This is un-rockstar like. Great though...

[Since 78]

Actually I don't get being rude to anyone because of what music you prefer. Everyone has their favorite, and no one wants their favorite slammed down. I think some people thrive on being unkind and rude. I never get this thinking at all. It is one thing to playfully kid around with friends, it is another to get off on hurting someone else. If you like hurting people you need to get some help. It says little about your personality, it says volume about your worth.

I agree, and that's NOT what I was doing in the other thread...

BUT, I will say this....Alot of times someone says something that EVERYONE is thinking, only doesn't have the balls to say.

You mean like shut the hell up?

No, more like Mind your own fucking business.....

Thank you guys my point exactly.

You didn't type this?

artist4perry Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 05:17 PM EST

Arnel is nothing but American Idol bad karaoke.

I don't believe it....it does not sound like something Ginger would say!!!

I agree. There were some posts over there that had screen names from here, that just don't make sense. This being one of them.

Yeah, Rick.....I'm reading those now....WOW!!!

The link posted above, G~Boy!!!

There are some really strange people out there!!

[Don]

I guess the list is pretty short when it comes to wondering who the culprit is.

[RossValoryRocks]

I could list 1 or 2 people right off the bat who were probably the people who posted those comments.

But hey...give them press and they eat it up. So I won't.

Ignorance is bliss for some people.

[artist4perry]

Actually I don't get being rude to anyone because of what music you prefer. Everyone has their favorite, and no one wants their favorite slammed down. I think some people thrive on being unkind and rude. I never get this thinking at all. It is one thing to playfully kid around with friends, it is another to get off on hurting someone else. If you like hurting people you need to get some help. It says little about your personality, it says volume about your worth.

I agree, and that's NOT what I was doing in the other thread...

BUT, I will say this....Alot of times someone says something that EVERYONE is thinking, only doesn't have the balls to say.

You mean like shut the hell up?

No, more like Mind your own fucking business.....

Thank you guys my point exactly.

You didn't type this?

artist4perry Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 05:17 PM EST

Arnel is nothing but American Idol bad karaoke.

I don't believe it....it does not sound like something Ginger would say!!!

That is because it isn't.

[mdaemon]

But what is this in response to? Did someone go on Arnel's site and slam him?

This is where it stemmed from:

http://popwatch.ew.com/popwatch/2008/03 ... y-arn.html

...from that link too:

stevew2 Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 02:37 PM EST

Mama always said life was like a box a chocolates, never know what you're gonna get.

...that is just so wrong!

[Michigan Girl]

But what is this in response to? Did someone go on Arnel's site and slam him?

This is where it stemmed from:

http://popwatch.ew.com/popwatch/2008/03 ... y-arn.html

...from that link too:

stevew2 Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 02:37 PM EST

Mama always said life was like a box a chocolates, never know what you're gonna get.

...that is just so wrong!

There's more than that posted by Stevie, I don't believe any of it was posted by our SW2.....nor do I believe the posts by
Proggie~Pooh or Rip and the list goes on...........

[RumTumJM]

I personally tell everyone that after all the crap Journey pulled in the past few years (tapegate, Soto, etc), I had just about had it with the band. However, the one reason I am still on board with them, along with the great material on Revelation, is ARNEL PINEDA. He has proven to an exceptional person and talent: someone who you wholeheartedly want to root for.

Now, I proudly continue to play Journey on my radio show, and especially, sing the praises of the current line-up and Arnel.


Bravo Arnel. Rock On!

[StoneCold]

I personally tell everyone that after all the crap Journey pulled in the past few years (tapegate, Soto, etc), I had just about had it with the band. However, the one reason I am still on board with them, along with the great material on Revelation, is ARNEL PINEDA. He has proven to an exceptional person and talent: someone who you wholeheartedly want to root for.

Now, I proudly continue to play Journey on my radio show, and especially, sing the praises of the current line-up and Arnel.


Bravo Arnel. Rock On!

That's great that you playing them. New stuff hopefully. I was listening to KLOS on the way to the show and didn't catch any Journey. You'd think they'd be breakin' some of the new stuff but maybe Uncle Joe's loyality to SP is too strong? Then again I didn't stay on the station the whole time so maybe I missed a cut or too.

AP's doing great and staying humble. Very hard to do considering the crap he's had said about him. This is one case of the good guy winning. Rock on Arnel!

