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Postby fredinator » Fri Oct 10, 2008 2:04 pm

This is what they did to Muskie; it doesn't look like the game plan has changed in 30+ years...

SEN. MITCHELL: Well, I think there's another factor as well that has to be mentioned. The campaign to reelect President Nixon--

MARK SHIELDS: That's right.

SEN. MITCHELL: --the Republican candidate that year--had a highly organized, well-distributed campaign of dirty tricks. It's come to be known as the dirty tricks campaign. That clip you showed earlier of New Hampshire was based upon, originated in a hoax fabricated by the Republican campaign to embarrass Sen. Muskie.

discussionJIM LEHRER: They sent hundreds--I remember, in the Watergate hearings, they sent hundreds of pizzas to his rallies and weird things like that.

SEN. MITCHELL: Oh, hundreds of pizzas to the room in the middle of the night. What was sent to the rallies in Southern states, for example, were hundreds of manufactured phony cropped pictures of Sen. Muskie intended to inflame white Americans against black Americans and vice versa, false statements, just, just a terrible campaign, and it had an effect. They feared him. They undermined his campaign, and he lost--not that that was the only factor, but it was a significant factor.

JIM LEHRER: What about the crying incident, Mark? Did he cry or did he not cry, and how important was that?

discussionMARK SHIELDS: Well, Jim, these are different times, obviously. I mean, when Ed Muskie came to the defense of his wife, Jane, who was unfairly and viciously attacked by one of the really ugly men in American political history, William Loeb, the publisher of "Manchester Union Leader," who did front-page editorials titled "Kissinger the Kike" and "Moscow Muskie," questioning the patriotism and loyalty of Sen. Muskie, but when he, when he attacked Jane Muskie, it was too much, and Ed Muskie came to her defense. Ed Muskie didn't come from a touchy-feely era. This was before Alan Alda and Phil Donahue and people--inner child speaking and all the rest of it--and he did. He filled up with emotion at that moment, and, and somehow men were not supposed to do that at that time. And, and I think it, it became for many a sort of a cause for concern of some sort.

Actually they didn't ruin his career--he went on to do some great things, thank God!!! I just remember how badly hurt he was for no reason!
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Postby Lula » Fri Oct 10, 2008 4:00 pm

scarygirl wrote:A terrorist to freeedom and personal liberty absolutely.


And Mr Bush was a dedicated follower to the US Constitution? Liz, Dean here, you need to remember that fucker has intruded upoin and taken away so many personal liberties from we the people, under the false guise of "National Security." Obama taught Constitutional Law at Harvard for a decade or more. The guy respects the Constitution. Hell, Bush couldn't even tell you the 4th amendment if you asked him.

Nice talking to you Liz, but make sure you get out and vote, because I know you don't want NC going blue which right now is ..albeit a light shade.
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Postby Lula » Fri Oct 10, 2008 4:05 pm

Barb wrote:I think at least half of the conservatives here assume Obama is going to win, however we aren't nearly as angry and foaming at the mouth as the liberals on here who are headed for victory. I don't get it. Are libs just angry all the time about everything? That must suck. :lol:


Barb, shut your hole. We "Libs" as you incorrectly point out..to my knowledge, Lula and TNC are the only ones here who are liberals; 7 Wishes, Rick, Jana, and myself aren't Libs..just Democrats, sensible Dems. We are angry at the way a once proud and honorable fellow, Jon MCCain is conducting his smear campaign now that he he is getting smoked in the polls. The dirt and filth he is bringing out now and throwing at BO, with the hope of something, anything sticking, is embarrassing. He and that mutt whore wolf shooting bitch are embarrassing the GOP. There are some very good republicans in Congress, but McCain sure as fuck ain't one of them, and caribou Barbie is fucking herself in the ass for any future endeavors she may have; of course she needs to first get by the Alaskan scandal she is currently getting dragged down in.
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Postby Lula » Fri Oct 10, 2008 4:06 pm

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I'm sure you'll get more yes' if you ask libs if Bush is a terrorist. :lol:


I certainly have never thought of W. as a terrorist! I simply think he's a jackass!


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W a terrorist? No. A war criminal? Perhaps. A dumbshit? Absolutely.
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Postby Lula » Fri Oct 10, 2008 4:11 pm

Fact Finder wrote:
#1 Obama can't clean up shit, he has said he might have to postpone some initiatives. Reason.

Hint: The people just took thier money and ran!



