The 2008 US Presidential Election Thread

[Allied Forces]

Ooooh, 7 Wishes called me an "asshole". Typical liberal name calling. I'm used to it.

I could care less about ACORN and Illinois. The Democratic Party fights for lesser educated people who wouldn't normally vote to be able to. They fight for early registration. (Vote on the correct day like the rest of us). They round up the LESS EDUCATED who can't make an informed opinion to vote for them.

That's the truth.

If I'm an asshole, you are the shit that comes out of it.

[7 Wishes]

Like I said before...the less # of fans in attendance, the better the seats I can get!
Politics aside, be happy for me.

Fair enough. I'm very happy for the team, and you and the six other die-hard Rays fans in the world.

[treetopovskaya]

hehehee}:C)

Higher education is, by far, no measure of intelligence.

Well, it certainly didn't help Palin.

She's a governor...you do push ups.

[7 Wishes]

If I'm an asshole, you are the shit that comes out of it.

Good comeback...seriously.

But you did call me a "smug elitist".

[Saint John]

She's a governor...you do push ups.

I'd let her do squat-thrusts on my face any day, though.

As would I!!!

[7 Wishes]

I never would have guessed that, Dan.

[treetopovskaya]

http://gov.state.ak.us/index.html

[Enigma869]

no one is naive john from b town... but to imply that ALL reps must be racist or even saying the majority must be is just wrong.

Listen tree lady...If you want to come after me, get your damn facts straight! I never once suggested that all, or even the majority of Republicans were racist, so don't attribute it to me! In fact, if you read my thread that you seem to be addressing, the term "Republican" wasn't mentioned once! I simply said that racism is alive and well in this country, and anyone who believes otherwise has their head up their ass!


John from Boston

p.s. Stop calling the great city of Boston, "b town", because it's goofy, and annoying!

[nolippin]

Sorry, but I believe that her daughter counts as someone having her mother's beliefs forced on her. She stated she wouldn't allow it. Her daughter at the time was only 14 and would have had to have her mother's permission regardless of what the daughter wanted.

for the love of god. the religion they believe in doesn't believe in abortion... in any case. those are her beliefs... her families beliefs. why is this even an issue? again... she has said she wouldn't force her beliefs on to others.

She would force it on her own child.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/0 ... 22924.html

In November 2006, then gubernatorial candidate Sarah Palin declared that she would not support an abortion for her own daughter even if she had been raped.

Granting exceptions only if the mother's life was in danger, Palin said that when it came to her daughter, "I would choose life."

At the time, her daughter was 14 years old. Moreover, Alaska's rape rate was an abysmal 2.2 times above the national average and 25 percent of all rapes resulted in unwanted pregnancies. But Palin's position was palatable within the state's largely Republican political circles.

Now that she's John McCain's vice presidential candidate, Palin's abortion policy (among others) is undergoing renewed scrutiny. The Alaska Republican has long declared herself pro-life. And her credentials on the topic make her the belle of the ball among religious conservatives. But Democrats and abortion rights advocates say her stance, specifically her unwillingness to grant her own child a choice to end a pregnancy induced by rape, is drastically at odds with public opinion -- even among many Republicans.

"This is absolutely outside the mainstream. Even in South Dakota they rejected [outlawing abortion in cases of rape] in '06 because it has gone too far and everyone can identify that in a case of rape or incest a woman should have the chance to make the decision with their family or doctor," said Nancy Keenan, president of NARAL Pro Choice America. "Women voters are going to reject both her and John McCain, and I think we see it specifically because we reach out to Republicans and independent pro-choice women. They live in the suburbs and exurbs. They are very much part of the mainstream America. And woman in general will reject that ticket."

Palin makes no secret of her abortion views. A member of the group Feminists for Life, she told the Alaska Right to Life Board in 2002 that she "adamantly supported our cause since I first understood, as a child, the atrocity of abortion." In an Eagle Forum Alaska questionnaire filled out during the 2006 gubernatorial race, Palin again stated that she is against abortion unless a doctor determined that a mother's life would end due to the pregnancy.

