The 2008 US Presidential Election Thread

[The_Noble_Cause]

I've never been under the impression that Obama pals around with him.

Then what's your beef?
Is Ayers on the ballot or something?
When the point was raised that Ayers was now a cardigan-wearing bookworm, you said:

"As if being a tenured professor really justifies anything in this case. Ridiculous argument. Anyway, he is not still a terrorist but he still espouses the same ideals."

[Barb]

Even if he is/was remorseful, it's not enouogh. He hasn't paid for his crimes and justice has not been served.

Why don't you go to Chicago and administer some prairie justice, Barb?
While you're down there you can keep an eye out for any sturdy oak lynching trees.

You really love the race card, don't you? You're the biggest race pimp and bigot on the board.

Doesn't bother me Dave. I know when he goes there, I've made a valid point and he's mad.

[conversationpc]

I've never been under the impression that Obama pals around with him.

Then what's your beef?
Is Ayers on the ballot or something?
When the point was raised that Ayers was now a cardigan-wearing bookworm, you said:

"As if being a tenured professor really justifies anything in this case. Ridiculous argument. Anyway, he is not still a terrorist but he still espouses the same ideals."

Piss poor argument...Ayers was brought up by someone else and I shared my opinion on him. If you want to belabor the point to justify your own shortcomings by making me look like the bad guy then go ahead. Until then, shut the piehole because you don't know what the hell you're talking about.

[7 Wishes]

No, Barb. Your arguments are more divergent and illogical than Joyce's Leopold Bloom.

[7 Wishes]

Doesn't bother me Dave. I know when he goes there, I've made a valid point and he's mad.

Barb, you haven't EVER made a valid point. You just rehash your party's talking points and parrot Limbaugh and Beck's poorly constructed "arguments" that, in fact, are not upheld by actual facts.

But, in keeping with the spirit of the Big Right Machine, you won't let actual falsehoods inter your embellishments. The intertia of the neo-conservative movement, rapidly becoming in the enormity of its own corpulence a blindly stampeding deaf elephant, is only sustained by feeding off the dessicated corpses of Swift Boat Veterans who never actually served with John Kerry, Willie Horton, and the vacuous brain cavities of the ever-dwindling number of actual scientists who still attempt to disavow global warming.

[Barb]

No, Barb. Your arguments are more divergent and illogical than Joyce's Leopold Bloom.

Do you have any idea what an idiot you look like? Bill Ayers blew up the pentagon in a fascist attempt to make an anti war statement and then became a fugitve from the law. He has not paid for his crimes.

That is FACT. If that is incoherent to you, get help.

[conversationpc]

Yep. Once again, Lie Finder, you're making something out of nothing.

'Drew is going to lose his advertisers if this keeps happening. I'm beginning to think it's not in his best interests for us to engage in ANY kind of political discussions. I have a good friend who's a bassist and composer who HATES melodic rock music, and even HE has heard about the right-wing insanity on this site. It's becoming a commonly known fact.

Until you start condemning people like TNC for supporting an unrepentant terrorist like Bill Ayers and for saying things like how he was relieved at the death of Tim Russert, I might be able to take something like this seriously. Until then, you're simply playng the partisan game.

To expound on this further...I find it pretty hilarious that the site is supposedly being pilloried for the "right-wing insanity" on this site. Were you here a couple of years ago when I joined this site? Back then, conservatives were few and far between here and there were far worse vile and hate-filled things posted here on a regular basis by people like TNC and Deano and no one seemed to have that big a problem with it at the time. But now that some of the liberals here feel threatened because we don't roll over and beg for mercy, all of a sudden it's "insanity" and we're somehow responsible for some supposed downturn in Drew's business. If he loses advertisers, it's isn't going to be because of us but because of economic problems that will have an effect on everyone.

[conversationpc]

Barb, you haven't EVER made a valid point. You just rehash your party's talking points and parrot Limbaugh and Beck's poorly constructed "arguments" that, in fact, are not upheld by actual facts.

I love how you libs keep bringing up this "your party" BS. You guys are more entrenched in and less critical of "your party" than we've ever been of our supposed party.

[7 Wishes]

Do you have any idea what an idiot you look like? Bill Ayers blew up the pentagon in a fascist attempt to make an anti war statement and then became a fugitve from the law. He has not paid for his crimes.

That is FACT. If that is incoherent to you, get help.

Oy! Once again the weapons of mass distraction!

No-one, myself included, is defending Ayers.

But he has NO CONNECTION with Obama or his campaign. That has been proven beyond the shadow of any doubt.

Boy, are you dumb.

[conversationpc]

No-one, myself included, is defending Ayers.

TNC just spent about two pages defending the guy.

