The 2008 US Presidential Election Thread

[treetopovskaya]

naughty minds... all of yous! }:C))

i'd eat a person before i'd eat an animal. ha! }:C))

There are soooo many things I could say here, but...I better not, or my wife will tell me what a pig I am


John from Boston

[Lula]

I am not 7 wishes. I don't lose.

WTF is this? I work 20 hours a day for 3 days and my own team is turning on me? Give me a break. I'm going back into retirement.

That big......THUMP.......THUMP......was you getting thrown under the bus by Dean.
Stick around dude. We need good guys around here!

No way. 7 Wishes is a good man. He just doesn't have the fucking fire and rage like I do, to repel the poison and barbs of these republican assholes and their endless smear attempts. Goddamned right I am going to enjoy this election, and now, I am not happy with a clear win. I want a landslide of the biggest type, a 200 ev win which equates into a MANDATE.

Conservatism is dying or is dormant. Thank fucking heaven.

[Lula]

Thoughts on the Alaska panel's finding that Palin improperly had her former brother-in-law fired? I think it's interesting that this all only became an issue right before the election (October surprise?). However, it does look like her ethics were at least not up to snub.

That being said, the panel is not recommending any sanctions or legal investigation, which gives me cause to believe perhaps there's not as much there as the media is trying to make of it. If there were, I'd think the Democrats would be trying to press on with it.

I can't say I would've done any different, knowing the situation with this guy apparently abusing his position as a police officer and self-admittedly tasering his own 10-year old.

The democrats wisely are doing nothing with this. The election is signed sealed and won. Just need to count the days. Palin is an afterthought, whose numbers are below 50, and people do not trust her sorry ass anywhere near the presidency or vice presidency.

By the way Dave, the "panel" that ruled on all this shit was bi partisan.

Her political career, was here.......and gone. Thanks for playin' Sarah. I don't think the electorate is goin' to get back to ya.'

[TRAGChick]

This, to me, says it all....

"Hey, Sarah Palin" (to the tune of "Hey There, Delilah")
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=7DIc8jdra0o

PBS has an online poll posted asking if
Sarah Palin is qualified.

Apparently the right wing knew about this
in advance and are flooding the voting with
YES votes.

The poll will be reported on PBS and picked up by mainstream
media. It can influence undecided voters in swing states.

Please - if you want to vote on this, it takes a matter seconds to do!
Click on the link below and vote yourself.

Here's the link:
http://www.pbs.org/now/polls/poll-435.html

[treetopovskaya]

i'd much rather have sarah palin in the white house than a man i can't trust. i don't feel like i can trust obama.

you people are BLIND. you hate the bush admin & reps so much you would vote for any dem running. even if that dem happens to have friends who blow things up... and might have very well committed an act of treason. unbelievable... and mccain is the dirty player. gmafb!

give... me... a... fuckin... break. }:C|

NOBAMA...

oh hellz no!

[The_Noble_Cause]

Here's Michael Barone on "the coming Obama thugocracy".

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_ ... thugocracy

With thugs like this, we might have to ship 'em off to a penal colony, like Australia.

Good post. Barone is probably the sharpest political mind out there.

This article is shit.
Contrary to what Barone writes, the SNL skit wasn't pulled from NBC archives because its satirical target were liberals - its because the bottom of the screen labeled a real life couple as "people who should be shot."

[Uno_up]

This, to me, says it all....

"Hey, Sarah Palin" (to the tune of "Hey There, Virginia")
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=7DIc8jdra0o

PBS has an online poll posted asking if
Sarah Palin is qualified.

Apparently the right wing knew about this
in advance and are flooding the voting with
YES votes.

The poll will be reported on PBS and picked up by mainstream
media. It can influence undecided voters in swing states.

Please - if you want to vote on this, it takes a matter seconds to do!
Click on the link below and vote yourself.

Here's the link:
http://www.pbs.org/now/polls/poll-435.html

A PBS poll being credible???
If you're looking for fair and balanced, steer away from moveon.org, cbs, nbc, abc, cnn, nyt, washington post, and PBS.

[TRAGChick]

This, to me, says it all....