"I believe that no matter what mistakes we make as a society," she wrote, "we cannot condone ending an innocent's life."

But it's not just abortion policy that has Democrats up in arms over Palin. In that same 2006 questionnaire, the soon-to-be governor said she would fund abstinence-only education programs in schools. "The explicit sex-ed programs," she added, "will not find my support." The stance, which reflected the priorities of the GOP, nevertheless led to an incredulous editorial in the Juneau Empire.

"Abstinence may be a laudable goal, but failing to educate teenagers about how to protect themselves from disease or unintended pregnancy is tragically misguided. According to the National Campaign to Prevent Teen Pregnancy, abstinence-only programs do not reduce sexual activity, teen pregnancy or sexually transmitted disease. Every day 10,000 U.S. teens contract a sexually transmitted disease, 2,400 get pregnant and 55 contract HIV. Unintended pregnancies happen to Republicans, Democrats and people of all faiths."

While Palin's positions have drawn the ire and concern of the pro-choice and progressive community, they are largely -- save abortions in the case of rape -- in line with John McCain's own stances. The Senator is against federal funding of birth control and sex education. He has called for the overturning of Roe v. Wade and received a zero rating from NARAL. Once, aboard the Straight Talk Express, McCain was asked if he supported the use of contraception or President Bush's abstinence-only education program to stem the spreading of AIDS.

"After a long pause, he said, 'I think I support the president's policy.' Does he believe that contraceptives help stop the spread of HIV? After another long pause, he replied, "You've stumped me."

she also said she would not force her beliefs on others... including abortion.

cheese and rice.

she said she doesn't believe in abortion but also doesn't believe in taking that away from people.

HER beliefs keep HER from having an abortion.

if you all trust obama's word, why not palin's?

not wanting to rehash this again.... palin has stated she would like to overturn roe v wade, i am taking her at her word.

[conversationpc]

Sorry, but I believe that her daughter counts as someone having her mother's beliefs forced on her. She stated she wouldn't allow it. Her daughter at the time was only 14 and would have had to have her mother's permission regardless of what the daughter wanted.

Parents force things on their kids all the time. It's part of being a parent.

[RedWingFan]

Higher education is, by far, no measure of intelligence.

Well, it certainly didn't help Palin.

She's a governor...you do push ups.

Bwaaaahhhaaaaaahhhhaaaaaa!!!!
Maybe the funniest thing I've ever read on this board!! "you do push ups" literally crying here!!

[7 Wishes]

Which is good, for the most part.

Dave, for all our disagreements, I'd have to say that from what I can tell, you're a fantastic parent...and any child growing up with you as a father figure would be better off.

Just don't freak if your children wind up voting for Gore Jr. someday! It's the sincerest form of rebellion!

[conversationpc]

Dave, for all our disagreements, I'd have to say that from what I can tell, you're a fantastic parent...and any child growing up with you as a father figure would be better off.

Thanks but I'm probably a screw-up there sometimes also.

Just don't freak if your children wind up voting for Gore Jr. someday! It's the sincerest form of rebellion!

I'll lock my daughter in the basement...Well, since we don't have a basement, perhaps the dog cage.

[RedWingFan]

no...great cause though!
i'm watching kazmir mow down the sox.

Yeah, Tampa deserves a World Series berth.

Well, the players do. The "fans" do not. They won the division this year and made the leap from 29th to 26th in overall attendance. Real devotion, that.

Dude, I forgot Biden's 3 letter word in my list. "J-O-B-S, jobs"

Damnit. I'll try to get em all for you.

Aw, man I can't believe I forgot my favorite from stupid Biden.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2mzbuRgnI4

"You can tell I'm new."
I'll find them and dig em all up for you if it's the last thing I do 7Wishes.

