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Postby 7 Wishes » Fri Oct 17, 2008 11:00 am

treetopovskaya wrote:oh... there's a good source. isn't msnbc lib media? ick. don't trust any media... that's my motto (take it all with a grain of salt).


But you've cited O'Reilly and Hannity in this thread in a positive light. What gives?
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Postby RedWingFan » Fri Oct 17, 2008 11:02 am

7 Wishes wrote:1. "As for that VP talk all the time

Dude, I said stupid quotes. Not quotes in general or quotes you don't agree with like "mission from God". Weak dude. I'll be back with the really stupid stuff. Youtube's blocked here at work so it may be a couple of hours. :D
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Postby Don » Fri Oct 17, 2008 11:02 am

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Gunbot wrote:Palin is the Devil's daughter so it all evens out.

Why because she's a Christian? I feel sorry for you bigot athiests.


Exactly, she's a christian who feels that are troops in Iraq are doing the Lord's work.

Obama's a Christian. It's only okay to be a Christian if your church espouses the "USofKKKA", "chickens coming home to roost" garbage?


I don't have anything against Christians but I think Palin's brand of Christianity is too extreme. I don't want her in the White House influencing anyone. If I'm a bigot, so be it.

You are. Congratulations. Whatever you do, don't read any of the founders speaches or you may have to blow your brains out because of the disgusting principles this country was founded on. :D


I guess I should have never enlisted then, what was I thinking? :lol: I'm done with my Palin bashing now, I made my viewpoint known so I'm satisfied. She's not my cup of tea but I don't think she represents the majority of Christians I met. That's my opinion and I'm sure yours is different but theology is not what I want to argue about. If you guys find contentment in it then I'm happy that it works for you.
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Postby treetopovskaya » Fri Oct 17, 2008 11:08 am

i felt obama threw out the race card way before the mccain rally drama even started...

his whole i have a weird name & did you know he's black speech. }:C|

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I saw the video. Princess Palin was on stage, when that asshole yelled, "Kill Him!" She did absolutely nothing.

Go fuck yourself. You are a douchebag.

Oh I am sorry. You must not have seen it, because Fixed Noise would never run it. That fair and balanced crock of shit network with those right wing nutjobs...I bet you cream yourself when Sean comes on at 6, huh? I bet you masturbate hard to Brit Hume or Karl Rove too.

You cons can reel in this starting November 4th. I cannot wait to see you all freak the fuck out.

FYI, the difference is, the BIG difference is Sarah fucking Palin was ON STAGE and within easy earshot of the "Kill Him" screamer and laughed out loud. She could have said right there, "that is bullshit and stop it now." However, no, not Caribou Barbie. Now the guys who wore the anti Palin shirts were not at an Obama function, or a Biden function. Neither could publicly acknowledge and condemn them for the attire. They weren't there.
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I think it's funny that voting for McCain now makes you a racist. I saw a spot on the news today where people are defacing McCain signs and writing RACIST on people's houses, sidewalks, etc. So, just because a black guy is running that I don't see eye to eye with politically, that makes me a racist??? This world is f'ed up! Anyone who thinks that me voting for McCain because he is white is the biggot.
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Postby The_Noble_Cause » Fri Oct 17, 2008 11:09 am

treetopovskaya wrote:oh... there's a good source. isn't msnbc lib media? ick. don't trust any media... that's my motto (take it all with a grain of salt).


Any network that employs or formerly employed Michael Savage, Anne Coulter, Monica Crowley, Tucker Carlson, Laura Ingraham, and Joe Scarborough is NOT liberal. Their primetime lineup now has two lib hosts. Big deal.
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Postby 7 Wishes » Fri Oct 17, 2008 11:09 am

RedWingFan wrote:Dude, I said stupid quotes. Not quotes in general or quotes you don't agree with like "mission from God". Weak dude. I'll be back with the really stupid stuff. Youtube's blocked here at work so it may be a couple of hours. :D


It's not at all weak. Her words - or lack thereof - speak for themselves. NONE of these can be CONTEXTUALIZED. They're just examples of her lack of intelligence.