LOL, you are the kind of guy who will argue 10 years from now, on this here board, that the USA experienced a depression under president Obama, knowing full well it started under Bush 43. Then when BO fixes this mess, and his 8 years are up, and you run a decent candidate and win, and the economy is decent, you will claim victory and the all falsified reasoning of republicans know economies BS. The fact is Democrats handle the economy much better than the GOP.
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Postby Lula » Fri Oct 10, 2008 4:14 pm

StocktontoMalone wrote:101 pages.....haven't we had enough?

Are you sure YOU guys aren't running for the office? Just as bad, if not WORSE than the real ones.... :roll:


And you are innocent of course, as you haven't contributed at all to this thread. :wink:

Tell you what, out of this entire Forum, this is by far the best thread.

I better get off. I am not supposed to be posting but I sneak on in this Poly Sci thread to kick a little conservative ass. Feels good and is easy to do.
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Postby Lula » Fri Oct 10, 2008 4:35 pm

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John, he was also the victim of the worst terrorist attack on domestic soil, ever!!!


Of which he and his staff IGNORED memos and briefings on the pending use by terrorists to use commercial aviation against us. Strike one.

There were atypical natural disasters,


Of which he played golf and forgot to turn on CNN weather and have FEMA and Brownie ready to roll. FWIW, Kathleen Blanco and Mayor Nagin share this disaster, yet the buck stops at W's desk. Strike two.


and 2 wars,


One of which need not ever been waged, but was, based on a lie. Had Iraq never happened, Afghanistan likely would have been wrapped up nicely and today would possibly be a neat tidy democratic state. Strike Three.


and a whole slew of other issues that have come up that play into all that.


Like tax cuts for the rich, and for the rest of us, CONCURRENT with waging a war? Um, any monkey knows you don't cut taxes in times of war. Strike four.


Even if you take Iraq out of the equation (which is HUGE, I understand that) it is still an enormous load to place on him. I'm not necessarily trying to make excuses for him (even though I'll admit I do still like him) but we do need to take everything into consideration.


No "fuck you Donna's" this time. I was wrong to talk to you like that in the past and apologize, for real. This is your opinion and I respect that donna. However, in this paragraph, you are making excuses for him. He brought most of this on himself. I can look past the 9/11 attack, but Iraq was his own doing and he will have to live with that. Tax cuts for the rich and tax cuts during times of war are his wrongdoing. I just summed up all things into consideration and he fails with a big fat "F." donna, you are the only person I have ever heard say you "still like George W Bush." THAT takes stones and I respect you for standing with your convictions on that feeling.

Here's a question for you military minded peeps... Bill Clinton closed military bases during his years in office, correct? There was a naval training center that closed in San Diego when we lived there in the 90's. When we went back to visit in '06, the base was gone and condos were in it's place. Did the closure of those bases also mean that our troop numbers were reduced? Or were they just re-located when the bases closed? Now, if the troop numbers were reduced, how did this impact our ability to participate in the Afghanistan and Iraq wars?


Having served in the US Military, I agree wholeheartedly with base closures. Many were desolate, bare areas with little or no military activity. Expensive land where no revenue or good production was coming from it. Wasted real estate. We did not need that many troops at the time, as technology was helping to reduce troops . Clinton proposed this and the Republican led Congress concurred. This was really not controversial. Most politicos agreed it was the right thing to do and to answer your question, this has/had no bearing on the operations for Afghanistan. Poor management by Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz has made Afghanistan a drawn out disaster. Obama is precisely correct when he harps on McCain about this. "We took our eye off the ball in Afghanistan to go start up Iraq." We should have, completed Afghanistan quickly and cleanly, and like I said before, today we would have a nice and tidy democratic state right next to Iran and Pakistan. Boy wouldn't that be nice? My answer to you on this donna is not politically slanted...I don't think you will find many, if any(maybe Stuart) who will disagree that this wasn't controversial. Now gays in the military? THAT was controversial!

PS Donna- I told you Virginia was going blue. :wink:
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Postby Saint John » Fri Oct 10, 2008 4:39 pm

Lula wrote:[\ you need to remember that fucker has intruded upoin and taken away so many personal liberties from we the people, under the false guise of "National Security."
Name one.
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Postby fredinator » Fri Oct 10, 2008 4:41 pm

Yea, the Calvary!! You really have been missed!!!
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Postby StoneCold » Fri Oct 10, 2008 4:42 pm

Lula wrote:
StocktontoMalone wrote:101 pages.....haven't we had enough?

Are you sure YOU guys aren't running for the office? Just as bad, if not WORSE than the real ones.... :roll:


And you are innocent of course, as you haven't contributed at all to this thread. :wink:

Tell you what, out of this entire Forum, this is by far the best thread.

I better get off. I am not supposed to be posting but I sneak on in this Poly Sci thread to kick a little conservative ass. Feels good and is easy to do.


dude, the love song thread is the best thread right now, 'cause its got freakin' Foreigner in it! First tune. Hardly a journey song throughout.

