The 2008 US Presidential Election Thread

[Saint John]

May I add that you also railed against Manny Ramirez. He single-handedly carried the Dodgers into the playoffs. Care to eat those words as well?

Absolutely NOT! My stance on Manny has never and will never change. He's the best right-handed hitter that I've seen in my lifetime. He's also a first-ballot hall of famer. It doesn't change the fact that the guy is a shithead for a teammate. I played a lot of organized sports growing up, and would never want a guy with Manny's attitude as a teammate. I never said the guy wasn't talented. He's an immense talent, and always has been. I simply don't respect players who mail it in, when they don't feel like playing for the team they're under contract to, any longer. If you need any proof that he quit on the Red Sox, I'd suggest looking at his numbers while he was with the Red Sox, and then his numbers with the Dodgers. Manny should be embarrassed that he tanked it the way he did!


John from Boston

You're unappreciative. Good teammates produce. Period. So he didn't run around the clubhouse giving out handjobs. Big deal. When people needed someone to get the big hit, everyone looked to Manny. That's being a leader and a good teammate. The guy's a winner. Everywhere he goes his team wins. You'll realize and feel the impact of his absence soon enough, John. With perhaps the exception of Beckett he was the most important member of that team.

[bluejeangirl76]

Hey- isnt baseball so much better than Presidental politics ... someone clearly wins and someone clearly loses...

... and some are just born to sing the blues.

You see how you can work that song into ANYthing?
Why isn't THAT our National Anthem?
At least everyone knows the words.

[Enigma869]

Waiting eleven instead of eighty-six years is pathetic?

You are a classic example of why I'll never respect any Florida fan. You can't even intelligently argue sports! Just because the Red Sox went 86 years, without winning a World Series doesn't make their history "pathetic". They are one of the most storied franchises in ALL of sports! They have had some of the most legendary players who have ever played baseball wear a Red Sox uniform. Who is Tampa's most significant player??? Carlos Pena (a castoff from the Red Sox, I might add)! Furthermore, Red Sox fans are legendary, when it comes to supporting their team...win, lose, or draw! Also, just because the Red Sox went so long without winning a championship doesn't mean that they weren't fielding a competitive team! The Red Sox have almost always been contenders (with the exception of the early 80's), and I couldn't tell you the last time that they came anywhere near finishing last! The Rays have finished dead last in 9 of the past 10 seasons, and the only season they didn't finish last, they finished second to last! This season is the one and only season in their entire history that they actually didn't lose more games than they won! Unlike some, I actually don't think the Rays' season has been a fluke. They have a very good, young team and a superb pitching staff. This just further illustrates how dreadful their fans are. Most cities in America would get behind a team who has been in first place for most of the season, and the dreadful Tampa fans gave that team zero support, during the season. Sure...they'll come out in droves, now they they've made it to the ALCS, but even Atlanta fans do that! I actually feel sorry for the Rays, because I'm sure they'd like to be getting a lot more support than what has been showed!

Part of the expansion process.

This is a stupid excuse that couldn't be less valid! The Arizona Diamondbacks, Colorado Rockies, and Florida Marlins all came into the league around the same time as the Rays. Not one of those other teams has the pathetic record of the Rays. The Rays are also the only team of that group to get nowhere near the World Series (prior to this season).

-The home record is relevant

I know you haven't been there before, so don't really know how to act, but I can assure you that NOTHING that happened during the regular season has ANY bearing, whatsoever, on what will happen over the next week and a half! If the Rays beat the Red Sox (and they should), it will be because they have a more talented team...not because of some "mind control" (or whatever the hell you're talking about), regarding home field!

You would also think with all the sell-out games at Fenway, they'd figure out how to erect more seating.