"Hey, Sarah Palin" (to the tune of "Hey There, Delilah")
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=7DIc8jdra0o

PBS has an online poll posted asking if
Sarah Palin is qualified.

Apparently the right wing knew about this
in advance and are flooding the voting with
YES votes.

The poll will be reported on PBS and picked up by mainstream
media. It can influence undecided voters in swing states.

Please - if you want to vote on this, it takes a matter seconds to do!
Click on the link below and vote yourself.

Here's the link:
http://www.pbs.org/now/polls/poll-435.html

A PBS poll being credible???
If you're looking for fair and balanced, steer away from moveon.org, cbs, nbc, abc, cnn, nyt, washington post, and PBS.

OK; fine....

If you don't want to vote, don't vote.... I said "IF you want to vote on this..."

[The_Noble_Cause]

A PBS poll being credible???
If you're looking for fair and balanced, steer away from moveon.org, cbs, nbc, abc, cnn, nyt, washington post, and PBS.

And don't forget, as Rush likes to say, if it says "non-proft" or "non-partisan", that means it's actually liberal, too!
You guys are beyond fucked up.

[Uno_up]

A PBS poll being credible???
If you're looking for fair and balanced, steer away from moveon.org, cbs, nbc, abc, cnn, nyt, washington post, and PBS.

And don't forget, as Rush likes to say, if it says "non-proft" or "non-partisan", that means it's actually liberal, too!
You guys are beyond fucked up.

almost forgot that mephitis, airamerica.com

[conversationpc]

And last, the ACORN thing....

If you guys can’t make political hay out of Rev. Wright or Bill Ayers (as the polls seem to indicate), I wish you the absolute best of luck in demonizing a community organization that provides poor people with a hotplate and a pot to piss in.

in exchange for registering to vote 72 times...

Voter registration is only a part of what they do.
Any massive turn out the vote endeavor always comes attached with these problems - try working on a political campaign sometime.
The employees are not paid per signature, so I don't quite get the problem.
Seems like another trumped up liberal boogeyman to me.

It's not trumped up. They showed the fake registrations on the morning news the other day. One voter was registered 7 times with different addresses, phone numbers, and social security numbers but the exact same signature. I guess the boogeyman has a real name although it's kinda hard to tell where he lives or what his real phone number is.

[Don]

2005 - Apr 11 - On the phone with her sister Molly, Sarah Palin overheard Mike Wooten make death threat against her father. When interviewed by Police about the incident Palin said that overhearing the threat, she drove up to their house, watched Mike yelling at Molly through a window of a neighbor, and then asked the neighbor to continue watching on her behalf, explaining "I had a meeting I couldn't miss." Palin does not call the police.

Do we really want this woman in the Whitehouse?

[TRAGChick]

And don't forget, as Rush likes to say, if it says "non-proft" or "non-partisan", that means it's actually liberal, too!
You guys are beyond fucked up.

Well, if Caribou Barbie Pageant Princess gets VP, our COUNTRY will be "beyond fucked up"!

If you don't have the MINUTES it takes to read this, it's your perogative....but, there's NO WAY I CAN SUPPORT THIS WOMAN, based on the following:
__________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

AlterNet has compiled a list of Palin's most shocking beliefs, ranging from her positions on the economy to her views on reproductive rights. This list has nothing to do with her personal life, her looks or her gender.

It's the stuff that voters need to know: what Sarah Palin really believes.

1. Despite problems at home, Sarah Palin does not believe in giving teenagers information about sex.

The McCain campaign is spinning Bristol Palin's pregnancy as a neat, shiny example of the unbreakable bonds of family. But while Bristol's actions and choices should not be attacked, teen pregnancy is no cause for celebration, either. To state the very obvious, it is not a good thing when teenagers have unprotected sex. And U.S. teens appear to have unprotected sex a lot: The United States has some of the highest rates of teen pregnancy in the industrialized world, and 1 in 4 American teen girls has an STI.
Like John McCain, Palin's approach to the problems of teen pregnancy and STI transmission is abstinence-only education. In a 2006 questionnaire by the conservative group Eagle Forum, Palin stated: "Explicit sex-ed programs will not find my support." Presumably the programs that do find Palin's support are ones that focus on abstinence and only mention contraceptives to talk about their supposed shortcomings.