P.S. I can set up a page with all the quotes on You Tube, just for you, dude. :roll:
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Postby conversationpc » Fri Oct 17, 2008 11:09 am

7 Wishes wrote:Um...sorry, wrong again.

Latest Election Composite Polls

* McCain (R) 42.7% 164 electoral votes
* Obama (D) 49.5% 344 electoral votes


Those numbers are crap...Yes, Obama is still in the lead but a majority of the polls have tightened by a point or two in the last few days...

Rasmussen Tracking Obama 50, McCain 46 Obama +4
Reuters/C-Span/Zogby Tracking Obama 49, McCain 44 Obama +5
Hotline/FD Tracking Obama 49, McCain 41 Obama +8
Gallup Tracking (Traditional)* Obama 49, McCain 47 Obama +2
Gallup Tracking (Expanded)* Obama 51, McCain 45 Obama +6

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls ... index.html
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Postby nolippin » Fri Oct 17, 2008 11:10 am

Well, ole Joe the Plant doesn't have to worry about his taxes going up. He doesn't pay them anyway. The guy's got a lein on his house because of unpaid taxes. Now how was he planning to buy that business? This whole thing stinks. Now the guy is being asked to appear with McCain at rallies and has TV interviews booked. This whole thing was a setup.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081016/ap_ ... plumber_20


AP HOLLAND, Ohio – Joe the Plumber's story sprang a few leaks Thursday. Turns out that the man who was held up by John McCain as the typical, hard-working American taxpayer isn't really a licensed plumber. And court documents show he owes nearly $1,200 in back taxes.

"Joe," whose name is Samuel J. Wurzelbacher, was cited repeatedly in Wednesday night's final presidential debate by McCain for questioning Barack Obama's tax policy.

Wurzelbacher instantly became a media celebrity, fielding calls during the debate and facing reporters outside his home near Toledo on Thursday morning for an impromptu nationally televised news conference.

The burly, bald man acknowledged he doesn't have a plumber's license, but said he didn't need one because he works for someone else at a company that does residential work.

But Wurzelbacher still would need to be a licensed apprentice or journeyman to work in Toledo, and he's not, said David Golis, manager and residential building official for the Toledo Division of Building Inspection.

State and local records show Wurzelbacher has no license, although his employer does. Golis said there are no records of inspectors citing Wurzelbacher for unlicensed work in Toledo.

And then there was the matter of his taxes.

Wurzelbacher owes the state of Ohio $1,182.98 in personal income tax, according to Lucas County Court of Common Pleas records.

In January 2007, Ohio's Department of Taxation filed a claim on his property until he pays the debt, according to the records. The lien remains active.

At the debate, McCain cited Wurzelbacher as an example of someone who wants to buy a plumbing business but would be hurt by Obama's tax plans.

Wurzelbacher, a self-described conservative, had spoken to Obama at a rally Sunday near his home and asked him whether his tax plan would keep him from buying the business that currently employs him, which earns more than $250,000 a year.

"Your new tax plan is going to tax me more, isn't it?" Wurzelbacher asked.

Obama said that under his proposal taxes on any revenue from $250,000 on down would stay the same, but that amounts above that level would be subject to a 39 percent tax, instead of the current 36 percent rate.

McCain said Obama's plan would stop entrepreneurs such as Wurzelbacher from investing in new small businesses and keep existing ones from growing.

Wurzelbacher had a deal with a clog of two dozen reporters outside his home on a narrow street lined with ranch- and split-level homes Thursday morning. No detail about the divorced father of a 13-year-old boy was too small: Was he a registered voter? Did he have a plumbing license? Whom will he vote for?

Leaning against his black Dodge Durango SUV, Wurzelbacher at first was amused by it all, then overwhelmed and finally a little annoyed.

"I don't have a lot of pull. It's not like I'm Matt Damon," he said "I just hope I'm not making too much of a fool of myself."

