think the Iraq war will be judged a success.

For the record, I never once suggested that polls interacted with an entire country, nor did I even reference a poll in my post! I simply said that people serving in our military cannot speak for an entire nation, or how they feel about our country's occupation of their nation. As I said, I have no doubt that there are those who are pleased to have their freedom. I just suspect there are more who don't feel they are better off, and that is a very sad commentary, given what a douche Saddam was!


John from Boston

I doubt there are MORE people who think they are worse off. If that is your OPINION then fine, but it doesn't jive with what I hear from the people who are actually there.

[Gin and Tonic Sky]

I would suspect that all those war zone polls taken in IRaq are pretty inaccurate and dont take account of factions. To give another more distant example

If you went back in time to the American Revolution and walked the streets of Philadelphia during January 1778 and took a massive poll, folks would have been going on about how they've never had it so good since General Howe and his Redcoat army moved into town. Thats because Philadelphia had a big loyalist community and they had their pieholes filled with jam cakes and tea from London all winter . Back on their farms , and in Boston, and Providence, and Charleston, everyone else worried about the fate Washingtons troops up the road in Valley Forge and was on his side. If you took a poll in any of those other areas you would have gotten a far different result. Point is, you can always find a faction who will tell you one thing in a war zone, in every single war.

By the way dont misunderstand my post Im not comparing the two wars in any way. However, come to think of it I would venture a guess that if we had a liberal media back in the Revolutionary war , we'd hear moaning about how incompetent those American troops were on bunker hill (You can just hear Chris Matthews :"why didnt they have enough ammo to fight that third assault on the hill?") and how horrible Washington was for making all those troops march to the battle of Trenton crossing icy rivers in bare bloody feet (alhough that battle wouldnt have even made the news reels because Washington won that one!)

[Lula]

the infrastructure in iraq is shot. iraqis that have received death threats from working with the u.s. have not been granted visas to this country. it is all perception- an american perception and an iraqi perception. most will agree that having the evil dictator gone is a very good thing, but the basic needs for iraqis are not being met and that is a travesty.

edited- sorry, iran on the brain. doh

[The_Noble_Cause]

How can WMD be a made up story when intelligence agencies around the world had the same intel we did and there was a consensus those weapons existed? The dispute was what to do about it.

Even if this was accurate, which it isn't, every weapons inspector on the ground said they found nothing befre being yanked out, so the point is moot.

[The_Noble_Cause]

My friends, people I served in the Marine Corps with and trust with my life, tell me things aren't the way things are being shown to be back here by our media ...

Correct.
Over there the reports of ethnic cleansing and tribal leader bribes are widely known, with little celebrating of the deus ex machina called "The Surge."

[The_Noble_Cause]

....MANY former Bush Administration officials have said Bush knew the information was false BEFORE he gave his incendiary address.

There are many, but Colin Powell's chief of staff has been the best so far. Lays it all out there. Including Cheney's trips to the CIA to browbeat the intelligence officials to cook the books.
The press that bothered to do the investigative spade work in the lead up to war, including Walter Pincus of W. Post and Knight Rider newspapers, reached the conclusion that Bush's claims were not supported by reality.
These articles got scant attention compared to Judith Miller's regurgitation of White House WMD lies in the NY Times.

What liberal media?