The 2008 US Presidential Election Thread

[conversationpc]

No, it's heaven help us if McCain gets elected and kicks off and Iraq-is-a-task-from-God Sarah Palin...

That quote has been proven to have been taken out of context. Get with the program.

[conversationpc]

My fellow conservative thinkers...we can scream, bitch and moan all we like...Obama will be the next President, along with a Democrat controlled congress probably with veto/fillibuster proof majorities.

Heaven help us.

We're going to be France, Part Deux.

[Don]

My fellow conservative thinkers...we can scream, bitch and moan all we like...Obama will be the next President, along with a Democrat controlled congress probably with veto/fillibuster proof majorities.

Heaven help us.

We're going to be France, Part Deux.

The difference being, the immigrants from our former colony (Philippines) actually work and try to be a productive part of our society.

[Enigma869]

So it's ok with you guys that Biden's lied repeatedly about a drunk driver killing his wife and kid?

Here's an exercise in futility for you...Name one single politician who hasn't lied about something???? Every fucking one of them lies, every time their mouths are moving! It's a prerequisite for the job! You could never have honesty injected into politics. It would fuck the whole system up!


John from Boston

[Gin and Tonic Sky]

My fellow conservative thinkers...we can scream, bitch and moan all we like...Obama will be the next President, along with a Democrat controlled congress probably with veto/fillibuster proof majorities.

Heaven help us.

We're going to be France, Part Deux.

Dont be so pessimistic guys. Whilst I fear what European socialism will do the US (I ve seen the issues its caused in Europe first hand)big time, I ve been really impressed by some of the Repubs in the House this week. There are some potential good leaders on the horizon. Obama will win, things will go south BIG time for a while, but a new generation will leap to the fore.

Prediction right now. Winning ticket in 2012 election will be Jindal/ Petreus or Petreus/ Jindal.- two good guys. They will go to work with a congressional majority who won in 2010 by kicking all the me too socialists and pseudo conservatives out of the GOP.

[RossValoryRocks]

So it's ok with you guys that Biden's lied repeatedly about a drunk driver killing his wife and kid?

Here's an exercise in futility for you...Name one single politician who hasn't lied about something???? Every fucking one of them lies, every time their mouths are moving! It's a prerequisite for the job! You could never have honesty injected into politics. It would fuck the whole system up!


John from Boston

I agree with everything you said...except about fucking the system. It would FIX it...but the politicians would NEVER allow it!

[conversationpc]

So it's ok with you guys that Biden's lied repeatedly about a drunk driver killing his wife and kid?

Here's an exercise in futility for you...Name one single politician who hasn't lied about something???? Every fucking one of them lies, every time their mouths are moving! It's a prerequisite for the job! You could never have honesty injected into politics. It would fuck the whole system up!


John from Boston

I'm sure there are some who are honest. You can't tell who, though, because someone will twist, take out of context, distort, etc., the things that they've done. I believe Ron Paul, for instance, is an honest guy. I don't always agree with him but I think he is straightforward.

[Barb]

My fellow conservative thinkers...we can scream, bitch and moan all we like...Obama will be the next President, along with a Democrat controlled congress probably with veto/fillibuster proof majorities.

Heaven help us.

I am inclined to agree with you, Stu. Maybe it's what this country needs. After 4 years of this maybe people will try to actually get themselves informed before going out to vote. Ignorance and apathy and celebrity worship are going to be the downfall of the U.S.A.

[Gin and Tonic Sky]

I am inclined to agree with you, Stu. Maybe it's what this country needs. After 4 years of this maybe people will try to actually get themselves informed before going out to vote. Ignorance and apathy and celebrity worship are going to be the downfall of the U.S.A.

Probably true , but I wish there were a better way

[RossValoryRocks]

My fellow conservative thinkers...we can scream, bitch and moan all we like...Obama will be the next President, along with a Democrat controlled congress probably with veto/fillibuster proof majorities.

Heaven help us.

