The 2008 US Presidential Election Thread

[Enigma869]

She got a free pass until she started making herself out to be an even bigger idiot than she is, on many different occasions.

Women voters now prefer Obama 57-39%. They know they were being duped, and they're too smart to fall for her spiel.

The media, and the Obama campaign, have had to withhold saying ANYTHING negative about her because they'd be accused of sexism. If Palin had a penis, she'd have long since declared a bigger idiot than Quayle.

Dude...save your energy. Those with an "R" after their name think Palin is Einstein. All you have to do is watch her interviews with Couric. I don't care which party you're affiliated with...there is simply no defending what a fucking moron she came across as! The woman couldn't answer a question, and couldn't put a sentence together. It was actually uncomfortable to watch! Puppet Palin is all style, and ZERO substance!


John from Boston

[7 Wishes]

TOM BROKAW: It is and it, and it has worked particularly well, I think, for the Republican Party, because they always feel that this country is held captive or held hostage, if you will, by what they would call the "Eastern liberal press establishment." Let me read you what Governor Mitt Romney will say in his opening paragraph tonight.

"For decades the Washington sun has been rising in the East, Washington has been looking to the Eastern elites, to the editorial pages of the Times and the Post and to the broadcasters from the coast."

This is Mitt Romney, who was the head of Bay Capital, based in Massachusetts. He was the governor of Massachusetts. He became a man worth hundreds of millions of dollars by dealing with the Eastern establishment. So I think we're gonna see this pattern throughout that's been going on for a long, long time. And 1964 was probably the apotheosis of it at the Goldwater convention, when John Chancellor was led off the floor and had that memorable line, "John Chancellor reporting from somewhere in custody." We're grown-ups. We'll have to deal with all of this.

[Enigma869]

Here you go McCain fans...There is still hope for your candidate. One candidate has made up a large deficit in the polls before, to win The White House, and it was also a candidate older than dirt

http://news.aol.com/elections/article/i ... 1200676474


John from Boston

[RossValoryRocks]

Here you go McCain fans...There is still hope for your candidate. One candidate has made up a large deficit in the polls before, to win The White House, and it was also a candidate older than dirt

http://news.aol.com/elections/article/i ... 1200676474


John from Boston

Actually Bush was down 8 the morning of election day in 2004...and he still won...

[Lula]

you do understand she was speaking for herself right? not me. not you... not joe the plumber. for HERSELF.

SHE would choose life. she was asked a question & she answered... the exact same way i would... i would choose life. does that mean i'm going to force that belief on others? no.

in fact... she even said she wouldn't force her beliefs on others. so if you believe what she says believe that... or better question why won't you believe that?

it's funny how people only believe what palin says when it suits them.

after all i've heard palin say, and i'll admit to shaking my head often, i believe she means what she says. her stance on abortion does not suit me, nor does her stance on many issues.

i too choose life and i am also pro choice. my personal beliefs are my own and are only applicable to my life. as for palin, i'm going on her and mccain's stance and on what they have said- if given the opportunity they will overturn roe v wade. granted this would not necessarily outlaw abortion across the board as it could become a state issue, but without federal protection that could get ugly and create the awful back alley type of situations.

the goal should be to educate thoroughly and stop the ridiculously irresponsible women that don't prevent an unwanted pregnancy before it happens. but in protection of victims of rape, incest, and serious health risks that can be associated with pregnancy, as a civilized society women should be able to have the option and have it be medically safe and sound.

[Enigma869]

Actually Bush was down 8 the morning of election day in 2004...and he still won...

W. being elected once proves just how fucking stupid Americans are, when it comes to electing a president. The fact that he was elected twice is frightening! W. will go down as the worst president to ever serve two terms!


John from Boston

[Carrington]

With this line of reasoning, I could say because I believe it should be legal for me to shoot and kill an intruder who's broken into my home,

I believe that it is actually legal to use deadly force in some states if someone breaks into your home. I'm guessing Texas is one of those states. Texas has a law on the books that allows an owner of a car to legally shoot and kill someone trying to legally repossess their car (it was a story on the news last year). It seems a bit odd, but proves the point that some states allow for deadly force to defend property, which in my opinion, is ABSURD!