[S2M]

I don't listen to such and such band because I like the members as people. I listen for the music, and the music alone. I didn't stop listening to the Dixie Chicks because they had that issue with Bush. And the people that DID, have psychological problems.

I couldn't care less about Arnel as a person. And that's NOT to say I don't care about him, or mean him ill-will. I just don't base my musical tastes on personal things.

Feel-good story aside....if the music wasn't up to par, I wouldn't listen.

[Don]

I personally tell everyone that after all the crap Journey pulled in the past few years (tapegate, Soto, etc), I had just about had it with the band. However, the one reason I am still on board with them, along with the great material on Revelation, is ARNEL PINEDA. He has proven to an exceptional person and talent: someone who you wholeheartedly want to root for.

Now, I proudly continue to play Journey on my radio show, and especially, sing the praises of the current line-up and Arnel.


Bravo Arnel. Rock On!

That's great that you playing them. New stuff hopefully. I was listening to KLOS on the way to the show and didn't catch any Journey. You'd think they'd be breakin' some of the new stuff but maybe Uncle Joe's loyality to SP is too strong? Then again I didn't stay on the station the whole time so maybe I missed a cut or too.

AP's doing great and staying humble. Very hard to do considering the crap he's had said about him. This is one case of the good guy winning. Rock on Arnel!

You didn't miss shit. The only time I have heard new cuts was NWA being used as bumper music for Mark and Brian. Their tail gate album for the Concert on Sunday was Departure. They are Perry loons to the nth degree at KLOS.

[artist4perry]

I could list 1 or 2 people right off the bat who were probably the people who posted those comments.

But hey...give them press and they eat it up. So I won't.

Ignorance is bliss for some people.

Sometimes just ignorance!

[Andrew]

I guess the list is pretty short when it comes to wondering who the culprit is.

Indeed. The same asshole that posted shitty comments attributed to me once a little while back.

I cannot fathom, for the life of me, when there are SO MANY wonderful things to occupy our lives with, why one individual would simply have so little to live for than do things like that.

Karma baby....someone is going to get hit with a 12 pound sledge one day real soon.

Wake up asshole - before your life is over.

[RumTumJM]

I personally tell everyone that after all the crap Journey pulled in the past few years (tapegate, Soto, etc), I had just about had it with the band. However, the one reason I am still on board with them, along with the great material on Revelation, is ARNEL PINEDA. He has proven to an exceptional person and talent: someone who you wholeheartedly want to root for.

Now, I proudly continue to play Journey on my radio show, and especially, sing the praises of the current line-up and Arnel.


Bravo Arnel. Rock On!

That's great that you playing them. New stuff hopefully. I was listening to KLOS on the way to the show and didn't catch any Journey. You'd think they'd be breakin' some of the new stuff but maybe Uncle Joe's loyality to SP is too strong? Then again I didn't stay on the station the whole time so maybe I missed a cut or too.

AP's doing great and staying humble. Very hard to do considering the crap he's had said about him. This is one case of the good guy winning. Rock on Arnel!

Oh Yes! Certainly new stuff. I have played After All These Years two times (I actually played it last spring from a leaked version to hype it up prior to the summer break (the song had been released to radio stations, I just did not have a copy). I also have on our automated system Wildest Dreams. I also intend on playing more new stuff as time moves on.

I do like to add in some of the hits, and even some classic album cuts as well.

You know, mix things up: a classic this week, a new one the next, then maybe an album cut. Makes things interesting!

[Rip Rokken]

...saw this on that page too:

Rip Rokken Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 02:16 PM EST

Arnel did you get that present I sent you this week? How about the other packages last Wednesday, Thursday and Friday. Don't worry nothing is ticking inside of them. I'm mailing myself to the Philippines so I can be with you and accept your man love.

Yeah it takes someone real brave to use someone else's name like that . Rip wouldn't have posted that.

Thanks, Melissa, and you are correct -- I didn't post that, nor any of the others. These types of attacks seem to be by a very few, possibly even one person who uses several screen names (some fraudulently as in this case), lurks and knows these boards and their history VERY well (the comment from "Knellsky" saying that he'd received my gifts was copied/pasted from an old Shout Box chat transcript), and who has no taste or boundaries whatsoever -- just an all-around Internet psycho on the worst level.