I am inclined to agree with you, Stu. Maybe it's what this country needs. After 4 years of this maybe people will try to actually get themselves informed before going out to vote. Ignorance and apathy and celebrity worship are going to be the downfall of the U.S.A.

It's not just that though. Rabid hatred is part of the reason too. I would bet that if some of the liberals in the country could physically get a hold of President Bush they would resort to physical violence.

No matter how much I dislike and disagree with Obama's positions, I consider the man a phenomenal example what can be accomoplished in this country, and extremely proud as an American with what he has accomplished in the becoming the first black candidate for President to make it to the general election and soon the Presidency itself.

No matter how bad he may mess this country up I would still be polite and civil with him, just as I was when I met Jimmy Carter while on a fishing trip.

To a liberal if you are a conservative and make mistakes or don't see things thier way you are evil, to a conservative you just make mistakes and have different views.

[Jana]

RussValloryRocks, wow, we see things differently. I am a moderate, centerist, whatever you want to call me. But a lot of my Democrat friends have voted Republican, such as me. (Well, I used to be Republican). But I voted for a Rep. governor in Florida, and might have voted for McCain . I respected McCain (until Sarah Palin fiasco). But any of my Republican friends,which most of them are, I mean, to them Democratic candidates are evil. My good friend who has a Master's degree, lives in a cosmopolitan, large city, called Obama a Muslim. What an ignorant comment. Come on. It is on BOTH sides. But I think like you. I respect different politicians even if I don't agree with them on issues. (Except Palin. I respect her as a governor and as a human being, but as a VP or President, sorry, dismally inadequate for the job to me. Just my humble opinion. ) Peace.

[Gin and Tonic Sky]

Certainlhy the level of vitriol in the public discourse is worrisome. However to add a bit of perspective, it might not be as bad as it was in the past. For example, you may have seen this story told before

http://www.senate.gov/artandhistory/his ... Sumner.htm

People used to get caned on the floor of the Senate in the 1840's. In Kansas back then you often opened your door at night and someone was there with a gun pointed at you. They asked you "Free" or "Slave" ? and depending upon how you answered (or guessed) you got blown away or allowed. to live.

Aaron burr blew Hamilton away in a duel. Then on the other hand Jefferson and Adams wrote each other friendly letters even they said openly they were political enemies.

Theres always been alot of hate around but then alot of civil unity and decency too. You just have to act civily yourself to those who disagree with you and hope your example inspires them to act the same way.

[7 Wishes]

I am inclined to agree with you, Stu. Maybe it's what this country needs. After 4 years of this maybe people will try to actually get themselves informed before going out to vote. Ignorance and apathy and celebrity worship are going to be the downfall of the U.S.A.

Yeah, I'm sure that no matter how many brilliant things Obama may or may not accomplish, they will all pale in comparison with Bush's 8 brilliant years.

[Lula]

After 4 years of this maybe people will try to actually get themselves informed before going out to vote. Ignorance and apathy and celebrity worship are going to be the downfall of the U.S.A.

Dean here. You are a mystery, complete with a very short memory. I don't know whether to laugh out loud at the idiocy you display in your over the top bias or cry for you. You are actually already determining an Obama administration will go horribly sour in 4 years and the country will wake up. Gotcha. The only education anyone needs is to simply look at the last 8 years. There is no argument- this has been the most inept, corrupt, deceitful, and mismanaged administration in this once proud nation's history. From the guy and the party who proclaimed that they were "bringing morality" back into the White House, has in fact governed the most despicable 8 years in modern history. Yet, you want the Americans, seemingly an overwhelming number of them now, to wake up and get educated and vote for "more of the same." Not listening, not this time. The GOP has earned their place at the back of the line and for good reason. Fuck them, and all their bullshit. From Bush and Cheney, to Rove and Rumsfeld, and in between, you should be embarrassed to call yourself a republican. It's sickening what these fuckers have done to the people of this nation and of the world. From outright lies to go to war, where thousands of Americans died, and hundreds of thousands Iraqi's perished, to Hurricane Katrina, where a couple more thousand died(who gives a shit, thet were mostly black anyway), to all the lies, in between. My personal favorite was Bush promising to fire anyone in his administration for leaking information, yet Mr. Rove, and Mr. Cheney smile broadly, after seeing Valerie Plame's career go in the toilet. No prob: Blame it on Scooter, pay his 400K fine, and pardon him. Great work boys. I could go on and on, but to take your words Barb, the country is getting educated and exercising their right as American's and booting your party the Hell out of office. I can tell you right now, with a nice Democratic majority in BOTH Houses, a Democratic President(with a brain), you aren't getting anywhere near power in 2, 4 or 6 years. Deal with whatever comes your way. To borrow a line you recently used, "Get over it."