Are you brain-dead???? You obviously know absolutely NOTHING about Fenway Park! Let me enlighten you. Up until 10 years ago, Fenway had the smallest seating capacity of any park in the majors, at just over 33,000. As of today, the capacity is just under 40,000, with 39,928, and there are 4 stadiums in the majors that are smaller than that. For the record, that's about 6000 more seats than that shithole Tropicana Field has! Even with my shitty math skills, I can figure out that they have figured out "how to erect more seating", to the tune of 6500 additional seats! You've obviously never been anywhere near Fenway, because you would understand that just adding seats to a ballpark that is literally in the middle of a neighborhood isn't as easily accomplished as you seem to think it is. That makes the additional 6500 seats even more remarkable!

-There's a new beast in the east (that didn't have to settle for a cheesy wild-card spot...the worst thing to happen to baseball).

Don't blow your load just yet, Skippy! Even if the Rays win it all, I can assure you that there is no "new beast in the east". The Yankees and Red Sox will re-load, and the Rays will go back to toiling away in obscurity, in a city that really doesn't give a fuck what they do!

-I thought Cleveland fans were the worst.

Cleveland Browns fans are actually great fans, and always have been. They never deserved to have their team stolen from them and I was glad that they got another team. As for basketball and baseball, their fans do suck. They couldn't sell out a baseball game to save their life, prior to Jacob's Field being constructed. They seem to have some support for the basketball team, but that will instantly fade, as soon as LeBron heads to the Knicks in two years! Cleveland definitely isn't a major sports town like Chicago, New York, and Detroit, but I still don't think their fans are as bad as fans from Florida, Los Angeles or in any part of Georgia!


John from Boston

[conversationpc]

Come on people...Let's get away from sports and back to the brutal politics that was pissing everyone off.

[bluejeangirl76]

Come on people...Let's get away from sports and back to the brutal politics that was pissing everyone off.

No kidding. I just caught up on last night's battle... I'm ready to watch round two.
Where's Lula? She was my favorite player. Stu came in 2nd.

[RossValoryRocks]

Come on people...Let's get away from sports and back to the brutal politics that was pissing everyone off.

No kidding. I just caught up on last night's battle... I'm ready to watch round two.
Where's Lula? She was my favorite player. Stu came in 2nd.

Thanks...I think...

Lula is a tough debater, she just needs not to pull a Dean and deal with emotions, and stick to facts!

[Uno_up]

You are a classic example of why I'll never respect any Florida fan. You can't even intelligently argue sports! Just because the Red Sox went 86 years, without winning a World Series doesn't make their history "pathetic". They are one of the most storied franchises in ALL of sports! They have had some of the most legendary players who have ever played baseball wear a Red Sox uniform. Who is Tampa's most significant player??? Carlos Pena (a castoff from the Red Sox, I might add)! Furthermore, Red Sox fans are legendary, when it comes to supporting their team...win, lose, or draw! Also, just because the Red Sox went so long without winning a championship doesn't mean that they weren't fielding a competitive team! The Red Sox have almost always been contenders (with the exception of the early 80's), and I couldn't tell you the last time that they came anywhere near finishing last! The Rays have finished dead last in 9 of the past 10 seasons, and the only season they didn't finish last, they finished second to last! This season is the one and only season in their entire history that they actually didn't lose more games than they won! Unlike some, I actually don't think the Rays' season has been a fluke. They have a very good, young team and a superb pitching staff. This just further illustrates how dreadful their fans are. Most cities in America would get behind a team who has been in first place for most of the season, and the dreadful Tampa fans gave that team zero support, during the season. Sure...they'll come out in droves, now they they've made it to the ALCS, but even Atlanta fans do that! I actually feel sorry for the Rays, because I'm sure they'd like to be getting a lot more support than what has been showed!

-It's 86 years of utter futility...spin it any way you'd like. Most storied franchises in all of sports?...huh?... Perhaps if you're making a top-100 list. Pena being a Red Sox cast-off was their own fault (one they regretted I'm sure), as was adding Lugo (a Ray's cast-off). It's eleven years...they have no one in their past of significance, unless you count Wade Boggs (who incidently at one point said he'd like to go in the Hall as a D-RAY...until the Hall said he couldn't. Maybe you could throw in Canseco. Their best overall player of present day is probably Crawford...anyways, I'm not arguing the past. It's "the now" that's important.

