The 2008 US Presidential Election Thread

[RossValoryRocks]

You know Ayers group came within 15 minutes of killing my dad in 1974 with a bomb. If someone where to put a bullet in Ayers I would go piss on his grave while they were lowering the casket.

[conversationpc]

Bullshit.
The whole "palling around with a terrorist" soundbyte is totally uncontextualized from the circumstances in which their interaction took place.
Obama was no more engaging with a terrorist then any of various creatures of establishment (bankers, Repubs etc) who served on the panel.
Like the "lipstick on a pig" non-scandal, you guys will desperately cling to this until it costs you the election.

I don't care if it costs "me" the election. I'm not a McCain fan. Regardless, bad company corrupts good manners.

I'm sure the drumbeat invocation of Obama's middle eastern-sounding middle name is strictly accidental right?

I've never done that and I challenge you to prove me wrong. I'll accept your apology before it's made.

Sorry.
You are an avowed Conservative and these tactics are from your team.
Like Obama and Ayers, I have to go with guilt by association here.

Ah, just like a good liberal footsoldier...Blaming the entire group for the sins of a few. Gotta love it, don't ya? I have NEVER made fun of Barack's middle name. Never. Kiss my ass.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Considering O campaigned for his cousin in Kenya, and his cousin incited riots after his defeat and then signed on to Muslim Rule it's not surprising.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1P_P8lBCsE

I fail to see what one has to do with the other.
Help me parse what you're saying, because Obama supported a relative, you support cries for his murder?

[RossValoryRocks]

Considering O campaigned for his cousin in Kenya, and his cousin incited riots after his defeat and then signed on to Muslim Rule it's not surprising.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1P_P8lBCsE

I fail to see what one has to do with the other.
Help me parse what you're saying, because Obama supported a relative, you support cries for his murder?

You fail to see many thing because you just can't bring yourself to be as critical of Obama as us conservatives here have been of Bush and McCain on issues where we disagree.

You are not intellectually honest.

[The_Noble_Cause]

I don't care if it costs "me" the election. I'm not a McCain fan. Regardless, bad company corrupts good manners.

Slapping a cliche on an issue neither masks it's dishonesty or you're culpability in promoting it.
Whoever Ayers is today, whatever his respected capacity in the Chicago community, it is not as a terrorist.
As one Republican Illinois Rep put it: "It was never a concern by any of us in the Chicago school reform movement that he had led a fugitive life years earlier ... It's ridiculous. There is no reason at all to smear Barack Obama with this association. It's nonsensical, and it just makes me crazy. It's so silly."

Ah, just like a good liberal footsoldier...Blaming the entire group for the sins of a few. Gotta love it, don't ya? I have NEVER made fun of Barack's middle name. Never. Kiss my ass.

It's not a few.
From the AM radio echo-chamber (Savage, Cunningham etc) to campaign surrogates as recently as yesterday, this tactic is endemic throughout the Conservative movement.
What you do personally is inconsequential, bad company corrupts good manners, y'know?

[conversationpc]

Considering O campaigned for his cousin in Kenya, and his cousin incited riots after his defeat and then signed on to Muslim Rule it's not surprising.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1P_P8lBCsE

I fail to see what one has to do with the other.
Help me parse what you're saying, because Obama supported a relative, you support cries for his murder?

I do not and don't put words in my mouth. You lay down with dogs, you get up with fleas.

I have heard that story about those comments made at the McCain rally and frankly they're in the same vein as the Obama supporters in Carson,Calif last week who kept chanting "NO USA, NO USA". Moonbats. Unfortunatly the media decided we didn't need to hear the "NO USA shit but felt compelled to point out a couple of rednecks. Send the SS to talk to em.

But there's no such thing as the liberal media, you know?

[conversationpc]

I don't care if it costs "me" the election. I'm not a McCain fan. Regardless, bad company corrupts good manners.

Slapping a cliche on an issue neither masks it's dishonesty or you're culpability in promoting it.
Whoever Ayers is today, whatever his respected capacity in the Chicago community, it is not as a terrorist.
As one Republican Illinois Rep put it: "It was never a concern by any of us in the Chicago school reform movement that he had led a fugitive life years earlier ... It's ridiculous. There is no reason at all to smear Barack Obama with this association. It's nonsensical, and it just makes me crazy. It's so silly."