Still, to see those comments was embarrassing... For the record, other than making sure a package was delivered safely, I don't personally prefer to follow up on gifts given to another person that I don't know very well -- whether they enjoyed them, disliked them, or gave them away to another person is really none of my business. Otherwise I feel it puts someone on the spot. If they want to comment on them, they will.

I tried to contact EW.com about this situation and was not surprised to find that they have no easily discovered phone number -- not even when I called Customer Service. Also discovered that you must agree to their Terms & Conditions in order to contact them using the online e-mail form, but that includes them adding you to their marketing (SPAM) list. No choice about it. The customer service rep told me I did not have to check that box, yet I found that to be untrue. Out of curiosity I'm going to check into the legality of this practice, but doubt it will turn up much.

Anyway... situations like this present a problem because I feel the best way to deal with psychos like this is just to flat out ignore them. Don't give them any attention, they tend to go away. Stand toe-to-toe with them and you'll never get rid of them. But when they start using your own name online, it's a different situation.

[Blueskies]

I guess the list is pretty short when it comes to wondering who the culprit is.

Indeed. The same asshole that posted shitty comments attributed to me once a little while back.

I cannot fathom, for the life of me, when there are SO MANY wonderful things to occupy our lives with, why one individual would simply have so little to live for than do things like that.

Karma baby....someone is going to get hit with a 12 pound sledge one day real soon.

Wake up asshole - before your life is over.

Right on, Andrew!

[artist4perry]

...saw this on that page too:

Rip Rokken Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 02:16 PM EST

Arnel did you get that present I sent you this week? How about the other packages last Wednesday, Thursday and Friday. Don't worry nothing is ticking inside of them. I'm mailing myself to the Philippines so I can be with you and accept your man love.

Yeah it takes someone real brave to use someone else's name like that . Rip wouldn't have posted that.

Thanks, Melissa, and you are correct -- I didn't post that, nor any of the others. These types of attacks seem to be by a very few, possibly even one person who uses several screen names (some fraudulently as in this case), lurks and knows these boards and their history VERY well (the comment from "Knellsky" saying that he'd received my gifts was copied/pasted from an old Shout Box chat transcript), and who has no taste or boundaries whatsoever -- just an all-around Internet psycho on the worst level.

Still, to see those comments was embarrassing... For the record, other than making sure a package was delivered safely, I don't personally prefer to follow up on gifts given to another person that I don't know very well -- whether they enjoyed them, disliked them, or gave them away to another person is really none of my business. Otherwise I feel it puts someone on the spot. If they want to comment on them, they will.

I tried to contact EW.com about this situation and was not surprised to find that they have no easily discovered phone number -- not even when I called Customer Service. Also discovered that you must agree to their Terms & Conditions in order to contact them using the online e-mail form, but that includes them adding you to their marketing (SPAM) list. No choice about it. The customer service rep told me I did not have to check that box, yet I found that to be untrue. Out of curiosity I'm going to check into the legality of this practice, but doubt it will turn up much.

Anyway... situations like this present a problem because I feel the best way to deal with psychos like this is just to flat out ignore them. Don't give them any attention, they tend to go away. Stand toe-to-toe with them and you'll never get rid of them. But when they start using your own name online, it's a different situation.

I agree Rip, I think it is a compensation thing. For a lack of character. Oh well!, people who know us know it is fraud. That is what is so stupid about it. The only people who's oppinion I care about would know it was some shmuck with no life doing this, so whatever gets their rocks off.

[Arkansas]

Ever hear of anyone trademarking or copyrighting their internet names?
Probably the only way to stop this crap. But even then, it'd just get ignored.

I wonder what the online slander laws are like these days...? And are the site hosts liable too?


later~

[artist4perry]

Ever hear of anyone trademarking or copyrighting their internet names?
Probably the only way to stop this crap. But even then, it'd just get ignored.

I wonder what the online slander laws are like these days...? And are the site hosts liable too?


later~

I am just going to ignore it. Childish really. No one who knows us would beleive it anyway. Just a toddler throwing a tantrum for attention, walk over them and get on with life.

[DrFU]

Ever hear of anyone trademarking or copyrighting their internet names?
Probably the only way to stop this crap. But even then, it'd just get ignored.

