The 2008 US Presidential Election Thread

[Deb]

In each of the several plane trips I've taken over the past 2 years, I've been able to get so-called "restricted" items into the plane via my person or the carry on. Now, let me preface...I wasn't actively trying to do this. But things like sissors, bottles of water, etc...were never removed, checked or questioned...Yet my fucking wife went through the whole strip search process during one flight out of Myrtle Beach....and they made me nearly take apart the dvd player for my kids.

Well rest assured the Canada/US sure check. There is no way you are getting through with fluids, etc. A couple times I've bought bottled water when I got to the airport forgetting you can't bring it through only to chuck it and buy another one for the flight as soon as I get through customs/security. And heck, flying back after MRFest, security actually made me go through again because of mascara, never had a problem in any other flight before, but I guess that is considered a fluid/paste. Who knew? My friend was laughing her head off as I had to go through security again with my little tube of mascara in a baggy. What am I going to do......"lash" somebody to death?!

[finalfight]

Palin Breaks With McCain On Gay Marriage Ban -

http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/10/20 ... 1945.shtml

[Enigma869]

Palin Breaks With McCain On Gay Marriage Ban -

http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/10/20 ... 1945.shtml

It's not shocking that some of their ideology is so different. McCain told Letterman on Thursday night that he didn't really know Palin that well, before selecting her (which isn't the most intelligent thing to say, even if true, in my opinion). He said that he had only met her "a couple of times".


John from Boston

[strangegrey]

Well rest assured the Canada/US sure check. There is no way you are getting through with fluids, etc. A couple times I've bought bottled water when I got to the airport forgetting you can't bring it through only to chuck it and buy another one for the flight as soon as I get through customs/security. And heck, flying back after MRFest, security actually made me go through again because of mascara, never had a problem in any other flight before, but I guess that is considered a fluid/paste. Who knew? My friend was laughing her head off as I had to go through security again with my little tube of mascara in a baggy. What am I going to do......"lash" somebody to death?!

well, then I have an issue with this. I've never seen more lax TSA security than in NY's airports. What's wrong with this picture? My wife gets nearly strip searched in Myrtle Beach....yet I can sail through TSA security in NYC with a pair of sissors and 2 filled bottles of water. From my perspective, the TSA is a for-show agency with zero actual effictiveness.

[strangegrey]

Palin Breaks With McCain On Gay Marriage Ban -

http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/10/20 ... 1945.shtml

It's not shocking that some of their ideology is so different. McCain told Letterman on Thursday night that he didn't really know Palin that well, before selecting her (which isn't the most intelligent thing to say, even if true, in my opinion). He said that he had only met her "a couple of times".


John from Boston

I dunno what VP candidates go throug hwhen getting selected by a presidential candidate. However, if it were me, I would want to make sure I knew the person that was going to represent me on the campaign trail REAL FUCKING well.

Meeting a couple of times and admitting on TV that he didn't know the candidate that well before selecting her is just yet ANOTHER reason why I openly question McPain's judgment. What kind of idiot says this when running for president...????

[Don]

Palin Breaks With McCain On Gay Marriage Ban -

http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/10/20 ... 1945.shtml

It's not shocking that some of their ideology is so different. McCain told Letterman on Thursday night that he didn't really know Palin that well, before selecting her (which isn't the most intelligent thing to say, even if true, in my opinion). He said that he had only met her "a couple of times".


John from Boston

I dunno what VP candidates go throug hwhen getting selected by a presidential candidate. However, if it were me, I would want to make sure I knew the person that was going to represent me on the campaign trail REAL FUCKING well.

Meeting a couple of times and admitting on TV that he didn't know the candidate that well before selecting her is just yet ANOTHER reason why I openly question McPain's judgment. What kind of idiot says this when running for president...????

Maybe he met her in Rio during one of his trim hunts.

[RedWingFan]

i hope you're talking about the dems/libs "nothing seems to be out of bounds"... they have targeted more people than the right.

Which campaign was the first to renege their promise and swing sharply into negative campaigning again?

Although he hasn't said so. I think McCain's promise was directed towards Obama's "publicly funded" campaign, before HE RENEGED on that promise. That doesn't count though right?

[RedWingFan]

Drug addict Limbaugh has quickly turned on the man he always gave props to. Since Powell isn't willing to play Uncle Tom for McCain, he must be racist then.

