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Postby conversationpc » Fri Oct 10, 2008 1:36 am

Fact Finder wrote:Anybody seeing the news this morning about the ACORN investigation in 11 States? Apparently there are more registered voters in Indianapolis than real population. Some shit is going down all over the Country to investigate this fraud known as ACORN.

“I’ve been fighting alongside ACORN on issues you care about my entire career. Even before I was an elected official, when I ran Project Vote voter registration drive in Illinois, ACORN was smack dab in the middle of it, and we appreciate your work.” — Barack Obama, Speech to ACORN, November 2007



I live in the Indianapolis area and work on the south side of Indianapolis and I first heard about this story on a national news program. I just briefly glanced through the Indianapolis Star's web site and didn't see any mention of this story.
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Postby Lula » Fri Oct 10, 2008 2:21 am

seems ACORN has been under investigation in several states, hope it is resolved soon.
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Postby brywool » Fri Oct 10, 2008 2:28 am

NO. He's NOT Steve F'ing Perry. But he's Arnel F'ing Pineda and I'm okay with that.
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Postby Lula » Fri Oct 10, 2008 2:44 am



unfortunately this is rolling stone so very few will take is seriously. :roll:
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Postby conversationpc » Fri Oct 10, 2008 2:54 am

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unfortunately this is rolling stone so very few will take is seriously. :roll:


Have they done an article on Obama like this yet? His past is just as littered with questionable associations and untruths as McCain's, if not more.
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Postby Barb » Fri Oct 10, 2008 3:00 am

conversationpc wrote:
Lula wrote:


unfortunately this is rolling stone so very few will take is seriously. :roll:


Have they done an article on Obama like this yet? His past is just as littered with questionable associations and untruths as McCain's, if not more.


You're kidding, right? The Rolling Stone cover with Obama was just an angelic messiah like image of Obama with absolutely no text anywhere on it.

Neal Schon was absolutely correct when he said he used RS for toilet paper. Anyone who doesn't think this is a liberal publication is blind and stupid.


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(The other issue where he was on the cover was titled "A New Hope") Ya, you will find objective commentary about Obama in there, I'm sure. :roll:
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Postby Lula » Fri Oct 10, 2008 3:04 am

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unfortunately this is rolling stone so very few will take is seriously. :roll:


Have they done an article on Obama like this yet? His past is just as littered with questionable associations and untruths as McCain's, if not more.


i'd say it is highly unlikely that obama's past has more dark spots in it than mccain's simply based on mccain's age and time in politics. mccain's campaign has been nothing but negative and to me that has completely tarnished what is left of an honorable record. the 527s are free to roam on both sides, but the mccain approved ads are pure negativity against obama and lack any substance that speaks to the times we live in.
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Postby The_Noble_Cause » Fri Oct 10, 2008 3:15 am

Not sure why there is an expectation of even-handedness when it comes to Rolling Stone.
Since the days of Hunter Thompson ravaging Nixon, when has RS ever thrown its weight behind a Republican?
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Postby Barb » Fri Oct 10, 2008 3:17 am

Lula, I have a sincere question for you... if it came to light that John McCain had a friendly relationship with Timothy McVeigh, would that be relevant?

It is mind blowing to me how anyone can just choose to ignore all of the radicals in Obama's circle of friends or that he was a member of a socialist party.
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Postby Barb » Fri Oct 10, 2008 3:17 am

The_Noble_Cause wrote:Not sure why there is an expectation of even-handedness when it comes to Rolling Stone.
Since the days of Hunter Thompson ravaging Nixon, when has RS ever thrown its weight behind a Republican?


I have no expectation of fairness from Rolling Stone. I know what they are. They are inept now at both music and politics. :lol:
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Postby brywool » Fri Oct 10, 2008 3:19 am

Lula wrote:
conversationpc wrote:
Lula wrote:


unfortunately this is rolling stone so very few will take is seriously. :roll:


Have they done an article on Obama like this yet? His past is just as littered with questionable associations and untruths as McCain's, if not more.


i'd say it is highly unlikely that obama's past has more dark spots in it than mccain's simply based on mccain's age and time in politics. mccain's campaign has been nothing but negative and to me that has completely tarnished what is left of an honorable record. the 527s are free to roam on both sides, but the mccain approved ads are pure negativity against obama and lack any substance that speaks to the times we live in.


Exactly. I'm sure there's a ton of stuff out there on Obama, but so much of what I've been hearing on him is more supposition and conjecture. Other than McCain's POW time, the 'honor' seems to be more fabricated to further his career than not. The guy is as presidential as Floyd the Barber from The Andy Griffith Show. Just seems like a dottering old man and also a hothead at the same time. He stammers over every other word and is doing the typical Bush-type of mudslinging with his politics. I cannot see this guy as president. Obama, on the other hand, comes across as well-educated and more in control of himself than McCain could ever hope.