By the way, whatever happened to that fucking ridiculous Sarah! sign you had in your signature line? I guess even you hardcore Cons are slightly embarrassed that the woman is dumber than a sack of hammers.

[Lula]

My fellow conservative thinkers...we can scream, bitch and moan all we like...Obama will be the next President, along with a Democrat controlled congress probably with veto/fillibuster proof majorities.

Heaven help us.

Well, a nice post til the Bullshit last 3 words. I see you close minded fuckers have already graded an Obama presidency. Come on Stu, I can see RWF, Lie Finder, and Barb screaming that shit, but you are supposed to be different. Even us who were blatantly robbed in 2000, rallied behind Bozo for a few years til it became unbearable. You seem to already want to start the" get out Obama campaign."

I need to get off here because I don't want Lula to get busted, but you Cons have had it easy. Hell, you only have 7 Wishes and a part time TNC to do battle with. Hardly fair.

[Enigma869]

After 4 years of this maybe people will try to actually get themselves informed before going out to vote.

Again, it's all a matter of perspective. Some people believe that if people were actually "informed", that we wouldn't have ended up with the buffoon we've had for the past 8 years! The thing I've learned about politics is that if a candidate one supports, wins then we have an "informed" society. That society instantly becomes "uninformed" as soon as a candidate they don't support gets elected!


John from Boston

[strangegrey]

RVR, FF and others conservatives here.

Here's the thing to really sink home. McCain is *not* a true conservative. he *never* was. You can argue all you want...but he has constantly conflicted with members of his own party, while cozying up to dems throughout his checkered career as a so-so republican senator.

Thems the facts.


I for one, am sick to death of republican presidents who do democrat style damage into the white house...while driving the republican party into the ground. It's gotta stop. Bush has done it for 8 years. He's spent more than Clinton, while Clinton has been generally far more fiscally conservative than Bush...and by all appearances, McCain will EVER be.


Yes, Obama will be president...and a democrat congress will most likely be entirely in control. However, the good news is that there will be no more republicans making liberal policy to confuse the public.


What's happening now is the last remaining 'gotcha' from the failings of bush's presidency and a republican congress that allowed a democrat minority to walk all over it for 6 years, with bush as their ally. The current 2008 election is simply more damage and fallout from the 06 election.


Hopefully, after every republican is thrown out on his fucking useless ass, for letting this shit happen on their watch....true conservatives can be elected back into office after democrat policy enacted between 2009 and beyond will have no fake-republicans to cast blame onto.

I only hope this happens before any more serious damage is done. I for one think this fucking useless bailout is/was the point of no return....I don't think this country will ever be the same.


Shame on Bush and Paulson for bringing this disgraceful piece of shit bill to us. Shame on the democrats for the political game play that resulted. Shame on McPain for adding to it. Shame on the republicans who actually voted for this piece of shit bill.......


....and shame on us for allowing the above to do what they've done to put us in this position in the first place.


I guess we get what we deserve sometimes....and some of us, who pay our taxes, are smart enough to sign reasonable mortgages and responsible enough to pay the bill on time...get what we don't deserve...

[Rhiannon]

[RedWingFan]

Dean here.

Welcome back you myopic SOB.

You are actually already determining an Obama administration will go horribly sour in 4 years and the country will wake up.