Spoken like someone who doesn't know what he is talking about. Limbaugh has NEVER been a fan of Powell. Even when he was in the administration.

[Saint John]

Drug addict Limbaugh has quickly turned on the man he always gave props to. Since Powell isn't willing to play Uncle Tom for McCain, he must be racist then.

Spoken like someone who doesn't know what he is talking about. Limbaugh has NEVER been a fan of Powell. Even when he was in the administration.

I never liked that fucker either. He looks like someone threw bleach on James Earl Jones and lightened him up a bit.

[Don]

Drug addict Limbaugh has quickly turned on the man he always gave props to. Since Powell isn't willing to play Uncle Tom for McCain, he must be racist then.

Spoken like someone who doesn't know what he is talking about. Limbaugh has NEVER been a fan of Powell. Even when he was in the administration.

He never talked a lot of shit about Powell until later and has given him props on occasion in the early years.

[conversationpc]

Drug addict Limbaugh has quickly turned on the man he always gave props to. Since Powell isn't willing to play Uncle Tom for McCain, he must be racist then.

Spoken like someone who doesn't know what he is talking about. Limbaugh has NEVER been a fan of Powell. Even when he was in the administration.

I never liked that fucker either. He looks like someone threw bleach on James Earl Jones and lightened him up a bit.

I respect Powell but don't agree with him on some issues. You're right, though, he does look a lot like James Earl Jones. I'd never noticed that before.

[strangegrey]

Drug addict Limbaugh has quickly turned on the man he always gave props to. Since Powell isn't willing to play Uncle Tom for McCain, he must be racist then.

Spoken like someone who doesn't know what he is talking about. Limbaugh has NEVER been a fan of Powell. Even when he was in the administration.

Short memory......this time last year, Limbaugh was blasting McCain repeatedly. I resent the fact that John DisDain is getting support from so-called republicans, but this time one year ago...the party's most outspoken people blasted repeatedly against the idea of a McCain candidacy.

supporting a substandard candidate only allows more substandard candidates to be considered in the future. A sumary rejection of McCain during the primaries and needs be, during the convention...was needed to ensure future sustainability of this party.

In the end....Limbaugh and other radio bullhorns will be forced to accept responsibility for this mess.

[RedWingFan]

Drug addict Limbaugh has quickly turned on the man he always gave props to. Since Powell isn't willing to play Uncle Tom for McCain, he must be racist then.

Spoken like someone who doesn't know what he is talking about. Limbaugh has NEVER been a fan of Powell. Even when he was in the administration.

He never talked a lot of shit about Powell until later and has given him props on occasion in the early years.

Some positive some negative. Mostly negative towards the end. "...the man he always gave props to." Is completely false.
Maybe you'd like to argue against the point Limbaugh was making. "When has Colin Powell ever supported an inexperienced white liberal for president?" Uncle Tom?

[Rick]

Drug addict Limbaugh has quickly turned on the man he always gave props to. Since Powell isn't willing to play Uncle Tom for McCain, he must be racist then.

Spoken like someone who doesn't know what he is talking about. Limbaugh has NEVER been a fan of Powell. Even when he was in the administration.

I never liked that fucker either. He looks like someone threw bleach on James Earl Jones and lightened him up a bit.

I respect Powell but don't agree with him on some issues. You're right, though, he does look a lot like James Earl Jones. I'd never noticed that before.

I hadn't either, but he does. He just doesn't have the Jones voice. If SP is the voice of singing, JEJ is the voice of TV/Movies.

[conversationpc]

Interesting comment from a NY Times article...

Being human, journalists do have personal biases, and a long line of studies has shown that they tend to be more socially and politically liberal than the population at large. There is no reason to believe Times journalists are any different. But Tien-Tsung Lee, an associate professor of journalism at the University of Kansas, wrote in 2005 after reviewing the literature that “a link between reporters’ political beliefs and news coverage has never been convincingly established.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/19/opini ... nted=print

[RedWingFan]

Drug addict Limbaugh has quickly turned on the man he always gave props to. Since Powell isn't willing to play Uncle Tom for McCain, he must be racist then.

Spoken like someone who doesn't know what he is talking about. Limbaugh has NEVER been a fan of Powell. Even when he was in the administration.

Short memory......this time last year, Limbaugh was blasting McCain repeatedly. I resent the fact that John DisDain is getting support from so-called republicans, but this time one year ago...the party's most outspoken people blasted repeatedly against the idea of a McCain candidacy.

supporting a substandard candidate only allows more substandard candidates to be considered in the future. A sumary rejection of McCain during the primaries and needs be, during the convention...was needed to ensure future sustainability of this party.