He indicated he was a fan of the military and McCain but wouldn't say who will get his vote. He is registered as a Republican, the county elections board said, because he voted in the GOP primary in March.

Wurzelbacher said a McCain campaign official contacted him several days before the debate to ask him to appear with the candidate at a Toledo rally scheduled for Sunday.

He told reporters he's unsure if he'll attend, since he's now scheduled to be in New York for TV interviews.

He said he hadn't been contacted by the Republican campaign since the debate. On Thursday, McCain told Fox News that he intended to call Wurzelbacher.

"I'm probably going to call him this morning. I thought he would probably be up late. I heard that his — that his phone lines were pretty well were flooded. But I think we're going to be spending some time together," McCain told the network.

On Thursday in New Hampshire, Obama said McCain was misleading voters by proposing tax plans that favor the rich while criticizing an Obama tax plan that would raise taxes only on people making more than $250,000 a year, just 5 percent of all taxpayers.

"He's trying to suggest that a plumber is the guy he's fighting for," Obama said. "How many plumbers you know that are making a quarter-million dollars a year?"

Wurzelbacher said he felt a bit overwhelmed by all the attention.

"I'm kind of like Britney Spears having a headache. Everybody wants to know about it," he joked.

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Postby 7 Wishes » Fri Oct 17, 2008 11:11 am

Dave, this is the second time you've posted this in the past 15 minutes.

You can give up the proselytizing.
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Postby conversationpc » Fri Oct 17, 2008 11:12 am

7 Wishes wrote:Dave, this is the second time you've posted this in the past 15 minutes.

You can give up the proselytizing.


And it's the second time you didn't post other numbers that contradict yours. Give up the purposely incomplete info.

And, wrong again...That was over four hours ago.
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Postby Lula » Fri Oct 17, 2008 11:12 am

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I don't have anything against Christians but I think Palin's brand of Christianity is too extreme. I don't want her in the White House influencing anyone. If I'm a bigot, so be it.


extremism in any form is not good for the country or anyone for that matter. i don't think you are a bigot for saying what you have. palin is too extreme, in my opinion, in her religious beliefs. too want to force a victim of incest or rape to have that baby is absurd. what if a 12 yr old girl becomes pregnant by her brother or father- you telling me that child has to have that baby? way too extreme!
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Postby conversationpc » Fri Oct 17, 2008 11:16 am

Lula wrote:too want to force a victim of incest or rape to have that baby is absurd.


How is it extreme to want an unborn child to live instead of dying for the sins of its father. I seriously can't fault someone for that decision but there is also an innocent life at stake. Both sides have to be considered. There's nothing absurd about that.
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Postby conversationpc » Fri Oct 17, 2008 11:19 am

7 Wishes wrote:Put down the hammer, Maxwell. All is well.

http://abcnews.go.com/PollingUnit/PollTracker/fullpage?id=5611512


You said earlier that "all polls show Obama's lead between 7 and 14 points". The poll results I posted from RealClearPolitics clearly showed you were wrong. Just admit it. It's OK to be wrong. :lol:
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Postby 7 Wishes » Fri Oct 17, 2008 11:20 am

This one in particular interests me. Of course, this has already long been proven as irrefutable fact.

The higher the level of education, the more likely a person is to vote Democrat.

http://abcnews.go.com/PollingUnit/PollTracker/fullpage?id=5611512
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Postby 7 Wishes » Fri Oct 17, 2008 11:21 am

conversationpc wrote:You said earlier that "all polls show Obama's lead between 7 and 14 points". The poll results I posted from RealClearPolitics clearly showed you were wrong. Just admit it. It's OK to be wrong. :lol:


Um, David?

The COMPOSITE polls have the lead at 10. Various polls have it between, I'm sorry, 5 and 14. You got me there. :roll:
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Postby RedWingFan » Fri Oct 17, 2008 11:21 am

7 Wishes wrote:1. "As for that VP talk all the time

I'll start with Joe Biden.