I can determine it. Because here in socialist Michigan we've been going through a one state recession since we lost Republican Governor John Engler to term limits. His departure saw liberal rule, increased taxes, increased unemployment and fleeing corporations.

The only education anyone needs is to simply look at the last 8 years.

The past 7 years have gone very well. Low inflation, unemployment (except here in Michigan), ALOT of dead terrorists, Sadaam hanged and 2 solid originalist Supreme Court justices.

There is no argument- this has been the most inept, corrupt, deceitful, and mismanaged administration in this once proud nation's history.

Maybe not in your deranged mind. Inept? You talking about Iraq? Gone far better than Mogadishu. Black Hawk shot down, soldiers dragged in the street and Clinton bails like a little bitch leading to Osama's "US is a paper tiger" belief. If that's not mismanaged and inept, then nothing is. Thanks BJ!

From the guy and the party who proclaimed that they were "bringing morality" back into the White House, has in fact governed the most despicable 8 years in modern history.

Bush hasn't been shoving cigars in bodily orifices of fat interns in the Oval Office has he? You have ZERO room to talk.

From outright lies to go to war, where thousands of Americans died

Lies? You mean there was nary 1 single UN resolution violation that Sadaam agreed to after the Gulf War? ANY violation gave us the right to resume kicking his ass! If there weren't any you better call the papers and tell them you've got the scoop.

and hundreds of thousands Iraqi's perished

Does it matter that most of them were either troops of Sadaam's regime or enemy combatants? Thought not.
Or the fact all that remain are free. Yeah, that's irrelevant too.

to Hurricane Katrina, where a couple more thousand died(who gives a shit, thet were mostly black anyway)

Again the local leadership (who was warned by the feds to get citizens out) aren't even worth mentioning in your delusion huh? Dean are you sure that's you or is it Kanye? Racebaiting bombthrower whoever you are.

My personal favorite was Bush promising to fire anyone in his administration for leaking information, yet Mr. Rove, and Mr. Cheney smile broadly, after seeing Valerie Plame's career go in the toilet. No prob: Blame it on Scooter, pay his 400K fine, and pardon him.

Again, amazingly you don't even know who Richard Armitage is? Weak dude. You've been saving all this up for how long? and this is the best you can do?

with a nice Democratic majority in BOTH Houses, a Democratic President(with a brain), you aren't getting anywhere near power in 2, 4 or 6 years. Deal with whatever comes your way. To borrow a line you recently used, "Get over it."

Yeah, we'll probably see more Fannie Mae's and Freddie Mac's popping up left and right. We'd get soaked even dryer while Barney Frank, Chris Dodd and all the other crooks pockets get fatter. The only good thing about this is the American public's aware it's going on now. Which may lead to many of your crook idols/heroes getting booted themselves. You want to put all us taxpayers through this just because you're not willing to buy your own cheese?

[Enigma869]

The past 7 years have gone very well.

What planet are you livng on?

Bush hasn't been shoving cigars in bodily orifices of fat interns in the Oval Office has he?

I wish he would! If the worse thing that could be said of Bush is that he was chasing after some, our country wouldn't be in complete disarray right now!

Again the local leadership (who was warned by the feds to get citizens out) aren't even worth mentioning in your delusion huh?

It is still beyond my comprehension how ANY human being on the planet can possibly defend the Bush administration for the handling of Hurricane Katrina. The amazing thing is that the administration has even flat out said that they dropped the ball and fucked up the Katrina situation! While I don't disagree that local officials could have and should have done more, it will never change how slow our federal government was to react, while people laid in the streets dying!

Now, on to some positive, happy thoughts. It's only another 3 hours until I get to watch Puppet Palin make a complete ass out of herself on national tv! This should be comedy at its finest


John from Boston

[Enigma869]

I wonder if while Puppet Palin was "practicing" for her debate at McCain's ranch in Arizona, if she could see Mexico from there


John from Boston

[Rhiannon]

I wonder if while Puppet Palin was "practicing" for her debate at McCain's ranch in Arizona, if she could see Mexico from there


John from Boston

[RedWingFan]

Again the local leadership (who was warned by the feds to get citizens out) aren't even worth mentioning in your delusion huh?