In the end....Limbaugh and other radio bullhorns will be forced to accept responsibility for this mess.

I agree. I don't like McCain either. He was my last choice on the Republican side. Our choice is a liberal or a Marxist. Not much of a choice.

[Saint John]

Limbaugh, while a jackass at times, is completely right about Powell. He's voting for Obama because he's black. I dare anyone to tell me with a straight face that they honestly think Powell would have endorsed Obama if he were white.

[conversationpc]

Short memory......this time last year, Limbaugh was blasting McCain repeatedly. I resent the fact that John DisDain is getting support from so-called republicans, but this time one year ago...the party's most outspoken people blasted repeatedly against the idea of a McCain candidacy.

supporting a substandard candidate only allows more substandard candidates to be considered in the future. A sumary rejection of McCain during the primaries and needs be, during the convention...was needed to ensure future sustainability of this party.

In the end....Limbaugh and other radio bullhorns will be forced to accept responsibility for this mess.

I was one who was not in favor of McCain winning the nomination but I'm in a place now where I don't feel like I can NOT vote for him. I'm not thrilled about it but that's the way it is. I would dearly love to vote for a 3rd party candidate and I may yet. Anyway, I'm sure Limbaugh, and I don't listen to enough to know, is probably only supporting him because he feels like he is the only alternative at this point.

[Rick]

Limbaugh, while a jackass at times, is completely right about Powell. He's voting for Obama because he's black. I dare anyone to tell me with a straight face that they honestly think Powell would have endorsed Obama if he were white.

Dude, they're all jumping on the band wagon. They're going to take over the U.S. and all white people are going to be shipped to Siberia. Or haven't you heard?

[Don]

Drug addict Limbaugh has quickly turned on the man he always gave props to. Since Powell isn't willing to play Uncle Tom for McCain, he must be racist then.

Spoken like someone who doesn't know what he is talking about. Limbaugh has NEVER been a fan of Powell. Even when he was in the administration.

He never talked a lot of shit about Powell until later and has given him props on occasion in the early years.

Some positive some negative. Mostly negative towards the end. "...the man he always gave props to." Is completely false.
Maybe you'd like to argue against the point Limbaugh was making. "When has Colin Powell ever supported an inexperienced white liberal for president?" Uncle Tom?

The only reason he is supporting Obama is because he, like myself and others don't wish to see Palin as vice president. If it happens, so be it, but I believe you will see a lot of Conservative votes swing to Barack based soley on this selection by McCain.

[bluejeangirl76]

The only reason he is supporting Obama is because he, like myself and others don't wish to see Palin as vice president. If it happens, so be it, but I believe you will see a lot of Conservative votes swing to Barack based soley on this selection by McCain.

I believe you're right. I was undecided before the VP noms, and I nearly considered thinking about McCain but not after he chose her. I don't like Obama either so I still don't know what I plan to do.

[Enigma869]

The only reason he is supporting Obama is because he, like myself and others don't wish to see Palin as vice president.

Ding, Ding, Ding! We have a winner!


John from Boston

[Jana]

Gunbot, you hit the nail on the head. The defining reason for Colin Powell in backing Obama was the Sarah Palin pick. I never could get past that decision. To me, it was poor judgment. Romney was the ideal choice, with his economic experience. Powell laid out other well-thought-out reasons also, which had a lot of validity. McCain/Palin's negative tone towards the end of this campaign has done him a great disservice.

[Enigma869]

I don't like Obama either so I still don't know what I plan to do.

You could always start your turkey shopping a few weeks early


John from Boston

[Voyager]

You know, I'm beginning to think that an Obama Presidency will not be much, if any, worse than the Bush Presidency has been. With each successive month recently, I've grown just as fed up with the Bush Administration as most of you other folks have been.

Good for you. Join the masses.

[RedWingFan]

Drug addict Limbaugh has quickly turned on the man he always gave props to. Since Powell isn't willing to play Uncle Tom for McCain, he must be racist then.

Spoken like someone who doesn't know what he is talking about. Limbaugh has NEVER been a fan of Powell. Even when he was in the administration.

He never talked a lot of shit about Powell until later and has given him props on occasion in the early years.