But someone already tried that. For eight years the Bush administration has thrown its heft behind Title V, a federal program that provides states with funding for abstinence-based sex education. In 2007 an expansive study proved abstinence-until-marriage education does not delay teen sexual activity.

If Palin is elected, she will continue to throw money at a policy that does little besides ensure that a larger number of sexually active teens lack information about how to avoid pregnancy and STIs.

2. Sarah Palin believes the U.S. Army is on a mission from God.

In June, Palin gave a speech at the Wasilla Assembly of God, her former church, in which she exhorted ministry students to pray for American soldiers in Iraq. "Our national leaders are sending them out on a task that is from God," she told them. "That's what we have to make sure that we're praying for, that there is a plan and that plan is God's plan."

Palin talked about her son, Track, an infantryman in the U.S. Army:

"When he turned 18 right before he enlisted, he had to get his first tattoo. And I'm like -- I don't think that's real cool, son. Until he showed me what it was and I thought, oh he did something right, 'cause on his calf, he has a big ol' Jesus fish!"

Holy war, holy warriors.

3. Sarah Palin believes in punishing rape victims.

Palin thinks that rape victims should be forced to bear the child of their rapist. She believes this so strongly that she would oppose abortion even if her own daughter were raped.

The Huffington Post reports: "Granting exceptions only if the mother's life was in danger, Palin said that when it came to her daughter, 'I would choose life.'

At the time, her daughter was 14 years old. Moreover, Alaska's rape rate was an abysmal 2.2 times above the national average, and 25 percent of all rapes resulted in unwanted pregnancies.

If Palin's own daughter was only 14 when she made that statement, does she think any girl of reproductive age is old enough to have a child? Girls are hitting puberty earlier and earlier. What if the rape victim were only 10? 9? 8?

Palin also opposes abortion in cases of incest and would grant an exception only if childbirth would result in the mother's death. She has not made any statements yet about whether she believes a 10-year-old who was raped by her father would be able to actually raise the child once it was born. Perhaps Palin doesn't care.

4. Who's really not in favor of clean water? Sarah Palin.

As The Hill reports, "Governor Palin has ... opposed a crucial clean water initiative."

Alaska's KTUU explains: "It is against the law for the governor to officially advocate for or against a ballot measure; however, Palin took what she calls 'personal privilege' to discuss one of this year's most contentious initiatives."

Palin said, "Let me take my governor's hat off just for a minute here and tell you, personally, Prop. 4 -- I vote no on that." And what is that? A state initiative that would have banned metal mines from discharging pollution into salmon streams.

She also approved legislation that let oil and gas companies nearly triple the amount of toxic waste they can dump into Cook Inlet, an important fishery. It looks like being an avid outdoorsperson doesn't mean Palin really has the health of watersheds, natural resources or our environment at heart.

5. Sarah Palin calls herself a reformer, but on earmarks and the "Bridge to Nowhere," she is a hypocrite.

Palin says she's a "conservative Republican" who is "a firm believer in free market capitalism." She's running as an anti-tax crusader, and she did make deep cuts to Alaska's budget.

So, one would assume she is no borrow-and-spend conservative like George W., right?

Well, there was the time when she served as the mayor of the tiny town of Wasilla, Alaska. According to the Associated Press, "Palin hired a lobbyist and traveled to Washington annually to support earmarks for the town totaling $27 million." You'd think that $27 mil in taxpayers' funds would be enough scratch for a town with a population of 8,000, but you'd be wrong. According to Politico, Palin then "racked up nearly $20 million in long-term debt as mayor of the tiny town of Wasilla -- that amounts to $3,000 per resident."

Then there's her current stint as Alaska governor, during which her appetite for federal pork spending has been on clear display. The Associated Press reported, "In her two years as governor, Alaska has requested nearly $750 million in special federal spending, by far the largest per-capita request in the nation." While Palin notes she rejected plans to build a $398 million bridge from Ketchikan to an island with 50 residents and an airport, that opposition came only after the plan was ridiculed nationally as a "Bridge to Nowhere."