First of all, if you're so smart, it's "your" not "you're". Regardless, Ayers still is a terrorist, in my opinion because he has no regrets for what he did. He got away with it because the government did a sloppy job in prosecuting him.

Ah, just like a good liberal footsoldier...Blaming the entire group for the sins of a few. Gotta love it, don't ya? I have NEVER made fun of Barack's middle name. Never. Kiss my ass.

It's not a few.
From the AM radio echo-chamber (Savage, Cunningham etc) to campaign surrogates as recently as yesterday, this tactic is endemic throughout the Conservative movement.
What you do personally is inconsequential, bad company corrupts good manners, y'know?

Unlike Obama, I don't hang with people who have serious character issues, so don't try pulling the "Hussein" crap here. I've voiced my opinion on those who do here before, so you can't slap me with the "bad company..." label. It doesn't apply.

[Saint John]

Did anyone scream "Kill him!" and "Terrorist!" upon mention of Obama

I had to work today.

[conversationpc]

So you support the Fed Gov investigating the Sheriff who used the H. word? Should Cunningham and Savage be silenced and never use the word Hussein again? Will you run the re-programming camps? Can we play Monopoly to kill the time or will you just kill us? Inquiring minds and all that.

Not long ago in this forum, TNC basically said that people like Glenn Beck should be silenced for the good of the country.

[Saint John]

So you support the Fed Gov investigating the Sheriff who used the H. word? Should Cunningham and Savage be silenced and never use the word Hussein again? Will you run the re-programming camps? Can we play Monopoly to kill the time or will you just kill us? Inquiring minds and all that.

Not long ago in this forum, TNC basically said that people like Glenn Beck should be silenced for the good of the country.

In all fairness, he also danced on Russert's grave.

[The_Noble_Cause]

You fail to see many thing because you just can't bring yourself to be as critical of Obama as us conservatives here have been of Bush and McCain on issues where we disagree.

You keep throwing that in the face of every Obama voter on this forum, regardless of their words, actions, or even past political affiliations.
As recently as this very thread I reiterated that Obama was the least qualified of all the Dem. primary candidates.
I am voting Democrat, but that is where my fervor for the ascendancy of Obama begins and ends.

The Ayers scandal is simply bullshit.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Not long ago in this forum, TNC basically said that people like Glenn Beck should be silenced for the good of the country.

Yup.
Just like FDR stamped out Father Coughlin who's audience reached 40 million, there is no place for that snake venom in the national bloodline.
Again, if Limbaugh was around in the 70s Nixon would not have been forced to resign - and you guys would have defended him too.

[conversationpc]

Yup.
Just like FDR stamped out Father Coughlin who's audience reached 40 million, there is no place for that snake venom in the national bloodline.

The First Amendment to the Constitution disagrees. You and Bill O'Reilly need to get together and have a big orgasm over this.

Again, if Limbaugh was around in the 70s Nixon would not have been forced to resign - and you guys would have defended him too.

I was only a baby when Nixon was President but that's besides the point. You are wrong, as usual.

[RossValoryRocks]

You fail to see many thing because you just can't bring yourself to be as critical of Obama as us conservatives here have been of Bush and McCain on issues where we disagree.

You keep throwing that in the face of every Obama voter on this forum, regardless of their words, actions, or even past political affiliations.
As recently as this very thread I reiterated that Obama was the least qualified of all the Dem. primary candidates.
I am voting Democrat, but that is where my fervor for the ascendancy of Obama begins and ends.

The Ayers scandal is simply bullshit.

I keep throwing in the face of the hypocrites who seem to think Obama does no wrong.

The Ayers scandal is not simply bullshit. The man should be in jail for attempted murder, but instead he was handing out $50 million dollars to Barack Obama to use. Obama LIED when he said Ayers was a casual acquaintance the relationship was much closer than that.

All Obama has to come out and say is "we were closer than I had lead you all to believe, but what Mr. Ayers did in the past is the past" and the issue would die, except people would then see political expediency outweights the truth and he would become just another politician, which runs counter to the image he is portraying.

[The_Noble_Cause]

In all fairness, he also danced on Russert's grave.

I acknowledged it was a personal tragedy, but I thought he was a failure as a journalist.
Anyone who actually watched this year's debates knows I am right.

