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Postby whirlwind » Sun Oct 19, 2008 7:05 am

Lula wrote:
whirlwind wrote:http://www.theobamafile.com/ObamaAfrica.htm



RIGHT! :lol: :lol:


point? :?


That your sig can have many interpertations.
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Postby Lula » Sun Oct 19, 2008 7:31 am

as in life many things are interpreted differently. my sig is an interpretation of the many polls which indicate obama has hit that needed 270 electoral votes to become our next president 8)

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls ... cain/#data

i am not counting on anything. i hope everyone gets out and votes. we'll know on nov 4 or 5.... of course the rnc is already laying the groundwork for a stolen election.
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Postby peridactyl » Sun Oct 19, 2008 9:14 am

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Anyway, the only issue I see as legitimate is Wright, and it bothers me more every day. He listened to this guy for 20 years, and then suddenly disavows him? Not good.


I'm with you here, 7. I've said all along that Obama's affiliation with that nutbag Wright bothers me, A LOT! The guy is a fucking lunatic, and as far as I'm concerned, there is simply ZERO justification for counting someone like that as a "friend". The other stuff on Obama is just politics, as usual. You can bring up Ayers on the Obama side, and you can bring up McCain's old buddy G. Gordon Liddy on the other side. As far as I'm concerned, neither argument holds any water, at all. Obama did what all polticians do, in terms of his relationship with Jeremiah Nutbag...He publically cast aside that relationship, when he realized that it could be political suicide. You have to wonder about just how sincere the guy is. I personally don't believe that Reverend Nutbag is now someone who he never has contact with.


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Oh come ON.

It shocks you that there are Black preachers who on occasion don't feel sympathetic about American culture or history and might even preach from a place of anger in order to make a point about the hypocrisy of their experience in our culture???

And what does that mean about Obama, exactly?

He is half-white and half-black, and a very cosmopolitan and sophisticated man. He understands the reason for a wide range of emotions and has experienced a wide range of cultures. He doesn't judge or cut off people for disagreeing with him if the WHOLE person is more than the sum of some unappealling parts.

Listen to what Obama says and does and judge him as a POTENTIAL PRESIDENT and not as someone who has to prove he is a martyr to white sensibilities and fears.


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Postby Rick » Sun Oct 19, 2008 9:57 am

Fact Finder wrote:You guys shouldn't be worried about Obama hanging with Rev. Wright, it's this crew we need to watch.


Keep watching. :lol: I hope it helps.
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Postby Don » Sun Oct 19, 2008 10:04 am

Hopefully, this epidemic of mandingo phobia abates somewhat after the election.
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Postby 7 Wishes » Sun Oct 19, 2008 12:21 pm

Lie Finder...what is the point of your last four posts? They didn't say anything or prove anything. It's not even fodder for the cannon...it's just boring and irrelevant.
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Postby Lula » Sun Oct 19, 2008 12:51 pm

7 Wishes wrote:Lie Finder...what is the point of your last four posts? They didn't say anything or prove anything. It's not even fodder for the cannon...it's just boring and irrelevant.


lol, i was afraid it was me and i was missing the point. :lol:
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Postby RedWingFan » Sun Oct 19, 2008 2:00 pm

7 Wishes, I have to admit. I love this guy!!! :lol:
Anyone who thinks Palin is dumb, come defend this idiot!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bq-eeWow_WU
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Postby 7 Wishes » Sun Oct 19, 2008 2:07 pm

This one's pretty ripe:

When we kicked butt along with France, we kicked Hezbollah out of Lebanon, [Biden] said "Move NATO forces in there. Fill the vacuum, because if you don't know - if you don't, Hezbollah will control it."

Now what's happened? Hezbollah is a legitimate part of the government in the country immediately to the north of Israel.
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Postby The_Noble_Cause » Sun Oct 19, 2008 2:20 pm

RedWingFan wrote:7 Wishes, I have to admit. I love this guy!!! :lol:
Anyone who thinks Palin is dumb, come defend this idiot!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bq-eeWow_WU


For a true comparison, why don't you play Biden's response to Couric's Supreme Court question side-by-side with Shotgun Sarahs'?
I won't name which, but only one of them didn't sound like an outhouse yokel.
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Postby 7 Wishes » Sun Oct 19, 2008 2:31 pm

The_Noble_Cause wrote:For a true comparison, why don't you play Biden's response to Couric's Supreme Court question side-by-side with Shotgun Sarahs'?
I won't name which, but only one of them didn't sound like an outhouse yokel.


Her lack of intelligence is as superfluous as Krusty's third nipple.
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Postby treetopovskaya » Sun Oct 19, 2008 4:24 pm

obama (his advisers) are now claiming that mccain's comments on his tax plan... calling it welfare... had racial subliminal messages!