Some positive some negative. Mostly negative towards the end. "...the man he always gave props to." Is completely false.
Maybe you'd like to argue against the point Limbaugh was making. "When has Colin Powell ever supported an inexperienced white liberal for president?" Uncle Tom?

The only reason he is supporting Obama is because he, like myself and others don't wish to see Palin as vice president.

That doesn't hold water seeing that Palin has executive experience and Obama doesn't. I think Palin's the wrong color.

[strangegrey]

Romney doesn't shore up the base. In fact, he does very little to spread McCain's reach, as the two are similar enough to confuse some people.

Had McCain picked Lieberman, his national poll numbers would have gone down, not up. He would have grabbed a little more of the middle...but Obama's far left would have mobilized like no one's fucking business. You don't pick a candidate that energizes your oposition. Not only that, but a pick for Lieberman would have caused McCain's far right to abandon him. Thems the truth.

I think McCain was fucked no matter who he picked.

So he decided to do the one thing he should have been doing for fucking years, which is to get his base support.

The whacky thing about this, is that a good candidate dosn't *need* to appeal to the base...because he/she has it already. Do any of you think Hillary or Obama, past the primary season, would have needed to try to garner support with liberals? Thats laughable.

Which goes back to my original statement that if you need to shore up the base to get through the convention, you've got BIGGER problems than picking a VP candidate. That's the sad truth.

McCain is a fraud, a liar and true conservatives know this. The only way McCain was able to hoodwink people in this category was to pick someone like Palin. What he didn't realize was that he was picking someone that had significant liabilities in the cranium.

Had Palin truly been a pitbull with lipstick...and had the goods behind the eyeballs to deliver in national interviews, he wouldn't be in this position....


Instead, people are rightfully questioning the judgment of a man that would pick such a stupid woman to run with him. That's the core issue...not whether or not she's a heartbeat from the oval office (even though that's important). The big issue is whether or not the kind of man that picks a woman like this, for the role of VP, deserves to be entrusted with our country's future....

[Jana]

Great post, Strangegrey. I see your point about Romney in regards to strategy. But I personally still liked him for VP.

[Don]

Drug addict Limbaugh has quickly turned on the man he always gave props to. Since Powell isn't willing to play Uncle Tom for McCain, he must be racist then.

Spoken like someone who doesn't know what he is talking about. Limbaugh has NEVER been a fan of Powell. Even when he was in the administration.

He never talked a lot of shit about Powell until later and has given him props on occasion in the early years.

Some positive some negative. Mostly negative towards the end. "...the man he always gave props to." Is completely false.
Maybe you'd like to argue against the point Limbaugh was making. "When has Colin Powell ever supported an inexperienced white liberal for president?" Uncle Tom?

The only reason he is supporting Obama is because he, like myself and others don't wish to see Palin as vice president.

That doesn't hold water seeing that Palin has executive experience and Obama doesn't. I think Palin's the wrong color.

Could be. On the flipside, blacks only make 13 percent of the population, so If they all vote for Obama, That still leaves a lot of voters who won't be voting for him just because he's black. You may have 5 or 10% of the Whites doing it just to fluff their liberal feathers, but the majority of yes-votes for Obama are going to be seen mainly as no-votes against McCain.

[RedWingFan]

Drug addict Limbaugh has quickly turned on the man he always gave props to. Since Powell isn't willing to play Uncle Tom for McCain, he must be racist then.

Spoken like someone who doesn't know what he is talking about. Limbaugh has NEVER been a fan of Powell. Even when he was in the administration.

He never talked a lot of shit about Powell until later and has given him props on occasion in the early years.

Some positive some negative. Mostly negative towards the end. "...the man he always gave props to." Is completely false.
Maybe you'd like to argue against the point Limbaugh was making. "When has Colin Powell ever supported an inexperienced white liberal for president?" Uncle Tom?

The only reason he is supporting Obama is because he, like myself and others don't wish to see Palin as vice president.

That doesn't hold water seeing that Palin has executive experience and Obama doesn't. I think Palin's the wrong color.

Could be. On the flipside, blacks only make 13 percent of the population, so If they all vote for Obama, That still leaves a lot of voters who won't be voting for him just because he's black. You may have 5 or 10% of the Whites doing it just to fluff their liberal feathers, but the majority of yes-votes for Obama are going to be seen mainly as no-votes against McCain.

I wasn't talking about all blacks. I said, "I think Palin's the wrong color. (for Powell)"