[Don]

McCain is kicking ass today in Wisconsin. Kicking ass and NAMING NAMES...Audience is fucking fed up with the economic problem and one member asked McCain to name names and make these people responsible when he is President...

Great.
Did anyone scream "Kill him!" and "Terrorist!" upon mention of Obama, as happened yesterday when Palin played up the Ayers connection?

As long as nobody was yelling out "Gooks!" or "C**t!". Now that would have caused a scene.

[The_Noble_Cause]

The First Amendment to the Constitution disagrees. You and Bill O'Reilly need to get together and have a big orgasm over this.

Please don't profane the Founders' document with your fetid lips.
No Republican, let a lone a two-time Bush voter, has any right to sanctimoniously raise it for their own point-scoring ends.

I was only a baby when Nixon was President but that's besides the point. You are wrong, as usual.

No, I'm not.
Glib cracks about Gitmo and wiretapping in this forum prove it.

[conversationpc]

Please don't profane the Founders' document with your fetid lips.
No Republican, let a lone a two-time Bush voter, has any right to sanctimoniously raise it for their own point-scoring ends.

You have NO respect for the Constitution as your cries for censorship evidence.

I was only a baby when Nixon was President but that's besides the point. You are wrong, as usual.

No, I'm not.
Glib cracks about Gitmo and wiretapping in this forum prove it.

You're some kind of fisherman today, aren't you? You've caught enough red herrings today that you should be able to chop down the largest tree in the forest with them.

[The_Noble_Cause]

I keep throwing in the face of the hypocrites who seem to think Obama does no wrong.

The Ayers scandal is not simply bullshit. The man should be in jail for attempted murder, but instead he was handing out $50 million dollars to Barack Obama to use. Obama LIED when he said Ayers was a casual acquaintance the relationship was much closer than that.

All Obama has to come out and say is "we were closer than I had lead you all to believe, but what Mr. Ayers did in the past is the past" and the issue would die, except people would then see political expediency outweights the truth and he would become just another politician, which runs counter to the image he is portraying.

Nothing you stated changes what's already known about the Obama-Ayers dynamic.
Conservative columnists have been going on fishing expectations in Chicago and returning empty handed.

[RossValoryRocks]

I keep throwing in the face of the hypocrites who seem to think Obama does no wrong.

The Ayers scandal is not simply bullshit. The man should be in jail for attempted murder, but instead he was handing out $50 million dollars to Barack Obama to use. Obama LIED when he said Ayers was a casual acquaintance the relationship was much closer than that.

All Obama has to come out and say is "we were closer than I had lead you all to believe, but what Mr. Ayers did in the past is the past" and the issue would die, except people would then see political expediency outweights the truth and he would become just another politician, which runs counter to the image he is portraying.

Nothing you stated changes what's already known about the Obama-Ayers dynamic.
Conservative columnists have been going on fishing expectations in Chicago and returning empty handed.

Except Obama vehemently denies the relationship is as close as it REALLY is. You castigate Bush for his lies, why not Obama??? Oh that's right you only want a Democrat to win, his honesty be damned.

[brywool]

McCain is kicking ass today in Wisconsin. Kicking ass and NAMING NAMES...Audience is fucking fed up with the economic problem and one member asked McCain to name names and make these people responsible when he is President...

Great.
Did anyone scream "Kill him!" and "Terrorist!" upon mention of Obama, as happened yesterday when Palin played up the Ayers connection?

As long as nobody was yelling out "Gooks!" or "C**t!". Now that would have caused a scene.

Gunbot read the RS article...

[Don]

McCain is kicking ass today in Wisconsin. Kicking ass and NAMING NAMES...Audience is fucking fed up with the economic problem and one member asked McCain to name names and make these people responsible when he is President...

Great.
Did anyone scream "Kill him!" and "Terrorist!" upon mention of Obama, as happened yesterday when Palin played up the Ayers connection?

As long as nobody was yelling out "Gooks!" or "C**t!". Now that would have caused a scene.

Gunbot read the RS article...

I did but most of it was old news that had been known for years, it's just been put in Summary form by Rolling Stone.

I was a Reagan fan, but not with Wormtongue here, I'll take Barry over this little ball of evil any day.

[The_Noble_Cause]

You have NO respect for the Constitution as your cries for censorship evidence.