*rolls eyes*

what next folks? this is... OBAMA is... getting ridiculous!

who believes this bs???
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Postby The_Noble_Cause » Sun Oct 19, 2008 5:37 pm

treetopovskaya wrote:Who believes this bs???


The same strung-along dupes who think a token act of "suspending a campaign" and choosing Barney Fife in fuck me boots as VP are exercises in political maverickism.
PLEASE stop identifying yourself as a one-time Democrat.
No matter how many lifetimes ago, on whichever parallel earth, you are still an embarrasment to the rest of us.
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Postby conversationpc » Sun Oct 19, 2008 10:48 pm

The_Noble_Cause wrote:The same strung-along dupes who think a token act of "suspending a campaign" and choosing Barney Fife in fuck me boots as VP are exercises in political maverickism.


This is like George Bush trying to say that Albert Einstein is a doofus. :lol:

PLEASE stop identifying yourself as a one-time Democrat.
No matter how many lifetimes ago, on whichever parallel earth, you are still an embarrasment to the rest of us.


Someone who expresses relief at the death of Tim Russert and uses a special-needs child as a prop in their diatribe against another person has no business calling someone else an embarrassment.
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Postby Jana » Mon Oct 20, 2008 12:43 am

Colin Powell on Meet The Press really stated well thought out reasons for his endorsement of Senator Obama. I've always respected him.

The Houston Chronicle for the first time since LBJ has endorsed a Democrat for president, due to mainly McCain's poor judgment in his choice of Sarah Palin for his V.P among other numerous reasons stated in the article.

It's over for McCain, a great man, who I've always admired, and who ran on experience but has run the end of his campaign in a negative and angry tone that contradicts what he has stood for. A different choice for VP might have given him more of a chance.
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Postby The_Noble_Cause » Mon Oct 20, 2008 1:04 am

conversationpc wrote:Someone who expresses relief at the death of Tim Russert...


Beyond recognizing the tragedy of another human being going the way of all flesh, I have no obligation to sit shiva when a fat-faced propagandist bites the dust. Sorry.

conversationpc wrote:..and uses a special-needs child as a prop in their diatribe against another person has no business calling someone else an embarrassment.


Didn't do anything of the sort.
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Postby Lula » Mon Oct 20, 2008 1:09 am

welcome back jana!! well said. i have always liked colin powell; he could have had my support if he had run for president. i hope we see general powell back in the administration.
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Postby Jana » Mon Oct 20, 2008 1:12 am

Thanks, Lula. It would be nice to see him in the Obama administration in some capacity. I agree. :lol:
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Postby The_Noble_Cause » Mon Oct 20, 2008 1:25 am

Sean Hannity extends a big, wet neo-con welcome to Glenn Beck.
Glad to see all the McCarthyite swine being corraled in one pen.


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Postby Lula » Mon Oct 20, 2008 1:33 am

wow, colin powell has said a lot of poignant things, one stands out about the issue of religion and what it really means to be american. he is an intelligent man and i respect him for standing by his words, even when i disagree with what he said. he truly is a good man, i hope the right does not try and smear him for his endorsement of obama/biden.
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Postby Enigma869 » Mon Oct 20, 2008 1:34 am

Lula wrote:welcome back jana!! well said. i have always liked colin powell; he could have had my support if he had run for president. i hope we see general powell back in the administration.



I love Colin Powell. Why can't the Republicans get this guy to run???? This guy is soooooo bright, and so thoughtful. I've always admired the guy and have always believed him to be a man of GREAT integrity! I loved when he flat out told Tom Brokaw "Sarah Palin is not ready to be president, and that's the vice president's job"! I also liked the fact that he went after McCain, on his endless efforts to connect Obama to Ayers, and called it "demagoguery". This guy is truly a breath of fresh air. He doesn't come across as a politician, at all, which is why I think I've always liked the guy. Good on him for calling out his own party, and McCain's moronic choice! I'm going to the polls on November 4th, and writing in Powell's name. Do any Republicans think Powell would ever consider running for President? He was the absolute best person that W. ever associated himself with.


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Postby Lula » Mon Oct 20, 2008 1:35 am

The_Noble_Cause wrote:Sean Hannity extends a big, wet neo-con welcome to Glenn Beck.
Glad to see all the McCarthyite swine being corraled in one pen.


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Welcome to the Fox family. I can honestly tell you working with Roger [Ailes] has been one of the BEST things to ever happen to me in my life. You’re a perfect fit, a great addition to family. I look forward to seeing you.
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who's next, cheney?
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Postby strangegrey » Mon Oct 20, 2008 1:38 am

Lula wrote:who's next, cheney?


