The 2008 US Presidential Election Thread

[Jana]

No, RWF, I meant the SECOND one, when he was furious after Wright's weekend, first at NAACP and then two more events He essentially threw Obama under the bus. He appeared crazy the third day at the press conference. He was enjoying the spotlight and was taking Obama down with him. I don't think he was happy with how Obama had distanced himself since the first of the year from him. Obama gave a press conference after that and he was pissed off and disavowed him.

[Don]

But I was for Hillary until the bitter end.

I was too. And now I have a "Team Hillary" shirt that I can only use as jammies.

Good thing I'm married, or you'd have one hell of a combative relationship on your hands.

No you wouldn't. I don't rip into people for political preferences that don't agree with my own (and if they rip into me I say fuck off and ignore the argument) and I only wear jammies to bed if I'm there alone.

CanI sleep over at your place?

[RedWingFan]

Obama gave a press conference after that and he was pissed off and disavowed him.

Does it matter that it was because it became a political necessity? Didn't think so.

[RossValoryRocks]

No, RWF, I meant the SECOND one, when he was furious after Wright's weekend, first at NAACP and then two more events He essentially threw Obama under the bus. He appeared crazy the third day at the press conference. He was enjoying the spotlight and was taking Obama down with him. I don't think he was happy with how Obama had distanced himself since the first of the year from him. Obama gave a press conference after that and he was pissed off and disavowed him.

Yeah because after 20 years of sitting in Wright's church Obama didn't know what the man was really like.

Obama distanced himself because it was POLITICALLY expedient for him to do so.

Had those sermon's of Wright's not come out, Obama would happily be clapping along in those pews still.

[Jana]

Ahh, BlueJeanGirl, you were for Hillary? Smart Girl. She's here in Orlando with Obama today. My sister and I really wanted to go, but people were lining up by six this morning for tonight. I couldn't deal with it.

Her speech was so great at the Democratic convention and so was her campaign suspension speech. It broke my heart. She would have been a great president. And I don't care who bashes me on here, but I think Bill Clinton was one of the great political minds of our time. So I wouldn't mind him living back in the White House with Hillary

[RossValoryRocks]

Ahh, BlueJeanGirl, you were for Hillary? Smart Girl. She's here in Orlando with Obama today. My sister and I really wanted to go, but people were lining up by six this morning for tonight. I couldn't deal with it.

Her speech was so great at the Democratic convention and so was her campaign suspension speech. It broke my heart. She would have been a great president. And I don't care who bashes me on here, but I think Bill Clinton was one of the great political minds of our time. So I wouldn't mind him living back in the Whitehouse with Hillary

Bill Clinton is one of the BEST politician's EVER. But he is still a politician. We are in an era where we need STATESMEN. And we are sadly lacking in that area.

[Tito]

But I was for Hillary until the bitter end.

I was too. And now I have a "Team Hillary" shirt that I can only use as jammies.

You two should have your heads examined. Hillary sucks too.

[RedWingFan]

But I was for Hillary until the bitter end.

I was too. And now I have a "Team Hillary" shirt that I can only use as jammies.

You two should have your heads examined. Hillary sucks too.

Well, if President Clinton's legacy tought us one thing it's that she doesn't do it often enough.

[Tito]

If anyone here actually believes Washington D.C. and the politicians there (for the most part) really want to help us, I suggest seeking psychological help, preferably with strong meds involved.

Thank You! Quote of the year and my philosophy.

[Don]

No, RWF, I meant the SECOND one, when he was furious after Wright's weekend, first at NAACP and then two more events He essentially threw Obama under the bus. He appeared crazy the third day at the press conference. He was enjoying the spotlight and was taking Obama down with him. I don't think he was happy with how Obama had distanced himself since the first of the year from him. Obama gave a press conference after that and he was pissed off and disavowed him.

Yeah because after 20 years of sitting in Wright's church Obama didn't know what the man was really like.

Obama distanced himself because it was POLITICALLY expedient for him to do so.

Had those sermon's of Wright's not come out, Obama would happily be clapping along in those pews still.