Boy, are you dumb.

[Barb]

Barb, you haven't EVER made a valid point. You just rehash your party's talking points and parrot Limbaugh and Beck's poorly constructed "arguments" that, in fact, are not upheld by actual facts.

I love how you libs keep bringing up this "your party" BS. You guys are more entrenched in and less critical of "your party" than we've ever been.

I think they think if they say that often enough it will be true. Unfortunately for them, it is neither true or effective.

[Lula]

what isn't ayers in jail?

like i've already said, i think the mccain ticket is making a mistake with this one. there are those "ties" with questionable characters, racists, crooks, etc in mccain's closet as well. let mccain push this issue while obama talks about what really matters to the american people. it isn't like this ayers stuff is new news, it had been known throughout the primary and nothing came from it.

[7 Wishes]

And when was the last time you even CRITIQUED the slack-jawed, mouth-breathing ideaologues that define your party?

[Barb]

And when was the last time you even CRITIQUED the slack-jawed, mouth-breathing ideaologues that define your party?

Wow. Some objective thinker you are.

[conversationpc]

And when was the last time you even CRITIQUED the slack-jawed, mouth-breathing ideaologues that define your party?

Well, let's see...I've admitted blame by the Republicans for the financial crisis. Criticized Bush and the Republicans in Congress about overspending, the increase in the size of the federal government, about border security, the economy, the war on terror, corruption, etc., etc. This has happened throughout my time on this board. Need any more examples?

It's interesting to note that instead of answering my critique of your lack of criticism of your own party, you simply diverted attention from it instead of answering it directly.

[7 Wishes]

I think they think if they say that often enough it will be true. Unfortunately for them, it is neither true or effective.

Pray tell, Barbara. What truths have you supposedly uncovered here? None.

When you guys know you're beaten, you instead begin your tribal, ritualistic chest-thumping. All you need is a tibia and a monolith.

And Dave, I'm sorry - that last comment was directed at Barb, not you. You're quite even-keeled, except in your fanatical devotion to Dukakis and Mondale.

[Barb]

what isn't ayers in jail?

like i've already said, i think the mccain ticket is making a mistake with this one. there are those "ties" with questionable characters, racists, crooks, etc in mccain's closet as well. let mccain push this issue while obama talks about what really matters to the american people. it isn't like this ayers stuff is new news, it had been known throughout the primary and nothing came from it.

As of right now, there is nothing more. I know people are trying to find out more and have been blocked. As of now, the only thing I can really say is that if I had knowledge of a character like this, I wouldn't have anything to do with him - EVER.

I have plenty of reasons to not want Obama to be POTUS and about 99% of them are his policies. I don't need any more than that. I don't think McCain will be all that much better and up until he actuallly put a conservative on the ticket, I had no intention of voting for him either.

[conversationpc]

And Dave, I'm sorry - that last comment was directed at Barb, not you. You're quite even-keeled, except in your fanatical devotion to Dukakis and Mondale.

Huh?

[Barb]

Pray tell, Barbara.....

That condescending tone of yours doesn't work on me.

[7 Wishes]

Funny. YOUR condescending tone and ridiculing attitude definitely spurn me.

But once again, you're down for the count.

I think you and Rush will make a beautiful couple.

[Lula]

what isn't ayers in jail?

like i've already said, i think the mccain ticket is making a mistake with this one. there are those "ties" with questionable characters, racists, crooks, etc in mccain's closet as well. let mccain push this issue while obama talks about what really matters to the american people. it isn't like this ayers stuff is new news, it had been known throughout the primary and nothing came from it.

As of right now, there is nothing more. I know people are trying to find out more and have been blocked. As of now, the only thing I can really say is that if I had knowledge of a character like this, I wouldn't have anything to do with him - EVER.

I have plenty of reasons to not want Obama to be POTUS and about 99% of them are his policies. I don't need any more than that. I don't think McCain will be all that much better and up until he actuallly put a conservative on the ticket, I had no intention of voting for him either.

what people are trying to find out more and who's blocking them? this to me is news.
seriously, if ayers truly was a criminal, a homegrown terrorist, then why is he a free man?

policies, imo, are the only way to vote.

[The_Noble_Cause]

I love how you libs keep bringing up this "your party" BS. You guys are more entrenched in and less critical of "your party" than we've ever been of our supposed party.

If that were really true, there'd be a movement inside your party to impeach Bush.

[S2M]

I love how you libs keep bringing up this "your party" BS. You guys are more entrenched in and less critical of "your party" than we've ever been of our supposed party.

If that were really true, there'd be a movement inside your party to impeach Bush.

Can't impeach him....he hasn't reached 10 years of age yet.....oh wait, that's a northern australian law....