6. Sarah Palin believes creationism should be taught in schools.

Until somebody digs up the remnants of a T. rex with an ill-fated caveman dangling from its jaws, the scientific community, along with most of the American public, will be at peace with the theory of evolution. But this isn't true of everyone. More than 80 years after the Scopes "Monkey" trial, there are people -- and politicians -- who do not believe in evolution and lobby for creationism to be taught in schools.

Palin is one of those politicians. When Palin ran for governor, part of her platform called for teaching schoolchildren creationism alongside evolution. Although she did not push hard for this position after she was elected governor, Palin has let her views on evolution be known on many occasions. According to the Anchorage Daily News, Palin stated, "Teach both. You know, don't be afraid of information. Healthy debate is so important, and it's so valuable in our schools. I am a proponent of teaching both."

Palin further argued, "It's OK to let kids know that there are theories out there. They gain information just by being in a discussion."

Not when those "theories" are being presented as valid alternatives to a set of principles that most scientists have ascribed to for more than a century.

7. Sarah Palin supports offshore drilling everywhere, even if it doesn't solve our energy problems.

If McCain was hoping to salvage any part of his credibility with environmentalists, he threw that chance out the window by adding Palin to his ticket. Palin is in favor of offshore drilling and drilling in the ecologically sensitive Arctic National Wildlife Refuge.

The Miami Herald reported:

The Alaska governor has said that she has tried to persuade McCain to agree with her on drilling in the wildlife refuge. She also has said that she was happy that he changed his position over the summer and now supports offshore oil drilling.

As if that weren't bad enough, in her speech this week at the Republican National Convention, she said, "Our opponents say, again and again, that drilling will not solve all of America's energy problems -- as if we all didn't know that already." Huh. I guess drilling even when it won't help is better than working on renewable energy sources, as Palin also vetoed money for a wind energy project.

8. Sarah Palin loves oil and nuclear power.

Aside from her "drill here, drill there, drill everywhere" approach to our energy crisis, the only other things we know about Palin's energy policy, especially given her Bush-like love of avoiding the press, comes from her acceptance speech:

Starting in January, in a McCain-Palin administration, we're going to lay more pipelines, build more nuclear plants, create jobs with clean coal and move forward on solar, wind, geothermal and other alternative sources.

Nuclear power plants. Interesting. As folks look for alternative fuel sources (and again, Palin loves oil first and foremost so her commitment to any alternative energy source is suspect at best), nuclear power is enjoying a return to vogue. But here's the problem: Even the U.S. government's own nuclear agency, the Nuclear Regulatory Commission, thinks an atomic renaissance is a bad idea:

Delivered by one of America's most notoriously docile agencies, the NRC's warning essentially says: that all cost estimates for new nuclear reactors -- and all licensing and construction schedules -- are completely up for grabs and have no reliable basis in fact. Thus any comparisons between future atomic reactors and renewable technologies are moot at best.

Not to mention /www.beyondnuclear.org/nuclearpower.html>all the other problems with nuclear energy, such as how to dispose of nuclear waste and the possibility of a catastrophic meltdown, to name a couple. Palin has no background with nuclear energy and shows no evidence of having looked into the science behind it or the dangers that come with it.

Also, it's time for Palin to drop another Bush-like tendency: Governor, the word is pronounced "new-clear."

9. Sarah Palin doesn't think much of community activism; she'd much rather play insider political games.

In her Republican convention speech, Palin slammed Barack Obama's early political work, saying, "I guess a small-town mayor is sort of like a community organizer, except you have actual responsibilities." Palin's put-down of grassroots workers, often unpaid or low-paid, demeaned an American tradition of neighbors helping neighbors, according to Deepak Bhargava, executive director of the Center for Community Change. But more revealing is Palin's apparent lack of experience in community change and local volunteer efforts, during her years in Alaska before becoming governor.