Couldn't we say the same in regard's to the Palin's affiliation with the Alaskan Independence Party. Even if Palin was not a member her husband was and she participated in many of their events.

[Tito]

No, RWF, I meant the SECOND one, when he was furious after Wright's weekend, first at NAACP and then two more events He essentially threw Obama under the bus. He appeared crazy the third day at the press conference. He was enjoying the spotlight and was taking Obama down with him. I don't think he was happy with how Obama had distanced himself since the first of the year from him. Obama gave a press conference after that and he was pissed off and disavowed him.

Yeah because after 20 years of sitting in Wright's church Obama didn't know what the man was really like.

Obama distanced himself because it was POLITICALLY expedient for him to do so.

Had those sermon's of Wright's not come out, Obama would happily be clapping along in those pews still.

Couldn't we say the same in regard's to the Palin's affiliation with A.P.I. Even if Palin was not a member her husband was and she participated in many of their events.

No we can't.

[Jana]

"You two should have your heads examined. Hillary sucks too."

Tito, this coming from a guy that thinks Jonathan Cain has a great voice.

[Tito]

"You two should have your heads examined. Hillary sucks too."

Tito, this coming from a guy that thinks Jonathan Cain has a great voice.

Good voice. But great at times on Windy City Breakdown.

[RossValoryRocks]

No, RWF, I meant the SECOND one, when he was furious after Wright's weekend, first at NAACP and then two more events He essentially threw Obama under the bus. He appeared crazy the third day at the press conference. He was enjoying the spotlight and was taking Obama down with him. I don't think he was happy with how Obama had distanced himself since the first of the year from him. Obama gave a press conference after that and he was pissed off and disavowed him.

Yeah because after 20 years of sitting in Wright's church Obama didn't know what the man was really like.

Obama distanced himself because it was POLITICALLY expedient for him to do so.

Had those sermon's of Wright's not come out, Obama would happily be clapping along in those pews still.

Couldn't we say the same in regard's to the Palin's affiliation with A.P.I. Even if Palin was not a member her husband was and she participated in many of their events.

Sure ya could. It wouldn't be true but you could say that, and the affilition was 20 years ago, and it was when they were in their early-mid twenties, and she didn't do a whole lot other than go to some meetings. Obama was married by the man, considered him a close friend, sat in the church almost every Sunday for that 20 years and said he never heard him saying anything like that. Bit of a difference between the two, though in your world of equality it probably is the same.

But I digress, see my long winded post above about where I am now in regards to this election specifically and politics in general.

And it's exactly this tit-for-tat mentality that we have all been showing for 160+ pages that is part of it.

Niether McCain nor Obama, nor Biden nor Palin, has our best interests at heart, ours come secondarily.

[Tito]

And Wright was supposed to say the prayer (publicly) at Obama's announcement that he was running for Prez back in February 2007. I think they still did the prayer but private. F-ck'em all.

[Don]

No, RWF, I meant the SECOND one, when he was furious after Wright's weekend, first at NAACP and then two more events He essentially threw Obama under the bus. He appeared crazy the third day at the press conference. He was enjoying the spotlight and was taking Obama down with him. I don't think he was happy with how Obama had distanced himself since the first of the year from him. Obama gave a press conference after that and he was pissed off and disavowed him.

Yeah because after 20 years of sitting in Wright's church Obama didn't know what the man was really like.

Obama distanced himself because it was POLITICALLY expedient for him to do so.

Had those sermon's of Wright's not come out, Obama would happily be clapping along in those pews still.

Couldn't we say the same in regard's to the Palin's affiliation with A.P.I. Even if Palin was not a member her husband was and she participated in many of their events.

Sure ya could. It wouldn't be true but you could say that, and the affilition was 20 years ago, and it was when they were in their early-mid twenties, and she didn't do a whole lot other than go to some meetings. Obama was married by the man, considered him a close friend, sat in the church almost every Sunday for that 20 years and said he never heard him saying anything like that. Bit of a difference between the two, though in your world of equality it probably is the same.

But I digress, see my long winded post above about where I am now in regards to this election specifically and politics in general.

And it's exactly this tit-for-tat mentality that we have all been showing for 160+ pages that is part of it.