John from Boston

John......you need to get down here to Texas....and then you would understand......we have plenty of knuckleheads!....

[scarygirl]

I think you have to also consider the child that would be born of an incestous relationship and all the trauma that might bring on all concerned.

Most women, in my experience, that are in this type of a situation and give birth, give the child up for adoption and bring an immense amount of joy to the life of parents who might not otherwise be able to have children.

In cases of incest, nothing chances without the victim being taken out of the situation entirely which rarely happens. It isn't uncommon for the victim to continue liviing with the perp because the mother still loves said perp.

[MarcelJordan]

What is McCain doing?

[donnaplease]

you do understand she was speaking for herself right? not me. not you... not joe the plumber. for HERSELF.

SHE would choose life. she was asked a question & she answered... the exact same way i would... i would choose life. does that mean i'm going to force that belief on others? no.

in fact... she even said she wouldn't force her beliefs on others. so if you believe what she says believe that... or better question why won't you believe that?

it's funny how people only believe what palin says when it suits them.

after all i've heard palin say, and i'll admit to shaking my head often, i believe she means what she says. her stance on abortion does not suit me, nor does her stance on many issues.

i too choose life and i am also pro choice. my personal beliefs are my own and are only applicable to my life. as for palin, i'm going on her and mccain's stance and on what they have said- if given the opportunity they will overturn roe v wade. granted this would not necessarily outlaw abortion across the board as it could become a state issue, but without federal protection that could get ugly and create the awful back alley type of situations.

the goal should be to educate thoroughly and stop the ridiculously irresponsible women that don't prevent an unwanted pregnancy before it happens. but in protection of victims of rape, incest, and serious health risks that can be associated with pregnancy, as a civilized society women should be able to have the option and have it be medically safe and sound.

I have a question here... was the same thing said about GWB 8 years ago? He's pro-life, isn't he? I have yet to see any major talk of overturning Roe v Wade in the past 8 years. IMO it's an election-year topic that is used to garner fear in people. (Kinda like the war thing, I guess).

People want to know a candidates views on things to get an idea of what type of person they are. Had she not answered the question, she would've been labeled a 'dolt' or 'moron' (just for you, 7! ) and said she was too stupid to answer. Just because someone has feelings one way or another does NOT mean that they can force those feelings on the rest of the country, even if they are the vice-president. It is my opinion that no matter who is in the Oval Office, and no matter who makes up the Supreme Court, that Roe v Wade will NEVER be overturned. And it shouldn't be. However, I do feel that there are areas that can be much improved, and those things need to be looked at. Probably on a state level, though, IMO. In ALL cases, partial birth abortion should be BANNED. I also do not feel that the government should be paying for abortions.

On another note... I did watch McCain and Obama speak at the Alfred E. Smith dinner. It was hilarious! McCain was SPOT ON! If those performances were used to determine the presidency, it would be a slam dunk for Johnny! BO made some funny comments, too, but his timing wasn't the same, and he didn't have that self-deprecating humor that I find so great in people. The comments about Hillary and Bill were fabulous. She looked like she was having a ball with them, too. I wish we could see more of this kind of thing, and less of the bullshit. But hey, it's America, for better or worse.

[bluejeangirl76]

I have a question here... was the same thing said about GWB 8 years ago? He's pro-life, isn't he? I have yet to see any major talk of overturning Roe v Wade in the past 8 years. IMO it's an election-year topic that is used to garner fear in people. (Kinda like the war thing, I guess).

I believe it is too, but I'm not about to support anyone that even brings that up because I do think if they got even the most remote shot at doing something to overturn RvW, they would be all over it. I remember this clearly because when I heard it I was furious - Bush's first weekend in office - literally the first thing he did after the inauguration - he approved cuts in funding to womens' health clinics because so many offer that procedure. Meanwhile, clinics lose funds and women are denied other services in the process.

[BobbyinTN]

I bet all of this talk about "Polls" and "Annals" has BobbyinTN sprouting wood.

Nope, but thinking about you might do it.