Depends on whether or not Fox news has pulled pork on the catering buffet
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Postby strangegrey » Mon Oct 20, 2008 1:41 am

Lula wrote:wow, colin powell has said a lot of poignant things, one stands out about the issue of religion and what it really means to be american. he is an intelligent man and i respect him for standing by his words, even when i disagree with what he said. he truly is a good man, i hope the right does not try and smear him for his endorsement of obama/biden.


Speaking strictly from a strategic pov...

If they do, they will be shooting themselves in the foot, because the only thing they will have as a target is Powell's *sometimes8' left-leaning view points. In all seriousness, from the perspective of the right, powell is no or more left-leaning than mccain. By taking aim at powell, they would be in effect, taking proxy shots at their own candidate.

I've seen dumber moves by the republicans this past year....but not many.
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Postby Lula » Mon Oct 20, 2008 1:48 am

i agree it would be a foolish move to target powell, but nothing seems to be out of bounds while we get to the close of this historic race.
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Postby strangegrey » Mon Oct 20, 2008 1:48 am

Enigma869 wrote:Do any Republicans think Powell would ever consider running for President?


John, in all seriousness....I think the republican party (for the good of itself) needs to shut down for a while and rethink it's positions on several key-issues and reinvent itself a good bit.

And to that end, rallying behind any old-gaurd republican people, irrespective of their position on the conservative barometer, is a big mistake. While Powell may very well be a respected, independent thinker in republo-land. The fact *still* remains that he's connected to *both* Bush's by cabinet positions, policy thinking, war-time planning...etc...

Is that really the person that should be leading the republican party out of the doldrums that the Hayseed idiot drove it into?

I dunno if that works for me....but hell, you asked the question! ;)
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Postby strangegrey » Mon Oct 20, 2008 1:49 am

Lula wrote:i agree it would be a foolish move to target powell, but nothing seems to be out of bounds while we get to the close of this historic race.


Of course not....I'm half expecting to see McCain start selling off peep-views of palin for votes online.
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Postby The_Noble_Cause » Mon Oct 20, 2008 1:50 am

Enigma869 wrote:He was the absolute best person that W. ever associated himself with.


Yeh, before Bush fired him.
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Postby Jana » Mon Oct 20, 2008 1:51 am

John, Colin Powell said in an interview last summer in 2007 with Larry King he was not interested in running for president. I think, if I remember right, he said he had been approached. His wife was with him in the interview, and she has suffered from severe depression in the past. If she has anything to do with it, he will never run from what I gathered. It was an interesting interview. I'm speaking from memory, but I don't think he has the stomach for politics as far as running for office.
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Postby Panther » Mon Oct 20, 2008 2:10 am

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It's great, John, that you live in an area that is more befitting to your chosen lifestyle. Texans simply choose a different way of viewing this topic. While I'm not a huge fan of the concealed carry laws here, nor of guns themselves - I'm glad that I live in a state that would allow my neighbor to step in should the need be, to save my family from unnecessary damage/theft of my person/property.



I'm not really sure what your point is. I simply made a point about a story that "20/20" did on a Texas repo man being assassinated, while performing his job. It was considered "legally justified", "according to Texas law" (those were the words used in the story...not my words). I never claimed Texas was a bad state. The reality is that I've never been to Texas, and don't have much of an opinion (aside from despising the Dallas Cowboys, and everyone associated with them) about the state. I simply said that if there is any allowance to allow the use of deadly force to defend property, I believe it's ridiculous, and I would say that if that were allowed in my own state! Also, I can assure you that Texas isn't the only state that would allow your "neighbor to step in should the need be" to save you and your family. Most states actually allow for firearms to be possessed, and used for all lawful purposes. That would include defending all human life, should "imminent fear" be present!


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My words{A "story on the news last year" doesn't always come in with a clear eye to the law as it is actually stated. Yes, we do have laws concerning protection of persons and property. No, the state does NOT have wording on record (nor recognized case law) that PROTECTS those using deadly force to prevent repossession. As with any law, there are caveats that allow for reasonable person testing (ie: if the actor reasonably believes....).}

Point: That case was an anomaly in this regard. At 3 am, in the dark of the night, you hear noises outside your home, you step to the window and see a person (persons) sneaking around the front area, your wife and child(ren) are in the home... you have no more than 60 seconds to make a decision. Thus the "reasonable person" litmus attached to such laws.

Your use of the word assassination (even if it was the chosen verbiage of the "reporter") was incorrect when using it to paint the entirety of the cases this law is intended to cover.

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