Niether McCain nor Obama, nor Biden nor Palin, has our best interests at heart, ours come secondarily.

Come on now, we've known this since Reagan left office. But I've voted the last 20 years and I'm sure all of you have to, regardless. If you don't like either Obama or McCain, why vote for an independent. Just go fishing that day or stay at work. Casting a vote out of spite, seems strange coming from a serviceman.

[Jana]

RVR, I'm cynical too. There's always a lot of promises from both sides. But this election is very important in the fact that the Bush presidency has done more damage than I believed possible. So the next choice is critical. Even then, it will take years to dig us out of the hole we're in. In my opinion, either one I could have lived with, as either one would be better than Bush -- until McCain picked Sarah Palin. That changed everything for me. I know, you think I'm dramatic. But the thought of her as President, if McCain dies, terrifies me. And, apparently, quite a few people on here agree with me.

[RossValoryRocks]

No, RWF, I meant the SECOND one, when he was furious after Wright's weekend, first at NAACP and then two more events He essentially threw Obama under the bus. He appeared crazy the third day at the press conference. He was enjoying the spotlight and was taking Obama down with him. I don't think he was happy with how Obama had distanced himself since the first of the year from him. Obama gave a press conference after that and he was pissed off and disavowed him.

Yeah because after 20 years of sitting in Wright's church Obama didn't know what the man was really like.

Obama distanced himself because it was POLITICALLY expedient for him to do so.

Had those sermon's of Wright's not come out, Obama would happily be clapping along in those pews still.

Couldn't we say the same in regard's to the Palin's affiliation with A.P.I. Even if Palin was not a member her husband was and she participated in many of their events.

Sure ya could. It wouldn't be true but you could say that, and the affilition was 20 years ago, and it was when they were in their early-mid twenties, and she didn't do a whole lot other than go to some meetings. Obama was married by the man, considered him a close friend, sat in the church almost every Sunday for that 20 years and said he never heard him saying anything like that. Bit of a difference between the two, though in your world of equality it probably is the same.

But I digress, see my long winded post above about where I am now in regards to this election specifically and politics in general.

And it's exactly this tit-for-tat mentality that we have all been showing for 160+ pages that is part of it.

Niether McCain nor Obama, nor Biden nor Palin, has our best interests at heart, ours come secondarily.

Come on now, we've known this since Reagan left office. But I've voted the last 20 years and I'm sure all of you have to, regardless. If you don't like either Obama or McCain, why vote for an independent. Just go fishing that day or stay at work. Casting a vote out of spite, seems strange coming from a serviceman.

#1. Voting isn't just a right, it is a responsibility.
#2. Maybe if enough people voted for 3rd party candidates the established parties would stand up and take notice and finally start listening to the people. The proved they don't when they passed the bail out. A HUGE majority of people didn't and don't want it, me included.
#3. I will probably actually vote for whomever isn't the encumbent. So I will be pulling Dem, Rep and Ind. levers. And for President I will probably vote for Bob Barr I will probably vote for Bob Barr.
#4 It isn't out of spite, it is out a complete disgust with what our government has become.

[Rick]

RVR, I'm cynical too. There's always a lot of promises from both sides. But this election is very important in the fact that the Bush presidency has done more damage than I believed possible. So the next choice is critical. Even then, it will take years to dig us out of the hole we're in. In my opinion, either one I could have lived with, as either one would be better than Bush -- until McCain picked Sarah Palin. That changed everything for me. I know, you think I'm dramatic. But the thought of her as President, if McCain dies, terrifies me. And, apparently, quite a few people on here agree with me.

I agree. I like McCain also, he's hard not to like, and I think he would make a good leader, but his VP choice cinched it for me.

[Tito]

No, RWF, I meant the SECOND one, when he was furious after Wright's weekend, first at NAACP and then two more events He essentially threw Obama under the bus. He appeared crazy the third day at the press conference. He was enjoying the spotlight and was taking Obama down with him. I don't think he was happy with how Obama had distanced himself since the first of the year from him. Obama gave a press conference after that and he was pissed off and disavowed him.

Yeah because after 20 years of sitting in Wright's church Obama didn't know what the man was really like.