All right, fucker. That made me laugh!!! Good one.

Nice that we can have a sense of humor with each other.

[skinsguy]

you do understand she was speaking for herself right? not me. not you... not joe the plumber. for HERSELF.

SHE would choose life. she was asked a question & she answered... the exact same way i would... i would choose life. does that mean i'm going to force that belief on others? no.

in fact... she even said she wouldn't force her beliefs on others. so if you believe what she says believe that... or better question why won't you believe that?

it's funny how people only believe what palin says when it suits them.

after all i've heard palin say, and i'll admit to shaking my head often, i believe she means what she says. her stance on abortion does not suit me, nor does her stance on many issues.

i too choose life and i am also pro choice. my personal beliefs are my own and are only applicable to my life. as for palin, i'm going on her and mccain's stance and on what they have said- if given the opportunity they will overturn roe v wade. granted this would not necessarily outlaw abortion across the board as it could become a state issue, but without federal protection that could get ugly and create the awful back alley type of situations.

the goal should be to educate thoroughly and stop the ridiculously irresponsible women that don't prevent an unwanted pregnancy before it happens. but in protection of victims of rape, incest, and serious health risks that can be associated with pregnancy, as a civilized society women should be able to have the option and have it be medically safe and sound.

I have a question here... was the same thing said about GWB 8 years ago? He's pro-life, isn't he? I have yet to see any major talk of overturning Roe v Wade in the past 8 years. IMO it's an election-year topic that is used to garner fear in people. (Kinda like the war thing, I guess).

People want to know a candidates views on things to get an idea of what type of person they are. Had she not answered the question, she would've been labeled a 'dolt' or 'moron' (just for you, 7! ) and said she was too stupid to answer. Just because someone has feelings one way or another does NOT mean that they can force those feelings on the rest of the country, even if they are the vice-president. It is my opinion that no matter who is in the Oval Office, and no matter who makes up the Supreme Court, that Roe v Wade will NEVER be overturned. And it shouldn't be. However, I do feel that there are areas that can be much improved, and those things need to be looked at. Probably on a state level, though, IMO. In ALL cases, partial birth abortion should be BANNED. I also do not feel that the government should be paying for abortions.

On another note... I did watch McCain and Obama speak at the Alfred E. Smith dinner. It was hilarious! McCain was SPOT ON! If those performances were used to determine the presidency, it would be a slam dunk for Johnny! BO made some funny comments, too, but his timing wasn't the same, and he didn't have that self-deprecating humor that I find so great in people. The comments about Hillary and Bill were fabulous. She looked like she was having a ball with them, too. I wish we could see more of this kind of thing, and less of the bullshit. But hey, it's America, for better or worse.

Well put Donna!

[Saint John]

Why odes that fucking moron Obama keep chirping "I don't know too many plumbers that make a quarter of a million dollars a year..." when the guy (Joe the plumber) clearly stated that the plumbing business he wanted to buy made that? And Obama's idiotic voters that turnout to see him speak just laugh along. Nice collective intelligence!!!

[strangegrey]

The thing about this country is that with the exception of Louisiana, which has its roots in the french legal system, the rest of the state courts in this country (and the federal court system) are based on the common law roots of England. Courts make decissions that become law. Courts are also hesitant to overturn decisions made itself or by higher courts that have authority over it.

Obviously, there are no courts higher than the supreme court....but the point I'm trying to make is that for Roe v Wade to be overturned...I feel there would have to be new legal facts and circumstances above and beyond roe v. wade (in addition to a supreme court with a majority makeup sympathetic to apro-life movement) before the surpreme court decides to take the case.

Even so, I feel even the conservative justices of the supreme court would have a hard time overturning roe v. wade, based on the above...and would only do so if they could extrapolate some new angle, legally (which would derive from a new fact/circumstance of medical or social significance).


I've said this already here...but this abortion issue is one that the right needs to give the fuck up and move on. It's a stupid position, in that it's not a fight that is going to be easily won...and it only limits the numbers of its party.