1.“Is he ready?” You said, ‘I think he can be ready but right now, I don’t believe he is. The presidency is not something that lends itself to on-the-job training.”

2. “I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy, I mean, that’s a storybook, man.”

3. “I would be honored to run with or against John McCain, because I think the country would be better off.”

4. "A man I'm proud to call my friend. A man who will be the next President of the United States — Barack America!" --Joe Biden, at his first campaign rally with Barack Obama

5. "Yes." --Joe Biden, giving a one-word answer during a Democratic debate to NBC Anchor Brian Wiliams, who cited criticism of Biden's "uncontrolled verbosity" and tendency to be a “gaffe machine” in asking whether he would "have the discipline you would need on the world stage"

6. "You cannot go to a 7-11 or a Dunkin' Donuts unless you have a slight Indian accent.... I'm not joking." --Joe Biden

Now to Obama.

7. "I'm here with the Girardo family here in St. Louis." --speaking via satellite to the Democratic National Convention, while in Kansas City, Missouri, Aug. 25, 2008

8. "Let me introduce to you the next President -- the next Vice President of the United States of America, Joe Biden." --slipping up while introducing Joe Biden at their first joint campaign rally, Springfield, Illinois, Aug. 23, 2008

9. "Just this past week, we passed out of the out of the U.S. Senate Banking Committee -- which is my committee -- a bill to call for divestment from Iran as way of ratcheting up the pressure to ensure that they don't obtain a nuclear weapon." --referring to a committee he is not on, Sderot, Israel, July 23, 2008

10. "Let me be absolutely clear. Israel is a strong friend of Israel's. It will be a strong friend of Israel's under a McCain...administration. It will be a strong friend of Israel's under an Obama administration. So that policy is not going to change." --Amman, Jordan, July 22, 2008

11. "How's it going, Sunshine?" --campaigning in Sunrise, Florida :lol: Seriously, I didn't even know about this one!! :lol:

12. "On this Memorial Day, as our nation honors its unbroken line of fallen heroes -- and I see many of them in the audience here today -- our sense of patriotism is particularly strong." :lol: Seeing dead soldiers in the audience!! :lol:

13. "I've now been in 57 states -- I think one left to go." --at a campaign event in Beaverton, Oregon

14. "Why can't I just eat my waffle?" --after being asked a foreign policy question by a reporter while visiting a diner in Pennsylvania :lol: LMAO!! :lol:

15. "It's not surprising, then, they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." --explaining his troubles winning over some working-class voters

16. "The point I was making was not that Grandmother harbors any racial animosity. She doesn't. But she is a typical white person, who, if she sees somebody on the street that she doesn't know, you know, there's a reaction that's been bred in our experiences that don't go away and that sometimes come out in the wrong way, and that's just the nature of race in our society."

17. "Come on! I just answered, like, eight questions." --exasperated by reporters after a news conference

18. "You're likeable enough, Hillary." --during a Democratic debate

19. "In case you missed it, this week, there was a tragedy in Kansas. Ten thousand people died -- an entire town destroyed." --on a Kansas tornado that killed 12 people

Like I said. If you want some youtube gems. like, "uh....breathalyzer" or how much his health care plan is going to cost. You'll have to wait til I get home. :lol: Thanks dude, I found some new ones. "How's it going Sunshine?" :lol:
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Postby Lula » Fri Oct 17, 2008 11:22 am

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Lula wrote:too want to force a victim of incest or rape to have that baby is absurd.