Obama distanced himself because it was POLITICALLY expedient for him to do so.

Had those sermon's of Wright's not come out, Obama would happily be clapping along in those pews still.

Couldn't we say the same in regard's to the Palin's affiliation with A.P.I. Even if Palin was not a member her husband was and she participated in many of their events.

Sure ya could. It wouldn't be true but you could say that, and the affilition was 20 years ago, and it was when they were in their early-mid twenties, and she didn't do a whole lot other than go to some meetings. Obama was married by the man, considered him a close friend, sat in the church almost every Sunday for that 20 years and said he never heard him saying anything like that. Bit of a difference between the two, though in your world of equality it probably is the same.

But I digress, see my long winded post above about where I am now in regards to this election specifically and politics in general.

And it's exactly this tit-for-tat mentality that we have all been showing for 160+ pages that is part of it.

Niether McCain nor Obama, nor Biden nor Palin, has our best interests at heart, ours come secondarily.

Come on now, we've known this since Reagan left office. But I've voted the last 20 years and I'm sure all of you have to, regardless. If you don't like either Obama or McCain, why vote for an independent. Just go fishing that day or stay at work. Casting a vote out of spite, seems strange coming from a serviceman.

I have! Ross Perot '96 (When he had zero chance), the man who would've been the greatest President ever, Pat Buchanan 2000, and the Libertarian or Constitution Party (can't remember ) in '04. I know the Libertarian was the only one on the ballot but I may have written in the Constitution Party candidate. Also in '96, I voted for Pat Buchanan in the primary, and Alan Keyes (shhhh) in 2000, and wrote in Tom Tancredo in 2004.

My guys never win.

[RossValoryRocks]

RVR, I'm cynical too. There's always a lot of promises from both sides. But this election is very important in the fact that the Bush presidency has done more damage than I believed possible. So the next choice is critical. Even then, it will take years to dig us out of the hole we're in. In my opinion, either one I could have lived with, as either one would be better than Bush -- until McCain picked Sarah Palin. That changed everything for me. I know, you think I'm dramatic. But the thought of her as President, if McCain dies, terrifies me. And, apparently, quite a few people on here agree with me.

I am beyond cynical. I am digusted! It makes me ill to think of the kinds of people we have running this country. We have Demopublicans, and Republicrats. There are only miniscule differences between them anymore.

It's like that Movie, Moon Over Parador where the people can vote for the Blue or the Red despot (played by Richard Dreyfuss). Sure it LOOKS like our votes count. But what it really means is that one side gets richer the next 1 or 2 election cycles.

I am probably a bit older than you, so you eventually will get to disgusted too.

Enjoy cynical while it lasts!

[Rick]

RVR, I'm cynical too. There's always a lot of promises from both sides. But this election is very important in the fact that the Bush presidency has done more damage than I believed possible. So the next choice is critical. Even then, it will take years to dig us out of the hole we're in. In my opinion, either one I could have lived with, as either one would be better than Bush -- until McCain picked Sarah Palin. That changed everything for me. I know, you think I'm dramatic. But the thought of her as President, if McCain dies, terrifies me. And, apparently, quite a few people on here agree with me.

I am beyond cynical. I am digusted! It makes me ill to think of the kinds of people we have running this country. We have Demopublicans, and Republicrats. There are only miniscule differences between them anymore.

It's like that Movie, Moon Over Parador where the people can vote for the Blue or the Red despot (played by Richard Dreyfuss). Sure it LOOKS like our votes count. But what it really means is that one side gets richer the next 1 or 2 election cycles.

I am probably a bit older than you, so you eventually will get to disgusted too.

Enjoy cynical while it lasts!

I love that movie.

[Tito]

RVR, I'm cynical too. There's always a lot of promises from both sides. But this election is very important in the fact that the Bush presidency has done more damage than I believed possible. So the next choice is critical. Even then, it will take years to dig us out of the hole we're in. In my opinion, either one I could have lived with, as either one would be better than Bush -- until McCain picked Sarah Palin. That changed everything for me. I know, you think I'm dramatic. But the thought of her as President, if McCain dies, terrifies me. And, apparently, quite a few people on here agree with me.