This is a stupid excuse that couldn't be less valid! The Arizona Diamondbacks, Colorado Rockies, and Florida Marlins all came into the league around the same time as the Rays. Not one of those other teams has the pathetic record of the Rays. The Rays are also the only team of that group to get nowhere near the World Series (prior to this season).

Again...let's talk about "the now"...There are worse teams when it comes to World Series futility...teams that have been around alot longer than the Rays: Washington/Texas
Montreal/Washington
Seattle
first runner-up is as good as last place in a division...I could care less about records.

I know you haven't been there before, so don't really know how to act, but I can assure you that NOTHING that happened during the regular season has ANY bearing, whatsoever, on what will happen over the next week and a half! If the Rays beat the Red Sox (and they should), it will be because they have a more talented team...not because of some "mind control" (or whatever the hell you're talking about), regarding home field!

Well, I won't have to wait THREE generations of family (86 years) to know how to act...you veteran, you.

Are you brain-dead???? You obviously know absolutely NOTHING about Fenway Park! Let me enlighten you. Up until 10 years ago, Fenway had the smallest seating capacity of any park in the majors, at just over 33,000. As of today, the capacity is just under 40,000, with 39,928, and there are 4 stadiums in the majors that are smaller than that. For the record, that's about 6000 more seats than that shithole Tropicana Field has! Even with my shitty math skills, I can figure out that they have figured out "how to erect more seating", to the tune of 6500 additional seats! You've obviously never been anywhere near Fenway, because you would understand that just adding seats to a ballpark that is literally in the middle of a neighborhood isn't as easily accomplished as you seem to think it is. That makes the additional 6500 seats even more remarkable!

I am fully aware of the past seat additions. Since you didn't read what I said, let me say it again...You'd think they'd figure out a way to erect MORE seating. If they continually sell-out, keep adding more or knock the dump (with the bullshit gimmicky LF wall) down and start over. [My son works a few blocks from the park and lives in Brighton]

The Yankees and Red Sox will re-load, and the Rays will go back to toiling away in obscurity, in a city that really doesn't give a fuck what they do!

Sure they will...and the Rays will have a year's more experience under their belt, Price will be a rock in their steady rotation, and Reid Brignac (one of the best ss prospects) will be on the team. Let's see...payrolls 2008 Boston $133,440,037...2008 Tampa $43,820,598. Keep pissing your money away, big boys.

[Rhiannon]

Lula is a tough debater

Are you trying to say you're the master... nevermind.

[RossValoryRocks]

Lula is a tough debater

Are you trying to say you're the master... nevermind.

I am...and have been since puberty!

[bluejeangirl76]

Come on people...Let's get away from sports and back to the brutal politics that was pissing everyone off.

No kidding. I just caught up on last night's battle... I'm ready to watch round two.
Where's Lula? She was my favorite player. Stu came in 2nd.

Thanks...I think...

Meant in the best way, Stu, I assure you. You're a good debater. I stay out of these threads, usually, because whamming my head against an oak tree gives me less of a headache, but its fun to watch everyone else go at it.

[The_Noble_Cause]

I've labeled him a socialist...

Obama is the bigger recipient of corporate money, and you expect us to believe he is some guerilla revolutionary?
The only socialist in Congress is Bernie Sanders, and he has been far far more prescient on the financial meltdown than all of the titans of wall street combined.

I also think he is a liar due to the fact he sat in Mr. Anti-America's church...

Mr. Anti-America has three letters of commendation from the White House for valiently serving his country.
Where are your medals Dave?

[conversationpc]

I also think he is a liar due to the fact he sat in Mr. Anti-America's church...

Mr. Anti-America has three letters of commendation from the White House for valiently serving his country.
Where are your medals Dave?

You used this same line of reasoning on the Ayers topic from the other day. It didn't work there and it won't work here, either. Just because he received medals does not mean that he cannot be anti-American. I've listened to the entire sermon from which we've all heard and seen those quotes and much of the rest of it is just as anti-American as those oft-heard quotes are. He deserves commendation for his service but he also deserves condemnation for the comments he made against his country.