[Jana]

These remarks Palin is making regarding Obama palling around with terrorists just makes the McCain campaign look so desperate at the eleventh hour. And, obviously, she's said this numerous times, so the campaign itself has put her up to it. It won't work. McCain will have a lot of time to reflect on how he lost this race. There's another one he can add to it.

But he can't take away his remark that the fundamentals of the economy were strong and explain away what he meant by "fundamentals." That's a joke. Then a week later we're in the tank. And I, unlike some people on this thread, do believe that Sarah Palin did not help him. It gave him a boost in the short term not knowing anything about her, but in the long term hurt him. He was running on experience. And now he has a VP pick way in over her head. He needed the undecideds. He won't get them with her on the ticket. There is such a loss of confidence in McCain. To me, he is not the man I remember running against Bush. Say it ain't so, John.

[The_Noble_Cause]

TNC just spent about two pages defending the guy.

Boy, are you dumb.

All I defended was the truth in the thick haze of pig shit that passes for political discourse.
I stated that the guy is an accomplished education professor - and Obama's dealings begin and end there.
Ayers didn't have plastic explosives strapped to his chest as he sat on community panels that included Obama and others.
The terrorist connection is weak and anyone who perpetuates it is taking liberties with the facts and 9-11 fears.

[Barb]

what isn't ayers in jail?

like i've already said, i think the mccain ticket is making a mistake with this one. there are those "ties" with questionable characters, racists, crooks, etc in mccain's closet as well. let mccain push this issue while obama talks about what really matters to the american people. it isn't like this ayers stuff is new news, it had been known throughout the primary and nothing came from it.

As of right now, there is nothing more. I know people are trying to find out more and have been blocked. As of now, the only thing I can really say is that if I had knowledge of a character like this, I wouldn't have anything to do with him - EVER.

I have plenty of reasons to not want Obama to be POTUS and about 99% of them are his policies. I don't need any more than that. I don't think McCain will be all that much better and up until he actuallly put a conservative on the ticket, I had no intention of voting for him either.

what people are trying to find out more and who's blocking them? this to me is news.
seriously, if ayers truly was a criminal, a homegrown terrorist, then why is he a free man?

policies, imo, are the only way to vote.

Ayers was a fugitive from the law. The statute of limitations has expired on his crimes.

People are investigating more into the Chicago Annenburg Challenge that Ayers and Obama worked on and have been denied access. As I said, I don't know what the big deal is or if it is even a big deal, but here's the story:

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/09/08 ... -revealed/

[7 Wishes]

Wow. A microfilament connection, so "people" are investigating.

Your party is REALLY desperate now. Good luck to them. There isn't an October surprise...just a Democratic President, House, and Congress.

[donnaplease]

policies, imo, are the only way to vote.

I can't do that. I look strongly at character as well. I want to feel like I can trust the person I'm voting for. More often that not, that person has been a republican, but I don't vote for them because they are republicans. I voted for Ross Perot both times he ran , and I voted for Mark Warner as Virginia's governor.

Even if policies were my only criteria, Obama would not get my vote. His negative talk about the wars would be enough to keep me from it. Coming from a family who has had several members in the military~during wartime, and 2 sons ages 20 and 16 puts extra emphasis on national security issues for me. I need to have faith in the person that will be the commander-in-chief should either one (or both) of my sons get the call.

[Barb]

policies, imo, are the only way to vote.

I can't do that. I look strongly at character as well. I want to feel like I can trust the person I'm voting for. More often that not, that person has been a republican, but I don't vote for them because they are republicans. I voted for Ross Perot both times he ran , and I voted for Mark Warner as Virginia's governor.

Even if policies were my only criteria, Obama would not get my vote. His negative talk about the wars would be enough to keep me from it. Coming from a family who has had several members in the military~during wartime, and 2 sons ages 20 and 16 puts extra emphasis on national security issues for me. I need to have faith in the person that will be the commander-in-chief should either one (or both) of my sons get the call.

Boy are you right about that. My step son is in Iraq right now for the 2nd time. This is the last year of his 4 year committment to the Air Force. He was undecided about re-enlisting, but is convinced Obama will be the next CIC, so that was a huge part in his not wanting to re-enlist. He's been in Japan for the most part of the last 3 years, spent six months in Iraq and will be there for at least another six. He is ready to come back to the U.S.A.

[RossValoryRocks]

...just a Democratic President, House, and Congress.

Say good-bye to our economy.

Obama will raise taxes and destroy what Bush didn't.

But you are right...Obama will be President...for one term...because he is going to go Jimmy Carter on us...except it will be worse...welcome to the USSA...United Socialist States of America.