Scores of press accounts of her early years as mayor of Wasilla omit any mention of such work. Instead, they note as mayor, and in the intervening years before running for governor, Palin gravitated to those with power, money or influence. She worked to enlarge Wasilla's Wal-Mart and build a sports center (that went over budget in an eminent domain dispute), and she hired a Washington lobbyist, directed a political fundraising committee for the state's senior U.S. senator, Republican Ted Stevens, now under indictment for corruption, and steered $22 million in federal aid to her town. While some of her early community work was undoubtedly centered on her church, perhaps this comment by a blog reader best sums up Palin's political opportunism:

So community organizers (aren't) responsible? Or caring? Or doing anything important. What a terrible insult to the greatest community organizer of all time, Jesus Christ.

[The_Noble_Cause]

It's not trumped up. They showed the fake registrations on the morning news the other day. One voter was registered 7 times with different addresses, phone numbers, and social security numbers but the exact same signature. I guess the boogeyman has a real name although it's kinda hard to tell where he lives or what his real phone number is.

Such inconsistencies are bound to happen with any major get out the vote effort.
ACORN was in the sights of the Right Wing prior to this, largely because it's agenda includes workers rights and a living wage.

[conversationpc]

It's not trumped up. They showed the fake registrations on the morning news the other day. One voter was registered 7 times with different addresses, phone numbers, and social security numbers but the exact same signature. I guess the boogeyman has a real name although it's kinda hard to tell where he lives or what his real phone number is.

Such inconsistencies are bound to happen with any major get out the vote effort.
ACORN was in the sights of the Right Wing prior to this, largely because it's agenda includes workers rights and a living wage.

You call SEVEN registrations with the same person an inconsistency?

They apparently also have some of the members of the Dallas Cowboys registered in Nevada even though the players do not live there. I saw an interview this morning with one voter who registered through ACORN and admitted to having registered multiple times and said she was encouraged to do so. This is far more than an inconsistency. But I suppose, similar to your Ayers defense, that it's allowable for them to do illegal things like this because they do good things in other areas?

[Don]

After reading this report, I wouldn't trust Palin to run a large city like L.A. let alone be the Vice President of the entire country. I'm sure she meant well be she seems petty and vindictive. Bright lights, big city is not the stage she should be on.

http://download2.legis.state.ak.us/DOWNLOAD.pdf

[The_Noble_Cause]

You call SEVEN registrations with the same person an inconsistency?

They apparently also have some of the members of the Dallas Cowboys registered in Nevada even though the players do not live there. I saw an interview this morning with one voter who registered through ACORN and admitted to having registered multiple times and said she was encouraged to do so. This is far more than an inconsistency.

You can presume malice if you want. I presume unwieldy bureacracy and employees signing up whoever they can just to have their clipboards full by day's end. I worked on a campaign in New Jersey - crackheads were being hired out of halfway homes. It was bedlam.

But I suppose, similar to your Ayers defense, that it's allowable for them to do illegal things like this because they do good things in other areas?

Never said Ayers crimes were "allowable", only that it was 40 years ago, and were not committed concurrent with Obama's involvement with him.
People change, people grow. Impressions are largely informed by who people are, not what they did.

[fredinator]

link please to this story... where are your facts?

Even for putting a bounty on wolf puppies' paws? I know you are going to have a good ol' time with that one, Dan, but that's just plain, focking cruel. She gives me the creeps.

Tree, here is the article on Salon.Com:

http://www.salon.com/env/feature/2008/09/08/sarah_palin_wolves/

It's just a couple of pages long. By the way, Tree, keep your fucking observations about people like me to yourself until you know what you're talking about. Salon.Com is a reputable online news group!! What did you think? I would send you to a hairdresser's site? Dodo.

[RedWingFan]

And don't forget, as Rush likes to say, if it says "non-proft" or "non-partisan", that means it's actually liberal, too!
You guys are beyond fucked up.

Well, if Caribou Barbie Pageant Princess gets VP, our COUNTRY will be "beyond fucked up"!

If you don't have the MINUTES it takes to read this, it's your perogative....but, there's NO WAY I CAN SUPPORT THIS WOMAN, based on the following:

Punishing rape victims?