I cannot see how anybody can vote for McCain. What's to like? Read the article. It's interesting stuff and a lot of it (Keating 5, his war record) are based on facts. Sure, a lot of it is also based on former friends and employees as well, but it's definitely interesting reading. (subjective)

The fact that the guy was a POW is completely admirable, not to mention sad. But I don't think that background is grounds for a presidency. I just know what I don't like and I don't like him. He seems like he'll be worse than Bush (Jesus, is that possible???). I also can't see how, after the past 4 years, that the republicans have a chance in Hell of winning this. Not a slam, just what I see.

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Postby The_Noble_Cause » Fri Oct 10, 2008 3:31 am

Barb wrote:Lula, I have a sincere question for you... if it came to light that John McCain had a friendly relationship with Timothy McVeigh, would that be relevant?


Obama was all of 8 when Ayers committed his actions, and the board they served on had Republicans on it.
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Postby conversationpc » Fri Oct 10, 2008 3:34 am

The_Noble_Cause wrote:Obama was all of 8 when Ayers committed his actions, and the board they served on had Republicans on it.


Lib talking point & red herring alert!!! :lol:

Really, though. No one's saying that Obama was part of the Weathermen when he was a mere lad and who cares if Republicans were on the board. If they're still in government, they should fall under the same scrutiny.
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Postby Barb » Fri Oct 10, 2008 3:36 am

The_Noble_Cause wrote:
Barb wrote:Lula, I have a sincere question for you... if it came to light that John McCain had a friendly relationship with Timothy McVeigh, would that be relevant?


Obama was all of 8 when Ayers committed his actions, and the board they served on had Republicans on it.
Should they all swing from the gallows together?


The defense that Obama was 8 years old is so stupid. Who cares how old he was? Obama was plenty old enough to understand who and what Ayers was when he met him and became involved with him and when he endorsed his book. People like that should be SHUNNED period. How old was Obama when this pic was taken?

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Postby conversationpc » Fri Oct 10, 2008 3:40 am

Barb wrote:The defense that Obama was 8 years old is so stupid. Who cares how old he was? Obama was plenty old enough to understand who and what Ayers was when he met him and became involved with him and when he endorsed his book. People like that should be SHUNNED period. How old was Obama when this pic was taken?

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[sarcasm]Yeah, but Ayers is a professor now and has gotten awards, you know. Apparently, you didn't know that justifies what he did.[/sarcasm]

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Postby sadie65 » Fri Oct 10, 2008 3:42 am

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sadie65 wrote:There are trade offs for everything. While I have tremendous benefits, I relocated. My home has not been sold in 2.5 years..making housing a serious concern for me. While the cost of living is far cheaper where I currently am, I still carry a mortgage that is not in line with the pay I receive. I do not live outside my means, but I am (like just about every other person) impacted greatly by today's economy. I have family members with extremely serious medical concerns, family in the military in the Middle East, and a growing son. Life is a series of choices. I am grateful that currently I do have these benefits and do not take them for granted. A $10 co-pay and a $500 deductible is a very lucky thing for me right now.

Here's to a future where we learn as a society to take responsibility and accountability for our choices.

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I empathize with your housing dilemma. It seems to be all too commonplace in today's world. As for learning "as a society to take responsibility and accountability for our choices"....I'm not really sure what this has to do with healthcare. I am cognizant that people are free to work where they want to work (assuming they are qualified). That doesn't change the fact that not everyone has access to affordable healthcare. I realize that for many who have affordable healthcare, they believe everyone has the same access. That doesn't make it reality. The truth of the matter is that for many small business owners, healthcare is VERY cost-prohibitive. Another thing people may not understand is that buying health care coverage on your own, if you have any pre-existing conditions, is virtually impossible to do. Insurance regulations do not allow companies to not cover you for a pre-existing condition, but insurance companies are free to simply not write you a policy, which almost always happens! This never happens when people work for someone else, and change jobs, because group insurance coverage does not allow for denial of coverage.


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When I said responsibility for choices, I apologize, for I wasn't intending that regarding health care. Simply that America, by and large has taught itself that people should aim for more than what they can afford. That their actions and choices don't have repercussions. Health care is something that people should have access to that is affordable. I apologize that my comments were mixed in there. I truly believe America has done itself a great disservice in how we teach our youth responsibility and consequences for decisions. Elections are no different. We all love to armchair quarterback, and yet voter apathy has beeen a part of my life for as long as I can remember. We, in this society, want instant gratification. Instant success and recognition. And when that doesn't happen... we wonder what went wrong.