Good to see ya sneak one off here and there. I'm bout bored with the politicals but I'll drop in if I see "lula" postin' to see whats up. Pop over and throw a "lula" love song pick.
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Postby Lula » Fri Oct 10, 2008 4:48 pm

I need to get off here, as I don't want Lula busted.

Really though, you couldn't pay me to read any other threads here. I can't even listen to Journey let alone read about em!

Obama in a FUCKING landslide! Stuart, you giant dildo looking motherfucker, get your ATM card!! You are buying! We had a bet of 3 dollars per electoral college vote difference, but fuck, that would set him back 590 bucks! LOL, so I will settle on a shot and a beer. Hop that jet to Sactown motherfucker! I will pick up the Amtrak duckett to Dunsmuir and you buy the fishing licenses. We will get some good eatin salmon in November.

Stu is a good man through and through, just fucked up in politics and sports :wink:
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Postby RossValoryRocks » Fri Oct 10, 2008 4:49 pm

Lula wrote:
Fact Finder wrote:
#1 Obama can't clean up shit, he has said he might have to postpone some initiatives. Reason.

Hint: The people just took thier money and ran!



LOL, you are the kind of guy who will argue 10 years from now, on this here board, that the USA experienced a depression under president Obama, knowing full well it started under Bush 43. Then when BO fixes this mess, and his 8 years are up, and you run a decent candidate and win, and the economy is decent, you will claim victory and the all falsified reasoning of republicans know economies BS. The fact is Democrats handle the economy much better than the GOP.


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Postby Lula » Fri Oct 10, 2008 4:50 pm

Saint John wrote:
Lula wrote:[\ you need to remember that fucker has intruded upoin and taken away so many personal liberties from we the people, under the false guise of "National Security."
Name one.


Sleep it off fag. You are easy to steamroll sober, imagine how I would fuck you up while hammered! :wink: :wink:

Wiretapping.
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Postby Lula » Fri Oct 10, 2008 4:51 pm

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Jimmy Carter> Bush 43
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Postby RossValoryRocks » Fri Oct 10, 2008 4:51 pm

Lula wrote:
Saint John wrote:
Lula wrote:[\ you need to remember that fucker has intruded upoin and taken away so many personal liberties from we the people, under the false guise of "National Security."
Name one.


Sleep it off fag. You are easy to steamroll sober, imagine how I would fuck you up while hammered! :wink: :wink:

Wiretapping.


Wasn't done against US Citizens, it was only for incoming international calls.

You lose.
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Postby Lula » Fri Oct 10, 2008 4:52 pm

Fuck, I know I am loud, but it looks like I woke up a couple fags in Chicago and Pittsburgh, all the way from California!
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Postby RossValoryRocks » Fri Oct 10, 2008 4:54 pm

Lula wrote:Fuck, I know I am load, but it looks like I woke up a couple fags in Chicago and Pittsburgh, all the way from California!


ROFLMAO! You slay me dude!

You are going to get Lula in so much trouble bro!

You need to call me to work out the fishing thing.
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Postby Lula » Fri Oct 10, 2008 4:54 pm

RossValoryRocks wrote:
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Lula wrote:[\ you need to remember that fucker has intruded upoin and taken away so many personal liberties from we the people, under the false guise of "National Security."
Name one.


Sleep it off fag. You are easy to steamroll sober, imagine how I would fuck you up while hammered! :wink: :wink:

Wiretapping.


Wasn't done against US Citizens, it was only for incoming international calls.

You lose.


I am not 7 wishes. I don't lose.

Wiretapping is illegal,period.

Waterboarding
Illegal detainment

I am too tired to argue. WTF are you two dildos doing up at 2 and 3 AM?
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Postby RossValoryRocks » Fri Oct 10, 2008 4:55 pm

Lula wrote:
RossValoryRocks wrote:
Lula wrote:
Saint John wrote:
Lula wrote:[\ you need to remember that fucker has intruded upoin and taken away so many personal liberties from we the people, under the false guise of "National Security."
Name one.


Sleep it off fag. You are easy to steamroll sober, imagine how I would fuck you up while hammered! :wink: :wink:

Wiretapping.


Wasn't done against US Citizens, it was only for incoming international calls.

You lose.


I am not 7 wishes. I don't lose.

Wiretapping is illegal,period.

Waterboarding
Illegal detainment

I am too tired to argue. WTF are you two dildos doing up at 2 and 3 AM?


Wiretapping is not illegal...better go check again...the law is very specific...