By your line of reasoning, anyone who doesn't have experience in any particular area they are discussing/debating, cannot comment on it. Piss poor reasoning, it is.

[Rhiannon]

I also think he is a liar due to the fact he sat in Mr. Anti-America's church...

Mr. Anti-America has three letters of commendation from the White House for valiently serving his country.
Where are your medals Dave?

I think to be totally fair and neutral (or try to be) here, Barack is a public figure. He is well aware that as such he needs to closely watch and scrutinize who and what he associates himself with. Because though we may not "know" him, we as the constituency base and form our opinions on leaders from various sources, including past dealings, present actions, and future plans. Regardless of whether Obama is or isn't the perfect American, he shouldn't be running for the office of President while attending church with a outspoken negative-America pastor. Plain and simple. And the fact that none of this seemed to "bother" him until the public caught wind of it, leaves a LOT to suspicion.

[Enigma869]

You're unappreciative. Good teammates produce. Period.

The numbers don't lie, Dan! He didn't "produce" in Boston this past season. He took himself out of many games, and when he was in there, wasn't even putting an honest effort in. Again, look at his numbers in Boston and then look at his L.A. numbers from this season. It's pretty clear that Manny was just looking to get out of town, before he decided he wanted to play baseball!

When people needed someone to get the big hit, everyone looked to Manny.

This was not true, AT ALL, this past season. Prior to this season, I do agree with you, but would say it was more Manny and Ortiz who were both looked to for the big hit, and not just Manny alone!

That's being a leader and a good teammate.

Manny has never been a "leader". Having great numbers doesn't automatically make you a leader. There is far more to it than just that!

The guy's a winner. Everywhere he goes his team wins.

Really? What did Cleveland ever win when Manny was there?

With perhaps the exception of Beckett he was the most important member of that team.

Manny was definitely important for a lot of seasons. This season, Dustin Pedroia and Jon Lester have been the most signifcant members of the Red Sox. I wouldn't have Manny or Becket on the list!


John from Boston

[The_Noble_Cause]

By your line of reasoning, anyone who doesn't have experience in any particular area they are discussing/debating, cannot comment on it. Piss poor reasoning, it is.

No, by my line of reasoning, lilly livered pieces of chicken shit shouldn’t be so quick to condemn the patriotism of others.
Obama's connection to Rev. Wright made him infinitely more appealing as a candidate.
It hinted at untapped Chomsky-esque substantive depths, rather then the mealy-mouthed gruel on display by both parties.

[bluejeangirl76]

To hell with both candidates. I don't like either one of them.

I'm voting for...



He's got less hot air in him.

[conversationpc]

The numbers don't lie, Dan! He didn't "produce" in Boston this past season. He took himself out of many games, and when he was in there, wasn't even putting an honest effort in. Again, look at his numbers in Boston and then look at his L.A. numbers from this season. It's pretty clear that Manny was just looking to get out of town, before he decided he wanted to play baseball!

Yeah, I don't think it's much of a coincidence that he put up those kinds of numbers AFTER being traded. Dude hit nearly .400 and had a slugging percentage well over .700 for nearly a third of the season.

When people needed someone to get the big hit, everyone looked to Manny.

This was not true, AT ALL, this past season. Prior to this season, I do agree with you, but would say it was more Manny and Ortiz who were both looked to for the big hit, and not just Manny alone!

Absolutely...Ortiz has probably been the best clutch hitter in the game over the last several years. Manny has been good in that department but Ortiz has come up with more big hits.

Really? What did Cleveland ever win when Manny was there?

Yeah, he kinda wore out his welcome in Cleveland just like he did in Boston and probably will do in LA if he stays there long enough.

Manny was definitely important for a lot of seasons. This season, Dustin Pedroia and Jon Lester have been the most signifcant members of the Red Sox. I wouldn't have Manny or Becket on the list!

I'd add J.D. Drew to that list also. He replaced Ortiz's numbers quite capably while he was out of the lineup.