How is it extreme to want an unborn child to live instead of dying for the sins of its father. I seriously can't fault someone for that decision but there is also an innocent life at stake. Both sides have to be considered. There's nothing absurd about that.


sins of the father? both sides? how about the victim, the woman/girl? for a 12 yr old to have the experience of pregnancy and give birth at 13 is so cruel and adds insult to injury. does the victim not have any rights? the man does what he does and destroys an innocent life; takes away a childhood. i do not advocate abortion, but i absolutely do not advocate forcing a 12 yr old to give birth.
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Postby conversationpc » Fri Oct 17, 2008 11:22 am

7 Wishes wrote:This one in particular interests me. Of course, this has already long been proven as irrefutable fact.

The higher the level of education, the more likely a person is to vote Democrat.

http://abcnews.go.com/PollingUnit/PollTracker/fullpage?id=5611512


Most of the people I know who have graduated from college are either voting McCain or a third party candidate. If a 3rd party candidate had any chance at all, I would be as well and any other intelligent American, in my opinion.
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Postby 7 Wishes » Fri Oct 17, 2008 11:23 am

A few of those are, admittedly, doozies, but most are not at ALL.

Whereas the Palin quotes clearly illustrate she is a grade-A moron.
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Postby 7 Wishes » Fri Oct 17, 2008 11:25 am

conversationpc wrote:Most of the people I know who have graduated from college are either voting McCain or a third party candidate. If a 3rd party candidate had any chance at all, I would be as well and any other intelligent American, in my opinion.


That's because you tend to surround yourself, as most people do, with like-minded individuals.

But time and time again, the proof is in the pudding. Higher education = Democratic voter.
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Postby conversationpc » Fri Oct 17, 2008 11:25 am

Lula wrote:sins of the father? both sides? how about the victim, the woman/girl? for a 12 yr old to have the experience of pregnancy and give birth at 13 is so cruel and adds insult to injury. does the victim not have any rights? the man does what he does and destroys an innocent life; takes away a childhood. i do not advocate abortion, but i absolutely do not advocate forcing a 12 yr old to give birth.


Lula...I hate to say this but screw you. I've been there and done my part, so cut the lecture. I also said nothing about forcing anyone to do anything. My wife and I have done foster care and adopted and worked with at-risk children and this is one area that I just don't take any crap in, so don't EVER tell me that I don't think about the other side. Like I said, I can see the other side, but you just glossed right over that. I was simply countering your statement by showing that there is another side to the issue.
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Postby treetopovskaya » Fri Oct 17, 2008 11:39 am

she said she doesn't believe in abortion but also doesn't believe in taking that away from people.

HER beliefs keep HER from having an abortion.

if you all trust obama's word, why not palin's?


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extremism in any form is not good for the country or anyone for that matter. i don't think you are a bigot for saying what you have. palin is too extreme, in my opinion, in her religious beliefs. too want to force a victim of incest or rape to have that baby is absurd. what if a 12 yr old girl becomes pregnant by her brother or father- you telling me that child has to have that baby? way too extreme!
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Postby conversationpc » Fri Oct 17, 2008 11:41 am

7 Wishes wrote:That's because you tend to surround yourself, as most people do, with like-minded individuals.


Actually, I've spent most of my life knowing a good number of Dems and Repubs. My Dad is a life-long Dem. My Mom a Repub. Same way with people I attended school with in Pennsylvania and New York. As for the people I work with, I'd say it's almost an even split between conservatives, liberals, and independents. Heck, even the church I attend has liberals. :shock: :lol:

But time and time again, the proof is in the pudding. Higher education = Democratic voter.


IF this is true, it doesn't surprise me since so much of academia is dominated by liberal professors. Universities even realize it as some colleges are beginning to recruit conservative professors because some of their campuses have a huge deficit in conservative thinkers.

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Postby Lula » Fri Oct 17, 2008 11:41 am

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Lula wrote:sins of the father? both sides? how about the victim, the woman/girl? for a 12 yr old to have the experience of pregnancy and give birth at 13 is so cruel and adds insult to injury. does the victim not have any rights? the man does what he does and destroys an innocent life; takes away a childhood. i do not advocate abortion, but i absolutely do not advocate forcing a 12 yr old to give birth.