I wonder what the online slander laws are like these days...? And are the site hosts liable too?


later~

slander is spoken; libel is written

to prove either, 3 things are required:

statements must be false
person making statements must know they are false
person about whom statements are made must have suffered material harm

The bottom-feeding behavior under discussion wouldn't meet the test.

[Don]

Pathological liars have a surplus of white matter and a deficit of gray matter in the brain. That means they have more tools to lie coupled with fewer moral restraints than normal people, so they don't feel as guilty for what they have done. I don't think there is a name for this disorder yet but it's still being studied.

[Melissa]

Ever hear of anyone trademarking or copyrighting their internet names?
Probably the only way to stop this crap. But even then, it'd just get ignored.

I wonder what the online slander laws are like these days...? And are the site hosts liable too?


later~

slander is spoken; libel is written

to prove either, 3 things are required:

statements must be false
person making statements must know they are false
person about whom statements are made must have suffered material harm

The bottom-feeding behavior under discussion wouldn't meet the test.

Yep. There's plenty of us anyway who know Rip and know he would never be part of that crap.

[Arkansas]

Ever hear of anyone trademarking or copyrighting their internet names?
Probably the only way to stop this crap. But even then, it'd just get ignored.

I wonder what the online slander laws are like these days...? And are the site hosts liable too?


later~

slander is spoken; libel is written

to prove either, 3 things are required:

statements must be false
person making statements must know they are false
person about whom statements are made must have suffered material harm

The bottom-feeding behavior under discussion wouldn't meet the test.

http://opendotdotdot.blogspot.com/2008/ ... libel.html

Point is, if defamation intent can be proven, then the poster should be criminally liable and it's possible the website owner/host is also liable for allowing such comments to remain published. And even though the latter hasn't really happened yet, at some point a court may hold the owner accountable.

This looks pertinent.
http://www.avvo.com/legal-answers/co-li ... -9891.html

This sounds like something that's happened around here.
http://en.allexperts.com/q/Civil-Commer ... mation.htm

This is an interesting read.
http://www.rcfp.org/news/mag/32-2/when_ ... ne_37.html


later~

[artist4perry]

Ever hear of anyone trademarking or copyrighting their internet names?
Probably the only way to stop this crap. But even then, it'd just get ignored.

I wonder what the online slander laws are like these days...? And are the site hosts liable too?


later~

slander is spoken; libel is written

to prove either, 3 things are required:

statements must be false
person making statements must know they are false
person about whom statements are made must have suffered material harm

The bottom-feeding behavior under discussion wouldn't meet the test.

http://opendotdotdot.blogspot.com/2008/ ... libel.html

Point is, if defamation intent can be proven, then the poster should be criminally liable and it's possible the website owner/host is also liable for allowing such comments to remain published. And even though the latter hasn't really happened yet, at some point a court may hold the owner accountable.

This looks pertinent.
http://www.avvo.com/legal-answers/co-li ... -9891.html

This sounds like something that's happened around here.
http://en.allexperts.com/q/Civil-Commer ... mation.htm

This is an interesting read.
http://www.rcfp.org/news/mag/32-2/when_ ... ne_37.html


later~

I guess the perpetrator needs to be concerned huh? Stupid thing to do. The comments were on such a playground level, almost as bad as calling a store and asking for Prince Albert in a can. Only folks as old as me will get that one!

[stevew2]

But what is this in response to? Did someone go on Arnel's site and slam him?

This is where it stemmed from:

http://popwatch.ew.com/popwatch/2008/03 ... y-arn.html

...from that link too:

stevew2 Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 02:37 PM EST

Mama always said life was like a box a chocolates, never know what you're gonna get.

...that is just so wrong!

Thats fucker wrote shit about all of us.Inside job from a disgrunted or banned loser. Fucker can go to hell and will.Something will happen to the cocksucker, Ill see to it.

[S2M]

But what is this in response to? Did someone go on Arnel's site and slam him?

This is where it stemmed from:

http://popwatch.ew.com/popwatch/2008/03 ... y-arn.html

...from that link too:

stevew2 Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 02:37 PM EST

Mama always said life was like a box a chocolates, never know what you're gonna get.

...that is just so wrong!

Thats fucker wrote shit about all of us.Inside job from a disgrunted or banned loser. Fucker can go to hell and will.Something will happen to the cocksucker, Ill see to it.