[RedWingFan]

Dave, for all our disagreements, I'd have to say that from what I can tell, you're a fantastic parent...and any child growing up with you as a father figure would be better off.

Thanks but I'm probably a screw-up there sometimes also.

Just don't freak if your children wind up voting for Gore Jr. someday! It's the sincerest form of rebellion!

I'll lock my daughter in the basement...Well, since we don't have a basement, perhaps the dog cage.

When did you put up the new av? They're blocked at work so this is the first I've seen it. Great picture.

[nolippin]

Oh, come on. You know that this is not a typical case of parental supervision.

Sorry, but I believe that her daughter counts as someone having her mother's beliefs forced on her. She stated she wouldn't allow it. Her daughter at the time was only 14 and would have had to have her mother's permission regardless of what the daughter wanted.

Parents force things on their kids all the time. It's part of being a parent.

[conversationpc]

Dave, for all our disagreements, I'd have to say that from what I can tell, you're a fantastic parent...and any child growing up with you as a father figure would be better off.

Thanks but I'm probably a screw-up there sometimes also.

Just don't freak if your children wind up voting for Gore Jr. someday! It's the sincerest form of rebellion!

I'll lock my daughter in the basement...Well, since we don't have a basement, perhaps the dog cage.

When did you put up the new av? They're blocked at work so this is the first I've seen it. Great picture.

I just changed it about 20 minutes ago...That's a pic from Estonia, nearly four years ago. We'd only had her for about two days at that point and were being interviewed by an Estonian magazine for a Christmas-time article on adoption. The article inspired the President of Estonia to visit the orphanage in the southern part of the country where she spent her first six, nearly seven, years of life. It's amazing looking back how God orchestrated many of the events that occurred around her adoption, several of which could not have happened by mere chance. That was an awesome time.

[Enigma869]

With this line of reasoning, I could say because I believe it should be legal for me to shoot and kill an intruder who's broken into my home,

I believe that it is actually legal to use deadly force in some states if someone breaks into your home. I'm guessing Texas is one of those states. Texas has a law on the books that allows an owner of a car to legally shoot and kill someone trying to legally repossess their car (it was a story on the news last year). It seems a bit odd, but proves the point that some states allow for deadly force to defend property, which in my opinion, is ABSURD!


John from Boston

[conversationpc]

It seems a bit odd, but proves the point that some states allow for deadly force to defend property, which in my opinion, is ABSURD!

I think it is absolutely necessary to be able to defend your property in that way. If they are stupid enough to break into your home, they will do it again and most of those criminals end up committing violent crimes.

[treetopovskaya]

my comment wasn't directed at you.

bee

town

no one is naive john from b town... but to imply that ALL reps must be racist or even saying the majority must be is just wrong.

Listen tree lady...If you want to come after me, get your damn facts straight! I never once suggested that all, or even the majority of Republicans were racist, so don't attribute it to me! In fact, if you read my thread that you seem to be addressing, the term "Republican" wasn't mentioned once! I simply said that racism is alive and well in this country, and anyone who believes otherwise has their head up their ass!



John from Boston

p.s. Stop calling the great city of Boston, "b town", because it's goofy, and annoying!

[RedWingFan]

Dave, for all our disagreements, I'd have to say that from what I can tell, you're a fantastic parent...and any child growing up with you as a father figure would be better off.

Thanks but I'm probably a screw-up there sometimes also.

Just don't freak if your children wind up voting for Gore Jr. someday! It's the sincerest form of rebellion!

I'll lock my daughter in the basement...Well, since we don't have a basement, perhaps the dog cage.

When did you put up the new av? They're blocked at work so this is the first I've seen it. Great picture.

I just changed it about 20 minutes ago...That's a pic from Estonia, nearly four years ago. We'd only had her for about two days at that point and were being interviewed by an Estonian magazine for a Christmas-time article on adoption. The article inspired the President of Estonia to visit the orphanage in the southern part of the country where she spent her first six, nearly seven, years of life. It's amazing looking back how God orchestrated many of the events that occurred around her adoption, several of which could not have happened by mere chance. That was an awesome time.