Lula...I hate to say this but screw you. I've been there and done my part, so cut the lecture. I also said nothing about forcing anyone to do anything. My wife and I have done foster care and adopted and worked with at-risk children and this is one area that I just don't take any crap in, so don't EVER tell me that I don't think about the other side. Like I said, I can see the other side, but you just glossed right over that. I was simply countering your statement by showing that there is another side to the issue.


dave, feel free to tell me "screw you" it's quite alright. i am in no way lecturing you. you referenced the father and the unborn, but did not speak of the victim. i am pointing out the absurdity of a child being forced to go through a pregnancy after already being violated in a most disturbing way. this is not a reference to you or your beliefs, but to palin's. perhaps pro lifers might consider 3 sides rather than 2 in consideration of the violated one. if i misunderstood you, my sincere apology. as much as we disagree i like and respect you and meant no harm.



How is it extreme to want an unborn child to live instead of dying for the sins of its father. I seriously can't fault someone for that decision but there is also an innocent life at stake. Both sides have to be considered. There's nothing absurd about that.
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Postby RedWingFan » Fri Oct 17, 2008 11:43 am

I'd also like to point out that overturning Roe vs. Wade, would only let states vote whether or not to ban abortion in their state. God forbid. :roll:
treetopovskaya wrote:she said she doesn't believe in abortion but also doesn't believe in taking that away from people.

HER beliefs keep HER from having an abortion.

if you all trust obama's word, why not palin's?


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extremism in any form is not good for the country or anyone for that matter. i don't think you are a bigot for saying what you have. palin is too extreme, in my opinion, in her religious beliefs. too want to force a victim of incest or rape to have that baby is absurd. what if a 12 yr old girl becomes pregnant by her brother or father- you telling me that child has to have that baby? way too extreme!
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Postby conversationpc » Fri Oct 17, 2008 11:45 am

Lula wrote:dave, feel free to tell me "screw you" it's quite alright. i am in no way lecturing you. you referenced the father and the unborn, but did not speak of the victim. i am pointing out the absurdity of a child being forced to go through a pregnancy after already being violated in a most disturbing way. this is not a reference to you or your beliefs, but to palin's. perhaps pro lifers might consider 3 sides rather than 2 in consideration of the violated one. if i misunderstood you, my sincere apology. as much as we disagree i like and respect you and meant no harm.


As I said, I took the other side because you brought up the victim's side. I understand the victim's side and sympathize but the left does the same thiing they accuse us of doing, i.e., forgetting one of the innocent parties.
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Postby conversationpc » Fri Oct 17, 2008 11:47 am

RedWingFan wrote:I'd also like to point out that overturning Roe vs. Wade, would only let states vote whether or not to ban abortion in their state. God forbid. :roll:


That's the way it should be, in my opinion, along with the gay marriage issue.
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Postby RedWingFan » Fri Oct 17, 2008 11:47 am

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7 Wishes wrote:That's because you tend to surround yourself, as most people do, with like-minded individuals.


Actually, I've spent most of my life knowing a good number of Dems and Repubs. My Dad is a life-long Dem. My Mom a Repub. Same way with people I attended school with in Pennsylvania and New York. As for the people I work with, I'd say it's almost an even split between conservatives, liberals, and independents. Heck, even the church I attend has liberals. :shock: :lol:

But time and time again, the proof is in the pudding. Higher education = Democratic voter.


IF this is true, it doesn't surprise me since so much of academia is dominated by liberal professors. Universities even realize it as some colleges are beginning to recruit conservative professors because some of their campuses have a huge deficit in conservative thinkers.

http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_9261931


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MADISON, Wis. — The Racine school district’s use of an eighth grade textbook that includes a chapter on Democrat Barack Obama but nothing on his opponent John McCain is unfair and troubling, the Wisconsin Republican Party argued Thursday.

A parent complained on an Internet blog about the textbook that includes a chapter on Obama called ‘‘Dreams from My Father.’’
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Postby Lula » Fri Oct 17, 2008 11:52 am

treetopovskaya wrote:she said she doesn't believe in abortion but also doesn't believe in taking that away from people.

HER beliefs keep HER from having an abortion.

if you all trust obama's word, why not palin's?




not wanting to rehash this again.... palin has stated she would like to overturn roe v wade, i am taking her at her word.
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