[RedWingFan]

A PBS poll being credible???
If you're looking for fair and balanced, steer away from moveon.org, cbs, nbc, abc, cnn, nyt, washington post, and PBS.

And don't forget, as Rush likes to say, if it says "non-proft" or "non-partisan", that means it's actually liberal, too!
You guys are beyond fucked up.

I've listened to him everyday for the past 5 years at least and have never heard him say that.
Rush does like to say, "Liberalism is the most GUTLESS decision anyone could make." "You don't have to actually solve a problem, you just throw money at it."

If you're keeping score my favorite phrase is from Mark Levin who says, "Liberalism is the philosophy of the stupid." Got that straight?

[The_Noble_Cause]

I've listened to him everyday for the past 5 years at least and have never heard him say that.
Rush does like to say, "Liberalism is the most GUTLESS decision anyone could make." "You don't have to actually solve a problem, you just throw money at it."

If you're keeping score my favorite phrase is from Mark Levin who says, "Liberalism is the philosophy of the stupid." Got that straight?

Don't care.
He said it.

[Lula]

And don't forget, as Rush likes to say, if it says "non-proft" or "non-partisan", that means it's actually liberal, too!
You guys are beyond fucked up.

Well, if Caribou Barbie Pageant Princess gets VP, our COUNTRY will be "beyond fucked up"!

If you don't have the MINUTES it takes to read this, it's your perogative....but, there's NO WAY I CAN SUPPORT THIS WOMAN, based on the following:

Punishing rape victims?

Caribou Barbie charged the women of rape for the forensic kits needed to prosecute. Go ahead and cheer her on you dumb fuck.

[Lula]

Re: the moose and wolf hunting...

No one on this earth loves animals more than me, but sometimes hunting is important to the
welfare of all.

http://www.fws.gov/hunting/

I don't like the idea that Sarah is a big hunter, but I think the image she's trying to emote is that she's tough.
This is her schtick....she's beautiful and that can hinder her more than help her if she doesn't have her shit kickers
on.

Right, the welfare of all. They shoot from planes like it's a damn video game, that is not sport. $150 a paw cruel bitch.

[RedWingFan]

And don't forget, as Rush likes to say, if it says "non-proft" or "non-partisan", that means it's actually liberal, too!
You guys are beyond fucked up.

Well, if Caribou Barbie Pageant Princess gets VP, our COUNTRY will be "beyond fucked up"!

If you don't have the MINUTES it takes to read this, it's your perogative....but, there's NO WAY I CAN SUPPORT THIS WOMAN, based on the following:

Punishing rape victims?

Caribou Barbie charged the women of rape for the forensic kits needed to prosecute. Go ahead and cheer her on you dumb fuck.

Oh, did the state also refuse to reimburse said victims for the gas, time away from work, and other expenses it cost to continue with the case?
I'd guess at least Palin expecting citizens cover some of these costs keeps the state of Alaska from having to release prisoners early to murder and rape again like our great Gov. Granholm does here in Michigan. Now go get a job Dean.

[whirlwind]

http://www.adn.com/politics/story/476430.html



This women is being trashed because of this creep. Every police force has one or two of them and I'll bet that we all know of a few in our towns and he's still on the force.

[scarygirl]

And don't forget, as Rush likes to say, if it says "non-proft" or "non-partisan", that means it's actually liberal, too!
You guys are beyond fucked up.

Well, if Caribou Barbie Pageant Princess gets VP, our COUNTRY will be "beyond fucked up"!

If you don't have the MINUTES it takes to read this, it's your perogative....but, there's NO WAY I CAN SUPPORT THIS WOMAN, based on the following:

Punishing rape victims?

Caribou Barbie charged the women of rape for the forensic kits needed to prosecute. Go ahead and cheer her on you dumb fuck.