I just got in from work.
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Postby Lula » Fri Oct 10, 2008 4:57 pm

Stu, I told you. Where we are going you cannot fly into.

Fly to Sacramento, in the evening, and I will get you and we will take the choo choo up into the mountains. Stay at Cheyanna's crib, and fish the base of Mt Shasta in the Sacramento River. Steelhead and salmon as well as German browns and kamloops aplenty. You are buying ALL beer McCain fan!
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Postby Lula » Fri Oct 10, 2008 4:59 pm

RossValoryRocks wrote:
Lula wrote:
RossValoryRocks wrote:
Lula wrote:
Saint John wrote:
Lula wrote:[\ you need to remember that fucker has intruded upoin and taken away so many personal liberties from we the people, under the false guise of "National Security."
Name one.


Sleep it off fag. You are easy to steamroll sober, imagine how I would fuck you up while hammered! :wink: :wink:

Wiretapping.


Wasn't done against US Citizens, it was only for incoming international calls.

You lose.


I am not 7 wishes. I don't lose.

Wiretapping is illegal,period.

Waterboarding
Illegal detainment

I am too tired to argue. WTF are you two dildos doing up at 2 and 3 AM?


Wiretapping is not illegal...better go check again...the law is very specific...

I just got in from work.


I should have said "illegal wiretapping." Of course it isn't illegal when you obtain a warrant. Problem is , Bushie and his posse don't obtain warrants. they are above the law.

I asked this earlier. Why is Rove not in prison? No one answered me.
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Postby Lula » Fri Oct 10, 2008 5:00 pm

PS- Stu, I cannot wait for you to fall asleep. Cranks in the face! Hahahahaah

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Postby conversationpc » Fri Oct 10, 2008 9:05 pm

Lula wrote:I am not 7 wishes. I don't lose.


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Postby Saint John » Fri Oct 10, 2008 9:44 pm

Lula wrote:
Saint John wrote:
Lula wrote:[\ you need to remember that fucker has intruded upoin and taken away so many personal liberties from we the people, under the false guise of "National Security."
Name one.


Sleep it off fag. You are easy to steamroll sober, imagine how I would fuck you up while hammered! :wink: :wink:

Wiretapping.


lol...DEANO!!!! :lol: :shock: 8)
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Postby Saint John » Fri Oct 10, 2008 9:47 pm

Lula wrote:Waterboarding
Illegal detainment
Nice to see you have the best interest of terrorists at heart. :lol: And I was up (if I was one of the "dildos" you were referring to :lol: ) because I went to see Steve Smith last night.
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Postby Uno_up » Fri Oct 10, 2008 11:03 pm

Lula wrote:...Then when BO fixes this mess, and his 8 years are up, and you run a decent candidate and win, and the economy is decent, you will claim victory and the all falsified reasoning of republicans know economies BS. The fact is Democrats handle the economy much better than the GOP.


Obama is walking into office at THE BEST time in the history of this country. Mickey Mouse could turn the market around at this point since it's inevitable it's going to bounce. :roll:
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Postby conversationpc » Fri Oct 10, 2008 11:07 pm

Uno_up wrote:
Lula wrote:...Then when BO fixes this mess, and his 8 years are up, and you run a decent candidate and win, and the economy is decent, you will claim victory and the all falsified reasoning of republicans know economies BS. The fact is Democrats handle the economy much better than the GOP.


Obama is walking into office at THE BEST time in the history of this country. Mickey Mouse could turn the market around at this point since it's inevitable it's going to bounce. :roll:


It'll come back to some degree but this country is so overburdened with debt and our citizens have so much debt also and so little in savings that it's going to be tough.
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Postby Enigma869 » Fri Oct 10, 2008 11:09 pm

Lula wrote:caribou Barbie is fucking herself in the ass for any future endeavors she may have;




:lol: :lol: :lol:


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Postby Saint John » Fri Oct 10, 2008 11:13 pm

Lula wrote:Of which he and his staff IGNORED memos and briefings on the pending use by terrorists to use commercial aviation against us.
Maybe he should have taken cool videos like the Clinton administration did of terrorists training to kill us!!! But I guess they had a certain comfort level when they bombed our embassies, killed and dragged our soldiers through the streets and bombed the WTC the first time and we did nothing!!! And which administration was in office when the 9-11 plan was hatched, funded and the "trial runs" occurred? :wink:
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Postby Saint John » Fri Oct 10, 2008 11:18 pm

Lula wrote:The fact is Democrats handle the economy much better than the GOP.
Now if they could only get their base off of welfare!!! :lol: Republicans will thrive with either party in office. Unlike lazy democrats we understand that there's no substitue for hard work...speaking of which I better get back to work!!! :lol: :wink:
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