I can't think of another supreme court decission that is as widely bitched about...including the spreme court decission of bush v. gore 2000. Usually when the supreme court throws down the gavel, people move on, knowing it's no longer a debatable issue. Yet for some completely idiotic reason, the republican and conservative parties not only fight with liberals but amongst themselves over it. Dividing themselves and reducing numbers (as I believe there are people that might otherwise chose a more conservative political view, if it were not for the pro-life/choice fighting)....


As I've alrady said, I'm not sure there's more than a handful of women who have had abortions that have not struggled mightily with the decision and have regretted it in some small or large fashion later on in life. However, one needs to also view this from the other angle.s..without letting their views cloud their ability to be objective. Those angles have been clearly stated here...I dont need to go into them.

Also, one more point that I'm unsure has been stated....of the amount of abortions that happened last year, how many of those pregnancies, if carried to term would result in children that would have entered the overburdened entitlement system of this country. While I'm not suggesting that I know the percentages here, I suspect it's got to be a significant number...

[cookieduster]

Why odes that fucking moron Obama keep chirping "I don't know too many plumbers that make a quarter of a million dollars a year..." when the guy (Joe the plumber) clearly stated that the plumbing business he wanted to buy made that? And Obama's idiotic voters that turnout to see him speak just laugh along. Nice collective intelligence!!!

Plumbing companies do very well anyway, even if that dude was speaking of personal experience!
Obama has never worked anything but his mouth and gone to school, he's so outta touch it isn't even funny.
He wants to take YOUR money and make it HIS money.

[Rhiannon]

Obama has never worked anything but his mouth

[Saint John]

Obama is a well spoken street hustler schooled in Chicago's "machine" politics. He's a thug in a suit. He's been groomed by some very anti-american radicals and purported as "change." Between Rev. Wright's anti-american sermons that he condoned for 20+ years, BillAyers, the award his church gave to Louis Farrakhan, his scumbag father, whore mother, and child rapist Frank Marshall Davis, you think people would be able to figure out that Obama is garbage. I guess some people have to learn the hard way.

[Tito]

The thing about this country is that with the exception of Louisiana, which has its roots in the french legal system, the rest of the state courts in this country (and the federal court system) are based on the common law roots of England. Courts make decissions that become law. Courts are also hesitant to overturn decisions made itself or by higher courts that have authority over it.

Obviously, there are no courts higher than the supreme court....but the point I'm trying to make is that for Roe v Wade to be overturned...I feel there would have to be new legal facts and circumstances above and beyond roe v. wade (in addition to a supreme court with a majority makeup sympathetic to apro-life movement) before the surpreme court decides to take the case.

Even so, I feel even the conservative justices of the supreme court would have a hard time overturning roe v. wade, based on the above...and would only do so if they could extrapolate some new angle, legally (which would derive from a new fact/circumstance of medical or social significance).


I've said this already here...but this abortion issue is one that the right needs to give the fuck up and move on. It's a stupid position, in that it's not a fight that is going to be easily won...and it only limits the numbers of its party.

I can't think of another supreme court decission that is as widely bitched about...including the spreme court decission of bush v. gore 2000. Usually when the supreme court throws down the gavel, people move on, knowing it's no longer a debatable issue. Yet for some completely idiotic reason, the republican and conservative parties not only fight with liberals but amongst themselves over it. Dividing themselves and reducing numbers (as I believe there are people that might otherwise chose a more conservative political view, if it were not for the pro-life/choice fighting)....


As I've alrady said, I'm not sure there's more than a handful of women who have had abortions that have not struggled mightily with the decision and have regretted it in some small or large fashion later on in life. However, one needs to also view this from the other angle.s..without letting their views cloud their ability to be objective. Those angles have been clearly stated here...I dont need to go into them.

Also, one more point that I'm unsure has been stated....of the amount of abortions that happened last year, how many of those pregnancies, if carried to term would result in children that would have entered the overburdened entitlement system of this country. While I'm not suggesting that I know the percentages here, I suspect it's got to be a significant number...

Abortion is down the list for me. I agree with most of what you say above but not all. All I'm in favor for is the Supreme Court to throw it back to the states. Have each state make their own law regarding abortion. Most have sensible restrictions now. Some would ban it and others would keep it the same.