Depends if you condone the pig swill passing for political discourse on news stations across the country.
For Limbaugh, Beck, and Hannity, lying to the American public is their stock in trade.
I don't support their right to free speech on the public airwaves.

You're some kind of fisherman today, aren't you? You've caught enough red herrings today that you should be able to chop down the largest tree in the forest with them.

I fail to see how issues of torture and wrietapping are in any way inapropos when discussing the Constitution.

[Saint John]

The Dow will be at 7,000 in a week or two. Good buying opportunity. Might even go to 6,000. I'm glad I pulled all of my $$$ out of stocks. Makes this funny in a sick sort of way.

[brywool]

McCain is kicking ass today in Wisconsin. Kicking ass and NAMING NAMES...Audience is fucking fed up with the economic problem and one member asked McCain to name names and make these people responsible when he is President...

Great.
Did anyone scream "Kill him!" and "Terrorist!" upon mention of Obama, as happened yesterday when Palin played up the Ayers connection?

As long as nobody was yelling out "Gooks!" or "C**t!". Now that would have caused a scene.

Gunbot read the RS article...

I did but most of it was old news that had been known for years, it's just been put in Summary form by Rolling Stone.

I was a Reagan fan, but not with Wormtongue here, I'll take Barry over this little ball of evil any day.

Reagan was a crook too. People have short memories.

hey, off topic for a sec...
why do does everyone have pink ribbons on their posts?

[The_Noble_Cause]

Except Obama vehemently denies the relationship is as close as it REALLY is. You castigate Bush for his lies, why not Obama??? Oh that's right you only want a Democrat to win, his honesty be damned.

I haven't condemend Bush over niggling bullshit like this.
Nobody cares about Bill Ayers.

[Barb]

I keep throwing in the face of the hypocrites who seem to think Obama does no wrong.

The Ayers scandal is not simply bullshit. The man should be in jail for attempted murder, but instead he was handing out $50 million dollars to Barack Obama to use. Obama LIED when he said Ayers was a casual acquaintance the relationship was much closer than that.

All Obama has to come out and say is "we were closer than I had lead you all to believe, but what Mr. Ayers did in the past is the past" and the issue would die, except people would then see political expediency outweights the truth and he would become just another politician, which runs counter to the image he is portraying.

Nothing you stated changes what's already known about the Obama-Ayers dynamic.
Conservative columnists have been going on fishing expectations in Chicago and returning empty handed.

Ya, because the University of Chicago has blocked access for some strange reason.

[Don]

McCain is kicking ass today in Wisconsin. Kicking ass and NAMING NAMES...Audience is fucking fed up with the economic problem and one member asked McCain to name names and make these people responsible when he is President...

Great.
Did anyone scream "Kill him!" and "Terrorist!" upon mention of Obama, as happened yesterday when Palin played up the Ayers connection?

As long as nobody was yelling out "Gooks!" or "C**t!". Now that would have caused a scene.

Gunbot read the RS article...

I did but most of it was old news that had been known for years, it's just been put in Summary form by Rolling Stone.

I was a Reagan fan, but not with Wormtongue here, I'll take Barry over this little ball of evil any day.

Reagan was a crook too. People have short memories.

hey, off topic for a sec...
why do does everyone have pink ribbons on their posts?

Reagan was more than a crook but we are always choosing between the lesser of two evils aren't we. Reagan made my military pay jump up so I was fine with that. I got to hear and see him live in Iceland. A great speaker, he was.

We're supporting boobie checks for women this month so pink ribbons abound.

[Saint John]

hey, off topic for a sec...
why do does everyone have pink ribbons on their posts?

Something for breast cancer. Another one of those "... month" deals.

[conversationpc]

You have NO respect for the Constitution as your cries for censorship evidence.

Depends if you condone the pig swill passing for political discourse on news stations across the country.
For Limbaugh, Beck, and Hannity, lying to the American public is their stock in trade.
I don't support their right to free speech on the public airwaves.

Well, that's a good little socialist now, isn't it?

You're some kind of fisherman today, aren't you? You've caught enough red herrings today that you should be able to chop down the largest tree in the forest with them.

I fail to see how issues of torture and wrietapping are in any way inapropos when discussing the Constitution.

I don't support torture and I don't support warrantless wiretapping. Period. Yet another failed attempt by The_Ignorant_Cause to paint a conservative according to his liberal color-by-numbers stencil.