[Barb]

By your line of reasoning, anyone who doesn't have experience in any particular area they are discussing/debating, cannot comment on it. Piss poor reasoning, it is.

No, by my line of reasoning, lilly livered pieces of chicken shit shouldn’t be so quick to condemn the patriotism of others.
Obama's connection to Rev. Wright made him infinitely more appealing as a candidate.
It hinted at untapped Chomsky-esque substantive depths, rather then the mealy-mouthed gruel on display by both parties.

As long as you understand that only about 15-20% of the country would agree with you, no problem. Most Americans take issue with a man of God screeching GOD DAMN AMERICA during church services or referring to the United States as the US OF KKK A.

Democrats and Republicans who could never agree on much of anything else will agree on this.

[conversationpc]

No, by my line of reasoning, lilly livered pieces of chicken shit shouldn’t be so quick to condemn the patriotism of others.

You don't know jack shit about me to be able to say something like this. I haven't served in the military but I've gone through some pretty tough crap in my life. You're way off base here.

Obama's connection to Rev. Wright made him infinitely more appealing as a candidate.
It hinted at untapped Chomsky-esque substantive depths, rather then the mealy-mouthed gruel on display by both parties.

Yeah, and boy he abandoned that dude right quick when it looked bad for him, didn't he? Talk about lack of character. I'd have had a ton more respect for Obama if he had defended his buddy, rather than dumping him like a bag of trash.

[The_Noble_Cause]

As long as you understand that only about 15-20% of the country would agree with you, no problem. Most Americans take issue with a man of God screeching GOD DAMN AMERICA during church services or referring to the United States as the US OF KKK A.

Democrats and Republicans who could never agree on much of anything else will agree on this.

Who the hell cares what you think?
You already admitted you don't follow politics, meaning your Conservative zeal is probably fueled by which party is more likely to usher in the apocalypse or wage a LGBT-themed holocaust. And your fawning over Sarah Palin was a profile in personality cultism and pavlovian knee-jerk impulses.
The black man's burden, or how it is expressed, is not for you or me to snipe at.

[conversationpc]

You already admitted you don't follow politics, meaning your Conservative zeal is probably fueled by which party is more likely to usher in the apocalypse or wage a LGBT-themed holocaust.

Ah, the race/bigot card once again. That thing's gotta be pretty worn out by now.

[Barb]

As long as you understand that only about 15-20% of the country would agree with you, no problem. Most Americans take issue with a man of God screeching GOD DAMN AMERICA during church services or referring to the United States as the US OF KKK A.

Democrats and Republicans who could never agree on much of anything else will agree on this.

Who the hell cares what you think?
You already admitted you don't follow politics, meaning your Conservative zeal is probably fueled by which party is more likely to usher in the apocalypse or wage a LGBT-themed holocaust. And your fawning over Sarah Palin was a profile in personality cultism and pavlovian knee-jerk impulses.
The black man's burden, or how it is expressed, is not for you or me to snipe at.

When did I say I didn't follow politics? If I recall, the poll numbers against "Rev." Wright were staggering. Why don't you take a break from the name calling and race baiting and do some actual thinking for a change.

[conversationpc]

You already admitted you don't follow politics..

When did I say I didn't follow politics?

Yeah, I was kinda scratching my head on that one also.

[Barb]

TNC, you know what is really funny about what you just wrote to me?

I am at work right now sitting between 2 of my favorite people on this earth. One of them has been my boss for the last 16 years and is gay. He is the smartest person I know. He is also one of the best human beings I know. The other person is a black woman who has been on our team for the past eight plus years and is a very good friend who I could not respect more.

Your ignorance of how actual conservatives think and feel is blinding. Hold onto your stereotypes though - it seems to give you a lot of comfort along with empty ammunition.

[Enigma869]

TNC, you know what is really funny about what you just wrote to me?

I am at work right now sitting between 2 of my favorite people on this earth. One of them has been my boss for the last 16 years and is gay. He is the smartest person I know. He is also one of the best human beings I know. The other person is a black woman who has been on our team for the past eight plus years and is a very good friend who I could not respect more.