News is no longer news...it's titillation and sound bites. Politics claims to be about issues and people. But what do the majority of people in this country gravitate towards. The latest sound bite. When people start truly taking responsibility for themselves and start becoming more involved in what they want from their government, instead of complaining with no follow up behind it...perhaps we will get somewhere. Until then...I don't think either candidate here is going to do enough to satisfy anyone. What's in it for me rules the day...not what can I do to make it better.

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Postby The_Noble_Cause » Fri Oct 10, 2008 3:43 am

conversationpc wrote:
The_Noble_Cause wrote:Obama was all of 8 when Ayers committed his actions, and the board they served on had Republicans on it.


Lib talking point & red herring alert!!! :lol:


It's not a red herring, and any political slight of hand is emanating from your side in continuing to say Obama is friends with a terrorist.
I'm sure the drumbeat invocation of Obama's middle eastern-sounding middle name is strictly accidental right? :roll:

conversationpc wrote:...and who cares if Republicans were on the board. If they're still in government, they should fall under the same scrutiny.


Only they haven't been, and no one blinked an eye when they participated on the panel because it was as much of a non-issue then as it remains now.
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Postby Barb » Fri Oct 10, 2008 3:43 am

Fact Finder wrote:
Obama Hired ACORN For GOTV

by Amanda Carpenter

Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama is the first national candidate ever to hire ACORN, a controversial non-profit accused of voter fraud across the country, for get out the vote activities.

Obama’s campaign paid $800,000 to a subsidiary of the liberally-leaning non-profit Association of Community Organizers for Reform called Citizens Services Incorporated campaign to increase voter turnout.

This information, however, was not properly disclosed to the Federal Election Commission. The Obama campaign said it hired CSI to do “polling, advance work and staging events” according to reports submitted to the FEC during the Democratic primary.

The FEC said the Obama campaign needed to disclose ACORN was engaging in get out the vote activities last August. At the time the Obama campaign called the mistake a “clerical error.”

To date, ACORN has been accused of voter fraud in 15 states this election cycle.

Obama has close ties to the organization. Before becoming a member of the Illinois State Senate, Obama represented ACORN in a lawsuit to help push for “Motor Voter” laws to make it easier for low-income persons to vote.

Later, as director of the Woods Fund and Chairman of the Board of Chicago Annenberg Challenge Obama helped steer funds to ACORN through various grants.

Obama sought ACORN’s endorsement in the Democratic primary telling ACORN members, “Even before I was an elected official, when I ran Project Vote voter registration drive in Illinois, ACORN was smack dab in the middle of it, and we appreciate your work.”

“Project Vote” is the name ACORN’s voter registration drives are called. Obama worked for Project Vote for a period of roughly seven months in 1992.

ACORN endorsed Obama for president in February 2008.



"I kept getting approached by folks who asked me to register," Barkley said. "They'd ask me if I was registered. I'd say yes, and they'd ask me to do it [register] again.


"Some of them were getting paid to collect names. That was their sob story, and I bought it," he said.

Barkley is one of at least three people who have been subpoenaed by the Cuyahoga County Board of Elections as part of a wider inquiry into possible voter fraud by ACORN. The group seeks to register low-income voters, who skew overwhelmingly Democratic.

"You can tell them you're registered as many times as you want - they do not care," said Lateala Goins, 21, who was subpoenaed.

"They will follow you to the buses, they will follow you home, it does not matter," she told The Post.

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Postby brywool » Fri Oct 10, 2008 3:45 am

Fact Finder wrote:
Barb wrote:
The_Noble_Cause wrote:
Barb wrote:Lula, I have a sincere question for you... if it came to light that John McCain had a friendly relationship with Timothy McVeigh, would that be relevant?


Obama was all of 8 when Ayers committed his actions, and the board they served on had Republicans on it.
Should they all swing from the gallows together?


The defense that Obama was 8 years old is so stupid. Who cares how old he was? Obama was plenty old enough to understand who and what Ayers was when he met him and became involved with him and when he endorsed his book. People like that should be SHUNNED period. How old was Obama when this pic was taken?

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Postby conversationpc » Fri Oct 10, 2008 3:45 am

The_Noble_Cause wrote:It's not a red herring, and any political slight of hand is emanating from your side in continuing to say Obama is friends with a terrorist.


It is a red herring. No one's saying Obama's guilty of Ayers' crimes or for hanging around with him when he was eight years old.

I'm sure the drumbeat invocation of Obama's middle eastern-sounding middle name is strictly accidental right? :roll:


I've never done that and I challenge you to prove me wrong. I'll accept your apology before it's made.