[Saint John]

ACORN according to a Lou Dobbs report:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iM708EjH0bs

[strangegrey]

Abortion is down the list for me. I agree with most of what you say above but not all. All I'm in favor for is the Supreme Court to throw it back to the states. Have each state make their own law regarding abortion. Most have sensible restrictions now. Some would ban it and others would keep it the same.

Im not quite sure what benefit the states having this issue is going to provide....it will just return the acts of people jumping state lines to get the procedure done...

[Tito]

Why odes that fucking moron Obama keep chirping "I don't know too many plumbers that make a quarter of a million dollars a year..." when the guy (Joe the plumber) clearly stated that the plumbing business he wanted to buy made that? And Obama's idiotic voters that turnout to see him speak just laugh along. Nice collective intelligence!!!

F-ck Keith Olbermann! I have never liked that dude even when he was on Sportscenter. He is the epitome of a condescending prick. Last night, he was ripping Joe The Plumber and divulged some of his personal information. What was the point of that. Ripping an an Average Joe (no pun intended) who had the opportunity to ask a Presidential candidate a question. He was ripping his credibility. Who cares? It doesn't matter the source, it was a question (even if it may have been hypothetical). The point is Obama's answer. Obama did not know the background of the guy, the point was the answer given, "redistributing the wealth." That's the issue not Joe The Plumber. Olbermann and other media elites who have started to take this guy on, know Obama screwed up the answer and it may become a potential gaffe that could hurt him. They can't change his answer but what they can or are trying to do is tear the (source of) question down which is totally irrelevant.

[Saint John]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYrUkvAc ... re=related

[Tito]

Abortion is down the list for me. I agree with most of what you say above but not all. All I'm in favor for is the Supreme Court to throw it back to the states. Have each state make their own law regarding abortion. Most have sensible restrictions now. Some would ban it and others would keep it the same.

Im not quite sure what benefit the states having this issue is going to provide....it will just return the acts of people jumping state lines to get the procedure done...

That is true and Illinois is a dumping ground with more liberal abortion laws. I know they were trying to change that a few years ago and I can't recall how that turned out.

The best bet is let select states have abortion, be pro-homo, and socialist so the parasites move there. Then let the rest of us have low tax, limited government, and conservative value states. We will win in a couple of generations as the libs would die off.

[strangegrey]

I dont think that solution has much merit...states that neighbor liberal hot beds of socialism end up getting fucked.
New Hampshire and Mass are a perfectly good example. There's tons of stories over the years of bad shit, schemes, and demographic changes that have happened as a result of liberal massholes taking advantage of tax-free benefits afforded to NH residents.

[Tito]

AP/YAHOO Poll of 873 Democrats; 650 Republicans shows OBAMA 44%, MCCAIN 42%...


Sorry Deano, now imagine if that poll was of 873 Dems and 873 Pubs. McCain in a landslide!

IF Obama loses it will be priceless to watch some of the media members cry on Election Night. I seriously expect at least one media member to cry or blow a gasket if he should lose. That twerp Bill Maher had it in the bag for Obama last night on Larry King. I will laugh my ass off to hear his response should Obama lose. In fairness, they could watch me cry as McCain is sworn in on Jan. 20 when I remember how much I hate him.

[Tito]

I dont think that solution has much merit...states that neighbor liberal hot beds of socialism end up getting fucked.
New Hampshire and Mass are a perfectly good example. There's tons of stories over the years of bad shit, schemes, and demographic changes that have happened as a result of liberal massholes taking advantage of tax-free benefits afforded to NH residents.

Well it's the best solution short of a reveloution since we ain't voting our way out of this mess. The only thing we could do under this scenario is make it so difficult to pass a tax increases for the future and require balanced budgets. That could help restrict the growth of government. Agreed all this is far fetch but there are no other good choices.

[Tito]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AYG4y5et5g

[Uno_up]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AYG4y5et5g

Moneygrip got owned!

[conversationpc]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AYG4y5et5g

Holy crap! That is hilarious!