This is one issue that I take deep issue with. When I learned that I was really taken a back. How discusting. However, as reprehensible as it is it's not exactly uncommon. Here in NC there are funds courtesy of Crime Victim's compensation to pay for the kits. The way it's supposed to work is if the victim has insurance they they are billed first then the state pays the remainder. However, if teh victim has no insurance the bill is supposed to go directly to the state. Unfortunately the bill sometimes goes directly to the victim. So to castigate Palin for something that is fairly common accross states is a little unfair. Even so, her stance on rape victims and abortion is hard for me to comprehend. If she thinks that the victim should just bare the child I 'd imagine she'd wouldn't allow rape victims to have the morning after pill either. 25 percent of all victims get pregnant seems a LITTLE high. [b Most online statistical sources say 3 to 4 percent of all rapes result in pregnancy not 25 percent[/b]. This is further supported in teh training I received in my years as a volunteer rape advocate.

http://www.missthemess.com/statistics/rape.php

http://www.pandys.org/rapeandpregnancy.html

Don't get me wrong I think abortion is dispicable. A baby born of rape no matter how rare is just as precious as any other child, but I understand if a woman having that experience wouldn't want to further traumatize herself although I would argue that the act of aborting a child itself due to any circumstance can be just as painful. Having an abortion won't make the pain of rape go away. The only thinng that heals it is time and the pleasure of seeing your attacker put behind bars or when that doesn't work slow torture. I believe in an eye for an eye.

[scarygirl]

And don't forget, as Rush likes to say, if it says "non-proft" or "non-partisan", that means it's actually liberal, too!
You guys are beyond fucked up.

Well, if Caribou Barbie Pageant Princess gets VP, our COUNTRY will be "beyond fucked up"!

If you don't have the MINUTES it takes to read this, it's your perogative....but, there's NO WAY I CAN SUPPORT THIS WOMAN, based on the following:

Punishing rape victims?

Caribou Barbie charged the women of rape for the forensic kits needed to prosecute. Go ahead and cheer her on you dumb fuck.

Oh, did the state also refuse to reimburse said victims for the gas, time away from work, and other expenses it cost to continue with the case?
I'd guess at least Palin expecting citizens cover some of these costs keeps the state of Alaska from having to release prisoners early to murder and rape again like our great Gov. Granholm does here in Michigan. Now go get a job Dean.

You know I'll only say this to you once because I genearlly agree with you on most issues, but what an ass statement. Of course there are FUNDS AS WELL THERE SHOULD BE.. Here in NC it's called Crime Victim's Compensation and yes lost wages, counseling etc are covered. This isn't just for rape victims, but all victims of crime. If a perp can receive free legal counsel the least we can do is treat the victims in kind. What IRKS me is that Rape victims are treated differently as though a crime didn't happen. In fact, let's be honest. The only good respected rape victim is a dead one. Only then do we take it seriously. Case in point that poor girl that was raped and buried alive by that sick piece o shit John Cooey. If he had been sent 12 feet under 50,000 rape crimes ago that girl would still be alive.

I am all for saving money, but there are better ways of doing it. Come on now.

[fredinator]

Welp, as long as we're picking on Palin, has anyone seen the vid of the preacher from Africa who laid hands on Palin (ok minds out of the gutter, lol) and intoned God to chase any witch out that might be in her soul--I wish I could remember all the nutty stuff he said... I think there was some speaking in tongues going on, too. The preacher's credentials were that he had chased this "witch" (poor woman) out of a village in Africa. What kind of church does she go to anyway?

[fredinator]

If McCain won this election, this woman would be second in line to the presidency (shiver emoticon). That is one of my strongest objections to McCain. Mitt Romney sounds so much more palatable now.

[Don]

http://www.adn.com/politics/story/476430.html



This women is being trashed because of this creep. Every police force has one or two of them and I'll bet that we all know of a few in our towns and he's still on the force.

She tarnished herself by going for backwoods justice AFTER he had been investigated. She punished an innocent man for refusing to help her with her vigilante agenda. If she would have stuck to the rules of her office this wouldn't be an issue. Maybe the guy is a jerk but it wasn't her job to try and take him down. The top cop should have kicked Todd's ass for trying to intimidate him to fabricate shit about the case. Read the report. It is bipartisan. It's not about left or right, it's about someone trying to buck the law and dish out her own brand of justice. A smalltown beauty queen didn't get her way and had a tantrum. No big deal but she brought it on herself without anyone elses help.