Take a listen to this. Great song about adoption from one of my favorite bands.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muQhSwVBkAo

[Lula]

it's funny how people only believe what palin says when it suits them.

after all i've heard palin say, and i'll admit to shaking my head often, i believe she means what she says. her stance on abortion does not suit me, nor does her stance on many issues.

[Enigma869]

I think it is absolutely necessary to be able to defend your property in that way. If they are stupid enough to break into your home, they will do it again and most of those criminals end up committing violent crimes.

We'll agree to disagree on that point. While I certainly understand what you're saying about people having the ability to defend their space, it crosses the line to allow state sanctioned murder to a repo man, who is just doing his job. When I saw the story on 20/20, I was horrified. I honestly couldn't believe that there was a state in this country who would ever allow something like that to happen. Even if it weren't a repo man, doing his job, I would NEVER support someone being able to commit murder, to stop someone from stealing their car!


John from Boston

[conversationpc]

Even if it weren't a repo man, doing his job, I would NEVER support someone being able to commit murder, to stop someone from stealing their car!

If I owned a gun and I caught someone trying to steal my vehicle, I would use whatever force was necessary to stop them. That vehicle is essential in how I earn a living and I could not afford to be without it.

[treetopovskaya]

it suits people to pin her into a corner & make her look like some evil biatch. that is what i meant.

it's funny how people only believe what palin says when it suits them.

after all i've heard palin say, and i'll admit to shaking my head often, i believe she means what she says. her stance on abortion does not suit me, nor does her stance on many issues.

[conversationpc]

Megyn Kelly on O'Reilly's show is saying that voter fraud has already occurred in early voting in Ohio. She mentioned something about a citizen of Great Britain having registered to vote in Ohio and casting a vote. Has anyone else heard about this specific allegation?

[7 Wishes]

it suits people to pin her into a corner & make her look like some evil biatch. that is what i meant.

She got a free pass until she started making herself out to be an even bigger idiot than she is, on many different occasions.

Women voters now prefer Obama 57-39%. They know they were being duped, and they're too smart to fall for her spiel.

The media, and the Obama campaign, have had to withhold saying ANYTHING negative about her because they'd be accused of sexism. If Palin had a penis, she'd have long since declared a bigger idiot than Quayle.

[Enigma869]

If I owned a gun and I caught someone trying to steal my vehicle, I would use whatever force was necessary to stop them. That vehicle is essential in how I earn a living and I could not afford to be without it.

While I respect how important a vehicle is to some people, Dave, it will NEVER be so important to allow someone to commit murder...Not even if they use their vehicle to make a living! What's next...allowing the guy at the corner convenience store to murder some kid for stealing a Hershey Bar? In my opinion, deadly force should only ever be employed to defend a life, not an inanimate object!


John from Boston

[treetopovskaya]

you do understand she was speaking for herself right? not me. not you... not joe the plumber. for HERSELF.

SHE would choose life. she was asked a question & she answered... the exact same way i would... i would choose life. does that mean i'm going to force that belief on others? no.

in fact... she even said she wouldn't force her beliefs on others. so if you believe what she says believe that... or better question why won't you believe that?

it's funny how people only believe what palin says when it suits them.

after all i've heard palin say, and i'll admit to shaking my head often, i believe she means what she says. her stance on abortion does not suit me, nor does her stance on many issues.

[treetopovskaya]

the media withheld?

gmafb.

it suits people to pin her into a corner & make her look like some evil biatch. that is what i meant.

She got a free pass until she started making herself out to be an even bigger idiot than she is, on many different occasions.

Women voters now prefer Obama 57-39%. They know they were being duped, and they're too smart to fall for her spiel.

The media, and the Obama campaign, have had to withhold saying ANYTHING negative about her because they'd be accused of sexism. If Palin had a penis, she'd have long since declared a bigger idiot than Quayle.