Your ignorance of how actual conservatives think and feel is blinding. Hold onto your stereotypes though - it seems to give you a lot of comfort along with empty ammunition.

I don't think it's fair to say that all conservatives are racist. Racist people are racist. I know people who describe themselves as "liberal" who are racist and homophobic! Unfortunately, racism knows no political boundaries!


John from Boston

[7 Wishes]

When did I say I didn't follow politics? If I recall, the poll numbers against "Rev." Wright were staggering. Why don't you take a break from the name calling and race baiting and do some actual thinking for a change.

First of all, here's something for you to read.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/50lies.asp

Given that you've taken the same putrid bait your party has been casting in the proverbial dwindling waters of their ignorant constituencies for years now, it's quite apparent you do very little of your own thinking. Your posts are little more than unoriginal re-hashed blurbs of spiteful GOP smear tactics and over-used talking points. The usual retinue of Rove-trained attack dogs are looking like a pack of braying hounds that aren't quite sure where the fox is.

Here are some news flashes for you:

* Franklin Raines is NOT, nor has he ever been, an adviser to the Obama campaign;
* Obama is a life-long dedicated Christian;
* 95% Americans will save more on taxes under Obama's plan than McCain's, and people earning over $250,000 will STILL be taxed at a lower rate than any time under Reagan;
* Obama has been present in the Senate FAR MORE than McCain during the past four years;
* Obama has no connection with Rezko. Barack Obama bought a house. Tony Rezko, in a separate purchase, bought the neighboring lot. That's the connection.
* Obama attended one reception in his honor at Ayers’s house. They also were separately asked by a charitable organization to serve on that organization’s board. And that’s it. There’s no friendship between the two, no relationship, no history of working together. Period. There is NO PROOF to the contrary. ANYWHERE.
* Corsi's book about Obama contains no fewer than 745 factual errors;

So, move along now, Barbara.

[Barb]

When did I say I didn't follow politics? If I recall, the poll numbers against "Rev." Wright were staggering. Why don't you take a break from the name calling and race baiting and do some actual thinking for a change.

First of all, here's something for you to read.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/50lies.asp

Given that you've taken the same putrid bait your party has been casting in the proverbial dwindling waters of their ignorant constituencies for years now, it's quite apparent you do very little of your own thinking. Your posts are little more than unoriginal re-hashed blurbs of spiteful GOP smear tactics and over-used talking points. The usual retinue of Rove-trained attack dogs are looking like a pack of braying hounds that aren't quite sure where the fox is.

Here are some news flashes for you:

* Franklin Raines is NOT, nor has he ever been, an adviser to the Obama campaign;
* Obama is a life-long dedicated Christian;
* 95% Americans will save more on taxes under Obama's plan than McCain's, and people earning over $250,000 will STILL be taxed at a lower rate than any time under Reagan;
* Obama has been present in the Senate FAR MORE than McCain during the past four years;
* Obama has no connection with Rezko. Barack Obama bought a house. Tony Rezko, in a separate purchase, bought the neighboring lot. That's the connection.
* Obama attended one reception in his honor at Ayers’s house. They also were separately asked by a charitable organization to serve on that organization’s board. And that’s it. There’s no friendship between the two, no relationship, no history of working together. Period. There is NO PROOF to the contrary. ANYWHERE.
* Corsi's book about Obama contains no fewer than 745 factual errors;

So, move along now, Barbara.

* The name Franklin Raines has never been typed on my keyboard until this second.
* I have never disputed that Obama was a Christian - NOR DO I FUCKING CARE!
* I don't accept Obama talking points. You are wrong on this point, but no amount of evidence will convince you, so think what you want.
* The name Rezko has never been typed on my keyboard until just this second.
* Apparently you did not watch the lengthy CNN piece Fact Finder posted earlier done by none other than Anderson Cooper.
* Jerome Corsi is a conspiracy theorist who thinks we took down our own towers on 9/11. As far as I'm concerned NOTHING he says is credible.