I am beyond cynical. I am digusted! It makes me ill to think of the kinds of people we have running this country. We have Demopublicans, and Republicrats. There are only miniscule differences between them anymore.

It's like that Movie, Moon Over Parador where the people can vote for the Blue or the Red despot (played by Richard Dreyfuss). Sure it LOOKS like our votes count. But what it really means is that one side gets richer the next 1 or 2 election cycles.

I am probably a bit older than you, so you eventually will get to disgusted too.

Enjoy cynical while it lasts!

We should arm ourselves and start a reveloution. The Melodic Rock Army. Maybe change the name because it sounds "soft" (I cleaned it up for you BJG ). This could be an international movement.

[Enigma869]

I only wear jammies to bed

What a novel concept! I better stop wearing mine to work


John from Boston

[RedWingFan]

I agree. I like McCain also, he's hard not to like, and I think he would make a good leader, but his VP choice cinched it for me.

This didn't cinch anything for you?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bq-eeWow_WU

[Enigma869]

I have officially crossed into the "None of the Above" arena...I am going to go pull the lever for EVERY independent and 3rd party candidate I can.

McCain being elected would mean nothing, since it will be a huge majority for the Democrats in Congress.

Obama is going to ruin our economy with one swipe of his pen, hell at least it took Bush 8 years to fuck our economy...and really he had 2 years of help from Clinton laying the ground word before.

If anyone here actually believes Washington D.C. and the politicians there (for the most part) really want to help us, I suggest seeking psychological help, preferably with strong meds involved. I guess that means a psychiatrist.

We are royally fucked no matter what.

Until the people of this country stop looking to Washington to solve all their problems and actually THINK about the politics behind the rhetoric we all need to take bend over and lube up classes.

All the fucking politicians (for the most part) care about it getting to DC and making themselves rich at our expense. And we keep electing them...Biden, McCain, Kennedy, Reid, Pelosi, Dodd, Specter, anyone who has been in DC longer than it takes to tour the monuments and the Smithsonian are all unfit to govern this country; they ALL need to go!

It's time WE take our country back and actually run it FOR the people and BY the people, not the politically elite.

Brilliant fucking post, dude! I'm with you 1000%! These politicians are all fucking clowns. They all give the same speeches they've been giving for years. I watched a political news program over the weekend that showed EVERY president, since Nixon talking about gaining energy independence from foreign countries. Nixon said we would be completely independent from foreign energy sources by 1980. Gerald Ford said it would happen by 1985. Now McCain says it will happen by 2025. It was actually hilarious to watch all of this on video. Same freakin' speech, by the same freakin' dopes! Unfortunately, the American people are mostly brain dead, and believe all of these lying fucks!


John from Boston

[Rick]

[Don]

RVR, I'm cynical too. There's always a lot of promises from both sides. But this election is very important in the fact that the Bush presidency has done more damage than I believed possible. So the next choice is critical. Even then, it will take years to dig us out of the hole we're in. In my opinion, either one I could have lived with, as either one would be better than Bush -- until McCain picked Sarah Palin. That changed everything for me. I know, you think I'm dramatic. But the thought of her as President, if McCain dies, terrifies me. And, apparently, quite a few people on here agree with me.

I am beyond cynical. I am digusted! It makes me ill to think of the kinds of people we have running this country. We have Demopublicans, and Republicrats. There are only miniscule differences between them anymore.

It's like that Movie, Moon Over Parador where the people can vote for the Blue or the Red despot (played by Richard Dreyfuss). Sure it LOOKS like our votes count. But what it really means is that one side gets richer the next 1 or 2 election cycles.

I am probably a bit older than you, so you eventually will get to disgusted too.

Enjoy cynical while it lasts!

RVR,
I'm not being snide in this question but have you ever though of running for some type of office. You're obviously passionate about your beliefs, you seem to be financially competent, has it ever crossed your mind as a serious thought?

[Saint John]

RVR-Tito in 2012.

[Don]

RVR-Tito in 2012.

Great, well at least he has something in common with Palin, they both pee sitting down.