It is still beyond my comprehension how ANY human being on the planet can possibly defend the Bush administration for the handling of Hurricane Katrina.

And it's beyond my comprehension how you can read a post and see it as defending the Bush administration. Instead of just see it as stating obvious fact. Here I'll try again!
FEMA is supposed to respond AFTER an emergency occurs. That means they have to wait until AFTER the storm hits and passes and AFTER the people have drowned.
It was local leadership that let those peoples lungs fill with water. They were warned before they died by the feds. Nothing the feds could do to bring them back to life is there? Isn't that what's important? Or is your beef that the debit card limits weren't enough?

[Lula]

wow, wow and wow.

from iraq to katrina to corruption. there is no denying the bush admin has made some major mistakes.

looking forward to the debate!!

[The_Noble_Cause]

And it's beyond my comprehension how you can read a post and see it as defending the Bush administration. Instead of just see it as stating obvious fact. Here I'll try again!
FEMA is supposed to respond AFTER an emergency occurs. That means they have to wait until AFTER the storm hits and passes and AFTER the people have drowned.
It was local leadership that let those peoples lungs fill with water. They were warned before they died by the feds. Nothing the feds could do to bring them back to life is there? Isn't that what's important? Or is your beef that the debit card limits weren't enough?

Funny.
FEMA seemed to work pretty well under Clinton with qualified people running it.
Then Bush came in and appointed the former head of an Arabian horse sporting group to run it.
Bush also appointed a former mining executive as head of mine safety thru a recess appintment - after the Senate rejected him twice.
In both cases, the officials have done a "heckuva job."
Hell, the Secretary for Natural Resources and the Environment is a former timber lobbyist.
It goes on and on...
This happens every time a Republican president comes to power.
When the philosophical lodestar of your party is to drown government in a bathtub what do you expect?

[RedWingFan]

And it's beyond my comprehension how you can read a post and see it as defending the Bush administration. Instead of just see it as stating obvious fact. Here I'll try again!
FEMA is supposed to respond AFTER an emergency occurs. That means they have to wait until AFTER the storm hits and passes and AFTER the people have drowned.
It was local leadership that let those peoples lungs fill with water. They were warned before they died by the feds. Nothing the feds could do to bring them back to life is there? Isn't that what's important? Or is your beef that the debit card limits weren't enough?

Funny.
FEMA seemed to work pretty well under Clinton with qualified people running it.

Would Clinton's qualified people be able to remove the flood waters from those who perished and brought them back to life? Saving lives is where the failure occured. Local democrats are to blame for that. Sorry!

[Enigma869]

Nice to see the Puppet is announcing her plan! Now, if she could just get a fucking clue!

http://news.aol.com/elections/debates/a ... 1200640355


John from Boston

[Jana]

Sarah Palin was so bad in the Katie Couric interviews, very hard to watch parts of it, that now the expectation has been set so low for the debate, so I think she will do better than I'm expecting. As governor she was fine in the debates from what I've seen. She's in over her head as VP, which it clearly showed in interviews. With all the prepping, I just feel she will do better than is being stated, because, truthfully, the bar has been set so low for her, and I don't think she could do any worse. Could she?

[The_Noble_Cause]

Does it matter that most of them were either troops of Sadaam's regime or enemy combatants? Thought not.

This is a lie.
Innocent Iraqi civilian deaths vastly outweigh both enemy combatants and US military.

Or the fact all that remain are free. Yeah, that's irrelevant too.

Women and gays are less free. With the later group now targeted for death.

In fact, every rebuttal you made to Deano is erroneous in one way or another.
Just another Bush apologist whore.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Blame someone else instead of Bush for a change. It gets really old.

Holding officials accountable is a Conservative principle.
Throughout this administration, no matter the crime, you guys have been there with the dustpan in tow.
If Rush Limbaugh was on-air throughout Watergate, Nixon would never have been impeached.
Make no mistake about it.