Again, you lump me into the same category as every other conservative without getting ONE POINT correct.

It is you who needs to move along, muscles.

[RossValoryRocks]

When did I say I didn't follow politics? If I recall, the poll numbers against "Rev." Wright were staggering. Why don't you take a break from the name calling and race baiting and do some actual thinking for a change.

First of all, here's something for you to read.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/50lies.asp

Given that you've taken the same putrid bait your party has been casting in the proverbial dwindling waters of their ignorant constituencies for years now, it's quite apparent you do very little of your own thinking. Your posts are little more than unoriginal re-hashed blurbs of spiteful GOP smear tactics and over-used talking points. The usual retinue of Rove-trained attack dogs are looking like a pack of braying hounds that aren't quite sure where the fox is.

Here are some news flashes for you:

* Franklin Raines is NOT, nor has he ever been, an adviser to the Obama campaign;
* Obama is a life-long dedicated Christian;
* 95% Americans will save more on taxes under Obama's plan than McCain's, and people earning over $250,000 will STILL be taxed at a lower rate than any time under Reagan;
* Obama has been present in the Senate FAR MORE than McCain during the past four years;
* Obama has no connection with Rezko. Barack Obama bought a house. Tony Rezko, in a separate purchase, bought the neighboring lot. That's the connection.
* Obama attended one reception in his honor at Ayers’s house. They also were separately asked by a charitable organization to serve on that organization’s board. And that’s it. There’s no friendship between the two, no relationship, no history of working together. Period. There is NO PROOF to the contrary. ANYWHERE.
* Corsi's book about Obama contains no fewer than 745 factual errors;

So, move along now, Barbara.

Dude you need to stop...I am laughing so hard right now tears are in my eyes...once again you go pull info from some liberal blog/website or something.

The snopes article while enlightening shows that while there is some distortion, there is a lot of truth to the comments.

Franklin Raines is most certainly an Obama advisor, he just hid himself after Fannie Mae went belly up.

Jim Johnson is another Fannie Mae CEO who thrashed the the company...and he was in charge of Obama's VP search.

Tony Rezko and he were a hell of a lot close than that, you need to go find the whole story, not what is written on Obama's campaign site. Obama's people are actively trying to get Rezko's sentencing postponed until AFTER the election, in case Rezko spills his guts.

If Obama were a dedicated Christian he wouldn't have sat in the pews listening to Rev. Wright for 20 years.

Obama is going raise taxes on the VERY people who fuel the stock markets and provide the capital investments to start new companies and will drive our economy into another great depression.

Bill Ayers worked to get a grant for $50 million which went to the Annenberg Challenge headed by??? You guessed it...Barrack Obama. They sat on the boards of several foundations together, Bill Ayers hosted a meet and greet for Obama in the early 90's which helped kick off Obama's political career.

I haven't read Corsi's book, so I don't know what the errors are or aren't...but I do know you don't do enough of your own research.

You really really really need to look other places besides Obama's site, the Democrat 527 sites and blogs man. I mean think about it...It would be like going up to a criminal on death row and asking if they are guilty...they would almost all say they were framed, and they are innocent. How can you think ANY politicians website is going to be different?\

But you need to tell me where you go, I need a good laugh and those sites would be it.

[7 Wishes]

Stu, I didn't "rip this off" from a liberal website. Everything I wrote has been verified by factcheck. Give it a rest. What I wrote is true. And it's not debatable. YOU are the one who is citing crazy right-wing blogs spearheaded by lying idiots like Corsi.

[RossValoryRocks]

Stu, I didn't "rip this off" from a liberal website. Everything I wrote has been verified by factcheck. Give it a rest. What I wrote is true. And it's not debatable. YOU are the one who is citing crazy right-wing blogs spearheaded by lying idiots like Corsi.

Sorry dude...you are wrong wrong wrong...I think I need to come down for that intervention now...it will be ok...put down the Chomsky books and step away from the DNC literature! LOL

I am not citing anything other than what is in the news my brother. Nothing from right wing websites. Sorry.