Don't you mean CorkSoaker?

[Don]

Better to just drop this thread, attention is what the person wanted and got.

[artist4perry]

But what is this in response to? Did someone go on Arnel's site and slam him?

This is where it stemmed from:

http://popwatch.ew.com/popwatch/2008/03 ... y-arn.html

...from that link too:

stevew2 Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 02:37 PM EST

Mama always said life was like a box a chocolates, never know what you're gonna get.

...that is just so wrong!

Thats fucker wrote shit about all of us.Inside job from a disgrunted or banned loser. Fucker can go to hell and will.Something will happen to the cocksucker, Ill see to it.

Don't let them rattle you, SW2. You have friends here who like you and as I said, they were making up stuff on a preschool level. Sad if you think about it. Your funny and have a charm about you. Jealousy maybe? Who knows?

[stevew2]

But what is this in response to? Did someone go on Arnel's site and slam him?

This is where it stemmed from:

http://popwatch.ew.com/popwatch/2008/03 ... y-arn.html

...from that link too:

stevew2 Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 02:37 PM EST

Mama always said life was like a box a chocolates, never know what you're gonna get.

...that is just so wrong!

Thats fucker wrote shit about all of us.Inside job from a disgrunted or banned loser. Fucker can go to hell and will.Something will happen to the cocksucker, Ill see to it.

Don't let them rattle you, SW2. You have friends here who like you and as I said, they were making up stuff on a preschool level. Sad if you think about it. Your funny and have a charm about you. Jealousy maybe? Who knows?

Thanks, you a good person,as many people here are. What comes around goes around, good or bad. Always has always will. Dirty corksoakers, lol {SM quote}

[strangegrey]

Ever hear of anyone trademarking or copyrighting their internet names?
Probably the only way to stop this crap. But even then, it'd just get ignored.

I wonder what the online slander laws are like these days...? And are the site hosts liable too?


later~

slander is spoken; libel is written

to prove either, 3 things are required:

statements must be false
person making statements must know they are false
person about whom statements are made must have suffered material harm

The bottom-feeding behavior under discussion wouldn't meet the test.

http://opendotdotdot.blogspot.com/2008/ ... libel.html

Point is, if defamation intent can be proven, then the poster should be criminally liable and it's possible the website owner/host is also liable for allowing such comments to remain published. And even though the latter hasn't really happened yet, at some point a court may hold the owner accountable.

This looks pertinent.
http://www.avvo.com/legal-answers/co-li ... -9891.html

This sounds like something that's happened around here.
http://en.allexperts.com/q/Civil-Commer ... mation.htm

This is an interesting read.
http://www.rcfp.org/news/mag/32-2/when_ ... ne_37.html


later~

Arkansas, you're clearly not a lawyer. For anyone to prove a tort, intent is not the only thing that needs to be proven. Damages must also be proven (extremely hard to do)...in addition to damages, cause-in-fact needs to be proven (far more difficult than even damages to prove).

[artist4perry]

Ever hear of anyone trademarking or copyrighting their internet names?
Probably the only way to stop this crap. But even then, it'd just get ignored.

I wonder what the online slander laws are like these days...? And are the site hosts liable too?


later~

slander is spoken; libel is written

to prove either, 3 things are required:

statements must be false
person making statements must know they are false
person about whom statements are made must have suffered material harm

The bottom-feeding behavior under discussion wouldn't meet the test.

http://opendotdotdot.blogspot.com/2008/ ... libel.html

Point is, if defamation intent can be proven, then the poster should be criminally liable and it's possible the website owner/host is also liable for allowing such comments to remain published. And even though the latter hasn't really happened yet, at some point a court may hold the owner accountable.

This looks pertinent.
http://www.avvo.com/legal-answers/co-li ... -9891.html

This sounds like something that's happened around here.
http://en.allexperts.com/q/Civil-Commer ... mation.htm

This is an interesting read.
http://www.rcfp.org/news/mag/32-2/when_ ... ne_37.html


later~

Arkansas, you're clearly not a lawyer. For anyone to prove a tort, intent is not the only thing that needs to be proven. Damages must also be proven (extremely hard to do)...in addition to damages, cause-in-fact needs to be proven (far more difficult than even damages to prove).

Either way they have to live with WHAT they are, which isn't saying much.