Only they haven't been, and no one blinked an eye when they participated on the panel because it was as much of a non-issue then as it remains now.


Who are they? Are they nationally prominent politicians?
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Postby The_Noble_Cause » Fri Oct 10, 2008 3:45 am

Barb wrote:How old was Obama when this pic was taken?

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As far as I'm aware that cover was done in promotion of his book.
Given his radical past, I think its fitting.
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Postby conversationpc » Fri Oct 10, 2008 3:47 am

The_Noble_Cause wrote:
Barb wrote:How old was Obama when this pic was taken?

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As far as I'm aware that cover was done in promotion of his book.
Given his radical past, I think its fitting.


Yes, it is fitting for him and further proof of his hatred for his own country.
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Postby Barb » Fri Oct 10, 2008 3:51 am

FactFinder... have you read anything about the lawsuit filed against Obama to prove he is a U.S. citizen? I thought I heard that the DNC's attorneys are trying to block the case from being heard until after the election? I can't really find anything concrete on it, so may be a BS story.
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Postby conversationpc » Fri Oct 10, 2008 3:54 am

Barb wrote:FactFinder... have you read anything about the lawsuit filed against Obama to prove he is a U.S. citizen? I thought I heard that the DNC's attorneys are trying to block the case from being heard until after the election? I can't really find anything concrete on it, so may be a BS story.


In my opinion, it is BS but then I haven't heard much about it. Even if it were true and he were elected, he would be forced to resign anyway, right?
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Postby The_Noble_Cause » Fri Oct 10, 2008 3:55 am

conversationpc wrote:It is a red herring. No one's saying Obama's guilty of Ayers' crimes or for hanging around with him when he was eight years old.


Bullshit.
The whole "palling around with a terrorist" soundbyte is totally uncontextualized from the circumstances in which their interaction took place.
Obama was no more engaging with a terrorist then any of various creatures of establishment (bankers, Repubs etc) who served on the panel.
Like the "lipstick on a pig" non-scandal, you guys will desperately cling to this until it costs you the election.

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The_Noble_Cause wrote:I'm sure the drumbeat invocation of Obama's middle eastern-sounding middle name is strictly accidental right? :roll:


I've never done that and I challenge you to prove me wrong. I'll accept your apology before it's made.


Sorry.
You are an avowed Conservative and these tactics are from your team.
Like Obama and Ayers, I have to go with guilt by association here.
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Postby The_Noble_Cause » Fri Oct 10, 2008 4:27 am

Fact Finder wrote:McCain is kicking ass today in Wisconsin. Kicking ass and NAMING NAMES...Audience is fucking fed up with the economic problem and one member asked McCain to name names and make these people responsible when he is President...


Great.
Did anyone scream "Kill him!" and "Terrorist!" upon mention of Obama, as happened yesterday when Palin played up the Ayers connection?
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Postby Don » Fri Oct 10, 2008 4:34 am

The_Noble_Cause wrote:
Fact Finder wrote:McCain is kicking ass today in Wisconsin. Kicking ass and NAMING NAMES...Audience is fucking fed up with the economic problem and one member asked McCain to name names and make these people responsible when he is President...


Great.
Did anyone scream "Kill him!" and "Terrorist!" upon mention of Obama, as happened yesterday when Palin played up the Ayers connection?


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Postby brywool » Fri Oct 10, 2008 4:36 am

Fact Finder wrote:McCain is kicking ass today in Wisconsin. Kicking ass and NAMING NAMES...Audience is fucking fed up with the economic problem and one member asked McCain to name names and make these people responsible when he is President. McCain's gonna need to hammer the Dems on this. They are responsible for this mess and quite frankly may have done it on purpose in their quest to live out their socialist wet dreams. They have always wanted to destroy capitalism and this was a way to do it. Why do you think the libs don't want to drill here, it hurts the USA and our Capitalist System. See the Weather Underground types and New Party and DSA members.

Folks, you are seeing an epic fight between Capitalism and Socialism right before your eyes. Pick your side.


Kicking ass... right. Didn't they BOTH just give "Those who should be named" a bailout?? Like they're going to do anything about it.
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Postby brywool » Fri Oct 10, 2008 4:37 am

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Fact Finder wrote:McCain is kicking ass today in Wisconsin. Kicking ass and NAMING NAMES...Audience is fucking fed up with the economic problem and one member asked McCain to name names and make these people responsible when he is President...


Great.
Did anyone scream "Kill him!" and "Terrorist!" upon mention of Obama, as happened yesterday when Palin played up the Ayers connection?


Gotta luv the Rush supporters!
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